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Does anyone have the same problems with the breeze that when you make a call it can drop it with no warning show "No service" and suddenly get it back straight away?
i have radio 1.38 installed, using a ORange UK 3G PAYG sim in a full coverage 2G area and 1-2 bars 3G area.
i have tried to set the thing to GSM only and 3G only but this doesn't solve it. has anyone......anyone out there figured a way to sort this?
or does anyone know of the possibility of getting a replacement from HTC that works?
cheers to anyone who can help
Dan
Same problem here, with Orange also, although on contract with them.
Please let me know if you find a solution. I emailed HTC, which I already know you have done, and you have had a replacement handset. This is not a good start for me
I had the best luck with my Sony Ericsson K610i. It was the best 3G Bluetooth Modem ever.. shame no Exchange ActiveSync/DirectPush
I have exactly same problem. Phone calls are dropped with no services message. And I have to restart phone at least once a week because my phone will fail to find any network. After reboot it works fine for a while. I have latest firmware with 1.38 radio. Phone is from O2 CZ.
Hi guys,
did you try to switch from 2G and 3G connection to 2G only? I assume this problem is caused by the network coverage while the Breeze is switching from 3G to 2G and vice versa. Me and some friends (Vodafone and T-Mobil) didn't discover these kind of problems.....
Cheers
Michael
Yes, I did it. But I still have to restart phone every week because phone lost signal.
I'm thinking about to flashing newer radio.
Hmm, we are using this version: "MTeoR_Upgrade_1.34.251.1_1.38.00.10_EUR_SHIP.exe" and it works well......
Hello All,
I have a problem with my kaiser, it started i think 2 weeks ago. I have vodafone (netherlands) with a data connection account (hsdpa). Now is the problem that i can't use umts (3g) or hspda. The only thing i can use is gprs. It looks like the modem or something is broken. But that is a kind of weird because (if i understand correctly) its al the same chip (wifi and so on). When i open internet explorer it begins to connect a gprs, 3g data connection. But it can't connect, than you can see a X by the synchronisation arrows (on the top of the screen). And after a few secconds it comes with a message that with the current settings there can't be a data connection. But if seen other messages as well ( the modem on the other side disconnected the connection) The weird thing is that i tried my sim card in my friends kaiser there it works fine, so it have to be my kaiser.
Ok what i tried:
I have a dutch htc kaiser (not vodafone branded or anything)
I use the latest dutty rom, but i tried the orriginal rom and different roms to see if the problem was the rom or something.
When i let the 3g mode on i can see that the phone finds a 3g connection (to call over umts).
Is there any program or tool or something so i can test the modem?
Or does anyone know a sollution for me, i will be very greatfull!!
Ok i tried a other radio to, maybe this was the problem. But it didn't, at this moment i have the default htc dutch rom (who was on the phone when i got it). I searched the net for the same problems, what i found was that this error could be happening when you have your wifi connection open, but i have wifi disabled. The phone is still receiving a 3G connection, but after a few secconds the 3G icon is gone and the failed synchronisation icon (two arrows with an X) is visible. than you can see that the phone is reconnecting. and then if i want to connect to the internet the same story as above is happening.
When i search internet i couldn't find an tool to test the chip/modem.
Because i have it spl unlocked i can't return it for rma, is it posible to restore the default spl?
Hi,
unfortunately I have the same problem with my Kaiser. I have an unbranded German version and it worked fine with all bands (GPRS, EDGE, UMTS(3G) and HSDPA) but since two weeks ago its only working with GPRS and EDGE mode. I have to change band-selection from AUTO to GSM in order to make or receive any calls.
I didn't do any ROM flashing, everything remains the same as the device was shipped.
I assume, that something is damaged but I have no idea how it could happen or how I can find out exactly what is causing the problem.
Since there is still warranty I'll return my Kaiser soon.
seems to be a widening problem
hi,
it seems many have the same issue, see my other posts for linkage to some other threads on it...no solution yet as far as I can tell.
rich
p.s. moderators any chance to link these threads and make a sticky?
ok, thanks for your reply. I've allready found another thread for that issue. But im still uncertain if its a bug in my device or a combination of a bug with a provider specific (Tmob Germany) problem or if its only the provider to blame for??
