Hi guys,
I would like you all to take a look at the program Ultimate Theft Alert v3 (http://www.pocketpc-live.com/ultimate-theft-alert-v3-for-pocket-pcs-2.html).
This program is an anti-theft program for your WM5 Device.
I was one of the 1st users of it and since then it made much improvement and has some real cool feautures (the developer is someone that actually listens to his customers!).
When a new (unregistred in the program) SIM Card is entered in your device the program sends 2 Text Messages to a predifined number (you can add more numbers). One text message has a predifined message (that you can adjust in the program) and the 2nd text message sends the IMSI number of the SIM Card to your device.
The program has 2 extra plug-ins for now:
1) Doing a hard-reset after inserting a non-registred SIM Card
2) Copy all the SIM Cards contacts to the predifined number(s)
This program is in my opinion the most perfect anti theft alert for your device!!
Just check it out....
Regards,
Molski
p.s. UTA v3 only costs $12,99 ....in my opinion very cheap for a $400 device
Damm - Wish I'd seen this a week or two ago!
This sucks.
My phone was stolen 2 days ago by some loser, and all my data, hacks, tweaks, and software on it has to be reinstalled (of course) . What really P's me off though, is that I have no clue who took it, and I'd really like to be able to get back at the jerk for stealing it. Sigh. Well, I have my new replacement (Cingular shipped it FedEx yesterday and it arrived today), so I have to get busy w/ it and getting it set up. Thankfully, it is a G3, like my old phone.
Black-Wolf
Black-wolf said:
This sucks.
My phone was stolen 2 days ago by some loser, and all my data, hacks, tweaks, and software on it has to be reinstalled (of course) . What really P's me off though, is that I have no clue who took it, and I'd really like to be able to get back at the jerk for stealing it. Sigh. Well, I have my new replacement (Cingular shipped it FedEx yesterday and it arrived today), so I have to get busy w/ it and getting it set up. Thankfully, it is a G3, like my old phone.
Black-Wolf
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Then you sure can imagine how important software like this can be!
I'm glad you got a replacement Wizard (and also am glad because it's a G3 ).
I like UTA a lot and build my own cab for it and included it in my ExtRom, so after a hard-reset it's installed automatically
Molski
i have ultimate protect on my phone. and i like. its pretty good.
Black-wolf said:
This sucks.
My phone was stolen 2 days ago by some loser, and all my data, hacks, tweaks, and software on it has to be reinstalled (of course) . What really P's me off though, is that I have no clue who took it, and I'd really like to be able to get back at the jerk for stealing it. Sigh. Well, I have my new replacement (Cingular shipped it FedEx yesterday and it arrived today), so I have to get busy w/ it and getting it set up. Thankfully, it is a G3, like my old phone.
Black-Wolf
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How did it get stolen? If you don't mind me asking?
Im curious... What would you be able to do with the information from the program in the event that your PDA is stolen??? What are the chances of getting it back???
Revenge?
If the program uses the new SIM to send SMS to a number you specified, and passes any phone numbers held in that SIM as part of the mesage content, then you have the phone number of the thief and all his contacts!
You could call him up and ask for your phone back.
You could call all his contacts and ask them to persuade him to give your phone back.
You also get the IMSI number of the SIM card. This is what network operators use to block stolen phones. You may be able to persuade the operator to block the thief's SIM.
Few problems I noticed
1) I can't delete a SIM card Number from the list.
2) Except for the Hard Reset Option under EXTRAS, everything else is greyed out including "Send SIM Contacts and CALL LOG Details"
3) I know how to add this to the Ext. ROM but do I add the UTA.exe file under Windows to it or the Installation CAB. Also where is the DATA file located, the one that holds the SIM card entries and the Alert SMS Numbers?
this program has an option for you to install into ext rom?
cuz it states it can survive a hard reset.
thanks!
Guys, how do you add it to the EXT rom? please assist.
on WM6 (schaps 3.30c german) UTA 3 pops up an error when inserting an unregistered simcard. "systemeigene ausnahme...." somekind of exception error. The sms is beeing sent - but the thief would see the errormessage.
Any suggestions?
Uninstalling
To all the techies,
Could anyone please let me know how to uninstall the ultimate theft alert as i want to format my storage card. If I format it will there be any stray files left on my device memory and if yes then could it confict with the phone.
Thanks
TK
that is an amazing idea i will be checking it out that seems very smart and im willing to bet with my silly brain i will misplace my wizard for sure haha
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Guys, how do you add it to the EXT rom? please assist.
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Good morning, I've found this tutorial on their forum:
> http://pocketpc-live.com/help-and-support/1461-extended-rom-installation-v35.html
"Extended ROM Installation [v35!]
If you would like to know what's Extended ROM, read my article here.
Please note that Extended ROM installation is not possible on all devices. Different devices use a different Autorun Method. Autorun is sometimes a small application that tells the device what softwares need to be installed in what order automatically after a hard-reset. Some have a feature of copying files whereas the others stimulate cab files to be installed.
Before you proceed, its advised to know what are the files and in what locations should they be for the software to work.
