Anyone have/know of a solution to use USB instead of Serial for the wireless modem fetures?
The Laptop systems I build are too small and dont offer LPT or Serial ports.
Thanx
Todd
-- I do have a USB to Serial adapter kit from Belkin but would rather not have to use that.
I know how to do it: there's just no freakin' time!
Could someone please do the following:
- Create a virtual serial port on the PC. (This is the only non-trivial part, especially if it must work under 98/ME as well as under NT/2000/XP.)
- Verify presence of special DLL upon ActiveSync, transfer DLL if it's not there.
- When COM port on host PC is opened, signal is sent to DLL, which proceeds to suspend TAPI and talk to the the modem. (See XDAunlock.exe source for details)
- Use the documented method for transferring streaming data via ActiveSync, from the virtual comm port, via the DLL, to the modem. And vice versa, ofcourse. Comm port can be at any speed, modem is 115k2.
- Revert to normal when virtual COM port is closed.
If someone has code for a virtual com-port lying around, the rest isn't hard, and it would make a lot of people very happy.
well i guess ill do this instead for now
here is a nice small adapter i found w a virtual port - similar to the Belkin i already have but smaller in size (and this is important)
http://www.iogear.com/products/product.php?Item=GUC232A
Hey can i please get a pole from the members on who is using the wireless modem - the quality they are getting and the provider (ie ATT, Tmobile...) they are using please?
WiFi anyone??
well here is an application im planning on emulating w the Wireless modem of the XDA. Currently Im using Wifi which is great but when i cant "stumble" on an open AP id like to use the wireless modem in the XDA
http://www.jonadams.com/pages/wifi/wifi_setup.htm
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They have GPS receivers that work through the bottom cradle connection for IPAQs they also have other devieces like keyboards that work like this.
Would it be possible to develop a 80211 dongle that could click into the
cradle port? is anyone working on this? is there anyone that would have
enough knowledge to beging working on this i could contact. I would love to get 802.11 for this baby.
Dan said:
Would it be possible to develop a 80211 dongle that could click into the cradle port? is anyone working on this? is there anyone that would have enough knowledge to beging working on this i could contact. I would love to get 802.11 for this baby.
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No, sorry. The XDA connector on the bottom supports USB and serial. However, the USB will only do 'Slave Mode', i.e. act as a USB device towards a computer. There are USB 802.11 devices, but they work as devices as well, and thus need a 'Master' to talk to. And there's no serial 802.11b transceivers out that we know of.
You could conceiveably build a USB device that plays the master role and feeds the IP through just like ActiveSync does, but nobody has done that yet. For the manufacturers this shouldn't be that hard, given the amount of spare processing power on these 802.11 tranceivers. (And while we're at it, we might as well incorporate a GPS connected to the serial port...)
hmm
so this won't be something that a little hacking group such as XDA developers would be capable of?
Hi
In a short time a wireless lan card will be available which you can plug into you SD Slot. See http://www.sychip.com/wlan-module.html
See ya
Mick
Helllo.
I don´t think, that the wireless lan card will work in the XDA. In the technical PDF there is a picture that shows a SDIO-Interface.
XDA still do NOT have a SDIO-Interface.
Regards
Stefan
hold on, why do u need a wireless lan card? I thought the xda was a wireless device, surely it ought to have wireless connectivity built into it? If you had a corporate wireless network, cant it just be configured to connect?
Of course it has wireless support, using GSM and/or GPRS and infrared. But WLAN support is something entirely different, and that is definitely not included.
Shouldn't be too hard to design a WLAN adapter acting as an USB master though. With the pass-through functionality built into the activesync software it has definitely been shown that the USB connection can be used for network access.
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Shouldn't be too hard to design a WLAN adapter acting as an USB master though. With the pass-through functionality built into the activesync software it has definitely been shown that the USB connection can be used for network access.
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Yo bamse,
Ever want to be very, very popular ? You would make hero of the month on our charts, that's for sure...
What about these guys:
http://www.datahunter.com
I know it's RS232 and not USB, but apart from that the Liberator should do the trick almost straight away, and they also advertise a module that could be built into a sleaker package:
OEM 802.11 WLAN Mini-Modules
OEM and ODM manufacturers can incorporate FCC ?Modular? pre-certified 802.11b mini-modules into their products. The Data Hunter 802.11 mini-modules have the Operating System Wireless LAN software drivers built-in. Interface options are the ones Engineers need, including high-speed async logic-level or RS232, SPI processor interface, USB and full Ethernet TCP/IP. No additional FCC certification required for the modular 802.11 data radios. Start shipping integrated WLAN immediately. Includes single antenna for bulkhead mount or dual diversity antennas
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What about these guys [...]
