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Comparison of Kaiser v. Titan (PPC 6800)

I am currently using an Hermes. I got a Titan (PPC 6800) a few months ago. It has the same Qualcomm chip (the 7200) found in the Kaiser.
I gave the TiTan to my son and kept the Hermes because it had better sound and better battery life. (I realize that the Titan is a CDMA device and may not have as much batter life).
Have any of you compared the Kaiser and the Titan?
Is the Kaiser really that much better than the Hermes? If so, why.
I'm trying to decide to get the Kaiser or wait for the Omni.

rambo6 said:
I am currently using an Hermes. I got a Titan (PPC 6800) a few months ago. It has the same Qualcomm chip (the 7200) found in the Kaiser.
I gave the TiTan to my son and kept the Hermes because it had better sound and better battery life. (I realize that the Titan is a CDMA device and may not have as much batter life).
Have any of you compared the Kaiser and the Titan?
Is the Kaiser really that much better than the Hermes? If so, why.
I'm trying to decide to get the Kaiser or wait for the Omni.
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Well despite a slowness problem someone else has reported recently, mine is superbly fast compared with the Hermes. Instant power on from standby, quick opening of power hungry applications like tomtom etc etc. Brightness is better, feels better, better build quality. AND NO lockups and freezing so far - and that's a MAJOR plus in my book. No issues with freezing when on charge etc , in fact it's been so smooth for me that I have not been doing my regular backups (bad practice I know!).
I really am impressed by this device - not just the GPS, but mainly because of the reliability, speed and feel of it. So far as added potential for this device over the TyTn (GPS aside) I'm not so sure that there is a huge benefit, BUT it is a huge benefit to have similar functionality to the TyTn that actually works reliably and smoothly - I feel I can rely on this device where I would not give TyTn 100% trust. (I enjoyed finding work arounds and fixes for the TyTn and got it to a fairly workable state, but the Kaiser is much more of an out of the box working device I think). The one poor thing (so far) that I've found is the slow scrolling in PIE - but only PIE; this feels glitchier/slower refresh rate than the TyTn.
Whther you wait for the Omni is for you to check out
Mike

Mike:
Thanks for the reply. I would like a larger screen so I'm tempted to see if HTC comes out with the Omni Next month as planned. I'll probably end up with both devices.
Have you messed with the GPS yet? Can it work using Google maps without any other hardware or software? Just curious.
Thanks!!!

Just my 2 cents, I have the same raves about the Kaiser/TyTN II. Out of the box it is really hassle-free.
I share your complaint about pocket IE but I find this behavior only in PIE. If you install Opera mini, for example, web browsing is similar to an Iphone experience but much faster. No refresh just smooth/fast scrolling.
I hope MS gives us a major update to PIE soon, It really is starting to show it's age.

GenesysLV said:
Just my 2 cents, I have the same raves about the Kaiser/TyTN II. Out of the box it is really hassle-free.
I share your complaint about pocket IE but I find this behavior only in PIE. If you install Opera mini, for example, web browsing is similar to an Iphone experience but much faster. No refresh just smooth/fast scrolling.
I hope MS gives us a major update to PIE soon, It really is starting to show it's age.
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Yes, looks like Opera mini then. I tried it on my TyTn but generally preferred PIE layoutwise. It's just strange that PIE should be about the only thing I find slower on the Kaiser. In single column view it scrolls fine until you start to get further down a page and eventually it all but seizes up. Still, as you say Opera Mini is smooth scrolling, I'll be very happy with that.
Mike

It seems to be the best out of the ones I've tested, including deepfish which I'm not really impressed with.
There is also another browser that is rumored to be better than Opera mini. I believe it's called thunderhawk.