Chris
I have a slightly different problem. I don't have 3G in my area but only EDGE. Now the problem is that I cannot get speeds higher than about 80 kbs with EDGE.
Now when I put the same SIM in my Touch I can get speeds upto 200 kbs. So obviously this is not a problem of my service provider but rather something wrong with the device.
I have repeated the trial by swapping SIMs a number of times but with similar results all the time. Really don't know of a solution. Will appreciate any help.
haven't seen the edge problem
hi,
my edge speeds seem to vary more by location...I measure up to 200+kbs but have seen it go much lower too. there is a location where I can still get 3G working and i measured up to 1.7mbs for downloading! At my home location it is sporadic edge only and I can't even always get to speakeasy.com to test it, sometimes the speedtest says its not licensed..switching to wifi and it works. My guess is some needed ports are getting blocked by at&t at times..because sometimes it works. I brought all this up with at&t..they are taking some charges off this month and switched me to a cheaper plan too...so they at least seem to care even if they can't quite fix things yet.
rich
I have this weird problem with data connections. I couldn't find anything simular to this on the forum.
My provider (vodafone NL) does supports umts & 3G, I got a full data subscription, and the area i'm in is fully covered.
Now if I go to Settings - Phone - Band there are 2 different settings you can tweak; 'Network Type' and 'GSM/UMTS Band'. Those are standard set to 'Auto'. With those settings my phone says it has 3G connection (above the indicator bars and an icon), but i can't make any calls or get any data from the network. sometimes it also says the server ended the connection, but it still remains connected.
If I set Network Type to GSM, I can make calls, but only connect trough gprs wich is waaaaay to slow for me.
Setting it to WCDMA won't give me a connection at all. Turning HSDPA on or of doesn't make any difference also.
I figured updating my ROM would fix this, but it didn't. I tried different roms.
Is this a known problem, and more important, is there a fix for this ? It is driving me crazy !!
little more info;
ROM version : dutty's WM6.1 WWE
Radio version : 1.64.08.21
Protocol version : 25.74.40.02H
HTC branded Tytn II
Any advice is very welcome !!
Thanks in advance
i keep mine on auto but use bandswitch to switch between edge and 3g or some people gprs to 3g,sounds like a proxy issue since u wouldnt make calls on the wrong band,gsm works for calls so that part must be right so it has to be your internet settings and/or proxy
I checked the (proxy) settings on the website of my provider, and it seems to be okay. Those are settings for gprs tough, but it seems to me it should work as well for umts. It are also the settings the device initialy chooses for my provider..
I was thinking, might a radio update do the trick...? I did read somewhere that has to do with connections..
not necessarily, radios are more so driver issues for hardware such as gps,bluetooth,wifi,keyboards and cameras. i highly doubt another radio could fix this one since i never came across this with any combo of rom and radio before
Well then I don't know anymore what to do. It is probably a hardware related problem so I'll have to make a phonecall to HTC.
Thanks for the advice dyetheskin !
If someone does have a solution... still happier to get it fixed myself !
Crybaby84 said:
Well then I don't know anymore what to do. It is probably a hardware related problem so I'll have to make a phonecall to HTC.
Thanks for the advice dyetheskin !
If someone does have a solution... still happier to get it fixed myself !
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I am having the same issue.
More wierd is that it used to work perfectly in the beginning and couple of days ago it started acting like this.
I called my mobile provider thinking it might be USIM problem, however it wasn't.
Now I also think it's a HW problem. Next week I'll take it to a lab and hopefully it will be an easy solution.
I called HTC Tech support 2 weeks ago, and they confirmed it was a hardware related problem. They had 2 simular cases before..
