I'm on my second tilt. I returned the first one because it was impossible for me to carry on a conversation on the railroad to and from work (or in other mildly noisy situations). While I have no issues hearing the person on the other end, my voice cuts in and out to such an extent that I cannot carry on a conversation. This occurs in the morning on relatively empty trains and in the evening on crowded trains.
There is another thread in which most people have been complaining about the quality on the other end when using the speakerphone, but some had a problem similar to mine as well. AT&T claims that this has not yet been identified as a widespread issue with the device, but before I really raise a stink with them, I wanted to find out if this was really a widespread issue or not.
If this is to ultimately be useful to others, I guess it makes sense to identify which version of the Kaiser you are using.
Thanks.
Turn on Automatic Gain Control
Start / Settings / System / Microphone AGC
"Enable"
*really* helps voice quality a lot.
DLD
One of the main reasons i upgraded to the tilt (it was a huge upgrade, basic phone to a all-in-one phone) was because my phone calls dropped all the time. I thought it was because of the phone (it was old, been dropped ALOT), but I'm beginning to wonder. when talking on the tilt the other day, the other person complained that i was dropping in and out. i was pacing on the upstairs of the house, and kept passing TVs, computers and their moniters and past the wireless router, so it could be that, but, again, i don't know for sure.
That's funny, in the other thread people were saying to turn it off. It is off by default on the tilt so I never bothered to turn it on (yes, I'm a noob...). I'll give it a try...thanks!
mjizzy said:
That's funny, in the other thread people were saying to turn it off. It is off by default on the tilt so I never bothered to turn it on (yes, I'm a noob...). I'll give it a try...thanks!
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Yes, it's a curious thing the AGC. In a way it would be helpful to have a hard key for it because how well or badly it works depends on the background noise level. So in some situations you might want it off and even in the same conversation you might want it on. Also it's behaviour is affected by whether you are on speaker phone where volume level and feedback become issues. (Not the easiest thing to test out either!)
Mike
Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
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Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
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That's very good to hear.
I thought AGC only Adjusts the volume of your voice automatically when you are recording.
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I thought AGC only Adjusts the volume of your voice automatically when you are recording.
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It does help, but only slightly when calling on my device.
It seems to help on my tilt as well, but I really haven't had much of a chance to test it out. I will say that, however small the sample size (and assuming it is random), it is somewhat comforting that most respondants have not had any problems at all. Maybe ours are just from a bad batch. I'm going to try calling AT&T to see if they'll swap mine out again.
I just got off the phone with HTC support again (here in Belgium). He URGED me that everybody that has the problem would report it: the more requests on the problem they receive, the faster they will start developing a fix.
So everybody, start calling HTC support and ask they make a ticket for it!
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Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
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i hope they can make a fix... common htc how come thei never faced this problem on their test .. cant believe it!
My 2 cents on AGC, auto-gain automatically turns up the mic volume to capture "light" low volume sounds. It would really help capture a wispering speaker in a quiet room. On a loud train it should automatically turn it's gain down because of the loud ambient noise and I would expect the speakers voice to be harder to hear by the other party.
In a loud place I'd say turn it off, but as always, your own trials will tell what's best for you.
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My 2 cents on AGC, auto-gain automatically turns up the mic volume to capture "light" low volume sounds. It would really help capture a wispering speaker in a quiet room. On a loud train it should automatically turn it's gain down because of the loud ambient noise and I would expect the speakers voice to be harder to hear by the other party.
In a loud place I'd say turn it off, but as always, your own trials will tell what's best for you.
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so in resume, TyTN II / Kaiser Speaker phone SUX
this is a very important feature in a phone, i don't care if it's the best PDA phone in the world... a good phone must respond as a good phone and the Kaiser doesnt...
rocho said:
i hope they can make a fix... common htc how come thei never faced this problem on their test .. cant believe it!
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Did you already contact HTC?
In some cases. Yes, but I only have issues with people hearing me while using the speakerphone.
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In some cases. Yes, but I only have issues with people hearing me while using the speakerphone.
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With my device, the sounds also drops when I'm calling with the phone held to my ear :-(. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
Calling HTC
I called HTC America (HTC India is more like it) to report the issue. They were very thankful and apologetic and mentioned the possibility of getting a new device. He said he was going to dispatch an e-mail about the issue to HQ immediately and that they would be sitting down with AT&T in the near future (as they do 30 days after a new phone is released with a given carrier) and would do his best to make sure the issue is addressed at that time.
Here's hoping...
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I called HTC America (HTC India is more like it) to report the issue. They were very thankful and apologetic and mentioned the possibility of getting a new device. He said he was going to dispatch an e-mail about the issue to HQ immediately and that they would be sitting down with AT&T in the near future (as they do 30 days after a new phone is released with a given carrier) and would do his best to make sure the issue is addressed at that time.
Here's hoping...
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I've reported the issue to the HTC authorised service center close to 2 weeks ago. When I called up the service center, their reply is : no response from the HTC Taiwan yet..... What a surprising innocent reply from them!!!! As if they have never got any feedback on such issue before!
Hi
I wonder if the problem is caused by excessive volume of the in built earpiece? Do you have this up on maximum or high?
The inbuilt earpiece goes very loud and so the sound would easily be picked up by the microphone causing it to behave similar to when you have it on speaker phone as it tries to stop feedback and echo.
There isn't a lot that can be done about this apart from turning down the earpiece volume or using a wired headphones with mic. It may be worth turning down your volume on the earpiece to see if it improves.
Regards
Phil
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Hi,
I have a very weird problem with my Tytn II, which I bought little over a week now.
People I was talking to complained they didn't hear me very good, the sound appeared to drop. It occured to me that it was happening when I used the speaker (handsfree) of the phone.