GenesysLV said:
It seems to be the best out of the ones I've tested, including deepfish which I'm not really impressed with.
There is also another browser that is rumored to be better than Opera mini. I believe it's called thunderhawk.
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or picsel ... its the best one ive used

i've had a 6800 for a couple months, great device, horrible rom, horrendous memory issues. looking forward to getting this kaiser, and hoping the decrease in data rates from ev-do aren't too bad...
eric b

AT&T Network v. Sprint
e-dub said:
i've had a 6800 for a couple months, great device, horrible rom, horrendous memory issues. looking forward to getting this kaiser, and hoping the decrease in data rates from ev-do aren't too bad...
eric b
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I'm running a Hermes on AT&T's network and a 6800 on Sprints EVDO rev. 0. Overall and in most places AT&T's HSDPA network is faster than the Sprint. I carried both phones for two weeks in Salt Lake City and surrounding areas.
The Sprint network had EVDO in more towns than AT&T had UMTS or HSDPA. However, I could get the AT&T signal and get on the web in more places than I could with the Sprint. Sometimes it's only Edge speeds but I could get on.
I ended up giving the Sprint Phone to my Son and keeping the Hermes and trying to decide whether to buy the Kaiser or not.

yeah, i've been damn near shocked at the speeds i've been getting on hsdpa in nashville vs. ev-do since i've gotten my kaiser on wednesday. but i know surfing in edge will drive me insane if i ever have to do it
eric b

e-dub said:
yeah, i've been damn near shocked at the speeds i've been getting on hsdpa in nashville vs. ev-do since i've gotten my kaiser on wednesday. but i know surfing in edge will drive me insane if i ever have to do it
eric b
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I'm really close to ordering a Kaiser unlocked. Most of the Kaiser posts have been from people in Europe. Please give me a full rundown. I'm especially interested in how the gps works with google maps. Have you set it up and given it a whirl?
Also, surfing on Edge with the Hermes is not all that bad. It's funny because I go to some remote locations camping in Utah. Sometimes I can get an "E" or even a "G" signal and surfing isn't that bad while I lie in my tent at night. The fact that I can surf at all in such locations is amazing in and of itself. It down loads articles well but the pics take a few seconds more.
With the 6800, I can get a 1XRTT signal and can make a phone call, but I cannot get web access. With the AT&T service, it's hard to place a call in these remote locations but sending email and browsing the web works better. Go figure.

rambo6 said:
I'm really close to ordering a Kaiser unlocked. Most of the Kaiser posts have been from people in Europe. Please give me a full rundown. I'm especially interested in how the gps works with google maps. Have you set it up and given it a whirl?
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Just on the google maps part. It works well - but it tends (for some folk) to not wait long enough to acquire the signal before it times out. However there is an easy workaround:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330634&page=3
BTW
I lie in my tent at night
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poor girl just tell the truth
Mike

I loved my Hermes after taking it to Black WM6, the Kaiser is just that much better, as stated already, it's solid, fast and the GPS rocks. I use Google Maps and iGuidance v4 and they both work flawlessly, even at the same time with active GPS. You won't be dissapointed, except for lower "in-call" volume in the BT headset (many have complained about this, others say it's OK)

mikechannon said:
Just on the google maps part. It works well - but it tends (for some folk) to not wait long enough to acquire the signal before it times out. However there is an easy workaround:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330634&page=3
Mike
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This seems to be an initial, 1st time occurance. Once I had acquired a fix with another GPS app, Google maps worked fine. Now Google Maps works fine, even when I launch it by itself.

RemE said:
This seems to be an initial, 1st time occurance. Once I had acquired a fix with another GPS app, Google maps worked fine. Now Google Maps works fine, even when I launch it by itself.
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Thanks guys. I may have to order one. I have to buy my wife a new sewing machine first.

Well I've been playing with my Kaiser for a day now and on the whole I love the build quality and the extra memory and storage is a blessing.
However, I have major issues with the radio version.
It is dreadfully slow when the 3G signal is a just one or two bars - it often wont find an internet connection (things like the weather on the Home plug will not update) and I couldnt even make any calls for a while when the signal was low. I was tempted to switch to straight GSM.
Does anybody know of a good radio upgrade?

Is it worth trading Hermes up for Kaiser?