Well, at least they will repair it for free
Suddenly it had happened; NO 3G nor GPRS data transmission. I can see the 3G sign , but when I make calls the phone disconnects; when somebody call me, he received a message that my phone is off line. Only when 3G signal is on. But when normal GSM is on, everything will be OK. My phone can not get data from the internet, even though it shows that is is connected. I tried all of the above solutions to fix this problem but no helpand sometimes it shows 3g sign but as soon as i try to call some1 all the signals are gone.. I tried to hard reset and try it before installing any software, no help. I tried mostly all available ROMs and Radio ROMs; even the original, but not fixed. I do not what to do. Now, I am using the phone with GSM only, NO 3G. Please help!!!
nunu said:
Suddenly it had happened; NO 3G nor GPRS data transmission. I can see the 3G sign , but when I make calls the phone disconnects; when somebody call me, he received a message that my phone is off line. Only when 3G signal is on. But when normal GSM is on, everything will be OK. My phone can not get data from the internet, even though it shows that is is connected. I tried all of the above solutions to fix this problem but no helpand sometimes it shows 3g sign but as soon as i try to call some1 all the signals are gone.. I tried to hard reset and try it before installing any software, no help. I tried mostly all available ROMs and Radio ROMs; even the original, but not fixed. I do not what to do. Now, I am using the phone with GSM only, NO 3G. Please help!!!
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Might kinda help to tell folks where you live. Country? State/province?
UK,London
thnx for your reply i live in London,United Kingdom
Signal lost, this might help...
nunu said:
Suddenly it had happened; NO 3G nor GPRS data transmission. I can see the 3G sign , but when I make calls the phone disconnects; when somebody call me, he received a message that my phone is off line. Only when 3G signal is on. But when normal GSM is on, everything will be OK. My phone can not get data from the internet, even though it shows that is is connected. I tried all of the above solutions to fix this problem but no helpand sometimes it shows 3g sign but as soon as i try to call some1 all the signals are gone.. I tried to hard reset and try it before installing any software, no help. I tried mostly all available ROMs and Radio ROMs; even the original, but not fixed. I do not what to do. Now, I am using the phone with GSM only, NO 3G. Please help!!!
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Hi there nunu,
I had the same problem, went back to the store and nope not a known problem.... So I started to troubleshoot this
1. normal G connection
2. 3G appears or even H
3. signal lost and after 30 sec. the cycle starts again.
what worked for me was the changing the of the radio version. I am currently in the Netherlands and here the NEON_Radinly_1.65.24.36 works fine, I confirmed it by loading a rom with a different radio in it and the result was again the same.
hope this helped in any way...
Let me (us) know.
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life is good, but life get's much better with a Kaiser
are you trying to connect with [email protected] / cingular1 ?
this is the kinda information you should have put in your first post
I use the above and have zero problems in Philadelphia
My 3G went out for like a day here (Phone only worked on Edge), then it started working again. Cellular carriers do have outages from time to time. Has it been a long while since it stopped working?
nunu said:
Suddenly it had happened; NO 3G nor GPRS data transmission. I can see the 3G sign , but when I make calls the phone disconnects; when somebody call me, he received a message that my phone is off line. Only when 3G signal is on. But when normal GSM is on, everything will be OK. My phone can not get data from the internet, even though it shows that is is connected. I tried all of the above solutions to fix this problem but no helpand sometimes it shows 3g sign but as soon as i try to call some1 all the signals are gone.. I tried to hard reset and try it before installing any software, no help. I tried mostly all available ROMs and Radio ROMs; even the original, but not fixed. I do not what to do. Now, I am using the phone with GSM only, NO 3G. Please help!!!
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Flash to a different compatible radio. If you do not get 3G/H service back, then you have a hardware issue with your radio, and will need to have the phone serviced.
what newtwork are you on?
have you tried your sim in a different handset?
what happens when running in gsm only mode?
in settings phone network change selection to manual and tap find networks and reselect network (this is known as a manual roam) does this make a difference?
Same here!, im in montreal, canada with Rogers, and in 3g doesnt work, it detects the 3G network, but as soon as i try to make a call or go on the internet it looses the signal and i have to go on GSM mode.
and i'm using LKDV12 but i still had the same problem on AT&T Original rom, and Dual V2.
Anyone?
Major problem --
I have been travelling round the world for a year and have the same problem, Have tried many radios, if I use 3G( wscdma) or auto band then the signal drops everytime i try to make a call, and no data is possible however if I use gsm only data and voice work fine, thease symptoms are on many networks, Chile, Easter Island,Tahiti, NZ, Fiji, Optus ( OZ ), and m1 ( singapore ),
Radios tried
EMO 1.71.09.01
Neon 1.65.24.36
1.65.21.18 ( att )
I even loaded the generic dopod rom + radio and it didnt seem to help.