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I could be wrong, but from their site I get the strong impression none of it is done, and they'll start work on it the minute someone orders a few thousand.
Also: they base everything on the Compact Flash 802.11 cards with some extra hardware, which is unlikely to pretend it's a PC running ActiveSync straight out of the box, so some extra work is in order.
What we need is a CF 802.11 card that comes with an SDK for adding your own code. No need for extra parts and power consumption: the card should have enough spare cycles to pretend it's ActiveSync on Windows plus the USB. (Or serial at 115.200 if that's somehow easier). Then all we need after the two manmonths of coding is a nice plastic stick-one case and we're done...
Ok, how about this then:
http://www.tuanistechnology.com/products/avaya/converter/
Or this:
http://www.autodnc.de/ctwlani.htm
You'll find a whole bunch of them out there, all serial and 115200bps, but none of the companies seem to have identified the PDA-owners a market for their produkts.
I'd say most of these products use way to much power for PDA use.
Really, let's not build stuff that's already on the PC or CF card to begin with.
Anyone found a way to access 802.11b yet? I see that Linksys has the WCF12 (The Wireless CompactFlash Card installs directly into your Pocket PC using a CompactFlash Type I or Type II slot). I think that fits the IPaq. I need one for the SX56.
I saw some creative ideas above. Anybody try matching the pin-outs yet??
:roll: Sigh. Read my lips. It won't work. It's not a matter of "pin-outs." It's far, far deeper than that on both hardware and software.
And really, would you want to access an ethernet network at 115k??? What for?
LumpiStefan said:
Helllo.
I don´t think, that the wireless lan card will work in the XDA. In the technical PDF there is a picture that shows a SDIO-Interface.
XDA still do NOT have a SDIO-Interface.
Regards
Stefan
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While I doubt that anyone will, it ought to be a small task to design a Bluetooth interface that will work with SDIO or SD either as a polled device or memory mapped I/O. For Bluetooth this should produce acceptable results --- for 802.11b clearly it would not.
It won't work. It's not a matter of "pin-outs." It's far, far deeper than that on both hardware and software.
And really, would you want to access an ethernet network at 115k??? What for?
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It certainly seems doable. What is the limitation on the SX56 that does not exist on iPaq? And since I struggled through years and years of 36K dialup before DSL, for the limited data access needed for a PDA, 115K seems like heaven. Noone is going to treat it like a workstation. But access to remote data has a wide range of applications.
The iPaq has an expansion port, the XDA does not.
Carlos:
If you have a quick look at one of the links I have provided above you should find that there are a couple of solutions available for anyone who would like to connect a 802.11 device to a serial port. They may be a little bulky and power hungry, but that can surely be taken care of.
There will be 256MB SDIO card with built-in 801.11, right? What about a 256MB SDRW card with built-in SDIO and USB-host? With the USB/serial/power/peripheral connector of the Qtek sitting next to the SD-slot you could easily build a device that connects to both "ports". Wouldn't it be nice?
wi-fi stuffs for Qtek
Hi Bamse,
Could you tell me what exactly that I would need to purchased
to have my Qtek works with wi-fi? Thank you.
None of it exists today. Everything posted so far is theoretical. It will never exist. There's no market for it.
I recently purchased and modified an old RS Digitraveler and modified it for my MDA with the instructions here. Works great ... Thanks to Yorch and Cellfreak. Now I am wondering if anyone tried a better mapping software that will go with it. I would be very interested especially in creating my own maps for countries outside US for travels.
Also does anyone have a solution for SD 802.11b network card without SDIO port maybe using the usb connection etc on the craddle connector?
Cheers.
HB
I have attempted many direct cable and USB W-Fi solutions ( with Wireless Acess points from CISCO, Lynksis and others).
The biggest challenge is finding a unit that is self powered( does not draw power from the USB port itself) and for the device to recognize it.
I managed to get the device to recognize a WAP connected to a powered USB hub...but it was tricky and it defies the purpose of wireless connectivity because it is plugged in...
I open to ideas...
There is a thread called WIFI for the XDA with more details.
well i believe i have just ruined my usb cable wire
the mini end fell into my cereal bowl (with some milk left at bottom)and windows keeps popping up faulty device errors
is there anyway to send files to my device over wifi? like file sharing with other network devices?
i could do it over msn but thats annoying
I don't know about WiFi, but you definetly can achieve everything that you could with the USB cable, with Bluetooth (except for the speed).