I'm currently using Hermes (8525) and thinking about getting Kaiser. If you have had Hermes before I'd like to hear your word of wisdom from whomever have had both devices for practical usage. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury to keep both.
What I love about the Hermes that's not found in Kaiser are flash light, IrDa, and comm manager button. On the other hand Hermes is missing GPS, bigger memory, the "possibility" of having hardware accelerated graphics, supposedly better camera, tilting hinges, and in my particular case front camera (I'm using 8525 and there's no _practical_ solution to put the front camera in and if I were to get Kaiser it better be NOT AT&T tilt that has no front camera as well).
I'm afraid I'll be missing Hermes exclusive features if I switch to Kaiser, even though I don't use those features too often. It is however very tempting especially the built in GPS feature (yes I have followed the hidden GPS thread and struck down by the bad news that we can't practically revive the chip in Hermes).
A word of advice or two from you guys would be very appreciated.
PS: I posted this in Hermes forum a while ago and I'm also interested to hear Kaiser owners' opinion about this too.

cyberblue said:
I'm currently using Hermes (8525) and thinking about getting Kaiser. If you have had Hermes before I'd like to hear your word of wisdom from whomever have had both devices for practical usage. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury to keep both.
What I love about the Hermes that's not found in Kaiser are flash light, IrDa, and comm manager button. On the other hand Hermes is missing GPS, bigger memory, the "possibility" of having hardware accelerated graphics, supposedly better camera, tilting hinges, and in my particular case front camera (I'm using 8525 and there's no _practical_ solution to put the front camera in and if I were to get Kaiser it better be NOT AT&T tilt that has no front camera as well).
I'm afraid I'll be missing Hermes exclusive features if I switch to Kaiser, even though I don't use those features too often. It is however very tempting especially the built in GPS feature (yes I have followed the hidden GPS thread and struck down by the bad news that we can't practically revive the chip in Hermes).
A word of advice or two from you guys would be very appreciated.
PS: I posted this in Hermes forum a while ago and I'm also interested to hear Kaiser owners' opinion about this too.
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This is kind of like going onto the Corvette Club of America forum and saying " I'm thinking of trading my Chevy Malibu for a Corvette, what do you think?" My Tilt is Great. I personally have never experience any of the quirks others have complained about. If you like the new features and upgrade possibilites better. Then do it.

Out of everything that I read, I decided that it was NOT worth the upgrade. Then my Hermes started acting up BADLY with white screens and buttons that stopped working. So I reluctantly upgraded sooner than I intended.
I have loved my Kaiser. The 400mhz vs 400mhz CPU doesnt explain much why my Kaiser is so much faster than my Hermes. And I love the GPS .... and the battery life is better.
Also I never could find a radio where I could leave on 3G inside my condo and not drop calls. I tried and tried and tried. I leave 3G on my Kaiser with NO dropped calls even inside exactly where my Hermes would drop calls - and the 3G is not sucking the battery like on the Hermes.

I was the same way. I think it depends on the price that you will have to pay. I was able to get the Kaiser (Tilt) when it first came it on AT&T and I just couldn't pass it up. Now having had it for over a year, and knowing the differences, I would have paid more if I had to. I know that I may have been reluctant to pay more at the time, but it's one of those things where, "Now looking back, I would do it all over again" (but with more money ) if that makes any sense...

I've said this before elsewhere, but here goes again...
I broke my Hermes. If I had not broken it, I would not have upgraded to the Kaiser.
Now, I have a Kaiser and I don't consider it to be vastly better than the Hermes. Perhaps it was the way I use my phone that makes this the case, or perhaps it is that the O2 ROM was the limiting factor. Either way, I don't think it would tempt me to upgrade or renew my contract, so will be onto a rolling 1-month contract until a more exciting handset (am thinking Raphael) turns up.

denco7 said:
This is kind of like going onto the Corvette Club of America forum and saying " I'm thinking of trading my Chevy Malibu for a Corvette, what do you think?" My Tilt is Great. I personally have never experience any of the quirks others have complained about. If you like the new features and upgrade possibilites better. Then do it.
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malibu vs vette is too much of a stretch and you didn't give perspective on both sides as to comparing one to the other.
to answer cyberblue's question:
I have used hermes before though never owned one. to me built in gps is a must and i chose tilt solely because of that. if i were willing to tote a bluetooth gps device, i wouldn't have bothered getting a tilt.
if you can wait a little longer, see if the new upcoming htc devices has all that you like. mind you that infra red is probably not going to be present in newer devices.

