GPS with iPAQ 6515 - Beetles

Hi everybody!
Does anybody of you guys have an experience using GPS navigation with iPAQ 6515? I tried to install TomTom 6 on my iPAQ but it lead strange behavior: no voices and maps were found; after turning off TomTom all sounds were gone on the iPAQ. It makes me suspicious about the version of TomTom I used. So my question if there's any special version of TomTom to be installed on iPAQ 6515. Is there perhaps any alternative GPS navigation software that could be used instead?
I thank you for advices and suggestions in advance!

Try destinator 7 my friend

dhmv2001 said:
Try destinator 7 my friend
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Thanks for suggestion! Is it good?

I have been using TomTom Navigator 6 with 6515 for over a year now. Yes, the screen freezes up every now and then (at which point you need to minimize and resize the app) but it has worked like a charm otherwise.

To hakunamatata
Hi!
I've been trying both TomTom 6 and 5 (which appeared to be more stable) bring to work but I couldn't configure internal GPS receiver - it takes forever to connect to it. Was it the same with you? Does stability of Navigation depend on ROM update (I use v.1.20)?
Thank you in advance!
Serg.

hakunamatata said:
I have been using TomTom Navigator 6 with 6515 for over a year now. Yes, the screen freezes up every now and then (at which point you need to minimize and resize the app) but it has worked like a charm otherwise.
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I also have this problem. I contect to the shop, they told me its internal hardware problem. So I need to repair it. It will cot 500 Swiss Frc. I shocked. The device cost only Swis Frc 640. So I feel so upset. And I serached on web about this problem. And I found the solution.
The problem comes with two files
m0:/device/windows/
BtCoreIf.dll
BtSdkCE30.dll
Use total commander (if u want to use in your device) or use activesync (use in your computer)to rename them to
BtCoreIf.dll.old
BtSdkCE30.dll.old
And then, do a soft reset.
Its ok for both sound and camera.
I saved 500 swissFrc.
Cheers

Hi!
Thank you for suggestion! How do I rename these files? I installed Commander on my iPAQ but renaming business doesn't work - these files are system files! I also tried to use explorer via Active Sync, but it didn't work either. Is there any trick to do it?
I thank you in advance!
Serg.

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Kaiser and TomTom voice instruction cut-off issues

