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They have GPS receivers that work through the bottom cradle connection for IPAQs they also have other devieces like keyboards that work like this.
Would it be possible to develop a 80211 dongle that could click into the
cradle port? is anyone working on this? is there anyone that would have
enough knowledge to beging working on this i could contact. I would love to get 802.11 for this baby.
Dan said:
Would it be possible to develop a 80211 dongle that could click into the cradle port? is anyone working on this? is there anyone that would have enough knowledge to beging working on this i could contact. I would love to get 802.11 for this baby.
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No, sorry. The XDA connector on the bottom supports USB and serial. However, the USB will only do 'Slave Mode', i.e. act as a USB device towards a computer. There are USB 802.11 devices, but they work as devices as well, and thus need a 'Master' to talk to. And there's no serial 802.11b transceivers out that we know of.
You could conceiveably build a USB device that plays the master role and feeds the IP through just like ActiveSync does, but nobody has done that yet. For the manufacturers this shouldn't be that hard, given the amount of spare processing power on these 802.11 tranceivers. (And while we're at it, we might as well incorporate a GPS connected to the serial port...)
hmm
so this won't be something that a little hacking group such as XDA developers would be capable of?
Hi
In a short time a wireless lan card will be available which you can plug into you SD Slot. See http://www.sychip.com/wlan-module.html
See ya
Mick
Helllo.
I don´t think, that the wireless lan card will work in the XDA. In the technical PDF there is a picture that shows a SDIO-Interface.
XDA still do NOT have a SDIO-Interface.
Regards
Stefan
hold on, why do u need a wireless lan card? I thought the xda was a wireless device, surely it ought to have wireless connectivity built into it? If you had a corporate wireless network, cant it just be configured to connect?
Of course it has wireless support, using GSM and/or GPRS and infrared. But WLAN support is something entirely different, and that is definitely not included.
Shouldn't be too hard to design a WLAN adapter acting as an USB master though. With the pass-through functionality built into the activesync software it has definitely been shown that the USB connection can be used for network access.
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Shouldn't be too hard to design a WLAN adapter acting as an USB master though. With the pass-through functionality built into the activesync software it has definitely been shown that the USB connection can be used for network access.
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Yo bamse,
Ever want to be very, very popular ? You would make hero of the month on our charts, that's for sure...
What about these guys:
http://www.datahunter.com
I know it's RS232 and not USB, but apart from that the Liberator should do the trick almost straight away, and they also advertise a module that could be built into a sleaker package:
OEM 802.11 WLAN Mini-Modules
OEM and ODM manufacturers can incorporate FCC ?Modular? pre-certified 802.11b mini-modules into their products. The Data Hunter 802.11 mini-modules have the Operating System Wireless LAN software drivers built-in. Interface options are the ones Engineers need, including high-speed async logic-level or RS232, SPI processor interface, USB and full Ethernet TCP/IP. No additional FCC certification required for the modular 802.11 data radios. Start shipping integrated WLAN immediately. Includes single antenna for bulkhead mount or dual diversity antennas
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What about these guys [...]
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I could be wrong, but from their site I get the strong impression none of it is done, and they'll start work on it the minute someone orders a few thousand.
Also: they base everything on the Compact Flash 802.11 cards with some extra hardware, which is unlikely to pretend it's a PC running ActiveSync straight out of the box, so some extra work is in order.
What we need is a CF 802.11 card that comes with an SDK for adding your own code. No need for extra parts and power consumption: the card should have enough spare cycles to pretend it's ActiveSync on Windows plus the USB. (Or serial at 115.200 if that's somehow easier). Then all we need after the two manmonths of coding is a nice plastic stick-one case and we're done...
Ok, how about this then:
http://www.tuanistechnology.com/products/avaya/converter/
Or this:
http://www.autodnc.de/ctwlani.htm
You'll find a whole bunch of them out there, all serial and 115200bps, but none of the companies seem to have identified the PDA-owners a market for their produkts.
I'd say most of these products use way to much power for PDA use.
Really, let's not build stuff that's already on the PC or CF card to begin with.
Anyone found a way to access 802.11b yet? I see that Linksys has the WCF12 (The Wireless CompactFlash Card installs directly into your Pocket PC using a CompactFlash Type I or Type II slot). I think that fits the IPaq. I need one for the SX56.