In Windows folder:
UTAv35.exe - Core Module
Tapilib.dll - Resource Library File
Uta_confige.dll - Configurations File
Rdui.dat - Registration File
VbLocation.dll - Resource Library File
Uta_adn2.0.exe - Core Add-on Module
In Windows/StartUp folder:
UTAv35.lnk - Shortcut to core module
The above files when in place, the software will work as registered/activated and with configurations! Depending upon your device, you need to make these files available in place, either via custom cab file created with third-party softwares such as WinCE Cab Manager or via Direct Copy file method from Extended ROM after Unlocking it!
In some devices, the stupid signing security warning appears, preventing to start the application directly. In that case, additionally you need install this file http://www.PocketPC-Live.com/ds.cab Through Extended ROM installation in the first place.
Good news for forum users: If you have your posts count over 50, we shall help you make the custom cab file ourselves Happy participating... Even if your post count is below 50, don't worry, we will always try helping you with your queries here. Just reply to this topic and we shall be glad to assist you further.
Best Regards,
NiCK Carty, CEO,
CartyStudios Corp. www.PocketPC-Live.com"
When I try to connect to the Goodlink server (corp email) with WM6, it says that my device is not supported at this time.
Do you guys know if Good Link is supported on WM6? If so, is there a special installer somewhere that is not on the Good Link website? If there is not, is there something I can do to make Good Link think it is on a WM5 OS?
Thanks for any help !!!
Does anyone have any more info on this issue?
We are experiencing some issues with WM6 and getting GoodLink on it.
One person was able to get GoogLink to work by doing a restore using a 3rd party app. But new installations of Good do not allow it to be installed because it does not recognize the handheld (OS, i'm sure).
Anyone know if there is a workaround? Registry tweak? Or just wait for a new version of Good to be released by Motorola-Good that supports WM6?
BTW, although its the same issue, were talking about WM6 on the HERMES device.
"One person was able to get GoodLink to work by doing a restore using a 3rd party app. But new installations of Good do not allow it to be installed because it does not recognize the handheld (OS, i'm sure)."
Hold on, how did this person do that? And we are talking about on WM6, right? Can you direct me to the thread or give me directions, please?
Yes, this is on WM6 and HTC HERMES, like I said in my post. The BACKUP was done while the phone still had WM5 and the RESTORE was done while the phone had WM6.
As far as what app was used, I do not know, I believe it was some 3rd party app that backs up and restores your apps/data, look around in the forums.
I tried the 'dirty fix'. Wow, when they said dirty, they meant it !!! the phone crashes every other second and you get error messages and freezes with every button you hit. I'll remember your user name and will pm you if I ever find a fix or see goodlink for wm6. Please do the same
Motorola-Good released version 4.9.3 (which according to an email from a Good rep, is supposed to support WM6)
I downloaded it but am still having trouble getting it to install on WM6.
I'm posting the link to Good 4.9.3 in case anyone would like to see if they can figure it out.
http://customerportal.good.com/techSupport.php?id=70
Use the last download button on the page, the SD installation version. The others are for the server.
did I miss something? i dont see where it says it supports wm6.
Edit: okay, I read slow. Never mind...a rep said this via email. I'll try it again
Same here on 8525 Cingular, I tried the GetGoodLinkPPC2005.cab & GLPackage2005.cab with no luck, when it does the Over the air setup it comes up with the error that its not compatible with the OS
UPDATE: For those that want to upgrade to WM6 and need to run GoodLink YOU MUST FIRST DO A GoodLink Backup from the Good Options on WM5!!, do it on the memory card and after you upgrade to WM6 you will find a file on the root of the card to restore GoodLink, what i do is connect to my wifi at home first then i do the update and IT WORKS I now have WM6 and GoodLink Good Mobile Messaging v4.9.2.30_EN on my 8525
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UPDATE: For those that want to upgrade to WM6 and need to run GoodLink YOU MUST FIRST DO A GoodLink Backup from the Good Options on WM5!!, do it on the memory card and after you upgrade to WM6 you will find a file on the root of the card to restore GoodLink, what i do is connect to my wifi at home first then i do the update and IT WORKS I now have WM6 and GoodLink Good Mobile Messaging v4.9.2.30_EN on my 8525
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I can confirm that this does indeed work with my 8525. However, I am experiencing delays in receiving emails on wm6. Sometimes they take 1 minute or less to arrive, other times they can take several minutes. This is a huge problem considering my organization pays to have no-latency email.
Uh oh... I think I found a deal breaker. I'm not receiving ANY mails, or seeing old mails, in subdirs.
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I can confirm that this does indeed work with my 8525. However, I am experiencing delays in receiving emails on wm6. Sometimes they take 1 minute or less to arrive, other times they can take several minutes. This is a huge problem considering my organization pays to have no-latency email.
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I was having delays on WM5 so this is no news to me, not all the time but i did notice it, cant say the same for WM6 yet, overall it runs great, and much faster.
I'm curious what others have to say. Goodlink was so sluggish that I actually had to revert to WM5. I wasn't receiving mails that were automatically pushed to subdirs by Exchange rules and emails that did come in were coming in extremely sporadically.
It runs 100% on mine, no lag or delays here, it seems faster then on WM5 and this might be due to the fact that the OS is so much faster....
Goodlink working with WM6 & Wizard 8125
I did a backup in WM5 and did a restore after WM6 ROM Update. It works like a charm. My only problem now is that it did not make Goodlink contacts as the default one so I'm not getting any contacts in the phone dialer. I think I'm still using the v4.8.1.14_EN.