KaiserVideoDriver said:
malibu vs vette is too much of a stretch and you didn't give perspective on both sides as to comparing one to the other.
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Seriously ?

I agree with KVD, no offence, but it really isnt much like what you said.

bubbleking2 said:
I agree with KVD, no offence, but it really isnt much like what you said.
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You both totally missed my point, I was not comparing cars. What my point was, was that much like the Corvette Club of America, everyone there has one, everyone is an enthusiast or they would be part of the club and you probably will not get an unbiased opinion if that is what he was looking for?
If he was interested in unbiased reviews he should check the review sites
Again seriously?

Diamond vs Cruise...a big difference!!

Yesterday was the first day that the Diamond was sold to the public. I bought one right away cause the movie on the HTC site brainwashed me
Ofcourse i played with it, but omg, what a difference with the Cruise. This device shouldn't be on the market right now!!
First big problem is the range. This is unacceptable!! I have full range with my cruise in my house. With the Diamond just one line and most of the time the connection fails. This is really unacceptable.
Second problem, the backplate doesn't fit like it should be. i tried it many times, but it doesn't fit right. Ofcourse with the Cruise no problem at all.
Home button feels very fragile. If i push it in, it looks like i gonna snap it
The Diamond isnt made for thumb usage!! maybe the home plugin can be used with thumb, but all others are way to small for using it with your thumb.
The speed of the device is also unacceptable. To be honest, my tuned cruise is way faster. Ofcourse i played with reg settings like the Tweaks known from this forum, but still the Diamond is way too slow. I hope new roms get out very soon.
To be honest, i am not happy with the Diamond. This has nothing to do with learning from the misstakes they made before. this has all to do with making a new device and throw it right away on the market for the cash.
For now my Diamond gets a 6- instead of a 8+ for the Cruise right now. Maybe some cookers can make this device to come alive, but untill then i expect a lot of frustration with this device for me.

Well, I've found this to be the best device "out-of-the-box" that I've had from HTC so far.
Of course, I'm looking forward to the inevitable improvements that will come along, but for now it's about as fast and stable as my heavily tweaked/flashed Kaiser. Which is something of a surprise.

What about your range? And which radio version do you have?

I assume you mean Network reception rather than WiFi?
As I live in London and there are cell towers absolutely everywhere, I have never had any problems. Flashing different radios on previous devices has always been pointless, as it has never done anything to improve or worsen the signal as far as I've ever noticed.
I honestly haven't got good enough ears to notice difference in call quality, but if you pinned me down, I'd probably say the call quality is again very marginally better than my previous HTC devices. That could easily be because the Diamond is shiny and new, and in my opinion the speakers do tend to get slightly worse over time...
WiFi I think is slightly weaker than my Kaiser. Probably only a couple of metres difference when using my crappy old Belkin router, but the bottom of the garden is just about out of range...
Radio is: 0.93.25.NS16

Just collected mine. Fully charged, I used Tomtom for 5 minutes, played a video for around 3 minutes, setup my email accounts, and made around 20 minutes of calls.....Around 20% battery life remains. Touchflo isn't as good as its cracked up to be. Prefer the port on my TYTN 2 tbh. Don't get me wrong the build quality and virtually everyhting is ideal..It's less than half the weight of the TYTN2 (or at least it feels like it). HTC needs to release the updated battery QUICK, the software update that is coming will hopefully sort power consumption, and with a bit of luck it will come with a radio update too. TYTN2 never dropped a call in my house, ever. The Diamond has dropped 3 out of 5....
Still a cracking piece of kit though, and very happy with it..Just hope it isn't rose tinted glasses.

Yzord said:
Yesterday was the first day that the Diamond was sold to the public. I bought one right away cause the movie on the HTC site brainwashed me
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Are you saying that you have the supposedly 'fixed' European version? If you are, that's really, really worrying. But there seem to be a lot of different opinions on and experiences with this device. Maybe some are just dodgy...