I did some testing, and this is what happens:
I (with the Tytn II) call person X, and when I and person X are talking together, person X cannot hear me, the sound on his side simply fades to nothing, until 1 of us keeps quiet. The same happens when for example sound from my car is picked up by the phone, thus resulting in the device not being usable in the car, since there's always some noise. I however on my side keep hearing person X, it's person X that doesn't hear me.
It happens with 2 sim cards, everyone I call, did a hard reset, HTC support doesn't know the problem...
I'm puzzled. Can anyone suggest anything? Or is it faulty?
Thanks
no, mine does the same thing. I got it a few days ago and when i used speaker while driving, i could hear the other person perfect, but they cant seem to hear me. It feels like half duplex. i hope this is fixable
Damn, it seems widespread then...?
Anyone who can test it?
maybe it has to do with whatever noise cancelling algorithm is in effect is mucking everything up
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maybe it has to do with whatever noise cancelling algorithm is in effect is mucking everything up
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Meaning that every single device would have this, and thus mine not being faulty?
I had the same problem but remembered that there was an automatic sound function which turns down the volume when talking is too hard and turns it up when to soft. Its called microphone agc and you can find it under system configuration. Now that it's turned off my dutch htc tytn II works fine in handsfree mode. Hoop this helps you also
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I had the same problem but remembered that there was an automatic sound function which turns down the volume when talking is too hard and turns it up when to soft. Its called microphone agc and you can find it under system configuration. Now that it's turned off my dutch htc tytn II works fine in handsfree mode. Hoop this helps you also
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It's already turned off :-( .
However, I just called with HTC, and they said it's because of the mic and the speaker being too close to each other, and thus it compensates.
They say every model has it however, they did a test today and the result was that it was a feature, not a bug...
Anyone here who does not have it on his device?
I have this problem all the time, both on speaker and just using the phone to my ear as normal.
People complain I am very quiet or that the sound is choppy and I sound like a robot
I used to have this problem on the O2 XDA IIs a few years ago.
Anyone else have it too? I'd like to know asap if this device is faulty, or if it's normal?
Sometimes, it seems that when I'm holding it to my ear, the sound seem to drop on the other side too...
I have exactly the same problem. People have trouble hearing me with loudspeaker switched on. Without speaker they can hear me perfectly.
I have the same problem too. Just try to disable the Microphone AGC thing and it fixes the problem. Thanks downnootje.
I have teh same problem , but I tried something and it is improved the Operation , try to minimize the Speaker volume to the minimum level and then it improes a little and it works for me ; not all the time but that is what we can do at the moment
I'm convinced now that it's a mojor problem.
Mine even got worse: since yesterday, it's happening without handsfree too, people can't almost hear me when I just hold it to my ear...
Is this a phone still, or can't it be used as such?
try enableing Microphone AGC thing, restart phone, and disable it
Me too. Juz got my set 2 days back. The other party hears my voice intermittently chop-off...
I have faced the similar problem on a particular China-made TV phone too. Tested two other units of the same model still the same. It seems to me the phone design issue, as after I changed to another model of China-made TV phone, the problem solved.
Sigh! Already got this expensive phone, think have to bear with this feature then if it is really cannot be resolved by new ROM.
same problem
i have the same problem...with my 8525 when I was on the train or in a similar noisy situation i never had any trouble with people hearing me on the other end...with the tilt i can't even carry on a conversation on the train...i called tech support and they told me to swap it out for a new one.
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try enableing Microphone AGC thing, restart phone, and disable it
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I've tried that and it doesn't help! Quite sad about it. I need to use speaker handsfree especially during driving.... Don't really like to hook-up the headset or BT headset... too messy for wired headset and too tedius (charging) for BT headset...
Now that I know its half duplex it works pretty well in the car - I just wait for the other person to stop talking
Surur
I will be sending mine to HTC for a planned hardware fix as they agreed there is a defect that affects all kaiser and tilts, but NOT the MDA VARIO III. this is a known issue and is hardware related. Good news for those who havent purchased one yet. I will sell mine on ebay if they dont asign me a RA soon. I rather have the MDA VARIO III as it has 2 cams.
(doesnt your HTC TYTN2 has 2 camera's?)
Same problem here. Hope for a sollution soon!
Will call HTC too soon, so theyll have more complaints about this defect.
i am facing an issue with my tytn II. When ever i shift to the loudspeaker, it seems the quality of the mic degrades. Keeping the phone at a distance of 1 feet, i have to shout so the other person can listen to me. And even normally if i compare my mic with other phones people says its difficult ti understand me when i am on this phone. is this a problem only with my phone or some one else is also facing the same?
PS :I can hear them very well though.
Tushar
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i am facing an issue with my tytn II. When ever i shift to the loudspeaker, it seems the quality of the mic degrades. Keeping the phone at a distance of 1 feet, i have to shout so the other person can listen to me. And even normally if i compare my mic with other phones people says its difficult ti understand me when i am on this phone. is this a problem only with my phone or some one else is also facing the same?
PS :I can hear them very well though.
Tushar
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same here hope we all find an answer!
I know on the wizard, there was a registry tweak to fix this issue.
\\\registry\HKLM\Software\HTC\AUDIOGAIN(x)\
I don't see this on the kaiser/tilt. There's probably some key out there...gotta find it.
there is an application in settings Microphone AGC (audio gain control) but it doesnt help much either.....its just an enable and disable...may be there is some registry tweak to make it more effective
i joined this forum because of this problem as there were a lot posts in a different thread about it; however, it appears no one has found a resolution to the problem.
Some say it is a design flaw while others have been thinking (including myself) that there might be some type of registry fix for this. The agc in the htc menu being disabled does nothing to resolve the problem; but there could still be something in the registry that relates specifically to when the speaker phone is being used (the agc in the htc menu mentions it is for recording; there might be another setting in the registry for when the "speaker phone" is being used that overides the htc agc menu setting).