I saw some creative ideas above. Anybody try matching the pin-outs yet??
:roll: Sigh. Read my lips. It won't work. It's not a matter of "pin-outs." It's far, far deeper than that on both hardware and software.
And really, would you want to access an ethernet network at 115k??? What for?
LumpiStefan said:
Helllo.
I don´t think, that the wireless lan card will work in the XDA. In the technical PDF there is a picture that shows a SDIO-Interface.
XDA still do NOT have a SDIO-Interface.
Regards
Stefan
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While I doubt that anyone will, it ought to be a small task to design a Bluetooth interface that will work with SDIO or SD either as a polled device or memory mapped I/O. For Bluetooth this should produce acceptable results --- for 802.11b clearly it would not.
It won't work. It's not a matter of "pin-outs." It's far, far deeper than that on both hardware and software.
And really, would you want to access an ethernet network at 115k??? What for?
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It certainly seems doable. What is the limitation on the SX56 that does not exist on iPaq? And since I struggled through years and years of 36K dialup before DSL, for the limited data access needed for a PDA, 115K seems like heaven. Noone is going to treat it like a workstation. But access to remote data has a wide range of applications.
The iPaq has an expansion port, the XDA does not.
Carlos:
If you have a quick look at one of the links I have provided above you should find that there are a couple of solutions available for anyone who would like to connect a 802.11 device to a serial port. They may be a little bulky and power hungry, but that can surely be taken care of.
There will be 256MB SDIO card with built-in 801.11, right? What about a 256MB SDRW card with built-in SDIO and USB-host? With the USB/serial/power/peripheral connector of the Qtek sitting next to the SD-slot you could easily build a device that connects to both "ports". Wouldn't it be nice?
wi-fi stuffs for Qtek
Hi Bamse,
Could you tell me what exactly that I would need to purchased
to have my Qtek works with wi-fi? Thank you.
None of it exists today. Everything posted so far is theoretical. It will never exist. There's no market for it.
I recently purchased and modified an old RS Digitraveler and modified it for my MDA with the instructions here. Works great ... Thanks to Yorch and Cellfreak. Now I am wondering if anyone tried a better mapping software that will go with it. I would be very interested especially in creating my own maps for countries outside US for travels.
Also does anyone have a solution for SD 802.11b network card without SDIO port maybe using the usb connection etc on the craddle connector?
Cheers.
HB
I have attempted many direct cable and USB W-Fi solutions ( with Wireless Acess points from CISCO, Lynksis and others).
The biggest challenge is finding a unit that is self powered( does not draw power from the USB port itself) and for the device to recognize it.
I managed to get the device to recognize a WAP connected to a powered USB hub...but it was tricky and it defies the purpose of wireless connectivity because it is plugged in...
I open to ideas...
There is a thread called WIFI for the XDA with more details.
does it really lacks the IrDA port?
I use the irda port on my wizard to download my Polar Data.
Yup, it really does lack IR.
Gordon
Damn you HTC
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does it really lacks the IrDA port?
I use the irda port on my wizard to download my Polar Data.
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Sucks big time. I used my Trinity as a universal remote. I hate it when they replace specs instead of just upping them.
Cutting reduces cost, size and use of battery life.
Most people didn't use IrDA
maybe you can find one for the SD/IO port ?
DLD
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maybe you can find one for the SD/IO port ?
DLD
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Thanks but I don't particularly like the idea of stuff sticking out of my sd ports. Besides, (micro)SDIO products are few and far between. They never should have removed it because infrared is still used in a number of different appliances which could double your phone as a remote control. As far as I know, it doesn't take up battery life whilst idle (unless you set it to constantly watch for incoming beams?)...
I sure hope their next phone reintroduces it.
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Thanks but I don't particularly like the idea of stuff sticking out of my sd ports. Besides, (micro)SDIO products are few and far between. They never should have removed it because infrared is still used in a number of different appliances which could double your phone as a remote control. As far as I know, it doesn't take up battery life whilst idle (unless you set it to constantly watch for incoming beams?)...
I sure hope their next phone reintroduces it.
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Don't like stuff hanging out of mine either!
Sadly, I doubt very much you will see it return in future devices. The TyTn had one, but it's range was veeeery low, just a couple of feet. I have the feeling it's like floppy discs getting as rare as hens teeth.