Just tell ActiveSync to connect via Bluetooth (Menu > Connect via Bluetooth). You may need to pair the device with the PC first though.
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I don't know about WiFi, but you definetly can achieve everything that you could with the USB cable, with Bluetooth (except for the speed).
Just tell ActiveSync to connect via Bluetooth (Menu > Connect via Bluetooth). You may need to pair the device with the PC first though.
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I would also need a bluetooth device on my PC which i don't otherwise i would not have posted about WiFi file sharing
if you have it you should be able to do it by going into settings/connections/network plugins and map you pc drive to your phone,not sure on exactly how to set it up maybe theres something in the wiki?
You can find USB Bluetooth dongle's for like $10
bluetooth is to slow for normal filesharing...
have you tried the drive mapping option? dont know if its in the no thrills rom.
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well i believe i have just ruined my usb cable wire
the mini end fell into my cereal bowl
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If you mean the USB cable is dead, it's a standard one you can find virtually anywhere. You most likely have one that came with another device, if not it will cost you a mere $2 to get one...
If you share a folder on the PC there are programs that allow you to map the share on the phone, but even then with WiFi the speed is pretty much as slow as with Bluetooth.
On the PC.. make you sure that:
1) You've something shared on your pc (in Computer resources should appear an hand under the drives, or in network resources you should see shared folders of your pc)
2) In TCP/IP settings of the connection to the AP/router, Netbios is ON
On the PPC
A)Make you sure your wifi connection is working well
B) Make you sure the network plugin is disabled
C) Use Resco Explorer, in the bottom right corner there is a button to map lan drives/shared folders, follow the instructions.
Elsewhere You can use the "network plugin, it allow you to share folders also with the pda... but i write/copy files always from pda, so i don't need of a shared folder on it (and relative service started).
Check out this post, there is a couple of tips and people you can ask for more help if needed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374249
Enjoy
http://swiftp.googlecode.com/files/SwiFTP_1.24.apk
Hi,
I'm trying to get GPS2Blue to work and managed to get a connection between my Kaiser and my desktop (with a dongle using the Toshiba Bluetooth stack) by creating an outgoing port on the Kaiser (start-settings-connections-bluetooth-com ports-new outgoing port-DESKTOP-next).
I am successfully paired with a Lenovo T61 using the internal bluetooth with a broadcom stack (Vista Bunsiness x64), but while the Desktop advertises 'Serial Port' and 'ActiveSync' as bluetooth services, the T61 stack only advertises 'ActiveSync' 'Wireless Stereo' and 'Headset'. As a result, I can't add an outgoing port to the laptop and GPS2Blue doesn't work.
Does anyone know how to tell the broadcom stack to tell the kaiser that it has SPP (Serial Port Profile) available for it? Using GPS2Blue over TCP/IP is not an option because the virtual com port driver currently doesn't support Vista x64.
This has been bugging me for a loooong time, I'd really appreciate any help with this. Thanks!
Lncdoc
OK, 2 things.
Firstly, GPS2Blue doesn't need an Outgoing port on the Kaiser, but an Incoming one. Then, you discover services on the phone, from the PC, and you'll have a serial port you should connect to. Not the other way around like you were saying. Now, WM6/6.1 don't let the user set an incoming port from the BT configuration page anymore, so a manual registry edit is necessary. Attached is a .reg file that will set an incoming port on COM6.
Apply this, soft reset. Then run GPS2Blue, set it to use COM6, discover services from the PC, connect to the serial port, and connect to whatever serial port the stack maps it on the PC with your GPS program.
Secondly (but now unrelated!), if from the phone you'd like to see a serial port on the PC, there are 2 solutions. Firstly look for an "add new seral port" option in your BT stack on the PC, some support multiple ones.
If there's none, you should open activesync connection page, disable serial connection. On the Phone the Arcivesync entry will now revert to serial port. To have AS again, reenable the COM port connection in AS.
Thanks a lot! That worked like a charm. After Vista with the Broadcom stack forced the use of COM9, I changed it manually to COM5 in the device manager (For reference of other people wanting to do this: Device Manager / Ports (COM & LPT) / Standard Serial over Bluetooth link (COMn) / Right Click / Properties / Port Settings / Advanced / COM Port Number), since some software (like MeHere) only supports up to COM8.
Now everything works like a charm on my laptop.