I can not lie, I love this device, I had alot of problems with my samsung i780 that I had for 3 months, but after many complaints, they offered me a new phone of my choice. So I opted for the Diamond. Good choice. Only my games or not playable anymore with the higher res.

oddball1 said:
I can not lie, I love this device, I had alot of problems with my samsung i780 that I had for 3 months, but after many complaints, they offered me a new phone of my choice. So I opted for the Diamond. Good choice. Only my games or not playable anymore with the higher res.
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Which games are those? I got pretty much 90% of the games i own for win mobile working!
I do agree with the initial poster that the reception is rather poor, although i dont get any dropped calls, i cant get hsdpa in my house like i could with the cruise.with the diamond my signal is mostly roaming in my house, i not complaining as im lucky to get any living in the middle of nowhere!

Games like Atomic Cannon 3, hexic and so on...

oddball1 said:
Games like Atomic Cannon 3, hexic and so on...
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hexic vga works fine on my diamond...

games that did not work on my O2 exec do work on D-nd !!!
Cool phone!

Abt HTC Touch Diamond
Is the Touch Diamond quad or tri band?
In the HTC website its described to be a tri band, however Carphone Warehouse in London is saying its a quad band.
Any idea reg this?
Many Thanks

ayankm said:
Is the Touch Diamond quad or tri band?
In the HTC website its described to be a tri band, however Carphone Warehouse in London is saying its a quad band.
Any idea reg this?
Many Thanks
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well you obviously browsed to the HTC site and they are ALWAYS correct, i cant understand why you would believe a 3rd party store and not HTC's website
Straight from the Horses Mouth
HSDPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 384 kbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 900/1800/1900 MHz
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Many thanks for the info...

What's the Verdict?

Is the Diamond a good device? Should I upgrade from my Kaiser?
Saw a review today that said it had memory leaks and frequent crashes....

upgrade upgrade upgrade...
The Diamond just keeps getting better...

upgrade and ......search/check the other 5-6 threads with the same subject or complete reviews on the subject.
sorry, but you are a senior with hundreds of posts, you are not a noobie so i do expect more.
thank you.

True - it was a quick spur of the moment post after I read the newspaper review today. I search the other threads and find some more reviews

you are so naughty
he told you off

warmkiwi99 said:
Is the Diamond a good device? Should I upgrade from my Kaiser?
Saw a review today that said it had memory leaks and frequent crashes....
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U should update ASAP, the gsensor apps are gonna start rolling out (among many other cool apps and hot cooked roms)
Besides its a COOL Phone, sexyest around.

Yes mine still has a memory leak (depsite latest stock ROM) but it has never crashed or frozen on me it is so sexy makes my Kaiser look like a brick - get one!

adesonic said:
Yes mine still has a memory leak (depsite latest stock ROM) but it has never crashed or frozen on me it is so sexy makes my Kaiser look like a brick - get one!
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sexy seems to be the key word....how about a sexy dumb blond?!
we try hard to educate her and hope for the best. i have to say that mine is doing great progress

If you are not in the rush, just wait for some time. Some device appear to have hardware faults, and some faults may be caused by software/or hardware (ie accelerometer one). These can be fixed in later batches. Let others be the manufacturer guinea pigs
Diamond is fantastic device, but you cant help get the feeling it was somewhat rushed to release (to be released before iPhone maybe?). Thats why I advise to wait, especially considering you have Kaiser already. Also price will drop somewhat (I doubt much hovewer, but, still).

Dont upgrade! Dont upgrade! At least not yet.

Had a Kaiser this morning; NOW I have a Diamond.
Best phone I've ever had: I even think the camera is better than the Kaiser's and the device is dinky, sexy, crisp and JUST A JOY TO USE. Coreplayer H.264 works; there's REAL video acceleration, power and slickness.
I really couldn't care less about the Touch Pro: it's TOO THICK. In this instance I take sexy over hardware Keyboard, and I don't need more than 4gb. Shame I've got an 8gb card going to waste though.
I've not missed that dreadful Kaiser hardware Keyboard one bit either.
UPGRADE YE.....if you can afford to.
Did I say I quite like this phone?!?!?

