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Quite new to all this and have spent time with search, so please don't shout at me!
I still own a Tytn which I've been very happy with speed wise. Orange have sent me a Tytn ii now which i think is a great machine, however the lag and speed issues are really getting to me now. I understand that Orange are not the best when it comes to customising these phones and as a result is one of the main reasons it runs so slow. I spoke to Orange tech today and they said i wouldn't invalidate my warranty if i changed the ROM. Will it get this phone moving to a usable speed? I love the functions of this phone (GPS, keyboards better, BRIGHT screen! etc..) but the speed is taking the p*#s now.If anybody can recommend a good ROM (?) that would be great. Any help gratefully received.
hi and welcome to the forums. you can start your upgrading by reading through this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369282
i can tell you that basically any cooked rom will give you a speed improvementover a shipped rom. i'm not gonna give any suggestions, there's just too many different personal preferences when it comes to choosing a rom, just read through this and the upgrading forums....you will see many opinions, probably someone whould even post their opinion here too. good luck
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I spoke to Orange tech today and they said i wouldn't invalidate my warranty if i changed the ROM.
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I very much doubt that! I bet they wouldn't put that in writing.
Afaik orange don't release rom updates and how could they support your device with some other rom on it?
Either way, I couldn't care less about it voiding the warranty, the stock orange rom is pants. I've never looked back since flashing a cooked rom.
As already mentioned, there are too many roms to say which is the best, it's a personal thing.
I personally like Duttys v4 (eek! looks as sig and realizes its waaay out of date, been running v4 for a while now), its quick, reliable and just generally feels nice.
"I very much doubt that! I bet they wouldn't put that in writing."
I asked the chap today and he said "because you had the phone direct from Orange we would repair or replace even if customised" I did say " are you SURE about that and he said yes. Having said that, every time i speak to them about anything they contradict each other! Ive been with them a long time and because I'm a heavy user they generally treat me right. I hope he was right, i did ask him for his name and i logged the time of call so hopefully if it does screw up I've got some comeback. Thanks for the quick replies.
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"I very much doubt that! I bet they wouldn't put that in writing."
I asked the chap today and he said "because you had the phone direct from Orange we would repair or replace even if customised" I did say " are you SURE about that and he said yes. Having said that, every time i speak to them about anything they contradict each other! Ive been with them a long time and because I'm a heavy user they generally treat me right. I hope he was right, i did ask him for his name and i logged the time of call so hopefully if it does screw up I've got some comeback. Thanks for the quick replies.
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There is a big jump from "customisation" which to them probably means not using the crappy orange home to flashing a new rom.
my 2p worth.
I specifically said i want to change the ROM. He said OK. Sod it, its next to useless anyway with their crap software. If i brick it I'll "accidentally" drop it into the bath and let my home insurance get me a new one.
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I specifically said i want to change the ROM. He said OK. Sod it, its next to useless anyway with their crap software. If i brick it I'll "accidentally" drop it into the bath and let my home insurance get me a new one.
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Just be sure to read and sock in all of the guides, then theres very little chance of bricking it
Well, I took the plunge, but as a nessesity rather than option.
I'm with TMobile and they wanted £180 for the upgrade plus put up my tariff £10 per month (was on 25% for life plus £10 loyalty discount) so effectively upgrade would cost £320.
Got a new Orange 12 mnth contract and phone for £70. Other half now has 12 month orange contract sim rather than PAYG, and I followed the sim unlock and flashed Duttys 6.1 ROM with 3 days of getting the phone. Orange phone looks much better than Vario 3 too.
Just follow the instructions to the letter and you won't look back!
Cheers for everyone's help! Much appreciated. Now, does anyone know why slide to unlock pretty much messes my phone up???!!! Orange ROM causing the problem?? I get the main screen but the slider doesn't slide and then i just get a blank screen!
If you are up for flashing a new rom... then don't muck about with applications yet.
Read up. Flash the correct SPL, then choose a rom, flash it (and simunlock if its a 6.1 rom as you need a 6.1 compatible radio) and then use it for a couple of days and see what you like.
If you dont like the new rom - flash another... It can become quite addictive!