Note that this weirdly enough also works with an Outgoing port on the Kaiser if you have a stack (on your PC) which broadcasts the availability of an incoming serial port (in which case the Kaiser initiates the connection, not the PC, and the COM Port sends regardless of whether something is connected or not...). Not that I'm recommending this route to anyone, but I got this working on the Toshiba stack.
Anyway, thanks a lot again, it's finally working perfectly with OziExplorer, MeHere, Google Earth.... you name it.
Lncdoc
Arrrrgggg! I am so close. The incoming BT port bit helped me to get connected but, although GPS2Blue is gettting a lock, and I appear to be connected to EarthBridge/PC, the GPS data doesn't appear to be transmitted to Earthbridge/PC. Google Earth keeps putting me off the coast of Africa instead of south Florida.
I'm about ready to go pickup a copy of Streets & Trips with GPS.
GPS2Blue 1.9
I allready got .reg file on my computer.
The only thing i don't understand is how to get the incomming port on my laptop....
Greetz
Peter
Loaded the appropriate reg values...nothing. Still doesn't work. I can't see the port on the PC or Handheld under "Bluetooth Services".
Thanks kilrah
Your solutions works great for me and i have tested this with my i900 and two different notebooks running Windows 7 and Windows XP
Works in both notebooks
I was using Garmin Mobile PC Version 5
Thanks again for your great help
thx kilrah
'elpetah1984' you must import registry value to PDA windows not PC
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8429209#post8429209
F I N A L L Y !!!!!!!
I've finally managed to do it!!! Oh man.. what a fight! almost 4 am and trying since days.. eheheh it is really rewarding! Will be doing a tutorial to avoid hours and hours of frustation to anyone trying this!
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F I N A L L Y !!!!!!!
I've finally managed to do it!!! Oh man.. what a fight! almost 4 am and trying since days.. eheheh it is really rewarding! Will be doing a tutorial to avoid hours and hours of frustation to anyone trying this!
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That'd be great!
Did you get it to work with many apps? I remember one time I managed to get it set (don't know how, can't reproduce my semi-success) so I could share the ActiveSync port and in Windows I could open the COM port on PuTTY to see the NEMA output but only a couple apps recognized that there was a GPS there -- the main thing I wanted to work (inSSIDer) couldn't see any GPS.
I'd definately be interested if you came up with a reliable way to make it work.
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-- the main thing I wanted to work (inSSIDer) couldn't see any GPS.
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I saw your post @ metageek forums, because I too am unable to make it work with either version of inSSIDer, although Netstumbler saw it nice and easy. Thing is: I have Vista, and Netstumbler doesn't like Vista like me
I'm gonna get a XP lappy tomorrow which battery only works for half an hour but hey, it's a start
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I saw your post @ metageek forums, because I too am unable to make it work with either version of inSSIDer, although Netstumbler saw it nice and easy. Thing is: I have Vista, and Netstumbler doesn't like Vista like me
I'm gonna get a XP lappy tomorrow which battery only works for half an hour but hey, it's a start
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Good luck, XP is out of the question for me because HP doesn't provide Bluetooth drivers back to before Vista. Maybe I can find a way to forward the COM port and a USB WiFi adapter through VirtualBox and use XP that way...though I've been unsuccessful with either of those so far.
Actually you can forward the USB device to Oracle's Virtualbox, I have my TP-Lnk USB WiFi forwarding into a linux virtual machine working perfectly in monitor mode with kismet and aircrack I don't think you can forward COM ports tho, but if you have an external USB bluetooth adapter you can also forward it into XP!! Will try that asap!
Thing is, I wanted to use the onboard wireless because it's way more sensitive than the external USB adapter, but it's not possible to forward it inside a virtualbox.
Ahhh computer issues.. always bugging me since 1993 XD
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Actually you can forward the USB device to Oracle's Virtualbox, I have my TP-Lnk USB WiFi forwarding into a linux virtual machine working perfectly in monitor mode with kismet and aircrack
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I got bad news and good news.
Bad news:
The USB forwarding of my wireless card works under Linux but FAILS under a XP VM!!! %$#*@#!"#
Good news:
Downloaded Franson GpsGate trial and now inSSIDer is working !!!!
Guys
I was wondering if anyone knew if there is a Windows XP modem driver, to use the Tytn as a data modem. I don't want to share internet connection, I want to physically dial another modem.
I can get it to run using the Standard 33000 modem in windows, but the results are flaky (sometimes it connects, sometimes it doesn't) . I'm telling the driver to use a bluetooth port as the COM port, and it does communicate.
It's just that the standard driver has few configuration options.
Yours
Lord Rorthorn