Just a quick note from a Hermes/8525 user ... Goodlink is working fine on all of the cooked WM6 Roms that are floating around for that device ... most of us first (in WM5) did a goodlink backup to the SD card, then we were able to "restore from backup" once WM6 was installed, without a problem. Known isssues at the moment once you have it up and running are:
No full integration with Dialer (the contacts button now reverts to outlook contacts, not goodlink contacts)
Auto Complete feature in WM6 does not work correctly within Goodlink Apps
Otherwise, seems to be working fine ... and just as fast as before (I still get my goodlink emails faster than I get them on my desktop computer in my office)
Good on WM6
Good version 4.9.3.34 and above will run on most WM6 devices. However, only your administrator can push this out to you via the Good Management Console (you can't control what version you get) so you will need to persuade whoever runs your Good server to push the very latest version. It doesn't matter what OTASetup file you get, it is always the Good server that decides what client build you get.
If you are getting the 'Device not supported' message then chances are your Good Admin is _not_ pushing the latest 4.9.3.34 or above version to your device. If you are getting a different message about the serial number, IMSI, etc. then it may be your device will just not run it.
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For Good Admins:
In order to push the latest client you can simply change the version of the client you are deploying by:
1. Opening the Management Console
2. Clicking on the User Groups folder (in the left hand pane)
3. Right clicking on the ‘All Users’ group (for example)
4. Choosing ‘Manage Group’ from the drop down.
5. Clicking on the ‘Edit Group Software…’ button
6. Selecting ‘Windows Mobile 5.0 PocketPC’ in the top dropdown
7. Choose the latest version of the client available in the middle window (you may need to scroll up)
8. Select ‘Windows Mobile 5.0 Smartphone’ in the top drop-down
9. Repeat step 7
Hope this helps!
Kitt.
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Sluggish mail with Good
klasikahl said:
I'm curious what others have to say. Goodlink was so sluggish that I actually had to revert to WM5. I wasn't receiving mails that were automatically pushed to subdirs by Exchange rules and emails that did come in were coming in extremely sporadically.
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This is almost certainly an issue on the server side, not the device. You should speak to your Good Admin and check what the link is like between the Good Server and the Exchange Server.
Also make sure that if they have any software running in the background on the Good Server such as antivirus or backup that it excludes the 'Cache' and 'Logs' Good directories.
(Or get him to phone Good Support for a health check on the server ).
Thanks,
Kitt.
Okay, I think I got this to work without going through your admin... For those of you that didn't think to do a backup before upgrading and do not want to upgrade again, follow these steps:
1: Download http://customerportal.good.com/download/sdcard_4_9_3.exe
2: Extract.
3: Copy GetGoodLinkPPC2005.cab and GLPackage2005.cab from PPC_WM5.0/EN folder to your phone.
4: Run GetGoodLinkPPC2005.cab. This will take you through the standard OTA setup that you are used to.
5: Enter your e-mail and PIN as normal. Once it restarts, you should get the "Launcher executable was not found -8" error.
6: Run GLPackage2005.cab, ignore any errors.
7: Open File Explorer.
8: Go to \Program Files\GoodLink.
9: Run GoodApp (It's a 4.75 meg executable). This will create a new subfolder called GoodLink.
10: Now run GLLauncher from \Program Files\GoodLink.
You may have to hit OK a few times on an error that says "Could not autolaunch Goodlink", but with any luck this will work for you. It did work for me. The only reason I'm not guaranteeing the 10 steps above is because I clicked on things like a crazy person for about 10 minutes before I got it to work. However, the logic is sound. Basically, you're letting OTA push whatever your company specifies then you're installing the new, WM6 compatible version over it.
Hope this helps! It's working perfectly for me!!!
Hey Guys,
For those who want to sync their contacts, tasks, and calender data onto t-mobile's servers using their HTC Shadow WM 6.1 device(s), this is the ported application needed to do so.
Note: This is the final release for T-Mobile Address Book. It is uninstallable and apperantly bug free.
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1.) You are using Windows Mobile 6.1 By ND4SPD
2.) You are planning to install this on an HTC Juno (T-Mobile Shadow)
3.) You understand that I take NO responsibility if your phone breaks, kisses you, or you are not happy with this product. Hence, you can't sue ColoradoTechServices.
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1.) Connect via ActiveSync
2.) Upload CAB to your phone
3.) Run CAB and Install
4.) Disconnect from ActiveSync
5.) Restart Phone if you want
6.) Make sure that T-Mobile Data and T-Mobile MMS are configured properly
7.) Make sure Data Connection is active
8.) Open T-Mobile Address Book in Menu, try to sync. If it doesn't work the first, try again. If it fails after the third time, tell me.
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#BUGS
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None
Great work! Now for some feedback..
It was a little confusing with the YES and NO responses.. I assumed all the good stuff was in the voxmobili folder, so I copied that over to my Windows folder and hit Yes to All to copy the entire directory. So far so good. Launched the program. Everything goes ok, until the very end where I get a Synchronization not successful with the error "Authentication failed."
Soo.. the question is, was there anything in the folder that serves to authenticate my number? I wouldn't think so. But that's what happened to me. Any thoughts?