Hi guys Im new to this thread and I've been reading the whole treads for like 3 days and for some reason im getting confused about the pros and cons so I just want to ask if my understanding about the froyo leak flash with odin3 is correct. If there is something else that i forgot to mention that is really important please remind me before i flash my new captivate
PRos:
1. flash 10.1 on browser
2. JIt compliler
3. no need to root the phone
4. can save apps on sd card
5. GPs more accurate
6. can still be root
Cons:
1. unlocked code from 2.1 eclair to use other sim will not work anymore
2. IMEI number will change and impossible to retrived unless you send them back to samsung?
3. no more android keyboard
4. void the warranty?
5. updating through OTA will not work anymore after reverting from froyo 2.2 leak to the stock 2.1 eclair by using odin3
6. after flashing couple of times from reverting to eclair to froyo will ban you from andriod market and the phone will state that there is no sim even if there is one inserted
7. lag issues
This is my first time to have an android phone so im totally noob and no idea yet and a little scared of making mistake. Also if i root my phone will i be able to unroot it again in case i want to return back the phone to at&t? Thank you in advance
Are your pros supposed to be compared to 2.1?
"no need to root"? There was not a need a root 2.1 either - or the same reasons existed, so i don't follow this.
The way i see it, 2.2 gives you access to 2.2 only apps in the store. Not much else. It is 2.2, yes, but there is not a lot more functionality. I do want it, but I can wait for official build.
BTW, there are built in tether apps - no longer in 2.1 JH7. That could be a pro.
Cons:
How about bugs and work arounds. It is stable, but Google groups and Exchange groups don't work. Samsung email client is broken when replying, etc. There is a pretty good list.
I will wait for the next build from Samsung, but that is me.
If your a "basic" user such I am (no exchange support needed) and just do the basic tweet/fb/browse for porn (erm?)/ play music/txt etc... I think you would be fine.
But.. if your not comfortable flashing ROM's and realize that your going to be voiding your warranty as soon as you do. Then don't do it and wait for OTA.
And I can't imagine that the OTA would be any better or feature rich then Cognition's 2.2.X beta.
Btw.... you listed
"3. no more android keyboard"
DG added it into the latest build.
CON: ATT address book doesnt work.
PRO: better battery life.
Pro: Cognition any version
Con: You won't get anything done because you're playing with your phone too much!
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6. after flashing couple of times from reverting to eclair to froyo will ban you from andriod market and the phone will state that there is no sim even if there is one inserted
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Is there anyone that can elaborate a little bit? That kind of scares me
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Is there anyone that can elaborate a little bit? That kind of scares me
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I have not heard of this problem before. I will do some checking on it but sounds like he is a noob that is looking into anything that can possibly go wrong. Also sounds like whoever originally posted that problem most likely had no idea what they were doing and flashed 2.2 wrong even though I do not know how that is possible. I have flashed back and forth since SRE and have done so for each Cog build to keep current. Phone works amazingly, GPS is flawless and is the fastest phone I have ever owned. Go Cognition!!
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Hi guys Im new to this thread and I've been reading the whole treads for like 3 days and for some reason im getting confused about the pros and cons so I just want to ask if my understanding about the froyo leak flash with odin3 is correct. If there is something else that i forgot to mention that is really important please remind me before i flash my new captivate
PRos:
1. flash 10.1 on browser
2. JIt compliler
3. no need to root the phone
4. can save apps on sd card
5. GPs more accurate
6. can still be root
Cons:
1. unlocked code from 2.1 eclair to use other sim will not work anymore
2. IMEI number will change and impossible to retrived unless you send them back to samsung?
3. no more android keyboard
4. void the warranty?
5. updating through OTA will not work anymore after reverting from froyo 2.2 leak to the stock 2.1 eclair by using odin3
6. after flashing couple of times from reverting to eclair to froyo will ban you from andriod market and the phone will state that there is no sim even if there is one inserted
7. lag issues
This is my first time to have an android phone so im totally noob and no idea yet and a little scared of making mistake. Also if i root my phone will i be able to unroot it again in case i want to return back the phone to at&t? Thank you in advance
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DON'T DO IT!!!! wait for the Official release, this is a leaked..aka stolen version of froyo, you will void your warrenty. If you still want to do it after what i said keep in mind that when the Official release of froyo comes out and ATT wants to do an over the air (OTA) update, the ATT server will not recognize your phones firmware any more so you won't be able to get the update of the leagle version of froyo. This leaked...or stolen version is full of glitches don't download it.