I did see a post where somebody said they had found the gain/volume through some sort of hack and it left there phone with a reverb and backfeed(he did not say how he did it though) ; dont know what the poster really did or if there might some other alternative.
At any rate, I am hoping that a fix can be found especially one where i can hack the registry to experiment or change the gain/volume microphone settings.
Yea, me and my girl damn near argue every time I use the speaker phone. It's pretty inconvenient not being able to use it.
I know that I was also having an issue with my Bluetooth volume and I fixed that in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359098&page=4
I'm not sure if there's any registry settings in the same general area as the Bluetooth that would control the speaker volume. I'm surprised the super-sleuths here at XDA haven't figured out a way around this yet.
Get crackin' fellas!!!
i guess that nobody has done or either can do anything for that shame on htc once more
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Yea, me and my girl damn near argue every time I use the speaker phone.
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-haze- said:
Yea, me and my girl damn near argue every time I use the speaker phone
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bro u have the argument only when u use speaker phone....i have this argument whenever i talk to her even normally.....using the mic.....she says my earlier phone was 100 times better than this....whats the fun of buy so expensive one if we cant even talk.... i just hope i get some fix before i have a break-up ....)
i have tried almost all the radios available in the sticky......but nothing helped...(only made it worst sometimes)
You all need to change your Radio, I have had that with my tilt but after flashing and experimenting with a couple of radios it is OK now, not great but the other party can hear much better now and I did test it with my land line good quality.
i have tried all the radios but to no avail......anyother clue??????
just to get this on the top
seems like no one has a working solution for this issue??? or is it just no one cares ???
maherb said:
You all need to change your Radio, I have had that with my tilt but after flashing and experimenting with a couple of radios it is OK now, not great but the other party can hear much better now and I did test it with my land line good quality.
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Changing the radio does not resolve the problem; the following link/thread shows various radios were tried and never resulted in resolution.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337931&page=5
You also use the phrase :"it is ok now; not great" which leaves one to wonder if you really fixed as there have been "few" times that my speaker will operate "ok;but not great" but the caller still complains about me cutting in/out or has trouble understanding - most of the time the other caller cannot hear me or say i am garbled.
Also, the above thread also shows the problem was not resolved for users who sent there phone in for repair under warranty even when the phone was "replaced".
As one user said in the above thread:
"Hi:
I have a Tilt, and while I have not tried sending my phone in to the factory, I have done 3 warranty exchanges for this problem. All 3 had the SAME problem, so it seems that this problem is not isolated, and it is widespread "
Some have claimed this might be due to the non duplex design of the speaker meaning a hardware design flaw while others think there might some sort of software problem; but i really dont know; but do know that the problem exists and that a solution to the problem remains elusive and unresolved.
This is a problem with the HTC Hermes too.
1. The speakerphone volume is waaay too loud (even at softest setting).
2. The other party cannot hear you when you use the speakerphone.
bad news for me...
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bad news for me...
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bad news for me to
the speaker issue sucks....
*BUMP*
Same problem here.
Anyone have a tweak for this?
I have the same problem!!
I have a P3600..and now i came back from warranty and they change logical board...and now i have this problem!!
What can i do? if i came back the phone to warranty the problem remains?
help us please...
Is not possible that a phone that cost 550euro have this kind of problems...
Hi guys,
i think there's a problem in my i9000;
whenever i make a call, i can hear low static interference in the background.
i searched both on xda and elsewhere, and although some other people complained of this problem, no one was able to determine the cause or provide a solution.
i tried different roms, froyo and gingerbread samsung roms, in addition to cm7, with different kernels and modems, heck i even changed my csc(just for sake of changing everything to make sure.. all for nothing. the problem persists.
Does anyone know what might cause such problem and how it may be solved?
i have exactly the same problem. Like you; i tried every combination which i can. I think main cause of the problem is hardware related. But my opinion is ,it can be fixed with device drivers. I looked at service manual. In the speaker part of the service manual,you can see there are two inductors and one capacitor before the speaker module. You can see the full circuit in Service Manual Page 42.
h**p://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2383/speakerj.jpg
I think these inductors(L209,L210) are interferencing with the GSM frequencies and making that static sounds on the background.
We need someone who is an expert on linux and device drivers. Maybe he can show us to find a way to break this circuit(temporarily turn off B1 and A2 pins) in a call so it will not make that sounds.
In the other hand we may have defect phones. May be the only way is to change some parts.
sorry for my bad english.
I think there's something wrong with the speaker itself.
I'm taking the phone to samsung's maintenance to see what they have to say about it.
I'll report back once i get to the bottom of this..
Same here, but it's not constant, just happens enough to be noticable, bloody annoying, and only started (or I only noticed it) a couple of days after JVP. Will be interesting to see what you find out...
One possibility, do you have your phone in a magnetic flip case? Worth checking
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One possibility, do you have your phone in a magnetic flip case? Worth checking
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA Premium App
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No magnetic flip case, just a hybrid (plastic back+sillicon frame) cover.
I even took it off for a while to see if it was causing the problem, but no.
I went to samsung service center and they said it will cost about 200$ because the ear piece comes with the touchscreen..
Meaning i would have to pay for a new touchscreen even though i only need the ear piece.. How about that for service.
I checked ebay and found the whole ear piece+speakerphone+headphone jack in one bundle for 15$
so guess what my next step will be??
Buy and install the ebay part, sell my i9000(never liked tw anyway+cm seems a long way from home).. Had enough samsung for one lifetime
are you sure about the sound is coming from the earpiece ? i am asking because few weeks ago i was also assuming that the interference sound is coming from the earpiece . But i realized that it is coming from the rear speaker. Can you test it ?. In a call ,turn back the phone and put speaker hole to your ear. The interference sound is so loud that you can hear it from the earpiece hole.