I'm not aware of any authentication process.
First, are you using ND4SPD's 1.0 Developer's rom?
Second, what are your GPRS settinsg for T-Mobile Data and T-Mobile MMS. Are you using a proxy of any kind? If so, how is it setup?
Third, check if Data Connection is enabled.
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Regarding the Yes and No part. The 6.1 rom has its own stock voxmobili folder. While the T-Mobile 6.0 has its own, plus the t-mobile address book application, graphics and dll's. I didn't want you to overwrite any of the files from 6.1 since they might possibly be newest then the ones from the older rom. That's why I asked you not to overwrite files already on your device.
Hey it worked! From my last post to this one, I did precisely three things - try to synchronize three more times. Two times it gave me the error, and on the third try it went right through. So the problem was on T-Mobile's side.
So even a Yes to All and overwriting all the files in my directory worked.
I am using the 4.1 beta ROM.
Hey,
Well I'm happy that it worked. Copying the older files isn't problamatic. I'm just not sure if their is a difference between the newer ones and the older ones. Wi'll find out soon. Anyways, it won't matter after I clean up the archive. Now I have to figure oout how to make a cab file.
Hmm...Any updates for this?
I really don't want to mess up my phone by using this.
tissle said:
Hmm...Any updates for this?
I really don't want to mess up my phone by using this.
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What "update" are you looking for? All the information you need is right here in the posts.
You won't screw up your phone at all. The app works perfectly fine. I promised to release the final version, but I just haven't had time. Maybe today I'll release an uninstallable version.
Look on top for final release.
Hey man, I tried it and it seems to be not working.
I got the 19.99 T-Mo internet...and well I don't have the T-Mobile Data.
I just have T-Mo WEB for internet and I belive thats the issue.
My internet works and all, I'm Palringo, I can access google maps.
Whenever I try to sync my contacts to my phone it sends me a text message.
can this work for the wing
Man, I would love to use this app, but I have no idea how to make it work with the 19.99 plan.
Same here . ..
CreativeRoyalty said:
Whenever I try to sync my contacts to my phone it sends me a text message.
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noone1569 said:
Same here . ..
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What does the text message say? Can you sync at all?
I no longer get the text message, but I still cannot sync. I get a Communication error every time I try to sync it. I have unlimited internet plan and can browse the web just fine. I do not understand why it doesn't work. Any suggestions?
Hello there guys.
I'm new here and I just bought a blue angel. I'm thinking to upgrade my Windows Mobile 2003 to WM6 or WM6.1 or WM6.5, but I don't know which one to choose - Which one of then is better and more realible?
I was wondering upgrade to WM 6.1 but I saw the WM6.5 and I really loved the desktop, menus, windows, etc.. but, from what I read, the xplode and sun_dream release are both beta?
I'd like to read first of all the answers for all this questions and then I'll ask for other questions.
Another question is about in how to know which one to choose, better, which one will fit to my SPV M2000. I'm saying this because a read that - "How do I find the correct upgrade ROM that will work for me?" and I need to "1. Go to "List of know Blueangel, sold as, Model ID, Operator code etc"" to see which one (of both I choose) works in my SPV M2000? Is that truth? That means that we are conditioned?
Best regards, and I'd like to thanks in advance.
ok, don't panic, i see your problem. in general there are 2 kinds of "blueangel" devices the actual blueangel (gsm) and the harrier (cdma). your model is a blueangel, so don't worry.
there are plenty more differences between several blueangel models, like camera or no camera or the different manufacturers of displays or the slightly different weight or button layout, but all of that doesn't matter for flashing a rom. that might be an issue when buying spare parts. no worries about that.
you are right in asking before picking a rom, but actually each person has to choose for him-/herself, because it is a question of taste and what you actually use your device for.
the beta status of wm6.5 is due to the not yet officially released wm6.5. you can still use those and they won't hurt your device. since up or downgrading will be no problem, once you read the wiki wizard and get your device unlocked and stuff.
what you need to know is, before first upgrading, you have a lot of work and a lot of reading to do, but once you did that and prepared your device for flashing, it will so easy, you can test a rom, and as soon as you realize you don't like it anymore, pick another one.
there is really no need to pick a rom like it was a dead end. you can flash your device over and over again.
but the most important thing is, follow the wizard for your first upgrade, don't skip any steps, don't be a smartass, because then you might hurt your device or end up starting all over.
the wizard is to be found here
i already set, that you want to upgrade to wm5 or higher and come from wm2003.
the main page of the wizard is here
and once you go through the steps, at one point you will come to picking a rom and you can pick one of the list given there for starters, or you pick one from the forum yourself.
for wm6.5 you have the options of taking
- sun_dream's
- xplode's
- swampy's
- thanhcong_to's
have fun
greetz
Chef_Tony
Thanks for your reply.
BTW, I'm from portugal, and I bought my Blue Angel (SPV M2000 - orange) to I guy here in Portugal, but I think he bought this device and ebay, or maybe in England (vacations), don't know.
Well, in part I understood everything you wrote, but I still having some doubts.
But first, I'd like to ask something else.
When I bought my Blue Angel (SPV M2000 - orange) the guy who I bought, told me that the BA was unlocked, and it's true, and here is the question.