ok seriously, its not going to void your warranty if u revert back to stock using the easy 1 click restore by odin...ive sent mine back once i was running cognition 2.2 and they had no problem exchanging it. the leaked version is NOT NOT NOT NOT full of glitches, it works perfectly and i have yet to find a problem with it! so dont talk here unless u knwo what u are talking about buddy
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ok seriously, its not going to void your warranty if u revert back to stock using the easy 1 click restore by odin...ive sent mine back once i was running cognition 2.2 and they had no problem exchanging it. the leaked version is NOT NOT NOT NOT full of glitches, it works perfectly and i have yet to find a problem with it! so dont talk here unless u knwo what u are talking about buddy
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Number 1 im not your buddy sir...number two it is glitch ridden and thats been posted all over the internet. As well as an att bulletin that was release...maybe you need to do a little more studying "buster". Check out the ATT bulletin and it will advise as well as other xda-developers not to install as this is not the final version but it is a stolen version and as with all stolen merchandise there are issues once recieved by the poor sucker who bought it. Once you down load this froyo stolen version 80% of the android market will not recognize your phone so apps that you had previously won't be available anymore. And yes as quoted by ATT this will void your warranty so download at your own risk "Pal"
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Number 1 im not your buddy sir...number two it is glitch ridden and thats been posted all over the internet. As well as an att bulletin that was release...maybe you need to do a little more studying "buster". Check out the ATT bulletin and it will advise as well as other xda-developers not to install as this is not the final version but it is a stolen version and as with all stolen merchandise there are issues once recieved by the poor sucker who bought it. Once you down load this froyo stolen version 80% of the android market will not recognize your phone so apps that you had previously won't be available anymore. And yes as quoted by ATT this will void your warranty so download at your own risk "Pal"
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you, 'SIR', are a plethora of misinformation....i love reading your posts. keep up the entertaining posts!
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you, 'SIR', are a plethora of misinformation....i love reading your posts. keep up the entertaining posts!
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And you "Young Lady" are and plethora of misleading post as well.
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And you "Young Lady" are and plethora of misleading post as well.
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i am offended that you would call me a young lady. thank you for your moronic ability to be a douche.
i am waiting for your classic 'your mom' one-liners.
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Number 1 im not your buddy sir...number two it is glitch ridden and thats been posted all over the internet. As well as an att bulletin that was release...maybe you need to do a little more studying "buster". Check out the ATT bulletin and it will advise as well as other xda-developers not to install as this is not the final version but it is a stolen version and as with all stolen merchandise there are issues once recieved by the poor sucker who bought it. Once you down load this froyo stolen version 80% of the android market will not recognize your phone so apps that you had previously won't be available anymore. And yes as quoted by ATT this will void your warranty so download at your own risk "Pal"
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I've been using 2.2 since like a couple days it was released. * touchwood* so far all I noticed is that my battery performance is better. I don't even know what "glitches" u r talking about.
Before u say some software is glitchy, please be specific atleast for a few of them. And an FYI, not having android keyboard is not a glitch.
EDIT:
I got my first Captivate right on the 2nd day of its release. I exchanged it for another in 2 weeks due to battery issues. I rooted, n then flashed back to stock and returned. No question of warranty loss if you know how to revert back to stock.
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DON'T DO IT!!!! wait for the Official release, this is a leaked..aka stolen version of froyo, you will void your warrenty. If you still want to do it after what i said keep in mind that when the Official release of froyo comes out and ATT wants to do an over the air (OTA) update, the ATT server will not recognize your phones firmware any more so you won't be able to get the update of the leagle version of froyo. This leaked...or stolen version is full of glitches don't download it.
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ahaha wow this is seriously entertaining! Hopefully you continue as i needed a good laugh today.
I have been on the froyo LEAK since the day after it popped up and it has been much more stable than any version of eclair EVER was. This is the whole point of xda....you can go hang out with all the newbs at androidforums or something and preach about how dangerous it is and stick with eclair.
you have no clue if it is stolen. How do you know samsung didn't release this on purpose to get feedback?? I would never listen to a word ATT says they are a joke. Its people like you that need to just keep their mouth shut you obviously have yet to flash so how can you preach about how it is 'full of glitches' haha.
oh and its really hard to odin back to stock to get the official update.
I did not know that 80% of the market is not supposed to recognize my phone any more. Somebody should let the market know. Maybe now that I know 89% of the market is not supposed to work it will now quit working. Oh no! as I am typing this 93% of the market just disappeared from my cappy!
