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Kaiser - TyTN II - GoodLink ver 5

I have not found any threads regarding this so I went ahead and bit the bullet and tried on my GoodLink server. Initially disappointed because my server was setup to send the last ver 4 GoodLink software to the Kaiser. After upgrading then to ver 5 the phone portion of the device would not work no matter what I did. GoodLink seemed to work but the phone wouldn't. I then uninstalled GoodLink via the remove programs (now GoodLink does not require hard reset to get rid of it).
I waited 24 hours (chicken). I then made sure that ver 5 was pushed to the device initially - viola - seems to work great now after 24 hours. No slowing of the device as was the case with other lesser devices (memory and processor speed!).
So far I believe that for those who want GoodLink and PPC the Kaiser may be the best device so far! I'll keep you updated as to any glitches that come up. I fully recognize that with some of the improvements to Pocket Outlook and with always on active sync GoodLink is not as needed as it was before but there are still some "closer to desktop Outlook" advantages for business users.

jcrompton said:
So far I believe that for those who want GoodLink and PPC the Kaiser may be the best device so far! I'll keep you updated as to any glitches that come up.
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So - I binned Goodlink some time ago on the Co HP device and opted for a phone the performance was so bad. Based on your recommendation I might try it again. Where can I get the latest CAB? Will my old account registration work on the TyTN - or do I have to go back to the IS dept for another "key" to get setup?
Thx
Graham

The IT dept has to enable the version 5 for your device. In my case I have my own GoodLink server and I tried to install via a cab file and it didn't work for some reason. So I went back to the OTA setup. Just call the IT dept and ask them to enable the version 5 for your device (that is assuming they have upgraded their server yet) and resend you a PIN email. It is three or four mouse clicks so don't let them act like it is much trouble!
If you don't get ver 5 right off the bat then uninstall it don;t go any further because it didn;t work for me to "upgrade" ver 4 to 5!

how much better is it than 4.93? i find it a little buggy and i still need to activesync my calendar and contacts for other Hpone related items.

Goodlink
Goodlink 4.9.3.21 works like a charm, syncs mail, calendar, notes, tasks, the works and it's fast too. Not sure why yours would be 'buggy'; mine works like a charm without failure.
My $0.02

ekerbuddyeker said:
how much better is it than 4.93? i find it a little buggy and i still need to activesync my calendar and contacts for other Hpone related items.
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There are definitely some improvements with ver 5 -- one thing to know (I have another post somewhere else) is that you need to prepare for the fact that there is integration with the native contact list and GoodLink. In other words if you still use Active Sync (like via a server) you will get duplicate contacts. The IT person for the GoodLink server has a setting to choose what parts of you contact list will get sync'd with the native contact list for "use with voice dialing" etc (as per GoodLink's literature), i.e, Last, First, work, home, fax, email. Once you figure out what is going on it is actually better because the native contact list takes up less space because you can pick and choose (the IT GoodLink admin guy) what is sync'd.
All the while the GoodLink Calendar list , of course, gets fully sync's as it is designed to do.
[Interestingly with vers 5 server and ver 5 on the device the GoodLink admin person can actually "dis-allow" the use of any particular application on your device. Every program you have on your device shows up on the GoodLink Mangemenet Console. It's pretty cool -- that is if you have access to the server!!!]
If you have question just ask and I'll try to answer them since I have my own server
PS as far as the duplicate contact thing you need to use PPContactsMgr and delete ALL of your native contacts, then tell active sync NOT to sync contacts and then let GoodLink do its thing as far as syncing the selected fields of you native contact list.
PSS I really like using GoodLink so far -- with it's limited syncing of the native contacts list which then work NICELY with PocketCM to make calls text msgs etc

A bunch of GOOKS...
Check out http://www.frontpages-web-hosting.net/exchange-hosting/goodlink.asp
(read the second paragraph title that's in orange)
...it's justification why good Quality Control is important !!

i dont have access to the server. so that means my IT can see ALL the apps that areon my device and control what I can / cannot use?

ekerbuddyeker said:
i dont have access to the server. so that means my IT can see ALL the apps that areon my device and control what I can / cannot use?
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Iten I was browsing sure does. I was really surprised when I was browsing my new management console for ver 5 and click on a tab that took a minute or two to respond (I didn't know at the time but it was retrieving from my device) and then showed my applications on my device and gave options for which to allow and which to disallow!!
I didn't want to mess anything up so I didn't experiment.