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are you sure about the sound is coming from the earpiece ? i am asking because few weeks ago i was also assuming that the interference sound is coming from the earpiece . But i realized that it is coming from the rear speaker. Can you test it ?. In a call ,turn back the phone and put speaker hole to your ear. The interference sound is so loud that you can hear it from the earpiece hole.
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my god, i think you're right.. it does sound like its the speaker..
what can i do to fix it?
jaikat said:
my god, i think you're right.. it does sound like its the speaker..
what can i do to fix it?
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jaikat said:
my god, i think you're right.. it does sound like its the speaker..
what can i do to fix it?
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This is the question which i am also looking for answers
Everyday i am searching for answers. Only a very few people experiencing this problem.
I think this problem is coming from the inductors in the speaker circuit part. You can look my first post .
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i have exactly the same problem. Like you; i tried every combination which i can. I think main cause of the problem is hardware related. But my opinion is ,it can be fixed with device drivers. I looked at service manual. In the speaker part of the service manual,you can see there are two inductors and one capacitor before the speaker module. You can see the full circuit in Service Manual Page 42.
h**p://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2383/speakerj.jpg
I think these inductors(L209,L210) are interferencing with the GSM frequencies and making that static sounds on the background.
We need someone who is an expert on linux and device drivers. Maybe he can show us to find a way to break this circuit(temporarily turn off B1 and A2 pins) in a call so it will not make that sounds.
In the other hand we may have defect phones. May be the only way is to change some parts.
sorry for my bad english.
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i have this problem too, i live in Romania, i tough my phone was broken, but a friend's phone also does that.
i notice it when making call while 3G data was running in the background. If 3g is off = no noise.
Also i have noticed, the way you hold the phone affects it. try holding it with 3 fingers to your head the covering the mic hole with the other. you should hear some interference right there. so it's probably: speaker+ extra sensitive mic + some antenna things
Also my friend had the phone for some months now and never noticed it i searched the web and we're not alone, i found this discussion on a couple of other forums, still nothing to do, or nobody reported back after they whet to the warranty service. i would go, but i don't have any warranty on mine.
I'm also from Romania and I noticed this annoying issue today. All my other friend with Galaxy S also have this problem, so I guess it's a normal thing.
The only solution, I guess, is to use 3G networks, at the risk of draining a bit more battery.
so bottom line is that on mine, i hear noise/buzzing/interference when i use 3g networks both on the speaker on the back and the earpiece (it's louder if i use 3g data while i'm making a call) - the issues goes away completely in gms(2 g) mode
and it depend on how i'm holding it - it's louder if i grip the phone in my hand (probably the wireless signal is lower and the phone increases the power needed to communicate to the network thus experiencing buzzing sound from the speakers like radios did back with the first cell phones before receiving a call)
so i guess i'm not the only one, right?
This issue is normal I think. No big deal. If the noise however gets so loud that it interferes with your call, get it changed. But the new ones you get might have the noises too. So what is important here is to keep the noise to the minimum.
With / Without the noise is totally an unknown cause now. At least have it settled to the least noisy.
*This is happening to everyone who is getting the phone since November 2010
I confirm this issue with more models.
Hi guys!
Bought myself my GT-S5570 (Galaxy Mini) a couple of months ago. This is my first Android experience. At first I was pleased, but then I noticed this static noise whilst in call. It's like, suddenly I can have ill-isch, distorted, "noise spikes" sort of things. Left my phone in for service under warranty. When I had it back, it was still messy. Bought myself a GT-5660 (Galaxy Gio) a week ago, thinking that this one would clear the issue. It's still there, though. I'm wondering if this is something that affects the whole Galaxy series, even the tougher models like S/S2.
Related threads, by me:
android.net/forum/samsung-galaxy-mini/60951-sudden-volume-spike-during-call.html
androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s/307523-samsung-galaxy-s-gt-i9000-static-ear.html
yesterday my cousin bought i9000 too. First of all i looked for the noise. It is interesting that that phone is nearly noise free. If i gave 10 point noise to my i9000 than that phone will be 2 points. You can hardly hear the noise. After that i get her SIM card and test my phone with that sim card.Noise is still there.I make that phone software same with my phone. That phone still has no noise.
I think the problem is in phone parts. Maybe a defected series of speakers used in our phones. I will buy a new speaker module on internet. I hope that fix my problem.
For me it depends more of the network I use than the phone. It happens sometime with an iPhone.
as i stated in my previous post in this thread, in my case i was sure it was the loud-speaker, i say "was" because i sold the phone, and thats the reason why i didn't come back to this thread since..
it seems there was something wrong with the loudspeaker(on the back of the phone), and it was, at least to me, one of those things where a person might not really notice unless you're looking for it.. my bad luck had caused me to flash a certain modem and the reception was bad, so once i reverted to the previous modem i was checking for the sound clarity and that was when i first noticed the static during calls..
then i realized it was coming from the speaker, as one good man in this thread suggested. i couldn't handle it though, i could hear it every time i make a call..
it didn't make a difference whether i was on 3g or gsm or both, it was always there, unless i went into airplane mode..
so i ended up selling the phone, and bought another, but before i had bought it i put my sim inside and made sure there was no static, and there isn't, whatsoever.. thank god.
i'm sorry i couldn't find any other solution to the problem, samsung service here had said they would replace the speaker, as the part comes on its own, unlike the case for the phone speaker, which, according to samsung, is bundled with the screen, and if i had wanted to change it i would have had to pay something like 200$ to fix...
those who have this problem, check if its the loudspeaker on the back of the phone is the actual culprit, and if it is, try to find a way to replace it or something, that is if it bothers you this much. or you can just sell the phone, there's a 99% chance those who buy it won't notice anything, because they're not looking for it..
good luck guys..