And by the way, if I get caught with stolen software in my possession - i'm turning all of you all in!
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I did not know that 80% of the market is not supposed to recognize my phone any more. Somebody should let the market know. Maybe now that I know 89% of the market is not supposed to work it will now quit working. Oh no! as I am typing this 93% of the market just disappeared from my cappy!
And by the way, if I get caught with stolen software in my possession - i'm turning all of you all in!
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60% of the time, it works everytime
Pirateghost said:
60% of the time, it works everytime
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Sex Panther - that stuff is not even legal in the U.S.!!!
dayv said:
I did not know that 80% of the market is not supposed to recognize my phone any more. Somebody should let the market know. Maybe now that I know 89% of the market is not supposed to work it will now quit working. Oh no! as I am typing this 93% of the market just disappeared from my cappy!
And by the way, if I get caught with stolen software in my possession - i'm turning all of you all in!
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It's a leaked rom, which means that someone decided to release this...why are so many people interested in having their phones flashed back to eclair if this leaked rom is so much better? I don't understand...If I own a ford and decide to buy a toyota and it's a much better car...why would i go back to a ford? That's moving backwards right?
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It's a leaked rom, which means that someone decided to release this...why are so many people interested in having their phones flashed back to eclair if this leaked rom is so much better? I don't understand...If I own a ford and decide to buy a toyota and it's a much better car...why would i go back to a ford? That's moving backwards right?
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id definatly buy a ford over a toyota right now. toyota is overrated and ford is moving up. really drive one before you speak.
ok froyo has market issues right now do to presumably the android id. it has many new gui features and is much faster and in my experiance better battery life. so if you cant deal with the market errors wait for an official release. that is why many are going back. that and some of us are addicted to flashing our phones every 48 hours.
Ok so Im no genius like most of u are in here, but this is my 3rd HTC device and the only one which doesnt have root or custom roms so far. I just wanted to ask if you guys believe that there will be root for s-off or custom roms any sooner or is it wort hit just to buy an Atrix?? I need your opinion, please and thank you?
P.S: If any of you don't feel like answering or sharing your opinion & wanna be a smart-bottom by directing me to a link or by asking me to google it my humble request is to keep ur 0.2cents to yourself & learn to be humble and caring. Thanks.
yes. and if you had read through threads about root then you would already know that s-off IS devices have been rooted some time ago. custom roms are around but very few and not very good. the problem is getting s-off for root available for for those of us who dont have s-off by default or have access to an xtc clip to s-off our IS's.
p.s. nothings impossible on xda dev ^o^
p.p.s. if you dont need the power then considering IS gingerbread update is flowing out now id say its more than enough. unless ofcourse your given an awsome deal on the atrix
Remember that Incredible 2 is out now and is amajor phone on Verizon. This will be a popular phone and I have faith that XDA members here will find a way to put S-Off.
I sure hope someone takes it upon themselves to get the Incredible 2/S off the ground. I love the phone, solid as a rock, and fast, but I'd really like to eventually be able to over/undervolt, flash minus-bloatware roms, etc.
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Ok so Im no genius like most of u are in here, but this is my 3rd HTC device and the only one which doesnt have root or custom roms so far. I just wanted to ask if you guys believe that there will be root for s-off or custom roms any sooner or is it wort hit just to buy an Atrix?? I need your opinion, please and thank you?
P.S: If any of you don't feel like answering or sharing your opinion & wanna be a smart-bottom by directing me to a link or by asking me to google it my humble request is to keep ur 0.2cents to yourself & learn to be humble and caring. Thanks.
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Upgrade to Gingerbread and run Gingerbreak. There you go.. root!!
I used SOC-1.9.x with factory 2.2.1 and it worked out. But the Superuser kept crashing while root permissions were being asked by apps. Found a workaround: cleaning the Superuser data each time I wanted to run an app.. but that's lame.
I'm in the same boat as the op... will be upgrading in the next month and with BELL... so the only 2 phones im looking are the incredible or the atrix...
i like htc and if i get the IS, this will be my 3rd htc with sleak UI and stable without too much bloatware and standard hardware ( by today's std ) , no root as of yet.
vs the atrix top of the line hardware and futureproof ( well at least for the next yr before new lines of multicores phones) but major bloatware which cannot be uninstalled, locked bootloader so cant get rid of those bloatwares.. apparently some ppl experiencing lags (something which i would never believe until i saw some videos) with the live wallpaper...