When I make the upgrade to WM 6.1 (I'm more inclined to this one - but I've something else to ask about this), I'll "lose the unlocking"?
Now about the WM's, I'm more inclined to the WM6.1, but I've some doubts about this. Which diferences exist between the WM6, WM6.1 and WM6.5?
Let's imagine 3 BA, each on installed with one of the three WM's.
Which one is faster? What I mean is, installing the last WM (WM6.5) means that the BA is more heavy, slow, compared to WM6.1? Do you understand what I mean?
About the WM6.5 BETA, when the WM6.5 became official, the BETA version will suffer some changes?
For now i'ts all.
The next post, if I don't I've no more doubts about your post, I'll ask other things, now related with a step in the tutorial.
Best regards
first of all, the sim unlocking stays. that is no problem at all.
for the differences:
i can't really tell factual differences between wm6 and wm6.1, but i suppose that would be too hard to google that. i upgraded from wm6 to wm6.1 because sun_dream made a great build, that was very fingerfriendly.
and fingerfriendlyness is great and important for me personally. in general, after installing a rom or performing a hard reset, wm2003, wm5, wm6 and wm6.1 look all the same, the same today screen, the same start menu, and so on, wm6.5 is the only real different one from that, because it is the only one with the (invisible) honeycomb start menu and the titanium home as today screen.
by the way, you are always referring to the beta status of wm6.5 roms, but in the threads i gave you, you will find many different versions of wm6.5 the beta status sometimes refers to the rom state, sometimes to the os state, you have to look for yourself there.
and you are putting way to much weight on the versions. they all start with 6.X and it is all basicly the same os, there are not that huge differences like installing windows mobile, linux, android or pandorra to the device. it is just slightly different versions of the same operating system, and what you do with it, is up to you. they are all extremely fast, right after installing, but then you install more and more custom programs and they get slower, so you have control over the speed.
but back to fingerfriendlyness and add ons.
you might have seen that many people here extend their today screen with widgets, like the weather, or fave people or music players or whatever. when you install wm6.5 you have the full potential, you can make the today screen look and feel like wm6 or wm6.1 with the classic today and today plugins, or you can install widgets, an option you don't have with lower versions. wm6.5 has a new internet explorer, that offers full flash support and a "desktop pc like surfing experience" so the sites you go to, don't look crummy anymore, they look exactly the same as on the pc at home.
and if you like your phone to be fingerfriendly (it is 2009, we are not 90s palm pilot geeks with a stylus) you should definetlely pick wm6.5 because for the normal wm6 you would have to install a lot of plugins and programs and apps... to enable fingerscrolling, bigger icons, bigger menus...
and that alone will make the device way slower that any wm6.5 one would ever be.
i would definetely say, that in the example you gave with the 3 devices:
if you had tose three devices and you'd start a third party program, whatever it might be, let's say spb online, it would start on the wm6.5 first, then the wm6.1, then the wm6. you see the higher versions and higher build numbers mean, that people were sitting and sweatiing for months to improve the system, it's not getting worse.
you should pick one of the newest releases, e.g. 23004 in the rom threads there are a lot of experiences and opinions shared, you can find out what's best for you. and again as a reminder, flashing one rom is not terminal, it is addictive. you see new roms coming out, you flash them, you see something you like, you flash it. it is a process of 10min. net and with all settings, customizations and installation of external programs it might take you 30 minutes, there was a time, when the roms popped up every day, and i would flash my device at least once a week trying out new builds and new versions liking the new one better than the old one, it is a hobby.
try any wm6.5 rom, if you don't like it, take another one, i really don't see, why exactly you need me to tell you, what to like.
i have no problem telling you, exactly how to do it, in every little step, with full and long explanations, but since i don't know you and what you like and what you need, choosing the right rom for you is impossible for me, sorry.
i know, sometimes i sound a little rude, but it is not meant offensive in any way. i hope for you, that you find the best rom for your device, but i doubt that that is possible without trying them. you can look at 50 screenshots and read 100 posts, you have to see for yourself, what a rom feels like and whether you like it or not, so don't be shy, try one out.
greetz
Chef_Tony
Ok. I understand, and of course you're right, you don't have to choose any WM for me, of course. But because I'm nood in this kind of stuff's a senior opinion is always welcome.
About the WM, so in your opinion is better try in first place WM6.5 right? Now, I've to choose the newest build, RIGHT? (so far as I understood) - BTW, why you're are using a older build than the newest from xplod?
Other question about WM to choose, which diference exist between the XPLODE and SUN_DREAM WM's?
Now, about upgrading. I've run the tutorial and I've some doubts there.
1 - I've read the BA Getting Started:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_GettingStarted
And I read "How do I find the correct upgrade ROM that will work for me?" and made me feel confused.
To use one of the WM6.5, for example, I need to know if it gonna work with my BA from a "X" operator? I hope made myseld explained.
So this means that not every ROMs works on determined BA, that's it?
2 - About the ExtROM. I read all the basic stuff but I didn't understood if there is any kind of inconvenience?
- Deleting the ExtROM I win more space, but for what? If the WM is stored at the SDcard.. The BA turns more fast?
- Deleting the ExtROM, when I make a HardReset, isn't suppose the BA load the WM only from the ExtROM and install?