Is it possible something low level has changed whilst doing all this flashing ?
Or could the Hard SPL affect something.
I always try to buy a 3G USIM in each country and test the sim in a backup G800 to ensure the carrier has enabled 3g data okay.
Phone is Kaiser ( HTC TytnII )
ROM is varied but and usually lorentis series roms -- L26 12 light atm
Symptoms, 3G icon shows but data wont connect, if you try to call radio strength bar drops to zero and cell communications are lost , sometimes reestablishes comms but often needs soft reset to band switch to work.
If 3G icon not showing all calls and GPRS data works Okay.
Personally I would not expect this to be a hardware failiure as many others are experiencing teh same fault and for working hardware to fail in use is more erratic in the failiure mode, but a low level register, or some other type of protocol corruption could easiliy be the cause......
The proven "high GPS current consumption in standby" issue is also present as it seems to be on all Kaisers but afaik the root cause of this was never resolved either .....
my Kaiser do not work with 3G only works on GSM NEED HELP
HI I´m from mexico telcel gsm band and the same problm works on my kaiser tried changing the rom put the htc rom again the radio too
settingsROM 1.62.502.0 WINDOWS MOBILE 6 BUILD 1828.0.4.4
RADIO 1.27.14.09
PROTOCOL 22.45.88.07H
by the way how can i make it work on gsm only or edge or other than 3g that doesn't work
tks for your assistance iñm getting frustrated
edge
nunu said:
Suddenly it had happened; NO 3G nor GPRS data transmission. I can see the 3G sign , but when I make calls the phone disconnects; when somebody call me, he received a message that my phone is off line. Only when 3G signal is on. But when normal GSM is on, everything will be OK. My phone can not get data from the internet, even though it shows that is is connected. I tried all of the above solutions to fix this problem but no helpand sometimes it shows 3g sign but as soon as i try to call some1 all the signals are gone.. I tried to hard reset and try it before installing any software, no help. I tried mostly all available ROMs and Radio ROMs; even the original, but not fixed. I do not what to do. Now, I am using the phone with GSM only, NO 3G. Please help!!!
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i have the same problem did you make it work how you set a gsm band instead of the 3g on the phone tks for your assis
dr.vogel
I have the same problem. Already had it with WM6.0 original HTC ROM (Finnish ROM, but language set to English). Then sent it to service. It came back, they said they "reapplied software or smth" and it worked after that. Then after 6.1 update again, the same problem (even with the latest updated Radio ROM).
When I set band selection to auto, it picks up 3G or even H but tends to loose it and definetly looses connection to network if I try to make a call. Can't take any incoming calls either.
It works ok when I force it to use GSM (EDGE for data) on Band selection tab, in phone properties.
I probably won't bother taking it to service anymore cause there is no local service here in Estonia, they ship it to Finland and it will take a minimum of 3 weeks...
... so I'm waiting for Xperia X1 and hope it's not as much HTC.
nunu said:
Suddenly it had happened; NO 3G nor GPRS data transmission. I can see the 3G sign , but when I make calls the phone disconnects; when somebody call me, he received a message that my phone is off line. Only when 3G signal is on. But when normal GSM is on, everything will be OK. My phone can not get data from the internet, even though it shows that is is connected. I tried all of the above solutions to fix this problem but no helpand sometimes it shows 3g sign but as soon as i try to call some1 all the signals are gone.. I tried to hard reset and try it before installing any software, no help. I tried mostly all available ROMs and Radio ROMs; even the original, but not fixed. I do not what to do. Now, I am using the phone with GSM only, NO 3G. Please help!!!
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Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335074
Hardware problem, repair needed and unavoidable to get 3G functionality back.
I have the same problem.
I bought an O2 Stellar (Kaiser) from a work colleague and it worked fine on 3G/Auto on the day I bought it.
The next morning, when I switched on the phone, it had exactly the symptoms described (i.e. it would only work if forced into GSM mode).
My colleague took it back to O2 under warranty.
1 week later, it was returned as 'fixed', but it actually still had the problem, so my colleague returned it again to O2.
Another week later, O2 provided a replacement unit under warranty.
The replacement worked fine, until the next morning when I turned on the phone and had to force it into GSM mode again because it wouldn't work in 3G/Auto mode.