technillion said:
Check out http://www.frontpages-web-hosting.net/exchange-hosting/goodlink.asp
(read the second paragraph title that's in orange)
...it's justification why good Quality Control is important !!
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That's pretty funny. I can think of a lot of potentially offensive comments about the advertisement but I will use better judgement ............

jcrompton said:
The IT dept has to enable the version 5 for your device.
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I tried the OTA setup and it gave me version 6(!).. Needless to say my old PIN wasn't valid - and the IT dept wouldn't enable it for me. They said "can't use none approved devices on Company networks".. so I can't use my TyTNII with Goodlink. I think the PIN was for v5.. but I don't see how to get the v5 CAB
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Graham

HTC Kaiser / Vodafone v1615 - Vodafone live access

Folks,
Used to have a HTC Universal (Vodafone v1640) that I never got working with Vodafone Live in the UK. Now have a v1615 (Kaiser) and wondering if this device can be made to work and access Vodafone Live.
I'm fairly technically literate (though not an expert!) and have to admit to getting a touch lost on a couple of things I've read on various websites. Not to sure how to change registry settings on my machine, but no probs learning, and very familiar with all the standard wap settings etc required.
My v1640 used to just hang if i pointed it to "www.live.vodafone.com", my Kaiser will now access the site but gives the following error in Explorer:
"Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.live.vodafone.com
The dnsserver returned:
Name error: The domain name does not exist.
This means that:
The cache was not able to resolve the hostname presented in the URL. Check if the address is correct"
I never got this error message on the 1640 - it just sat there and did nothing. So i'm wondering if this is any further progress or not? Or are these HTC devices (as Vodafone confirmed today) just not meant to connect to Live without serious tweaking.
I am more than happy to have a hack at my machine but am slightly lost at where to start here in order to achieve this on my brand new device for which there still doesn't seem to be much info.
Have Vodafone got this device almost ready to access Live? Or is one of the posts i've seen somewhere just a fantasy?!
All I really need is just a basic guide going through it with this new device.
Can't believe Vodafone don't have this working in the first place...
Thanks.

Isn't it live.vodafone.com rather than www.live.vodafone.com?

yes, and you need some proxy settings as well to use it. the only way I got Live.vodafone.com to work was by adding it as a modem connection under my work network if you are looking to use it as a data plan only and it will only work with EAS and PIE, no VOIP or messenger will work. As for using the vodafone live site, you need to change some regkey settings that will fool the the vodafone proxy to think that you have an approved handset for vodafone live, you should find examples in this forum if you search around, I think Modaco also has some entries on this. Bottom line is that Vodafone never intended to let it be used with PPC, because once they loose that control they cannot sell their services, advertise etc which is why it's a relatively useless solution for anyone who use their offer of 500 MB for 10 Eur or something along those lines.
Cheers
LBN

Thanks guys. Yes - it is just live.vodafone.com - was too busy with work...
Ok, starting to get an idea of what needs to be done. Have seen so many posts on various websites that I wasn't quite sure where to start.
I'm guessing that changing the regkey settings is the first thing to try then? Is there an easy to use registry tweaking tool?

Been messing around for a while now and nothing I do seems to make any difference!
I've tried all kinds of different Reg Key settings, every combination of wap and internet access points, and nothing seems to change anything.
Basically no matter what i enter, (either wsp://live.vodafone.com or http://live.vodafone.com) it only connects through a wap connection, and it only brings up a very basic vodafoneLive series of text based web pages with no access to anything interesting.
Do WM6 devices such as mine have different Reg Key settings / areas that need modifying? I'm surprised that putting Nokia settings in, or any other setting has no effect at all!
Anyone??

The vodafone live portal requires a "template" to be present at the vodafone end which defines which screen size and content the device can handle. Unless Vodafone have created one for the v1615, you will need to alter the useragent to look like a device which does have a template...
Without a devices presenting its self as a supported device, you will not be able to access live services.
Why not look at the user agent of the Treo 500v? That is the frist real consumer WM device which has the ability to view the live portal.