On a different thread I have been looking for a fix for a voice instruction problem where the voice 'cuts-off' before the end of the command.
I get 'After 200 yards...' but no more, when the command should be 'After 200 yards, turn left'.
So, I re-flashed my device (which was a Vodafone v1615, with Vodafone ROM) to the standard HTC ROM, and re-installed TomTom.
Same problem!
So, my question now is, how many other Kaiser users with TomTom suffer the same problem?
I'm really beginning to think this is an issue with the version of TomTom with internal GPS...
Any others have comments on this?
I have the same with my TomTom and every rom for Kaiser so I think it's the TT version. Doesn't make any difference if the voice is installed on device or microSD card.
never experienced this issue,
Do you have a legitimate copy of tom tom on your devices?
Hi,
I have the same TT voice problem: "after ..." then nothing !!!
I 've tried with Tomtom V6.00, 6.03 but I have the same problem.
My ppc phone is LG KS20 on WM6
+++ Important note: I used TT V6.00 with my old HTC S110 running on WM2003SE and I don't have this problem. But when I changed to KG KS20 (wm6), I get this probleme with the same maps, same version of tomtom (same installation: tt6ifalleni.cab). Tested with 2 maps v675.1409: FR_plus & Western_Europe -> same voice problem.
Please help !!!
I've read a couple threads where people complain about the voice not completing,and they indicated that the fix for them, if I remember correctly, was moving the voices to the main memory from the SD card.
Hi ewingr,
That was a post from me when I thought it had fixed the problem - it didn't, although it seemed to work for a while - hence the post...
Still looking for the fix!
Oh, and everything is legit - as supplied with the CD that came with the device, and the small 'town' map your area able to download for free.
Used to use a Qtek 9100 - with no problems!
ewingr said:
I've read a couple threads where people complain about the voice not completing,and they indicated that the fix for them, if I remember correctly, was moving the voices to the main memory from the SD card.
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All my voices are in the SD card. I tried also to put them in phone memory (/navigator/voices) and had always this problem. Voices are selected in TomTom but not completing !!!
Have now tried an older version of TomTom (6.030), and still have the same problem.
Also placed map and Navigator all in device memory, and still same problem...
What the %*!$ is going on???
How many other people are suffering this? Does no one have any other ideas I can try?
i had this problem too
i deleted these files, MapSettings.cfg, TMCCODES.DAT, TRAFFIC.DAT, TRAFFIC.INC (where u place ur map). then i reset tomtom back to default setting. and i still have same problems, then after 2 or 3 uses of tomtom in two days. Now it's back to normal. I use TT6.030.8320.
Hope this help. I thought iam the only one
TT6.01 is working perfectly for me, but i have problem recieving call while using TomTom. that's right, i switch to 6.03.
hi all. i am running TT 6.030 on my unbranded kaiser with no flaws whatsoever. the internal gps works a treat. its not the most legit copy going, anyone browsing mininova.org could find it. i have all the voices installed to the sd card, however i have never used any of the "supplied" voices. i use the john cleese voice which i also "found"
no tomtom voice problems with me either, and i also place my voice files in the sd card. as for the voice type, i use a knight rider one . you can find many more of these custom voices here
http://gps-data-team.com/pda-gps-navigation/links/index.php
Same voice cut-off problem on my At&T Tilt using TT Version 6.032 (8351)
Had to use that TT version because I could not install previous versions onto the device. That was the only version that would load.
Are any of the people that don't have the cut-off voice issues using an AT&T-branded device?
yup, i use a tilt
XtreMe_G said:
yup, i use a tilt
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what version of tt?
mbn said:
what version of tt?
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version 6.020
waichai, are you saying deleting those files fixed the problem?
eugene7 said:
waichai, are you saying deleting those files fixed the problem?
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for me, yeah, becuz i tried everything (all the tomtom version), but make sure u backup ur original file first, then u open start tomtom, tomtom will automatically create the new files for u.
I am running TT 6.032 and having no problems at all with the John Cleese voice. I did notice there were some problems with a few other voices I tried....Sean Connery, Naughty Natalie etc in that they would be cut off as they are taking too long and the instruction has passed due to speed and position...
I really don't believe it has anything to do with your ROM version.
waichai said:
for me, yeah, becuz i tried everything (all the tomtom version), but make sure u backup ur original file first, then u open start tomtom, tomtom will automatically create the new files for u.
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Same problems. TomTom Version 6.032, Map Western Europe v.675.1409. Original TyTN II. All legal. I saved the files you mentioned on my desktop. Restarted TomTom and so far it recreated the MapSettings.cfg and the traffic.inc. Not the traffic.dat or the tmccodes.dat though. Will use it tomorrow and see if it works again. Thanx for the help.

Pocket Navigator 7 not working on diamond

I have managed to get tomtom to work on my diamond without a problem, but mapfactor pocket navigator 7 doesnt.
any ideas why that would be as it worked fine on my Touch Cruise.
jazzdude555 said:
I have managed to get tomtom to work on my diamond without a problem, but mapfactor pocket navigator 7 doesnt.
any ideas why that would be as it worked fine on my Touch Cruise.
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I had the same problem and i ahve been told that it's a driver problem that can be fixed if you overwrite a certain file in the Navigator directory. The file i was told is As TaskSched.dll but I did try that and nothing happened. I hope someone gives us a solution to this
that would be good, anyone found it?

What GPS software are you using on your Touch diamond.