Did I say you might run into some disturbances soon Not to mention how hot the device gets. I'll take that sd card off your hands if you don't want it ^_^ I actually can't live with 4gb. I have 2 8gb cards full of music, vids, pics, apps, and assignments. I couldn't live without at least 8gb. It would bother me way too much. But that's just me.
Kraize

Ive been waiting for both devices to come to Sprint. At first I was certain I wanted the Touch Pro, but after seeing the sleek sexy appearance of the Diamond, the thicker, yet more able Touch Pro is starting to look less and less likely as the one I will get. Not sure if im willing to give up the qwerty just yet.

For much ticking I take my laptop.
Modemconnection via bluetooth PAN and HSDPA is really luxurious when traveling At speeds of 150kb/s I can work as if I were at home.
I don't need to type a lot, and SMS is perfect on screen.

I agree, once you start using GPS and Wi-Fi at the same time the Diamond could boil an an egg
After coming from a Tytn 2 which I have owned since Nov 07 I really love the Diamond, plenty of features, and in such a tiny package, amazing how much they packed into it
GPS seem a lot more sensitive compared to my Tytn 2 which averaged 6-7 sats outdoors in with clear skies, the Diamond averages 8-10.
Wi-Fi also seems to have a little better signal range and connects to my router a little faster than my Tytn 2 did.
The screen is stunning so clear and extremely bight, brilliant for web surfing and the included youtube app is really cool to.
The only disappointing thing is the 4gb of storage, I had 6gb on my Tytn 2, used to use it for the TomTom Western and central Europe map and the North America map, which totalled 4gb plus my other apps on top so have had to just stick one map on instead. HTC really should have put 8gb minimum on his phone, 8gb chips these days really are cheap as chips so there was no excuse there
If you loved the Tytn 2/Kaiser and don't mind loosing the keyboard then this is an awesome phone to go for.

I totally mind losing the keyboard. Unless! Unless someone ported WinMo to the iPhone. That would be a winner in my eyes

I haven't run into any heating problems when using GPS or WiFi :S

not noticed an overheating problems here either, and I'm finding texting and composing long passages much easier than on the kaiser despite the lack of hardware keyboard. I really don't imagine I'll miss the kaiser one bit.

mine don't get hot - slightly warm and fuzzy but not hot

To buy a Tilt or not, opinions please

Hey,
Im moving on from my trusty MDA and came apon a few decently priced At&t Tilts. Ive read over the driver issues and just wanted the opinions of some current and/or previous owners.
Just so you know, I have owned a Wing, MDA and currently a Blackjack2 and had flashed/upgraded the HTCs several times. Thats why I want to come back to an HTC device.
Thanks in advance.

go for it dude
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Hey,
Im moving on from my trusty MDA and came apon a few decently priced At&t Tilts. Ive read over the driver issues and just wanted the opinions of some current and/or previous owners.
Just so you know, I have owned a Wing, MDA and currently a Blackjack2 and had flashed/upgraded the HTCs several times. Thats why I want to come back to an HTC device.
Thanks in advance.
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Personally, I think it is a great phone.

I agree. Fully functional 3D drivers or not, this is still the most amazing phone on the market for price point. The only thing I would personally get above this phone is the touch pro....and that wont be for some time to come

I've had a tilt since oct 07. Wouldn't give it up for anything. Does it play 3d perfectly, no...but I didn't buy it to play movies & mp3 files. Does it have as quality camera as my old SE W810i? No, but with patience, it does pretty darn well. I got the tilt because it allowed me to replace a phone & PDA with one device. I use mobile office around 10-15 times a day, 20-30 text messages a day, the camera maybe once or twice a week, and it is without a doubt the best
device I've owned. it has it's quirks, but what device doesn't?