Mike
Welcome "Industry trends"
Some fool decided that IrDA is a no-go and should be removed from laptops and hence from PDAs since Bluetooth has 100% penetration. Outlook for this was 2007, then pushed to 2008 and now they are talking about 2009... I know my company sells chips with IrDA support for laptops coming out on 2008/9... there is still demand but probably the chipset used for the P4550 does not support FIR (IrDA) anymore...
I am in search for a new device to replace my BlueAngel and have had a look at the TyTn II as well as the P6500 but I am very disapointed to find out that the IrDA is no longer available in the new HTC units. I am using the Ir for several devices like my other phones, Polar sports watch, dive computer etc. so for me the Ir is an essential feature.
Are there any way to get this working, I have not found any external units to connect to the TyTn via mini USB. (Even though I would hate have to have some contraption hanging out of the device.)
As of now I might start consider leaving the HTC-land after 6 years with their fantastic products.
/Ronny
( - Wallaby - Blue Angel - Atom - )
Just wondering if anyone has found a solution/accessory for this lack of IrDA port? I have a Touch Cruise which also lacks a IRDA (Gee thanks HTC). I need to get it to talk to my Polar S625x watch. Anyone found a miniUSB IRDA device?
Thanks
OK, I have read a bunch of posts on the lack of IR abilities and how the Tilt uses BT to beam. I just sent a file from the Tilt to my Hermes via BT and it took about 10 seconds. I enabled IR on both devices and aligned the IR port on the Herm towards the left side of the Tilt and it gave the option to beam, I beamed the same size file and it took less than a second. I am not sure I understand, I repeated the test 3 times with the same result. Any ideas?
has anyone tryed this?
http://www.ameri-rack.com/APA-TFC1m.html
Its a sd to microsd port so you can fit into your sdio irda into your phone. its gona be pretty big but at least that is an option...
I'll cut to the chase and save the boring details for the next paragraph: I want an external SDIO camera connected to my Tilt so I can record videos on bike rides. I've searched high and low, and I have a few products in mind. Can anyone tell me if they know of better products?
What I need:
- An SDIO camera which will work on the Kaiser
- An SDIO (standard SD size) to MicroSD cable/adapter (if microSD SDIO cameras do not exist)
- A way to hook up both a microSD card and the camera (if possible)
- A good shell to keep my Kaiser injury free when (and if) I take a spill
- Any other suggestions are welcome.
What I've found:
On Bluetooth Cameras:
So far I've found absolutely nothing in the way of Bluetooth Camera modules (except the following college research paper and patent application by Kodak) so I might be jumping the gun with Bluetooth, but here they are:
http://www.itn.liu.se/~shago/Exjobb/BT_Webcam.pdf [college research pap]
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/02/kodaks-bluetooth-camera-module/ [engadget on kodak patent]
On MicroSD SDIO Camearas:
I have found nothing on this subject. If there are any microSDIO cameras that you are aware of or are around PLEASE PM, e-mail, reply, call or IM me!
On SDIO camera modules I've found the following:
- HP Photosmart Mobile Camera
This is for an iPaq with Windows PocketPC 2002 or Windows Mobile 2003. It takes video, but will it work on a Kaiser, considering it's a WinMo6 device? It looks like a good option.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/sm/pocketpc/FA185A_specifications.html
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=534595&SiteID=1 [this link suggests that it works fine under winmo5 and is even usable via camera APIs using some discontinued Veo camera APIs]
- eNnovation (LifeView?) FlyCam SD
For this one I have similar fears that some of the prerequisites are not satisfied by the Kaiser. Specifically they list the following:
CPU : Intel Xscale
OS : Microsoft Pocket PC 2000, Pocket PC 2002 and Pocket PC 2003.
The age of the OSes listed and the CPU requirement make me shy away from this one, although the HP seems just as bad when it come to support for WinMo.
http://www.ennovationtech.com/html/flycamsd.htm#F
http://www.msdner.com/dev-archive/144/11-35-1446805.shtm [this link suggests lifeview makes it and there's winmo5 support and an sdk, but the lifeview site is down.]