Well I'm using Tomtom 6, l'm not a big fan of it, the maps are quite bland and boring.
What are other GPS softwares that have decent maps that work with the touch diamond? I'm quite pissed Igo8 has issues..
I am using CoPilot 7, I got it with my Orbit 2 a while ago, Its ok, easy to use, POI Searches can be a bit annoying but and the routing isn't as good as the tom tom I don't think but it still gets you from A-B.
richardirv said:
I am using CoPilot 7, I got it with my Orbit 2 a while ago, Its ok, easy to use, POI Searches can be a bit annoying but and the routing isn't as good as the tom tom I don't think but it still gets you from A-B.
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Garmin Mobile XT. Very happy with it.
MapKing R12. GPS is just a toy for me, so it doesn't really matter. As long as it's working, it will be fine.
andrewloh said:
MapKing R12. GPS is just a toy for me, so it doesn't really matter. As long as it's working, it will be fine.
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I have to say it's the same for me. It's actually funny because I have Garmin XT on the Diamond and I have Garmin in my car and both use the same map file so it's a bit overkill. Only used GPS once since I got the phone and that was to try it out of curiousity
Co Pilot 7, got with my Orbit 2. Quite happy with it, but would have preferred TomTom
Turning on Internal GPS
I installed the Garmin Xt on the the Diamond but it keeps searching for a Blue Tooth GPS. Is there some settings I need to do to get it to recognise the internal GPS and Vice versa. Thanks in advance
Destinator 7, I tried TomTom and hated it!
Im using TomTom 6 now. I have a TomTom Go 920 as well.
Never used Destinator 7 or Garmin XT - are these good? better than TomTom? Worthwhile checking out?
I released TomTom allows you to "Navigate to" and you can choose a contacts address - handy since I have addresses for most my contacts - it would take ages to store them into favourites.
using GMXT and MapkingR12...
for me maps for GMXT is more complete and updated than the one in Mapking..
auswill2 said:
Im using TomTom 6 now. I have a TomTom Go 920 as well.
Never used Destinator 7 or Garmin XT - are these good? better than TomTom? Worthwhile checking out?
I released TomTom allows you to "Navigate to" and you can choose a contacts address - handy since I have addresses for most my contacts - it would take ages to store them into favourites.
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Also using TomTom 6. Received my Diamond yesterday, I came from a Kaiser device.
But the screen draw is very very slow comparing to the Kaiser. Perhaps because of the VGA screen, don't know.
Also the directions and pointer are runnig about a second slower than the Kaiser (it's running 10 mtr behind my car).
Hopefully there will be a TomTom 7 and hopefully that will run smoother, I'm a very big fan of TomTom.
Friend of mine has a VGA HP PDA with Tomtom 6. Screen redraws are terribly slow. I have same version of Tomtom on my Prophet (QVGA) and it runs very smoothly. Think its down to the number of pixels.
I'm using Navigon 6.2 with europe map.
I always used to install and use iGo, but iGo 2006 and iGo 8 don't work with the Diamond
Socarumba said:
I installed the Garmin Xt on the the Diamond but it keeps searching for a Blue Tooth GPS. Is there some settings I need to do to get it to recognise the internal GPS and Vice versa. Thanks in advance
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You need to config settings in Garmin. to cable GPS, and then point to correct COM (in my case COM4)
Just got my diamond and I can't seem to get tomtom6 in landscape mode. The tiltfunction doesn't work in the todayscreen or tomtom itself so I guess I'll have to find a rotate cab or get used to the standard mode.
Using Sygic McGuider.
Very impressed by it, good for TomTom users, nice screen on diamond, works like a charm and newer maps !!
Destinator
How do you guys get Garmin XT onto your device? Is it possible to copy the files from the SD card onto the phone?
jellyme said:
Friend of mine has a VGA HP PDA with Tomtom 6. Screen redraws are terribly slow. I have same version of Tomtom on my Prophet (QVGA) and it runs very smoothly. Think its down to the number of pixels.
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Any workaround for this? The menu is terrible slow also, seems like other problem than pixels. Map-building takes ages, loading maps etc.
xzces said:
Just got my diamond and I can't seem to get tomtom6 in landscape mode. The tiltfunction doesn't work in the todayscreen or tomtom itself so I guess I'll have to find a rotate cab or get used to the standard mode.
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Use Mortscript to start TomTom with a script file. Before starting TomTom use command Rotate (90).