At this point, i would tend to get the IS but if both can be flashed with a custom rom ( ie. without motoblur **** ), i would jump on the atrix
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Upgrade to Gingerbread and run Gingerbreak. There you go.. root!!
I used SOC-1.9.x with factory 2.2.1 and it worked out. But the Superuser kept crashing while root permissions were being asked by apps. Found a workaround: cleaning the Superuser data each time I wanted to run an app.. but that's lame.
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are you referring to rooting the atrix?
the biggest problem we will find is that although the device is popular, it's a midrange android device, and many of the developers are not picking it up to work on it. after all when there are high end devices around the corner, why would they?
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the biggest problem we will find is that although the device is popular, it's a midrange android device, and many of the developers are not picking it up to work on it. after all when there are high end devices around the corner, why would they?
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Right. There's a few problems:
1) Lots are holding out on Sensation
2) IS is a midrange device making it only semipopular. HTC has a solid lineup, but this divides forces. If you take Samsung where they had the SGS 1 and SGS2 this year, that's basically their main lineup. Expect concentrated development, but I don't know what to expect here.
3) Not sure for me whether I should pick up an IS or wait for Sensation. I'd have to wait for an 850/1900 sensation and nothing's even announced yet... so given that it's usually a minimal 3 months delay, I won't be getting this phone til close to Christmas I bet.... sigh.
Basically we're in no mans land.
mindas69 said:
Upgrade to Gingerbread and run Gingerbreak. There you go.. root!!
I used SOC-1.9.x with factory 2.2.1 and it worked out. But the Superuser kept crashing while root permissions were being asked by apps. Found a workaround: cleaning the Superuser data each time I wanted to run an app.. but that's lame.
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If your phone is S-On, the Gingerbreak don't give you ROOT, even if you upgraded to the official 2.3 Ginderbread.
To get S-Off you need a XTC-Clips.
thanks for all your opinions fellas! for the sights and sound feels like IS didn't appeal alot to the devs so Im guessing there wont be any development on IS, so it seems wise to say good bye to IS until a new HTC device comes out & perhaps its time to say hello to the Atrix as it's got custom rom and it was rooted before it even came out. But Thanks anyways,...Imma put up my phone for sale, Im in Toronto, Canada If any one interested please PM me. Thanks.
Honestly, I'm not sure what all the *****in' for an XT860 forum is all about. Do we really need a lot of space to discuss all the dev that doesn't work on our phones? I'm sure one thread is enough. That way, maybe all the d3 users can get some peace from us constantly asking about compatibility.
Maybe, as a public service, all the d3 devs could stop in here after they've produced the next great ROM, and just let us know (without laughing) that NO, this will NOT work with your phone.
Ah...I feel better now.
Sent from my XT860 using xda premium
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Honestly, I'm not sure what all the *****in' for an XT860 forum is all about. Do we really need a lot of space to discuss all the dev that doesn't work on our phones? I'm sure one thread is enough. That way, maybe all the d3 users can get some peace from us constantly asking about compatibility.
Maybe, as a public service, all the d3 devs could stop in here after they've produced the next great ROM, and just let us know (without laughing) that NO, this will NOT work with your phone.
Ah...I feel better now.
Sent from my XT860 using xda premium
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Venting feels great eh? Haha I'm sorry I cant relate to your problems (XT862 user) But I wish you luck on future ROM's being developed!
*subscribe*
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Oh well. The thing is that Bell should just come with an update so devs can start. Wonder if Bell is waiting for ICS to update instead of updating now and then having to update again for ICS???
But yeah where is the freaking update. Maybe some Canadian people know more about it ????
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Venting feels great eh? Haha I'm sorry I cant relate to your problems (XT862 user) But I wish you luck on future ROM's being developed!
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...it just gets frustrating. The D3, if you include the leaked 5.7.894, is now two updates ahead of us...and we're stuck on what...er...windows 3.1?
There's also a level of frustration with myself. After all, with alternate launchers, UOT kitchen, root, debloating, its not like its a bad phone..I guess I just have the patience level of the average 3 year old.
Just to be clear, once we get an update then someone can get an sbf from that? Or am I totally out to lunch...remember, I'm the guy who has a flashing clock on his vcr. VCR....video cassette recorder? Never mind kiddies.
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...it just gets frustrating. The D3, if you include the leaked 5.7.894, is now two updates ahead of us...and we're stuck on what...er...windows 3.1?