- Pretec SDIO 1.3MegaPixel Camera
This little card is just another one of the ones I've found. This one says Win PPC 2002 and higher, so I'm guessing it implies WinMo5&6 support, but that's a crap shoot. This camera also features 20fps max depending on resolution while the above two sport 30fps. Not my top choice.
http://www.pretec.com/epages/Store....s/Store.Pretec/Products/OS-CAS#Specifications
http://www.jactron.co.uk/pretec/io/sdio/sd-smartcam.htm
- Veo SDIO Camera
A lot is mentioned about these cams, but they seem to be discontinued and I am unable to find a place to purchase any of these. Would these be better suited? Anyone own one?
- Spectec SDIO Camera
This camera seems to be a 640x480 only discontinued model also. There is a chance that these do not work well with WinMo5/6 at all.
http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=121109 DISCONTINUED
On SD to MicroSD adapters/converters/cables:
I couldn't find any. The closest thing I found was a post on MoDaCo linking to an SD to MiniSD solution. I also found a camerahacker.com post on detailed images which show the pins are pretty much 1-1. I would also like to thank Chainfire who told me this fact ahead of time on IRC in #xda-devs. Additionally, there seems to have been an April Fool's joke about SanDisk making an SD to MicroSD adapter on another PPC device forum. Thanks to them I nearly soiled myself. I am highly inclined to create my own adapter, but feel free to save my time if one exists or is in development.
http://www.camerahacker.com/Digital/Inside_miniSD_Adapter.shtml [CameraHacker post describing pinouts with pics]
http://www.modaco.com/content/Windo...o-purchase-or-make-an-sd-to-microsd-adapter-/ [MoDaCo post related to this same endeavor]
http://www.diatec.co.jp/shop/det.php?prod_c=460 [Japanese site with an SD to MiniSD solution]
On Connecting Both SDIO Device and MicroSD/SD Memory Card
I have not found any information on any device capable of allowing this sort of chaining an SDIO card with an SD card. I did find a WiFi card and a GPS card which allow a pass-through to a microSD card. None of the cameras listed above had this capability listed, and I did not see it in any of the pictures (although I could have missed it?).
On Protective Cases
I found two suitable solutions for this, and I'm leaning toward BoxWave's Armor Case as it has a screen cover as well. They're both around $30.
http://www.boxwave.com/products/armorcase/armor-case-at_t-tilt_2906.htm [BoxWave's Armor Case]
http://www.tiltdepot.com/a/att-tilt-metal-cases/monaco-aluminum-case-_4-23--3294.htm [Monaco Aluminum Case]
So far this is what I've got, and the idea is that I would mount the camera in my helmet, connect the SDIO connector to a cable that runs to my pocket where it converts to MicroSD and plugs into my Kaiser. I would like to get this project together so I can record some videos of upcoming rides. If you know of any better suited products or shortcuts that I can take please reply!
notten:
Here is something I've been looking at to record videos on bike rides.
http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=0&pid=709&scid=86
The big drawback is all the reviews say the video quality is not very good..
Using your 'Kaiser' as the recorder for video I would have thought is a little impractical.
Firstly the mini-SD card is not SDIO compatible even if you could get an adapter. Secondly, you have to find some way of protecting both camera and phone. Thirdly, any wireless connected camera (BT or WiFi) will be of low quality due to transmission rates/resolution restrictions (Check out my thread on connecting a Linksys network camera with peer to peer).
I advise you to Google 'Sports video camera' as there are some good packs out there. Then you can convert the video at a later date for viewing on any device.
Not really the answer you wanted but someone else may come up with something.
The microSD slot not being SDIO is slightly disappointing. Are you sure about this? I wanted to have the phone record GPS along with video, so standalone devices wouldn't really do the trick. Thank you both for your replies. So far it's not what I wanted to hear.
Additionally I cannot find any of the cameras I listed except the HP on sale anywhere. The HP Photosmart camera can only take pictures through an SDK which makes the whole project even less viable.
Are you certain the Kaisers don't support SDIO over the microSD slot?
My bet, and this is a gut instinct, is that none of those camera's will work under WM6. Wasn't the processor and achitecture different on the PPC systems to the newer WM6 hardware? I seem to remember programs came in XScale, ARM and other versions depending on the processor your device carried so it would stand to reason that something designed for a XScale processor wouldn't be to happy with an ARM processor. Course I could be way off base here!
The fact that so many phones, PDA's etc these days come with built in WiFi, Camera's, Bluetooth etc would make the market for add-on devices such as this rather small and its unlikely people would waste their R&D time building something for a rather small market place.