UPDATE: Sept, 23rd, 2013: I gave in a week ago and replaced my phone with a re-manufactured one per the suggestion of another rep. Was hesitant since I was doubtful it would solve the problem, nor did I want any NEW issues. Well, the replacement phone seems fine, except it still has the same microphone issue. A caller this weekend who hadn't actually experienced this problem with me before was very confused while talking to me... "hello? hello? You sound far away."
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UPDATE: May 29th, 2013: We are aware of the problem and there is a fix in the works, however, I do not currently have an ETA as to when that fix will roll out OTA as an update.
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Work Around 1: My personal work around so far is to hold phone steady, don't move it, and talk very evenly (no changes in volume). Occasionally have people unable to hear me, but my satisfaction with the phone has gone up now that I can control the problem more.
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Important Note: If the noise cancellation mic (top back of phone) hears your voice clearly, it may think you are background noise! Once you're registered as background noise, you'll have to be patient and wait 10-15 seconds for the phone to reset. Talking louder will lengthen the problem. Resist the urge, and speak at a normal volume until the caller can hear you again.
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I've had numerous people say I sound "distant", "muffled" or "very quiet" from time to time. It doesn't happen a lot and has been hard to track down. I now know it's not location, or signal related. The "pinky finger over mic" idea is brilliant, but I've been holding my phone with as minimal contact as possible since reading about the signal deathgrip issue to rule that one out too.
I even just called HTC on my ONE to report the problem and it started doing it. The girl couldn't believe what she was hearing.
Unfortunately, they couldn't replicate it in their offices immediately.
After some thinking, I can reproduce this problem any time now and wanted to see if anyone else could as well.
I think it is related to the dynamic MIC gain not resetting quickly enough, if at all.
Call someone and just start talking normally for a few sentences.
Turn the phone so the bottom edge (where the microUSB + MIC are) are pointing straight towards your mouth.
Speak a couple more sentences. (You may need to get it close to your mouth, you may need to speak slightly elevated to trigger the issue... But don't SCREAM AT THE PHONE; it seems to be smart enough to not be affected by this)
Revert phone to normal talking position and continue conversation.
When I do this... the other person cannot hear or make out what I'm saying for 10-15 seconds. Now obviously this seems stupid right? Who talks this way? Well, how do you talk to someone when you're looking something up on your phone during a call?
The real gotcha is that it happens to me when I'm just in a plain conversation. My thinking on that is maybe I coughed, or laughed loudly for a sec, or just accidentally moved the phone closer than I should have since I don't tend to sit like a statue when I'm in a call.
Let me know what you get, hopefully I can rule out personal phone defect vs. issue for HTC to look into for all of us.
Dude... you might have hit the nail on the head. I have exact same feedback from people.. they say "Are you there..? Can you ehar me.. " all of a sudden in the middle of a conversation. I will try this now with someone I know.. me being on the HTC One.
This is the ONLY thing bugging me. Hopefully I can replicate this.
This was basically my theory in the thread I started in General. I have a feeling that it is over-aggressive in its low-cut trying to get rid of background noise. So far since I swapped phones yesterday, I haven't had any complaints. I had a DEFINITE issue and it wasn't the pinky for me either.
Wonder if it's something that can be fixed in software.
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I've had numerous people say I sound "distant", "muffled" or "very quiet" from time to time. It doesn't happen a lot and has been hard to track down. I now know it's not location, or signal related. The "pinky finger over mic" idea is brilliant, but I've been holding my phone with as minimal contact as possible since reading about the signal deathgrip issue to rule that one out too.
I even just called HTC on my ONE to report the problem and it started doing it. The girl couldn't believe what she was hearing.
Unfortunately, they couldn't replicate it in their offices immediately.
After some thinking, I can reproduce this problem any time now and wanted to see if anyone else could as well.
I think it is related to the dynamic MIC gain not resetting quickly enough, if at all.
Call someone and just start talking normally for a few sentences.
Turn the phone so the bottom edge (where the microUSB + MIC are) are pointing straight towards your mouth.
Speak a couple more sentences. (You may need to get it close to your mouth, you may need to speak slightly elevated to trigger the issue... But don't SCREAM AT THE PHONE; it seems to be smart enough to not be affected by this)
Revert phone to normal talking position and continue conversation.
When I do this... the other person cannot hear or make out what I'm saying for 10-15 seconds. Now obviously this seems stupid right? Who talks this way? Well, how do you talk to someone when you're looking something up on your phone during a call?
The real gotcha is that it happens to me when I'm just in a plain conversation. My thinking on that is maybe I coughed, or laughed loudly for a sec, or just accidentally moved the phone closer than I should have since I don't tend to sit like a statue when I'm in a call.
Let me know what you get, hopefully I can rule out personal phone defect vs. issue for HTC to look into for all of us.
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Dude... you might have hit the nail on the head. I have exact same feedback from people.. they say "Are you there..? Can you ehar me.. " all of a sudden in the middle of a conversation. I will try this now with someone I know.. me being on the HTC One.
This is the ONLY thing bugging me. Hopefully I can replicate this.
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I'm glad it's not just me! It's frustrating especially during business calls, or conversations with older family members. Times when you really really need the phone to just work.
I've used Google Voice on another phone to call into and have made perfect MP3 recordings of this problem and already sent them to HTC. I can trigger this issue now on demand no problem by doing the above.
drbadass said:
This was basically my theory in the thread I started in General. I have a feeling that it is over-aggressive in its low-cut trying to get rid of background noise. So far since I swapped phones yesterday, I haven't had any complaints. I had a DEFINITE issue and it wasn't the pinky for me either.
Wonder if it's something that can be fixed in software.