There's also a level of frustration with myself. After all, with alternate launchers, UOT kitchen, root, debloating, its not like its a bad phone..I guess I just have the patience level of the average 3 year old.
Just to be clear, once we get an update then someone can get an sbf from that? Or am I totally out to lunch...remember, I'm the guy who has a flashing clock on his vcr. VCR....video cassette recorder? Never mind kiddies.
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It still has some major glitches in my opinion that Motorola should have already fixed for us. I asked bell and was told the updates come from the manufacturer. I'm still waiting to hear back from Motorola, despite the 24 hour for a response auto reply I got. While ROMs would be nice, the cell standby, slow camera and buggy keyboard are all issues that Motorola should have addressed already imho
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It still has some major glitches in my opinion that Motorola should have already fixed for us. I asked bell and was told the updates come from the manufacturer. I'm still waiting to hear back from Motorola, despite the 24 hour for a response auto reply I got. While ROMs would be nice, the cell standby, slow camera and buggy keyboard are all issues that Motorola should have addressed already imho
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Well I once e-mailed motorola canada with questions about the XT860 - haven't heard from them since (it's been weeks). So don't get your hopes up
I completely agree with you Endroid. I am also curious about one other thing... Lets say I wanted my phone in french, how would I be able to convert it over, or vice versa? Maybe we could get an SBF out of it???
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I completely agree with you Endroid. I am also curious about one other thing... Lets say I wanted my phone in french, how would I be able to convert it over, or vice versa? Maybe we could get an SBF out of it???
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Settings>language and keyboard>select locale.
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Weird bug I just noticed... I did that and changed to French, back to English, then to Spanish, then to English and I noticed that my message icon for my Exchange account changed colours...
Yeah my gf has the XT860 and she's not very happy with it. Part of that is because it's more complicated than her 3GS, but part of that is also because there are a number of bugs and it's laggy at times. Tons of bloatware.
At least if we had some way of loading our own ROMs I could fix some of that for her.
I know that my stock AT&T Captivate was a piece of crap. It wasn't until I installed Cyanogen Mod that I had something useful.
I truly apologize for the inconvenience that you are experiencing at this time. What issues are you experiencing with the unit? Unfortunately, there is not an update scheduled to be released at this time and we do not have any information as to when one will become available. You can check our site for future updates. I truly understand your frustration and I apologize again for the inconvenience. If you need further assistance please contact Customer Care at the following number (800) 461-4575. Thank you for your continued patience.
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/CA-EN/Home
Sincerely, Latasha Customer By Web Form (Marc Laferriere) 11/06/2011 07:40 PM I am the owner of a XT860 4G, which i am beginning to regret. The phone has numerous issues and bugs, which i'm sure Motorola is aware of, as pretty much all of these issues were fixed in the recent update to the XT862 (5.6.890). I have previously contacted Morotola about this and was told that there currently is no update and there is no information pertaining to one. Now i see that there is yet another update coming for the XT862(an unofficial leak, however that means that one will be released soon) yet still nothing for the XT860. The lack of support for this device is offensive to me. When i purchase a device i expect that it will be supported for at least a few years. As it stands i would not purchase nor recommend Motorola products. So again i ask, is an update for the XT860 forthcoming, or should i be looking for a device that will actually see some support.
Thanking you in advance Marc
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I just want a fix for the battery life, 12 hours is unacceptable ...
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I just want a fix for the battery life, 12 hours is unacceptable ...
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Hell I don't even get that. Granted I could make some changes to improve my battery life such as turning off background data but then what's the point of having a smartphone. 6-10 depending on my usage
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Great post, Endoroid. As doom and gloom as the lettter appears, its still possible that the letter is simply holding to company policy of not releasing info until its ready to be released. That's what I'm gonna tell myself anyway.
Its been said before somewhere, but I'll re-iterate, never ever buy a country specific phone like this...unless you are happy with the stock experience.
I'm very happy I didn't actually pay for this baby, having won it in one of Mobile Syrups giveaways.
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Endroid,
Can you go to Bell and have them talk to Motorola regarding these issues? Unfortunately I'm not on their service so I don't have as much leverage as someone like you would...
Endoroid said:
Hell I don't even get that. Granted I could make some changes to improve my battery life such as turning off background data but then what's the point of having a smartphone. 6-10 depending on my usage
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Wow guys I'm sorry. My droid 3 can get almost 3 days if I use it sparingly.. I wish you guys could use our system updates..