How about something like these?
www.helmetcamera.com
www.helmet-cameras.com
OK, now I know I am pushing the envelope here but Coreplayer have said that they have solved the Qualcomm driver issue for streamed video and that the upcoming version (1.2) of Coreplayer works perfect with the 'Kaiser'.
I would bet that if you can find a 'Rugged' housing for any Linksys camera with reasonable resolution, you can have a good peer-to-peer link in your pocket!!!
Hey! wishful thinking for the New Year???
OH, one thing you have to remember on ANY camera setup! How do you record.....
Honestly, I hope you are correct. I will definitely try the Linksys camera if Coreplayer delivers the updated punch to the video streaming. When it does I will come bug you to test the Linksys camera. With good video it's likely to be my solution. Also, I have a very good buddy who might help me fab an aluminum enclosure for the camera.
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Honestly, I hope you are correct. I will definitely try the Linksys camera if Coreplayer delivers the updated punch to the video streaming. When it does I will come bug you to test the Linksys camera. With good video it's likely to be my solution. Also, I have a very good buddy who might help me fab an aluminum enclosure for the camera.
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Well the Linksys WVC54G I have is only a poxy 320x240 cam but as I said in the thread, if you can find a Linksys cam with good resolution it should have the same stream available.
OK, I know Crimble is coming up but I will try to set up a 5V portable supply and test this out for you.....(only cause it looks like I'm doin summat good but you have me REALLY interested now for myself, SMILES).
EDIT; How often do we need GPS waypoint ties to vid recording do you think?? (Soz, brain running on...)
A qvga camera will do for me, but the VWC is just way too large. I don't think I can get those to comfortably stay on a helmet without looking outrageously falmboyant.
If there's anything in 640x480 that will stream to TCPMP and fit on a helmet I'm buying it. What exactly is this Crimble? I couldn't find anything on it, but I'll try to build a portable power supply myself if necessary.
As to the GPS waypoints on video: I'm looking to record cool rides and have the playback showing my location. I think I might've unknowningly stolen the concept from Indy 500, which sends some sort of local positioning system for the camera overlays they do with the races. I wonder what else could benefit from this.
notten said:
A qvga camera will do for me, but the VWC is just way too large. I don't think I can get those to comfortably stay on a helmet without looking outrageously falmboyant.
If there's anything in 640x480 that will stream to TCPMP and fit on a helmet I'm buying it. What exactly is this Crimble? I couldn't find anything on it, but I'll try to build a portable power supply myself if necessary.
As to the GPS waypoints on video: I'm looking to record cool rides and have the playback showing my location. I think I might've unknowningly stolen the concept from Indy 500, which sends some sort of local positioning system for the camera overlays they do with the races. I wonder what else could benefit from this.
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Ahh... Crimble is my home location's (Yorkshire, England) acronim (you know, you use those in the US) for Christmas!....
Just buying a camera and using it is not in the 'METHOD' of XDA, if we can get it to work, WELL, then we take the guts and suit it to our purpose. If I can't do the hardware, I am sure somone else will look into that. One task at a time...Lets get a good image with GPS tags...
Does anyone know if it is possible to use Kaiser to project a power point presentation, bypassing the need for a laptop, and without the use of an intermediate device like the Margi PDA presenter? I read that the new HTC phones may be able to do that, if so is this a software or special hardware wiring? is it a function of the device being VGA or qVGA display? I would appreciate an explanantion by one of the experts.
You are hearing about a technology that hasn't yet been released... it will be a micro projector built into the phone or as an ipod sized accessory.
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Does anyone know if it is possible to use Kaiser to project a power point presentation, bypassing the need for a laptop
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If you mean the sort of video output dongle thats possible to use with the Touch Pro and other devices, no it won't work if used with the Kaiser. I've not tried it with my Kaiser, I've just read it here somewhere on XDA-DEV that it doesn't work with a Kaiser.
I am talking about the ability of the new devices e.g. Fuze to connect directly to a TV or slide projector using a special cable from the mini USB on on one end and has RCA connections on the other to attach to the external display device. See this:
http://www.htc.com/us/product.aspx?id=58080
Kaiser doesn't support/have the TV Out feature, this was asked and explain before, just search the kaiser forum and you will get your answer.
DG