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Excellent characterization of it, perhaps even badass, if I may.
Let me know if you still have the problem on your new phone by doing my test above with someone when you can. It's so easy to do. Just have a conversation and in the middle of it, turn the bottom mic to your mouth and talk just a little more loudly... then resume conversation. Guaranteed issue here on my phone.
And like I said, for anyone else passing by this thread... I know I'm sort of forcing the phone to have an issue by doing this, but it's just an easy way to show what has been happening to those of us with the problem during normal day-to-day conversations.
Once it happens, the louder you talk actually will make it worse. My only cure is to be silent and wait for it to "cool off" the processing it is doing. Again, not easy to do if your recipient isn't understanding.
I get the same comments from people too. They say it sounds like I talk away from the phone randomly, or cant hear what I am saying correctly. Funny thing is that when I was force roaming on verizon I never had one complaint about that. The first phone call after switching back to a sprint prl I had that complaint. So who knows
Ihave been having this problem as well. Was thinking about trying to exchange phone, but I was wondering if you ha e heard anything from HTC after reporting the issue
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junpei1337 said:
Ihave been having this problem as well. Was thinking about trying to exchange phone, but I was wondering if you ha e heard anything from HTC after reporting the issue
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I've sent them three audio samples to a special email they gave me for one of their upper tiers who wanted to look at this case specifically.
I'm able to make it happen with excellent signal, etc. and can do it every time now just by temporarily talking a little louder by turning the MIC towards my mouth.
No HTC response as of yet. Recordings were sent in 3 days ago. I'll update here as we move forward.
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I've sent them three audio samples to a special email they gave me for one of their upper tiers who wanted to look at this case specifically.
I'm able to make it happen with excellent signal, etc. and can do it every time now just by temporarily talking a little louder by turning the MIC towards my mouth.
No HTC response as of yet. Recordings were sent in 3 days ago. I'll update here as we move forward.
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Please do update us! If its a hardware issue that cant be fixed via software I guess I will just wait a while when they switch out their mics then exchange it :good:
Any updates Lauski?
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Any updates Lauski?
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Nada thing yet. I can still do it on demand no problem and still have people occasionally tell me they suddenly can't hear me.
I just called to check up and was told that I in fact, will be getting a call from the escalation team soon according to the notes on the ticket and they'll talk to me about my findings and may ask me to reproduce it on the fly. Obviously, I'll provide all info I learn back here.
I see...my 14 day return period was ending so I'm gonna just exchange the phone. I bought online so shipping is a bit of an ordeal.
Question, are you using an Airave by any chance? I make most of my calls off one, and haven't noticed the problem outside of using it with the Airave - altho it is a much smaller sample size. I'm wondering if this has anything to do with it. I'm also usually on WiFi when this happens.
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I see...my 14 day return period was ending so I'm gonna just exchange the phone. I bought online so shipping is a bit of an ordeal.
Question, are you using an Airave by any chance? I make most of my calls off one, and haven't noticed the problem outside of using it with the Airave - altho it is a much smaller sample size. I'm wondering if this has anything to do with it. I'm also usually on WiFi when this happens.
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Never been on an airave. I've tried in 3G areas, 4G areas, with WIFI on, with WIFI off, toggling between CDMA only and CDMA/LTE. I've had the issue in varying degrees of excellent signal and just average. I can also produce the effect (although it's not as drastic) with just using the voice recorder app.
Not that all of these make a difference, but just trying to be helpful so you know my exact situation. Let me know if after exchanging you see any improvement! I assume you're able to reproduce what I've done above with your current phone?
Update: Disappointing so far. I didn't get a call from the tech, but spoke to someone else after I received notification in an HTC Ticket. The new rep asked lots of questions, some relating to the problem, some not... he said he'd talk to the other tech (to whom I sent my audio samples) and would get back to me.
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Update: Disappointing so far. I didn't get a call from the tech, but spoke to someone else after I received notification in an HTC Ticket. The new rep asked lots of questions, some relating to the problem, some not... he said he'd talk to the other tech (to whom I sent my audio samples) and would get back to me.
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Erick_HTC is doing a Q&A on reddit later today, might be worth shooting it to him, he has gotten some answers for people in the past.
http://www.reddit.com/r/htcone/comments/1ebx9a/reminder_chat_today_in_5_hours_for_htc_one_support/
EDIT: Got you some visibility from him.
http://www.reddit.com/r/htcone/comm...be_answering_your_questions/c9yx5d4?context=3
As you can see, he says he and some of the guys up there are going to sit down and try to recreate the problem based on your description here. Hoping it works.
Not sure if my issue is related, but randomly on a call, usually a couple minutes in, I start getting severely choppy audio both in and out like nearly every other word is being dropped. This has happened while on a Airrave, in my car, and just standing in a parking lot.
I'm not seeing others with this exact issue but maybe someone can chime in as well? Might be I just got a lemon from a launch day pickup.
Felnarion said:
Erick_HTC is doing a Q&A on reddit later today, might be worth shooting it to him, he has gotten some answers for people in the past.
http://www.reddit.com/r/htcone/comments/1ebx9a/reminder_chat_today_in_5_hours_for_htc_one_support/
EDIT: Got you some visibility from him.
http://www.reddit.com/r/htcone/comm...be_answering_your_questions/c9yx5d4?context=3
As you can see, he says he and some of the guys up there are going to sit down and try to recreate the problem based on your description here. Hoping it works.
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That's awesome, thank you, I had missed it.
To update everyone else on this thread, we're moving along and I sent them audio samples recorded from the other person's end (recipient).
Seems like we are beginning to lean towards the noise cancellation mic on the back occasionally picking up your voice while in a call, and then the phone filtering your voice out, inadvertently thinking YOU are background noise. The frequency cut would make you sound far away, or like in a tunnel.