TomTom Navigator

Anyone has tried TomTom Navigator with the raphael?
How did u success?
I've installed it once, but had some problems that made it kinda useless, very bad gps lag and the signal level indicator was missing (IE. saying no signal).
EDIT: First post in this area, yay
TomTom installed just fine and worked fine yesterday, but now it can't find any satelite signals. I had the same problem on the Tilt. Guess I am giving up on TomTom.
Jeff
HTC TP TomTom works just fine
Hi
Yes I'm using TomTom almost every day to/from work and it works just fine. TomTom had a major update a few weeks ago and after the update it works perfect. I bought the map-version on their website and had some struggle to install it on my phone, but after activate my SD-micro card like TomTom explained on their support site, it works just fine. It has fix on at least 5 satellites in less than 30 sec every time. But it's important to have a radio that gives you that the possibilities to have just that. There is good information to find the best radio in Raphael WiKi forum. TomTom has included traffic information as well, so I use any suggestion in order to avoid blocked streets.
Sincerely
Morten from Oslo, Norway
morsti said:
Hi
Yes I'm using TomTom almost every day to/from work and it works just fine. TomTom had a major update a few weeks ago and after the update it works perfect.
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What version is it? I'm still using one the binary I found here in the forums as I thought there wasn't an official one working yet. (i.e. you have to use application binaries from phones with it preinstalled.)
Mine works fine as well though, but it's always nice to go "official" when you have bought the maps anyway....
//H
After I added the tweaks for TT (mentioned on XDA) TT works much better. Better responce and accuracy. (on MDA Compact IV original T-mobile NL rom)
GVR_ said:
After I added the tweaks for TT (mentioned on XDA) TT works much better. Better responce and accuracy. (on MDA Compact IV original T-mobile NL rom)
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Mind to show us the way to that tweak? Mine TT7 on my CDMA TP works just fine (it finds satellite quite quickly) but there is some noticible lags.
SteveDusa said:
Mind to show us the way to that tweak? Mine TT7 on my CDMA TP works just fine (it finds satellite quite quickly) but there is some noticible lags.
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I ment this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427888
Thanks GVR! Seems like that solved the lagging problem on my CDMA TP! Now TT7 is much faster in terms of updating my location.
And that was my only issue with the GPS here, I was able to get a fix with 9 satellites INSIDE a highrise in downtown in less then 5 seconds.
Awesome! I'm going to save that and hope someone can create a cab for those edits.
Hi guys
I have recently purchased HTC Touch PRO (Raphael) and tried to install TomTom Navigator 7.450 (9028) for Windows Mobile with Tomtom Western_and_Central_Europe_2GB_810_1940 but can not do it.
I mean I have installed TOMTOM all fine but it shows me that maps are not supported by this device
Can some one help me and point me in the right direction on how to install these maps ?
Cheers and many thanks
pi4r0n
You took a map version 8.10. That will not work
The right ones have the version 7.xx
PI4R0N said:
Hi guys
I have recently purchased HTC Touch PRO (Raphael) and tried to install TomTom Navigator 7.450 (9028) for Windows Mobile with Tomtom Western_and_Central_Europe_2GB_810_1940 but can not do it.
I mean I have installed TOMTOM all fine but it shows me that maps are not supported by this device
Can some one help me and point me in the right direction on how to install these maps ?
Cheers and many thanks
pi4r0n
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My official version from TomTom
henel321 said:
What version is it? I'm still using one the binary I found here in the forums as I thought there wasn't an official one working yet. (i.e. you have to use application binaries from phones with it preinstalled.)