here hear, awesomest phone i have ever owned. I was looking for a phone i could replace my phone and pda with. it rocksas far as features. sure the graphics suck. but they get the job done in a pinch. weee it's the most technologicaly advanced phone that att has right now. I dont have to synch eight devices. i just got rid of my laptop. I use this for most everything. i have school comp labs for everything else. i thought about taking it back and waiting fr something better to come out. but. when the touch pro comes out it will cost 450 dollars with a new 2 year agreement. school stsrts before then anyways. HEY thanks you guysfor making this the coolest phone it can be with what is available. is there any feature that another phone has that this one does not. in america anyways. it is a business phone. it does just that. it will play most regular phone games out there. damn it doesnt play crysis at maximum detail. boo hoo. it is a freakin miracle these slow resricted devices can do what they do. having said that. im sure my opinion would be changed with a good foreign phone. hey and htc come on. what other company out there encourages hacking their phones by putting xda developers in their wiki. i have dropped this thing onto concrete hard twice and to my knowledge it hasnt phased it. oh and btw. i dont have a data plan for my phone. i am typing this on my tilt at panera bread on my hardware giant qwerty keyboard. this has taken me fifteen mins to write. do that iphone. do that old style 12 key phones. i just got the thing and i am typing fast on it. if you want a gaming phone this is not for you. if you want relatively long battery life when you surf the net using wifi get this phone. i am comparing the batt life to my sony clie which had first generation pda wifi in it. i have gone over an hour today surfing the web. i still have 20 pecent left and i started with like 60. my clie could only go for like 45 mins with a brand new battery with a slower processor. well panera bread is cosing and i should probably get home. but it isnt becase my pda ran outof juice. i have the oem batt btw. good night all. i hope this helps you in your quest fora new phone.

i have owned the tilt since Nov 2007 and it has been a excellent pocket pc/phone. what i really like about the phone is having the ability to flash the rom that chefs have to offer. it's nice to have options and incredible free applications out there offered by the programmer's.
i have been through four previous pocket pc phones and it's nice for once that there is everything packaged into one device. I use gps, wifi, watch movies, listen to mp3s, outlook/exchange, bluetooth etc.. i take the phone to the limits and it meets expectations.
despite the video driver problem, its not a big deal if you are really into eye candy.
if you have other questions, you can email me..
tvos

Nooo. Don't get it. I personally plan on selling my Tilt and shelling out some cash to get the AT&T Fuze (Touch Pro). It's much better. The retail pricing is only about $100-200 more then the Tilt's. So it'll retail for about $550/$650 w/o contract. =) This is a great deal compared to $1k. It's going to come out before year's end and AT&T data managers are currently testing the Fuze. It'll be out before 08 ends I can swear on it. It has a different color TF3D as we've seen. It has no front camera and an extra button for PTT. That's about it.
Guess how I got this info =)

Kraize92 said:
Nooo. Don't get it. I personally plan on selling my Tilt and shelling out some cash to get the AT&T Fuze (Touch Pro). It's much better. The retail pricing is only about $100-200 more then the Tilt's. So it'll retail for about $550/$650 w/o contract. =) This is a great deal compared to $1k. It's going to come out before year's end and AT&T data managers are currently testing the Fuze. It'll be out before 08 ends I can swear on it. It has a different color TF3D as we've seen. It has no front camera and an extra button for PTT. That's about it.
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you don't know what your talking about...
get the tilt..... worse and try it out for 30 days.. if you don't like it, return it... this probably the best to offer... at least at&t give you this option.
tvos

tvos said:
you don't know what your talking about...
get the tilt..... worse and try it out for 30 days.. if you don't like it, return it... this probably the best to offer... at least at&t give you this option.
tvos
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Rofl. I know exactly what I'm talking about

I dont want to sound negative
but your posting on a Kaiser forum and asking people who own a Tilt if they advise you to get it... haha i got a feeling your gonna get around 90% yes...
the real test is to ask some guys who have a htc touch diamond or some of the other smart phones out there what they think of the Kaiser...
oh and my answer is yes... get it... with the right tweaks and a few apps to your liking, it will be the best phone you have owned (well atleast it is the best phone i have had)

I had mine since March. Pretty good phone. A tad on the heavy side. And depends on how you like to hold it, the little corner of the USB port may dig into your pinky. The AT&T bloatware are garbage but nothing you can't fix on your own. There are enough people that like it to get a constant supply of goodies.
Knowing what I know now, would I get it again? Probably.