Makes sense and it may be randomly happening during a call when you switch ears, look something up on your phone, maybe turn your phone to let someone else speak with you on the phone for a moment, etc. and the mic on the back of the phone picks you up (these are personal theories).
My personal work around so far is to hold phone steady, don't move it, and talk very evenly (no changes in volume). Occasionally have people unable to hear me, but my satisfaction with the phone has gone up now that I can control the problem more.
I noticed muffled call quality as well and think it might be a defect. I noticed an issue also when I tried testing out the video quality and recorded a song playing from my stereo system. After recording it, I noticed almost all of the sound was on the left channel, and the right channel was almost non-existent. I uploaded the video to my computer to hear it and noticed the same issue - the left earphone was loud and clear, the right was very quiet.
Do those of you who have call quality issues also notice microphone issues during video recordings?
jpzsports said:
I noticed muffled call quality as well and think it might be a defect. I noticed an issue also when I tried testing out the video quality and recorded a song playing from my stereo system. After recording it, I noticed almost all of the sound was on the left channel, and the right channel was almost non-existent. I uploaded the video to my computer to hear it and noticed the same issue - the left earphone was loud and clear, the right was very quiet.
Do those of you who have call quality issues also notice microphone issues during video recordings?
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I'm having the same problems.....call recipients complain of my voice going in and out. I originally thought it was a defective mic. However, when I tried to record my voice like jpzsports, both left and right channels produced clear sound. I've also tried covering both rear and front mics while recording my voice...the muffled sound only occurs when I cover the front mic (which would be expected).
I'm leaning towards lauski's theory. It does seem to be some type of defective noise cancellation software that chooses to actively cut out my voice. At least, that's the only thing that would make sense if the mic seems to be functioning properly.
Let me know if you guys figure anything else out!
I can replicate the problem all the time by holding the phone with my shoulder instead of my hand. I thought it was my otterbox or I was blocking a Mic but I'm not...Hope a SW update fixes it.
Btw it's my left shoulder pressed against my ear.
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Bought Xperia Z3C and from the first day some calls didn't work well... Others couldn't hear me about 60-70% of the calls, sometimes they heard like strong wind is blowing into the mic and when I put the call on loudspeaker then it worked, they heard me loud and clear.
So I took the phone back and ordered a new one, cause I really like Z3C, even more, if it would work with no problems
So my new, second Z3C, same green beauty - but same problem! I tried repairing with the first phone and tried doing the tests, neither helped. Only this time about half of the calls act like that. Sometimes if I put the call on speaker and then back, it works again, but not always.
So my question would be - Has anyone else had this kind of problem? And if so, what did You do? Is there even anything to do? Is it hardware or software?
There is no other phone I would like but it would be silly for me to try the same thing third time.
sorry to hear that,i guess that when you take the calls ,you cover the loudspeaker at the bottom of the phone
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Similar thing happened to me, I had to yell first few days untill I discovered I had a bad habit from old mobile phone.
When i talk and holding the phone, my thumb is on the one side, three fingers on the other side, but that little finger is on the bottom, like i hold the phone not to slip down.
And the mic is positioned exactly so my little finger would cover it. That was my reason people couldn't hear me.
I doubt it's your case, but try to see if you do the same thing
Agree with others -- the mic is in a slightly odd place and I had to adjust the way I hold the phone to avoid blocking it in some way. Aren't the mics usually on the bottom left instead of the bottom right like the Z3c?
exact same problem
stinarammul said:
Bought Xperia Z3C and from the first day some calls didn't work well... Others couldn't hear me about 60-70% of the calls, sometimes they heard like strong wind is blowing into the mic and when I put the call on loudspeaker then it worked, they heard me loud and clear.
So I took the phone back and ordered a new one, cause I really like Z3C, even more, if it would work with no problems
So my new, second Z3C, same green beauty - but same problem! I tried repairing with the first phone and tried doing the tests, neither helped. Only this time about half of the calls act like that. Sometimes if I put the call on speaker and then back, it works again, but not always.
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I have the same problem in All voice communication apps and normal calls.
If i test the microphone at The built in test i get no problem but in skype, Facebook and All other things that uses my Mic it cuts off and makes a windy sound. I was allmost ripping my own head off in anger and confusion because everybody i call is making me say things 5 - 10 times. And now i see im not the only one... What to do? Great phone beside that and headphone and aux volume is adjusting it self..
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stinarammul said:
Bought Xperia Z3C and from the first day some calls didn't work well... Others couldn't hear me about 60-70% of the calls, sometimes they heard like strong wind is blowing into the mic and when I put the call on loudspeaker then it worked, they heard me loud and clear.
So I took the phone back and ordered a new one, cause I really like Z3C, even more, if it would work with no problems
So my new, second Z3C, same green beauty - but same problem! I tried repairing with the first phone and tried doing the tests, neither helped. Only this time about half of the calls act like that. Sometimes if I put the call on speaker and then back, it works again, but not always.
So my question would be - Has anyone else had this kind of problem? And if so, what did You do? Is there even anything to do? Is it hardware or software?
There is no other phone I would like but it would be silly for me to try the same thing third time.
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I had this kind of a problem on the latest firmware (.77) sometimes. How about you try downgrading to an older firmware? Like the .93 firmware which can also be rooted
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Got the same problem. After disabling "noise cancellation" (not sure how it's named in English FW) in settings > Call problems is resolved.
But now everyone hears everything within range of the main mic and thats not cool.
Can anyone confirm its related to 23.0.1.A.5.77 Firmware?
On previous version didn't had any issues except phone went underwater and died, and new one is already on the newest fw ;/
Don't want to do root due to guarantee issues after this.
hiryu_pl said:
Got the same problem. After disabling "noise cancellation" (not sure how it's named in English FW) in settings > Call problems is resolved.