- If I want the ExtROM back, how can I do that?
Best Regards and thanks in advance
1. that section, what rom fits to me? is about shipped roms, they have complex file names and when you go to bigger archives of shipped roms that is just the guide on how to find the one, your device was shipped with, every rom here will work with your device.
2. about the extrom:
2.a do you remember your last hard reset? your device starts up for the first time.
you align the screen, set the clock, cut & paste the appointment...
then the device starts.
and then comes the extrom, it states something like "Customization starts in 3... 2... 1..." and then there are a bunch of programs installed additionally to the actual rom. that is the extrom or extended rom. it is a hidden partition with 16mb of cabs (installer setup files). that means you always carry around those programs and the installer files, too. it is like on the pc having for example ms office installed and additionally you would have the image of the office cd stored. you can always re-install it, but it also means you take up double the space you would actually need to run office. so the extrom is like a backup of certain programs.
changing the rom to wm6.5 means, you cannot access that partition anymore, at all, neither could you use those old wm2003 programs.
so, deleting this partition, is generally good, because you don't need it anyway and gain space for your documents and ringtones and data. your "C:" drive gets bigger.
2.b the wm is NOT stored on the sd card, it is written in the rom partition of the device
2.c again, the rom is in the rom partition, after a hard reset you should insert an sd card with the extrom on it, so your most used programs, for instance, the internet explorer or office or any other program you want can be installed and used without wasting internal space, of which the BA only has 43mb (or after extrom delete 60mb)
2.d you wouldn't want the extrom back, as in the shipped rom, it is useless sh*t, like a dialer skin or a wallpaper, made by your carrier to software brand your device and claim its territory.
if however, some day you decide to go back to wm2003 (but why would you?) you flash the shipped rom. those shipped roms are "baked" roms, which means, they contain the rom, the radio rom and the extrom, while the cooked roms published here are only the operating system itself, there is no radio rom in there, nor is there an extrom.
in most cases like with xplode's rom, the extrom is offered as an additional download, but not to be flashed like with the shipped rom, but to be installed from the sd card to the device. that way it is also pretty customizable and you don't need to know your way around rom cooking, to get it to fit your needs.
about your other questions:
- the differences between those roms are to be read in the respective threads.
while sun_dream's rom contains little apps like htc large title bar or touch image viewer, xplode's is a little cleaner and contains hardly any external programs, so you can make it whatever you like, which makes me an xplode fan, although i miss the large title bar, which makes the clock, the battery and the network icons in the task bar more finger friendly.
- the reason why i am not on the latest xplode build is:
i use build 21202, which is xplode's release R6.1 (release 6.1, not wm6.1!), because i find it very stable and fast, while release R7 has little synchronization issues, when it comes to contacts, and R7.1 has tiny sync issues with exchange. i need to sync my device regularly with my home pc and my work and i have more than one device, so without flawless synching, i'm screwed. those roms are not yet options for me. probably i should have mentioned those little bugs earlier, because that can also influence your decision on which rom to pick.
cheers,
Chef_Tony
Hmm, now I'm getting.
First of all, before asking something about your last post, I'd like to ask something else:
When you say "and so on, wm6.5 is the only real different one from that, because it is the only one with the (invisible) honeycomb start menu and the titanium home as today screen." this means that this WM6.5 was "cracked", "modified", "was made a combination of", those too "applications", comparing to the real WM6.5?
Now about your last post, I understand the section "what rom fits to me", because this threat was confusing me!
Well, when I'm upgrading the WM, this will install at the ROM?
So those files at the ExtROM, that you were refering (3, 2, 1 ... etc), are some kind of software that is installed beyond the WM? That's it?
But when we make a HardReset where the PDA goes for the WM? To install it again?
What you mean with this:
''again, the rom is in the rom partition, after a hard reset you should insert an sd card with the extrom on it, so your most used programs, for instance, the internet explorer or office or any other program you want can be installed and used without wasting internal space, of which the BA only has 43mb (or after extrom delete 60mb)'' ?
''sun_dream's rom contains little apps like htc large title bar or touch image viewer'' what looks like that title bar and touch viewer? Where can I see one?
This WM6.5 we can do everyting that my actual 2003 do? Getting wireless, bluetooth, etc, etc?
BTW, what is the RADIO? And for what is for?
Best regards,
Thnks for you patience.
1. no, what i mean by that is, that wm6.5 is the first os that really has major changes in the looks of the today screen and the start menu, by adding new features (titanium home) and finger friendlyness
2. i understand why that was confusing for you, the thread might really suggest that some roms work and other's don't but it actually just wants to clearify which shipped rom is for which country, because for instance t-mobile or orange are popular carriers in many countries.
3. yes, the rom is the operating system, the rom contains windows mobile and all the drivers and some basic programs, just like formatting and re-installing your computer, you have windows, some other useful system apps, and solitaire
4. yes. the extrom contains extra programs that are not part of the operating system, again, comparable to the pc, you will find office in there, something that needs to be installed after you format your pc. you can also put your own programs in there, whatever you need.
5. for the upgrade process, you need to take out the sd card and the sim card. and then, when your upgrade is finished and your pc tells you to disconnect the device and make a hard reset, that is the point, where you disconnect the device, put in the sd card, and then hard reset. that way, when the device boots up for the first time, it recognizes the autorun of the sd card, and installs all the extra programs automatically.