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Endroid,
Can you go to Bell and have them talk to Motorola regarding these issues? Unfortunately I'm not on their service so I don't have as much leverage as someone like you would...
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I'm out of country the next week but when I return I plan on also contacting bell and escalating with Motorola. I have been into a bell store but the sales reps are pretty useless for this.
I mean honestly, given the similarities between the 2 phones I don't understand why we wouldn't receive updates around the same time as d3. It should be easy enough for Motorola to modify the update to apply to our device
Grrrr
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Yeah yeah, Rub it in lol.
Well sad news for the Bell users for sure.
Huh, we don't even recovery to get back to stock if things go wrong.
I heard Motorola issues updates based on phone popularity/user base. If this is true, it will be awhile before we see any updates. XT860 has the same bugs, if not even more like D3 with original release firmware. D3 is now getting second OTA while we have not even heard about first one to address these obvious bugs. If we look back at Milestone 2, to compare to Droid 2 Global which took 8 months to get GB upgrade, M2 has not yet received it.
Things don't look good with XT860 in this aspect for sure.
Lets hope Motorola will prove me wrong!
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Ok so I purchased note 3 at full retail price from att without doing any research. I need custom rom for sure. So should return the att version and get the tmobile version and unlock or do I have some hope of a dev figuring it out. What would you guys have me do. Plz dont say endure master wayne.
I'd return the ATT version and buy the unlocked version
Is there any downside to this other than the voided warranty which is basic. Plz I need some more opinions on this topic any input will be much appreciated even if it is to return it completely and switch to walkie talkie.
If you need something now return it for the T Mobile, but it will void your warranty. The current AT&T root de la vega doesn't void your warranty because it doesn't trip the knox flag, but there are no custom roms. I would bet at some point we will be able to load safestrap with the root de la vega and be able to run custom roms without breaking the warranty on AT&T models, but safestrap is a little more limited than really flashing a ROM and it isn't done yet so there is no guarantee. If they do unlock the AT&T bootloader and we can do a real ROM flash, that will also probably void the warranty and will probably trip the knox flag .. but none of that is known for sure right now or if it will ever be done.
It really depends how fast you need to be able to flash it and how much your warranty matters to you.
I have faith. Where there is a will there is a way. There is too much of a demand for it. Either att will unlock it or the bounty will motivate a dev(s) to figure it out.
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Also I can't think of anything a custom rom will offer that you can't wait a month or two for
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I had a Motorola photon on sprint with a locked bootloader. No one ever figured it out
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I had a Motorola photon on sprint with a locked bootloader. No one ever figured it out
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Because no one cared about that phone
Ya know I thought this same thing, but you can modify just about everything through Xposed/wanam you could with a custom rom (status bar icon colors, notification background trans, remove carrier label, battery icon, hold back to kill app, toggle background colors, toggle text colors and the list goes on and on. Even on power saving mode this hardware/phone blows the most modded to the max note 2 out of the water.
Well for starters don't title your thread like an 8 year old who is on fire, that's just rude.
Secondly, the "more opinions" that you desire are discussed over and over in vast depth and in a varitable cornucopia of considerations in nearly every thread on this forum. The pros and cons of tmo now - vs- att later is proposed to a nauseating degree. In other words, spend 30 minutes reading and you will get more than the few comments that you ask for.
Thirdly, decide concretely if what you want from your phone can only be achieved through a custom recovery and rom. There are, as previously stated, numerous ways to change a lot about this phone even with the locked bootloader, but you should seriously consider the strong possibility that it will never be unlocked.
And lastly, take a minute to research the cons of using a tmo note on the att network... There may be none, they may be vast.
Read, read, read.
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I have read through many thread about almost every topic u just said. I m just asking for peoples opinion nothing else. Opinions r a way I can calm myself down a little n relax. Thanks.
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Ok so I purchased note 3 at full retail price from att without doing any research. I need custom rom for sure. So should return the att version and get the tmobile version and unlock or do I have some hope of a dev figuring it out. What would you guys have me do. Plz dont say endure master wayne.
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Depends on how fast you need to be able to flash a custom ROM. (Though I don't really understand an absolute NEED to flash a custom ROM as opposed to just WANTING to flash one.) If you need it quickly, return it, eat the $35 restock fee and buy it unlocked.