But now everyone hears everything within range of the main mic and thats not cool.
Can anyone confirm its related to 23.0.1.A.5.77 Firmware?
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+1 the same issue,
serviceman flushed the original firmware twice
nothing helped, they even refused to refund saying that they can not identify the problem .
Farewell guaranty, I'll try CM mb that will help.
The problem is floating, suspect bad mic contact or bad capacitor installed.
both require disassembling for proof.
Service tests shows that mic is ok.
Does anyone know how to get voltage\capacity curves from mic without disassembling ? mb some test pins on the back ?
olomagik said:
+1 the same issue,
serviceman flushed the original firmware twice
nothing helped, they even refused to refund saying that they can not identify the problem .
Farewell guaranty, I'll try CM mb that will help.
The problem is floating, suspect bad mic contact or bad capacitor installed.
both require disassembling for proof.
Service tests shows that mic is ok.
Does anyone know how to get voltage\capacity curves from mic without disassembling ? mb some test pins on the back ?
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Do you can tell what is the sound recorded by 2nd mic? Mine is very low, like almost subwoofer
And on what Firmware you are?
stinarammul said:
Bought Xperia Z3C and from the first day some calls didn't work well... Others couldn't hear me about 60-70% of the calls, sometimes they heard like strong wind is blowing into the mic and when I put the call on loudspeaker then it worked, they heard me loud and clear.
So I took the phone back and ordered a new one, cause I really like Z3C, even more, if it would work with no problems
So my new, second Z3C, same green beauty - but same problem! I tried repairing with the first phone and tried doing the tests, neither helped. Only this time about half of the calls act like that. Sometimes if I put the call on speaker and then back, it works again, but not always.
So my question would be - Has anyone else had this kind of problem? And if so, what did You do? Is there even anything to do? Is it hardware or software?
There is no other phone I would like but it would be silly for me to try the same thing third time.
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I had this problem, people did not understand what I said, TrackID was struggling to identify music. I left a message on my mailbox and could barely hear, changing the phone position helped a bit but it was still not loud. Sent the phone in repair and now it's perfect, I can whisper and people understand me
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I had this problem, people did not understand what I said, TrackID was struggling to identify music. I left a message on my mailbox and could barely hear, changing the phone position helped a bit but it was still not loud. Sent the phone in repair and now it's perfect, I can whisper and people understand me
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You had issues with the main mic - I do not have (luckilly) such an issue. Only 2nd has some problems, but if I launch service tests it records sounds fine. With different quality than 1st mic but records properly.
Mine was recording fine in service tests also (replay sounded ok), but it was apparently not sufficient in calls. I think the service test is very sensitive, with my repaired unit I can whisper at 10 cm and still perfectly understand on the recording.
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Mine was recording fine in service tests also (replay sounded ok), but it was apparently not sufficient in calls. I think the service test is very sensitive, with my repaired unit I can whisper at 10 cm and still perfectly understand on the recording.
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Please post reply to those questions:
1. Do you have enabled noise-cancelling function.
2. Which mic you test in service menu?
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Please post reply to those questions:
1. Do you have enabled noise-cancelling function.
2. Which mic you test in service menu?
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1) Tried both, no difference
2) Tested microphone
Microphone in Z3C is the worst part of the phone
Im also have problems, or people Im talking to via phone, cause previous phone which I still have - SGS 5 mini - has very sensitive mic.
Both my phones are watter proof, also has special membrane, but when Im callling one to another difference are HUGE.
I checked 2 phones of my friends, and thier Z3C's have the same sensitivity, but the dont complain, as suppose they are usualy yelling
In SGS5mini I can rotate phone around the ear and still very louldy and clearly someone can hear me, thera are little diffrences ofcourse, but in Z3C where even when Im trying to have microphone close to mouth sound is much quieter - moving the phone little bit and conversation can be irritating.
It already pissed me off 3 times so much that I ended conversation, because of complaining of the other people.
P.S. Before someone will ask - yes, I disabled noise cancelling function from the begining, also trying different sound settings in call and sound menu.
SOLVED - at least in my case
What I did till today was:
disable any sound "improvements" in menu
cleaning microphone hole with compressed air
After test I saw little improvement, but still I was merely heard by other caller.
Looking mixer_paths.xml tried few times changing parameters and found the right one to rise sensitivity of internal mic.
Below are unchanged section that I'm talking about - in bold specific value that we can rise.
Code:
<path name="handset-mic">
<path name="adc4" />
<!-- 67 % of 124 (range 0 - 124) Register: 0x231 -->
<ctl name="DEC3 Volume" value="[B]83[/B]" />
<!-- 63 % of 19 (range 0 - 19) Register: 0x15F -->
<ctl name="ADC4 Volume" value="12" />
</path>
I choose value=92 as this found to be still safe (don't use to high values as it can damage your device) and I'm pretty happy now of my Z3C
Prepared MOD for this change to apply from recovery.
I've sent mine for repair. They said everything is ok, since repair service does not test calling in real life - just service tests, where this issue is impossible to catch. Had to ask them for "special" test - calling from my phone to somebody, and checking the difference between Noice cancelling feature turned on and off.
Hi any mod for stock ?
My wife have z3c everything was fine just one day start cut off world etc.
Will try with disabled reduce noise option
Any other solution ?
Guys I had the same problem, solved it today
Mine was running latest android 5.0.2(23.1.A.1.28) Z3 compact.
In my Music application(Walkman app updated to Music)-settings-Audio Settings- Mic sensitivity set to High.
Other person can hear me crystal clear
I suspect this is a Bluetooth related issue. I have my Bluetooth always on and when driving and calling there is no issue on car kit. I found an workaround, when calling before connected I press loudspeaker and mute unmute