6. please try and do a little research on you own:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=htc+large+title+bar
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Touch+Image+Viewer
and maybe you might want to do the image search as well, which is blocked for me here at work.
7. of course it can do everything, wm2003 can do, even much more, that is the point of upgrading
8. the radio is for wireless connections, like the name radio suggests, it is for your phone functions and so on.
Thnks for your answer!
I'm getting more and more clarified.
Well, getting what you said:
"for the upgrade process, you need to take out the sd card and the sim card. and then, when your upgrade is finished and your pc tells you to disconnect the device and make a hard reset, that is the point, where you disconnect the device, put in the sd card, and then hard reset. that way, when the device boots up for the first time, it recognizes the autorun of the sd card, and installs all the extra programs automatically."
This means that we need I card with the WM6.5, in this case, that will serve as a "CD of installation - camparing to the PC", every time we want to update the ROM. That's it? Once the ROM is updated, everytime we do a HardReset the WM6.5 will be installed by itself, from the ROM, "no needing" the SD card again, right? It's just this point that I'm confused, so that I can join all the pieces and put together.
BTW, when you said that the SUN_DREAM has some features, like the fingerfriendly, and something else, and the XPLODE doens't have nothing, that doesn't mean that, for example, in case of there is no WORD, EXCEL, etc.. we can install it anyway, right?
One more question, now related with my WM2003 that I'm using for now. When I take out the battery and install it again, the BA starts to install all again, and I've to make the screen alignment, etc.. Is that normal? In WM6.5 happens the same?
Best regards
you are misunderstanding some things again, but don't worry, that happens to a lot of people when it first comes to the extrom.
you don't really "need" the sd card, you can live perfectly without any extrom, you can copy all the cab files to your device and install them then. all the extrom does, is install a few programs automatically, and of course that is purely optional.
same thing about the comparison of sun_dream and xplode. xplode offers a great extrom, that contains office (word excel powerpoint) and internet explorer with flash support and also some other tiny programs like marketplace, automatic data settings, remote desktop and so on, but you can use the same extrom for sun_dream's rom or take sun_dream's one (if there is one, i don't know) with xplode's rom, or you download both, extract them, and pick the programs to install, yourself.
you are not forced to do anything there.
and that is why you don't really need an sd card, but may i ask: don't you have an sd card? a 2gb card is like 3eur. that should be nothing to keep you from enjoying the full power of your device.
the rom itself is stored in the device, no need for an sd card, and once you hard reset, you also don't need an sd card. the only thing you are missing out on, is the automated install of programs, which does not keep you from installing them yourself.
i know all this seems complicated, but that is partly because this is all very theoretical for you. let me make this clear by posting some things of my own.
i build my extrom myself based on xplode's 21202 extrom offered with the rom (and yes, that extrom will work with any rom)
i attached a screenshot of the contents of my extrom folder.
as you see there is nothing mystical about that.
there are:
- a bunch of cabs. those files are installers for programs.
- custom.bmp is a picture, that is shown, while the extrom installed, pure eyecandy, not essential
- autorun.exe makes the whole thing run automatically
- and cfg.txt is a text file, where the installation of those cabs is scripted
to make that a little easier for you, here is the content of the cfg.txt:
Code:
LOCK:Enabled
SHOW:\Storage Card\EXTROM\Custom.bmp
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\ADC.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\A2DPFix.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\HTC Large Title Bar.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\HTC_Touch_Calculator_Skin.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\HTC_WMP_Touch_Skin.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\Office_6.1.21202.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\PIE8_Flash3.1_21202.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\pocketrar.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\psShutXP.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\RDM_21202.CAB
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\sipchange.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\skybox.CAB
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\skybox.CAB
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\SMS Delivery Receipt Fix
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\WMWidgets.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\youtubeplay.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\R6.1_21202Fixes.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\blackblue_qvga.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\tcmdpocketarm.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\WkTaskL_1202.cab
LOCK:Disabled
HIDE:Enabled
EXEC: \Windows\DelCDetect.exe
HIDE:Disabled
RST: Reset
the first command lock enabled locks the screen and the keys so you don't accidently abort the installation
show custom.bmp shows the picture during the installation, and then there is the list of cab files, which install one after the other, then the screen and key lock is being disabled again, then in hidden mode the delcdetect is executed, don't worry about that and then the device is soft resetted and all those programs are installed.
that is all the extrom is for, there are a lot of programs i want to use with every rom i use. programs frequently needed for a long time now, and i don't want to sit there for hours and install one programm after the other by hand, copy the cab file to the device, then start the file explorer and install it, press ok, install the next one...
that is way to much work. and that is why i copied all my cab files in that folder called EXTROM\ on an sd card and every cab in that folder must be listed in the cfg.txt file, so the autorun.exe can find it.
and pleeeeease, do me a favour, before asking me, what any of those mentioned cab files are, copy the file name, for example "skybox.cab" and google them first. if you really want to know and there are no search results i can still write you what they are, for a few, maybe.
and yes, if you find any of the above mentioned programs useful, i can atach them here, there is no commercial program in there, so it is not warez for me to share them, they came with various roms, and i collected them.