fhaines said:
Hey,
Im moving on from my trusty MDA and came apon a few decently priced At&t Tilts. Ive read over the driver issues and just wanted the opinions of some current and/or previous owners.
Just so you know, I have owned a Wing, MDA and currently a Blackjack2 and had flashed/upgraded the HTCs several times. Thats why I want to come back to an HTC device.
Thanks in advance.
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I look for speed and stability in a PPC, and I'm sorry to say that once again I have not found it in a HTC phone. I previously had the S710. Compared to that, the TYTN-II is fast as lightning. But compared to previous Sony Ericsson and Palm phones, the TYTN-II is sloppy. Admittedly it has GPS and WI-FI, which the others did not. The stability is below what I think is reasonable to expect for a smartphone in 2008. The touchscreen and buttons are occasionally unresponsive, and normal operation is often replaced by random "irregularities". I soft reset the device some 1-3 times a week, because unexpected stuff just happens: ranging from missed calls, broken activesync, unable to connect to EDGE network, software crashes, buttons not working.
Yet I hold on to it. It sports a nice set of features, and the software for it is plentyfull. The stability and performance can be improved by careful configuration (involving a lot of trial-and-error), but be prepared to spend a lot of hours on it. If you are a "point-and-shoot" type of person, who just want a phone that works out of the box, you may be disappointed with this one.
At least this is my personoal experience with the phone. Your milage may vary!

If you're prepared to put up with what can at times be an annoyingly slow user interface, then I don't see why not. The feature-set is excellent, the build quality is excellent and the tilting display shows no sign of flimsy construction. It has a nice weight to it and feels comfortable to hold and use.
But the dsmn lack of drivers *REALLY* grates at me after a while, especially when switching between portrait/landscape modes. The more time goes on, the more you notice how slow it is. There are tweaks that help, for example if you set the X button to close instead of hide apps the effect of this is minimised somewhat, but that shouldn't be necessary.
Unless you have patience for a UI with an average speed of "slow" I would go for one of HTCs other offerings which actually uses the hardware it contains, although if the custom drivers that are underway reach completion, perhaps the Kaiser will be a serious contender. So if you DO buy one, you may think of it as an investment for the future

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CrArc said:
. . . The feature-set is excellent, the build quality is excellent and the tilting display shows no sign of flimsy construction. It has a nice weight to it and feels comfortable to hold and use. . .
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I have a Wizard (8125) and a Kaiser (Tilt) and just got a Hermes (8525) for another family member - the Kaiser obviously has the best feature set, but the build quality of the other two is better, IMO. The 8125 is clunky looking, but solid, and the spacing of the keys makes it much easier not to miss-key. The 8525 is super-solid, has the best battery cover, and I think is the best looking.
That said, I will keep using the Kaiser. I have also tried i-mate 8502 and HP iPaq 910c, and returned to the Kaiser. The chrome is wearing down on the buttons, and some of HTC's software design on it is annoying (e.g. fast backlight shutoff - fixable of course). In the inevitable comparison to iPhone 3G, the iPhone does some things amazingly well (threaded SMS, internet browsing) but still doesn't have a spreadsheet for crying out loud! I depend on Excel, use it constantly in eyecare clinic.
So despite its flaws, the Kaiser is the best thing for me - until Touch Pro for AT&T 3G is available - then I will get that - the 5 row keyboard and the VGA screen are the big pluses there, and you can never have too much memory.

You know I researched a lot before buying my tilt, knowing I would need to unlock and flash it to get the functionality I wanted. I could not be happier with my purchase. Things I know I can not do with an Iphone easily or at all at no additional cost include excel & word editing, connect to Citrix, RDP, tether my laptop by either USB or BT. As for the d3d drivers, while they would be nice I don't see them as mandatory since this is first a phone and a PDA not a iPod. That said, I have no issue other than bandwidth when I comes to streaming media through ORB to my TILT and playback is more than acceptable for me.
Just do it since your no stranger to flashing,
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