Mine works fine as well though, but it's always nice to go "official" when you have bought the maps anyway....
//H
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After a major update true TomTom Home 2.4 I've got version 7.910 (9185). That is the official version and I'm using maps for western and central Europe bought from TomTom. I started with the TomTom CAB application found here in the forum, since there wasn't any to download. But last week the program (CAB) in my HTC TP was updated automatically using Home 2.4. Even my maps are now automatically update once TomTom relizes updates.
I have a signed CAB version in my PC and HTC TP from TomTom now, that came with the update, but I do not know if it can be used by others. Maybe it is signed to be used only with my TomTom maps?
The CAB file is named navcore_7.910.9185_TT_SIGNED.htc_raphael.CAB
I will not upload anything until someone tells me wheter I am aloud to do so and that it will not be a violation in this forum.
Morten
Oslo, Norway
TomTom 7 is working great
I have installed Tom Tom 7.450.9028 with Latest USA & CANADA maps. It is working very nice for me. Better locking times. great resolution.
Matthes42 said:
You took a map version 8.10. That will not work
The right ones have the version 7.xx
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Matthes42
I got different maps
Western_and_Central_Europe_V720_1803 (Not working)
Tomtom Western_and_Central_Europe_2GB_810_1940. Kirky (Not working)
TomTomGO Map Western and Central Europe v720.1803 TTS incl working keygen (Not working)
None of them work I tried to pached these maps etc and nothing
Maybe you guys can advice me / us waht and how you install it ??
Ta
pi4r0n
PI4R0N said:
Matthes42
I got different maps
Western_and_Central_Europe_V720_1803 (Not working)
Tomtom Western_and_Central_Europe_2GB_810_1940. Kirky (Not working)
TomTomGO Map Western and Central Europe v720.1803 TTS incl working keygen (Not working)
None of them work I tried to pached these maps etc and nothing
Maybe you guys can advice me / us waht and how you install it ??
Ta
pi4r0n
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Im afraid to say you will not get much help because these are maps that werent purchased or obtained legally, hence it falls under the Warez category. I kindly advice you to stop asking instead before you get banned. Have a nice day
I installed TT7 and ran a test 2 days ago. The result was GPS show me 500 ft ahead
Can I please get a link to this program?
Link to TT7
you can find it in this forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441486&page=3
I think it's Xtreme XL post.
FYI ... TT7 is backward compatible with the 6.75 maps.
Hi, I wasted an entire weekend trying to get TT VERSION 7 to work. I have downloaded TT_Nav_7.450.9028_repack3-vga-black and I have a Southern_Africa_v7.20.1862 map.
After installation, TT goes through the process of choosing lang, speaker etc.It then asks me to download a free map, Southern Africa is not located in the list.
Can somebody please please assist and tell me what I am doing wrong and How can I activate the Southern_Africa_v7.20.1862 map.
Is there a way where I can just use the Southern_Africa_v7.20.1862 map and not download any others? Another issue, How do I activate my GPS unit?
Thanks in advance
zahbaker said:
Hi, I wasted an entire weekend trying to get TT VERSION 7 to work. I have downloaded TT_Nav_7.450.9028_repack3-vga-black and I have a Southern_Africa_v7.20.1862 map.
After installation, TT goes through the process of choosing lang, speaker etc.It then asks me to download a free map, Southern Africa is not located in the list.
Can somebody please please assist and tell me what I am doing wrong and How can I activate the Southern_Africa_v7.20.1862 map.
Is there a way where I can just use the Southern_Africa_v7.20.1862 map and not download any others? Another issue, How do I activate my GPS unit?
Thanks in advance
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you have to place your Southern Afrika map in the folder My Documents @ your memory card, otherwise Tomtom will not see the the map