I'm on 3 in the UK and I suspect the problem is something to do with the roaming onto Orange GSM which happens when there is no 3G signal from 3UK. However, on the day each of the units worked, it was switching between 3G and GSM repeatedly because the 3G signal is fairly poor in my office.
I'm now waiting for my colleague to return from his holiday so that he can return this unit to O2 and we'll see if we get another replacement. If we do, I'm very reluctant to actually use it - I think I'll probably just sell it on and get something different. Shame because I really like the Kaiser.
as mentioned before, another thing that you should've tried is to call the helpline and see if there's an outage in your area. I've been experiencing the same problem in a very particular area (3G hand-off to EDGE problem only happens on campus). Tried different radios and problem still exist, so I gave them a call today and turned out that there is an outage here.
In my case, it's not caused by a network outage - 3G works fine on my Hermes in the same locations.
Good thought though.
Relax boys...I have'd the same problem... The only solution is to go with your phone for warranty return. There they will change your TyTN II mother board and all will be ok. IT IS THE ONLY WAY.
PS do the same thing I did http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418375
i post this thead and the solution
i post this tread an the solution came on tha answer of various of you great ideas i get the solution changing the rom and the wm to 6.1 and the rom is the dutty's it has worked almost perfectly in any wy itested only some install on the gps progrms but no mayor problem tks all you friens for a great support
The same thing has happened to me as well (Orange UK).
Initially I thought that it was an outage in my area as my friends had problems connecting to 3G as well, but their problem has been fixed but I still cannot.
I'll be contacting their tech support dept. later today and I'll post back.
Hi all,
I am using my Diamond on the UK Orange network and am having constant problems with the data connectivity over GRPS/3G. I have the phone synced to our Exchange server and also have an IMAP email account. It is set to use push but I often find the active sync in "waiting for network" mode rather than connected. If I keep hitting "sync", it will eventually connect and get my mail. I also find frequently that Opera times out and my IMAP mails fails saying it cannot "connect to server". Other times I can see the data connection restart or just go missing. I thought it was just my handset but after looking at a few collegues with Diamoinds, also on Orange, they seem to have similar issues. I'm going to bring this up with Orange but wanted to see if anyone had any ideas.
We are all running the official Orange 1.93 Rom. (With us having replacement insurance I am not keep on flashing a non official ROM via HARDSPL. I've had four Diamond already due to various faults!)
Any advice would be appreciated. data is a business critivcal function for us and currently either Orange or the Diamond are letting us down.
Thanks!
Steve
stevebuk said:
Hi all,
I am using my Diamond on the UK Orange network and am having constant problems with the data connectivity over GRPS/3G. I have the phone synced to our Exchange server and also have an IMAP email account. It is set to use push but I often find the active sync in "waiting for network" mode rather than connected. If I keep hitting "sync", it will eventually connect and get my mail. I also find frequently that Opera times out and my IMAP mails fails saying it cannot "connect to server". Other times I can see the data connection restart or just go missing. I thought it was just my handset but after looking at a few collegues with Diamoinds, also on Orange, they seem to have similar issues. I'm going to bring this up with Orange but wanted to see if anyone had any ideas.
We are all running the official Orange 1.93 Rom. (With us having replacement insurance I am not keep on flashing a non official ROM via HARDSPL. I've had four Diamond already due to various faults!)
Any advice would be appreciated. data is a business critivcal function for us and currently either Orange or the Diamond are letting us down.
Thanks!
Steve
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Hi i am on orange in nottingham and i am having the same problem i am running a offical HTC rom 1.93 and i cannot get online just keeps cutting out the data connection, if you call orange and get an answer please PM me as i need this fixing cos its getting bad now no internet on my diamond
Thanks
YIPPY me 3!! i thought it was just me with 3G problems!!
i'm also having issues making video calls and surfing the www via the 3G on orange i have looked and looked for settings concerning 3G and it's coverage and i'm drawing a blank.
i've called orange too and was told there should be no reasons as to why i'm having so many problems with it, as all things were normal and correct as far as they could tell and my location nottingham has 3G masts all over infact i was in the middle of 3.
i was wondering what effect changing the network type would have from auto to GSM/WCDMA and changing the GSM/UMTS band from auto to one of the others listed (too lazy to type them all out )
are there any tweek tools out there which can booost the signal reception?? it does my nut in to see the 3G icon flash up and disappear as soon as i try to use any of the 3G functions..