Out of morbid curiosity, why do you NEED to put a custom ROM on this? As long as we have root you can do almost anything. Just my opinion.
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I would say eventually there will be a custom ROM and boot loader unlock however not today or tomorrow these things take time. If you dont have patiencr, aren't willing to out money toward developers to build , or do some developing yourself maybe iPhone is a better route.
Not sure about about T-Mobile and its custom ROMs , I wouldn't rush into flashing ROMs til they been tested because you will be doing a lot of debugging
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You guys r perfectly right, dam my brain does not work sometimes when I need something right away. I just dont wanna be stuck with touchwiz for too long bcz I ll get tired of it quick. But the tw on note 3 is bearable for me until something gets worked out so I will just stick to what I have. I didnt even think about xposed at all most of the features i need r hopefully there. Thanks everyone for ur opinions cause u guys really helped me out. So I will be rooting my device tmorrow. Wish me lucks.
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I have read through many thread about almost every topic u just said. I m just asking for peoples opinion nothing else. Opinions r a way I can calm myself down a little n relax. Thanks.
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Well I'm in the same boat as you, I just bought the att n3 and didn't do my due diligence and am now considering taking it back for the tmo n3.
Im leaning towards keeping it for 3 reasons...
1. I have faith that the bootloader will be unlocked by some very ingenious man who, upon completion, shall drink copious amounts of beer on my dime.
2. I've heard all the success stories of tmo on att network and I'm left with doubt that I will have as good of coverage that I want/need/demand/deserve given my station in life.
3. I don't think that I can't make my phone 99% perfect with root + exposed framework and all that comes out of that. Though I am a flashaholic, I'm seeing less and less need to do so with this device. It has all the features I want and once I'm rooted I can freeze any bloat ware whilst tweaking my personal particulars.
Now make a personal assessment about what you want/need from your device and put some of personal thought into it.
And edit the title of your post already.
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You guys r perfectly right, dam my brain does not work sometimes when I need something right away. I just dont wanna be stuck with touchwiz for too long bcz I ll get tired of it quick. But the tw on note 3 is bearable for me until something gets worked out so I will just stick to what I have. I didnt even think about xposed at all most of the features i need r hopefully there. Thanks everyone for ur opinions cause u guys really helped me out. So I will be rooting my device tmorrow. Wish me lucks.
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If you get sick of touchwiz there are plenty of other launchers out there that will theme your TW to look like AOSP/AOKP ect. :good:
sticking to the att note 3
Yea I m sticking to to att version of note 3. I ll work with touchwiz for now. Hopefully something happens with the bootloader. Thanks everyone.
If I were you id return it get the tmobile one. If your within the window eat the $35 to have the reassurance of not having to hope for an unlocked bootloader. Are you going to flash roms? Maybe yes maybe no. Will there be a bootloader unlock / exploit? Maybe yes maybe no. But for $35 id pay that to have an option to whether I choose to or not. For me I returned my tmobile note 3 purchased out right cause I bought my friends for $600. For $150 its not worth it
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Because no one cared about that phone
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Epic... Lol
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Not going to be a popular opinion here, but here it goes anyway. When I first started using Android phones, I was switching ROMs almost every other day. Lately I've gotten bored with it. I haven't loaded a custom rom on my last 3 phones. As long as I can root it, I'm good to go. As was said earlier in this thread, most of the mods that customs offer can be done yourself with a little work (and without the minor bugs that always come with custom roms). I just don't see a compelling reason to switch roms at this point. Even if you hate TW, just change your launcher (first thing I always do anyway).
Now, there are SOME reasons to hope the bootloader gets unlocked. Swapping out kernals, radios, etc. But none of that is really essential for me.
I came to this phone knowing full well (having researched) the bootloader was locked and further, being sort of a niche device, developer support might be light (although we lucked out with DG). But I knew it would get rooted, and that was enough for me.
My advice would be, if you absolutely must have custom roms, return it and get the tmo. We may well never get the bootloader unlocked and if that is a must for you, then it seems you have little choice.
switched to tmobile.
Yea I couldnt take it anymore. I went ahead and jumped out the window. Got the tmobile and got it unlocked and rooted. So far everything is working amazing. Lte at 15 mb but I think its bcz of the area. I was scared that I would be getting ****ty service but this is working out better than I thought. I am at 3 to 4 bars all the time. Havent seen it drop yet. I originally bought it retail price so it makes sense for me to do this.