well, and, did it click? now you should have understood the point of the extrom. and basicly, the sd card you insert in the device. the programs are installed in the device and you won't need the sd card till the next hard reset, and even then the device could run perfectly without sd card or extrom, you are just lacking a few programs then.
i wish you a nice weekend, i hope with the new knowledge you are able to flash your device, and afterwards you will think, "wow, some questions were redundant, it is self-explanatory" but don't worry, i don't mind, helping newbies. i was a newbie myself, not even a year ago.
have fun and if there is anything more, over the weekend from time to time i will have a look in the forum and i can help you out then, if anything doesn't work to plan.
and once the job is done, just like my signature says, please consider a small donation, for the coffee i need while writing complex and long explanations and tutorials like this.
cheers
Chef_Tony
Now I'm understanding a bit more
Now I got a little scared:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538691
I read that post and that made me think twice!
This guy had is BA unlocked, and when he updated to WM6.5 and every single other ROMs he just "When I was on the win 2003 SE, I have to use unlocker to make GSM working and that is working just fine... But when I upgrade to any other version of ROM or radio ROM, GSM doesn't function like it should...".. This means that he can't make any call because the BA is locked again to the operator from the country where that BA was bought.
In my case, I bought this BA in a forum from I guy here in Portugal, but I think he may bought this BA in ebay at UK (because is a ORANGE). And I don't know how he unlocked, but now, after I read that post I'm a little afraid of upgrading, because if I upgrade maybe MY BA will lock to the orange operator..
Do you understand what I mean?
Best regards
it would definetely not lock to the orange uk network, how would the device get the information what network to lock to, all the internal information is overwritten, in that thread the device did not get locked to any network either, he just posted, that his radio wouldn't work properly after upgrade, but when he downgraded, everything was back to normal again, plus, what are the odds? think about this forum. there are millions of users, permanently there are 4000 users online. the threads about the roms are filled with 100+ pages of people thanking the cooks for cooking the roms and everything went fine, and now there was 1 problem that is not YET resolved. what are the odds of that striking you too? by that means you shouldn't go out of the door because something could happen. in contrast to that situation, this one with the rom is reversible and still to be solved. no problem stays unanswered here.
and, if however it wouldn't work for you, (although i still don't see, why), you could still go back to wm2003 and what did you lose then? you are back to where you started and although you lost some time, you also learned a lot about windows mobile and met a nice guy who explained everything to you
i just realized something else about the thread stated above. that guy has 5 posts altogether, all in that thread, meaning, he didn't bother to ask people before upgrading. he was not as careful and thoughtful as you were, who knows in what ways he tried to upgrade. we don't know the rom he picked, and where that came from, possibly not this forum. maybe the problem he experiences are related to his carrier in sarajevo. or maybe it is a hardware issue, why would your device be broken, just because his is?
another thing is the (financial) risk you actually take with this operation. your device running wm2003 can practically do nothing a normal phone should be able to do. all the great freeware, popping up everywhere, does not work on wm2003. the os itself is pretty ugly and not user-friendly. it is all in all outdated and practically worthless in today's windows mobile and cell phone world.
this would mean, by upgrading you gain a lot of cool stuff, better ui, better support, coolness, and a piece of 2009 mobile lifestyle.
in the (very unlikely) case, your device would suffer any tragic accident, while flashing, or completely unrelated, you let it fall to the ground and the hardware breaks (much more likely), what is the price of another one? 2 years ago, when i first got mine (without knowing about this great forum and the potential of the device) i paid 250eur for it. today on ebay, they go out between 30 and 60eur.
don't get me wrong, i don't want to get you to do something you feel unsafe about, i just want to make sure, you don't over-estimate the risk, but you are completely right, not to under-estimate them either!
it is your choice, maybe if you want to pick up flashing your device as a hobby and keeping up with new developments in that sector, you could look up the device on ebay first, so you are prepared, if one day, you might need a spare part or another device.
to share another personal experience. when i first flashed my device, with an OFFICIAL upgrade by t-mobile germany, i thought i broke my device, because i saw no warning, not to use windows vista, because that would disconnect the device in the middle of upgrading. then i ended up being stuck in bootloader, with an empty device and no second pc running windows xp to flash the phone from. i was pretty terrified, but then i found this community and i tried again from a friend's pc and it worked, pretty crappy though, because i did about nothing right, no maupgrade, no extrom resize, no extrom afterwards, didn't even manage to do a proper hard reset, i used the device for 2 months in a crappy state like that, and then someone bothered to explain to me, how it is really done. and when i understood it, i suddenly knew how to do it the right way, and from then on i started flashing my device regularly to keep up with the newest developments, and to this day i experienced NO PROBLEMS that weren't caused by my own stupidity back in the day. but i flashed at least 50 different roms and everything always worked out fine. because being careful and think about all the steps gets you through safely.
again, i really appreciate your concerns and your interest to understand the process before you start. that is way better than to try it on your own and then start posting, when you messed everything up.
there were people, messing up their devices, but none of those was as informed as you are now.
i hope for you, that maybe after reading a little more about this really interesting topic, you can convince yourself to do it, i wouldn't even write try it, because i know, you can do it. you will definetely like it.
cheers
Chef_Tony