TomTom HOME with Xperia

Hello guys;
I am trying to connect my Xperia and TomTom Home together in order to buy(!)/download/install new maps+updates and use Map Share.
Unfurtunately, I did not have any luck yet: TT-Home keeps waiting for connection and does not recognize any TomTom device.
Could someone point me to the right direction?
Do I need some special Home version (mine is 2.4 from the tomtom's website)?
Does TT need to be installed in some special way (mine is the very latest 7.910, installed as cab from the card's 2577 folder to main memory)?
...thanks in advance!
Home?
You don't need Tom Tom Home. When you startup TomTom on your phone and there is no map it will automatically ask you to download a "city" map to test the features or buy a map. At least that happened on mine
I haven't managed to get tomtom home 2.* to work either, but tomtom 1.6 works fine, you can download that from the tomtom home page
jan_hut said:
You don't need Tom Tom Home. When you startup TomTom on your phone and there is no map it will automatically ask you to download a "city" map to test the features or buy a map. At least that happened on mine
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You can download 1 free city map but it won't let you buy any more - message states that this is not available in your region (yet)
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You don't need Tom Tom Home.
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no, I definitively need it. I want to buy/download/use/update big maps and also use Map Share. It is impossible without TomTom Home.
masseur said:
I haven't managed to get tomtom home 2.* to work either, but tomtom 1.6 works fine, you can download that from the tomtom home page
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Thanks a lot but I think that TomTom HOME 1.6 for NAVIGATOR 6 only (and does not support Map Share), and I'm trying NAVIGATOR 7 which is only supported by 2.4.
HTC owners with pre-installed TomTom 7 are able to use it with TomTom Home -- I want it too! Therefore I'm asking if someone already got this connection.
anyone?...
or nobody has TTHome + TT7 running?..
For me it doesnt work too.
I have the 7.4 something version running and Tom Tom Home dont recognize it..
How were you able top use the 7.9 Version of Tom Tom on your X1 ?
When I try to install it a message shows up that my device is not compatible or something...
I don;t know if it may help, but I have a touch diamond (and soon getting the x1) but tt home worked for me. Have you tried to hook up your device as diskdrive rather than in active sync mode? It worked for me that way with tt home
hi, I had tomtom home 2.6 detecting x1 ok and installing mapshare updates. but since Ive flashed to the uk r3a rom, tomtom home cannot detect any device "No device connected".
Ive tried changing the usb to pc settings.
I notice in system, settings, device information , my memory card id and card version only has little squares instead of a number or whatever is should be?
Ive flashed to touch-it v9 (r3a) and still no device connected.
wonder if anyone has tomtom home 2.3 or 6 and x1 wth r3a rom working ok ?
TIA.
I've got the same problem after flashing r3aa
Same here (R3AA013).
Somebody a solution?
I´m fishing up this thread to see if anyone has come up with a solution/can give me an idea where to continue searching for an answer. As previous posters it worked perfectly with TTN7 and TTHome2.7 (yes a legit bought version) but since I´ve flashed the latest official firmware from SonyEricsson and TTH won´t detect my device. The X1 is not hardspl as it seems that r3a firmware is the problem.
Any ideas since TTH unfortunately wont update TTMobile of a memorycard it has to detect the phone. I´ve tried all setting regarding connection I can find both on the phone and on the PC, even tried XP, Vista & W7.
I´m reluctant to downgrade the rom back as I fins the r3a to be a lot quicker but if that is what it takes...
All help greatly appreciated.
annoyance.
I think its a deliberate move by TomTom as they want TomTom 7 to be exclusive to certain phones. What their reasoning is I dont know, but as stated previously, TOMTOM home 1.6 although more primitive does seem work with the tomtom 7 software. you can download updates and install stuff like new voices and maps, but I dont think it has mapsharing.
This exclusivity BS has been annoying me and even though I paid for the maps I am thinking of changing my GPS software to Garmin or something.
I think its a deliberate move by TomTom as they want TomTom 7 to be exclusive to certain phones.
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That should not be the case as my version of TT7 is bought separately on DVD and as stated on the package "Requirements: Any PocketPC running Windows Mobile 5 or above". I have not downloaded any of the hacked versions laying around.
Well if its offical then maybe the tomtom customer support can help you. ive just looked at the aussie site and all they appear to be doing there is providing software and support for the iphone. no mention of winmo at all.
I decided to downgrade the Xperia ROM to R2A and live with it, TT Home is working again.
Btw here´s a link to the swedish tomtomstore selling the app and the phones it works with:
http://www.tomtom.com/products/section.php?ID=898&Section=709&Lid=18&Category=2
What are the differences between r2a and r3a
so it seems to me, that the diference between the old rom and the new is, that there is a change in the rom that says tthome that the x1 is the kovsky.
so has anyone an idea, where the information of the tpye of the experia is stored on the rom r2a and what has changed that r3a doesn work with tomtom home (i have a legal sd card, that does not work with my phone because it says incompatible device. i just copied all data form the sd card to another card without the tt7 software. then i downloaded an tt7 software and installed it on my x1, since i have a legal one an the support din't help me with a patch and tomtom din't give me my money back)
today i 've seen that x1 is now on the list, so i would be glad if someone can help me to run my tomtom software with the newest rom, since tomtom support doesn'T help me)
hi to evryone
if somebody needs the latest tomtom 7 navi for xperia....
just post me....i got it with key;o)

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