I've been getting this problem the last week or so too. Very odd as it used to work perfectly.
nlnasty said:
YIPPY me 3!! i thought it was just me with 3G problems!!
i'm also having issues making video calls and surfing the www via the 3G on orange i have looked and looked for settings concerning 3G and it's coverage and i'm drawing a blank.
i've called orange too and was told there should be no reasons as to why i'm having so many problems with it, as all things were normal and correct as far as they could tell and my location nottingham has 3G masts all over infact i was in the middle of 3.
i was wondering what effect changing the network type would have from auto to GSM/WCDMA and changing the GSM/UMTS band from auto to one of the others listed (too lazy to type them all out )
are there any tweek tools out there which can booost the signal reception?? it does my nut in to see the 3G icon flash up and disappear as soon as i try to use any of the 3G functions..
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i would say that it is an orange problem and them being them dont want to admit it cos it would proberly cost them customers and money
Problem with Diamond GPRS
Hello all,
I live in Tehran, Iran and I use Irancell network operator.
GPRS is available in this network and I could use it on my old cell phones such as SonyEricsson W810 and Nokia N81. But now I have HTC Touch Diamond and when I try to connect it to GPRS it tooks a long time to connect, showing "Connecting" but after a while it cannot connect!
Everything is OK, all settings, etc. I called Irancell but they say your phone is not compatible our network!
I think there must be a way to use this networks GRPS on my Diamond!
The first reason that made my buy this cell phone was its Internet capabilities...
and I know this networks use the same settings as South Africa Network Operator.
If anyone can help, please tell me.
Thanks.
Sounds more like a network problem than a handset problem imo. I hope I am not tempting fate but I have not had any problems with data connections on UK T-mobile. That said, I get a weaker signal than I do on my old MDA Compact III handset so I think part of the problem could be the internal aerial
The bottom line for me is that the Diamond is a good but flawed phone. ****e battery life and too clever, compact, aestheticaly pleasing for its own good
You get a very quick GPS fix for Google maps and sat nag though
Apologies for going off at a tangent
I'm on Orange, also in Nottingham and have been having this problem for the last week or so too.
Must be a network problem. I have to tap on the "H" connection icon, tap Disconnect and try again.
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Viffer800 said:
...The bottom line for me is that the Diamond is a good but flawed phone. ****e battery life and too clever, compact, aestheticaly pleasing for its own good
You get a very quick GPS fix for Google maps and sat nag though
Apologies for going off at a tangent
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I agree that it's flawed, the biggest problem being battery life. The next biggest problem is that TF3D seems to be incredibly poor and half-finished. My solution is not to use it, that way you have a normal old-style WM phone but smaller, sleeker and faster with a VGA screen. HTH
Im all good here
nlnasty said:
YIPPY me 3!! i thought it was just me with 3G problems!!
i'm also having issues making video calls and surfing the www via the 3G on orange i have looked and looked for settings concerning 3G and it's coverage and i'm drawing a blank.
i've called orange too and was told there should be no reasons as to why i'm having so many problems with it, as all things were normal and correct as far as they could tell and my location nottingham has 3G masts all over infact i was in the middle of 3.
i was wondering what effect changing the network type would have from auto to GSM/WCDMA and changing the GSM/UMTS band from auto to one of the others listed (too lazy to type them all out )
are there any tweek tools out there which can booost the signal reception?? it does my nut in to see the 3G icon flash up and disappear as soon as i try to use any of the 3G functions..
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I have a orange Diamond and live in cheshire, i have never had one problem with connecting to data services, always get a strong signal.
My phone is running duttys rom 2.3a (there are newer virsions, time of writing 2.7rc2) and the latest radio BS14, That radio is very quick at switching from Gprs, 3G and HSDPA, it has also increased my signal strenth a tad. its worth looking at that.Other than changing these, knowing orange it could be there network, it happens from time to time.
i have considered flashing my phone with a new ROM but since i've never done this type of thing before, i'm worried i'll end up creating a nice looking paper weight and with all the ROM's out there how do know which is best??
wrong answer edit.