Gotcha. Makes sense, thanks for the tip.
Any idea where to find details of a Treo 500v user agent?? Will give it a go if I know where to find one!

Hi,
Take a look at
http://www.modaco.com/Vodafone-Live-Settings-t259142.html

Guys,
I just got a Vodafone Treo 750v which i really like. but it doesn't have Vodafone Live or Mobile TV access on it as standard. I managed to get my Tytn II working (with your help and the Modaco forum) several months ago and now I'm trying to see if you or anyone can get my 750v working.
First thing i did was install a cab file (from the thread in the post above) on my machine and setup a wap connection and i was straight in to Vodafone Live all of a sudden. Got to mobile tv page but Windows media player wouldn't connect via wap. So went to xda-developers page and downloaded the HTC v2.10 streaming player and installed it and set it up to connect via wap.
Success, almost - choosing a channel to watch now launches the HTC player and starts to buffer the video but when it gets to almost 100% buffered and is ready to start showing video it suddenly hangs, then has an error and wants to send an error log to Microsoft. Its almost like the HTC player is missing something or some codec or dll file.
Anyone know how to crack this last bit? Anyone use a different Streaming media player to do this?
Hope someone can help!
Paul

Few questions... new user..

Hi!
I just bougth Tytn II two weeks ago... and having some questions...
so let's start...
-I know that is possible to have multiple mail accounts, but my dilema is the following - is it possible to have multipe adress books? For example - i'm running a small concert booking agency and i have set-up on my pc (outlook express) several indentities with one e-mail adress for each of one... for example - one for general enquires, one for press, one for tickets, etc. I'm recieveng a lot of e-mails, so it's much easier to have sorted e-mails in several groups (identities/e-mail adresses).
My question is how to set-up something similar on my kaiser? Is it even possible?
Also, active sync is working only with the office outlook (not outlook experess) so i will have to arrange everything both on my pc (office outlook instead of a express version) and kaiser...
how?
-I've heard that the xda live 1.2 rom really speeded the things up on kaiser... is that also visible when i change the viewing from vertical to horizontal mode?
Also, that version of rom comes without any installed programs... where can i download the whole programm package if i am going to install xda 1.2? I'm asking that because i'm using the complete original software bundle equally...
-is it possible to add some others tones for clock alarm, because the original ones are totally useless...
Thanks in advance!

hmmmm
I am not sure if you can have multiple phonebooks, but one solution is to use categories to separate your contacts and view them that way.

Multiple address books - no
Use with Outlook Express - no. Use Outlook. It's on the CD that came with your phone. If it's not, you got gypped.
Look in the forums for cab files to install extra software. Check the sticky threads at the top of the forum. You also need to be more specific as to what you're looking for. There is no "whole program package".
Lastly, read your owner's manual. You will find out tons of useful information. You can put ringtones and such in \windows or \Storage Card or \Storage Card\My Documents and it should find them.

...and what about xda 1.2 and original programs?

uh, did you look in the Kaiser Upgrading forum???

Lidberg said:
uh, did you look in the Kaiser Upgrading forum???
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LOOK or utilize???? You mean utilize, dont you

I'm pretty sure I meant look - as in, LOOK in the Kaiser Upgrading forum for the answer. That's where all the ROM threads are...

TYTN 2 & the 3 network skype

Hi everyone,
i went to a 3store today to get a TYTN 2 on 3 network UK. I thought we could use the free skype minutes they offer on other handsets, but they said no, use the wifi!!!
I was wondering if anyone knows a way to connect to their skype service. Thanks
PS: Please include links to any software or recent methods you might know.

Hi, I'd also like to know if this possible. Have a 3 PAYG sim and get 30 days free skype when I pay for the internet add-on but cannot work out how to use the 3G network for my calls. Cheers

I think fring will do what you want.
The website says you can make skype calls.
www.fring.com "fring is based on a unique thin-client technology that for the first time enables true VoIP over 3G, GPRS and WiFi networks"
I installed it on my stock rom AT&T Tilt (Kaiser) but have not tested.
I hope that helps.
j

any java skype client in the uk?
jlewisdaville said:
I think fring will do what you want.
The website says you can make skype calls.
www.fring.com "fring is based on a unique thin-client technology that for the first time enables true VoIP over 3G, GPRS and WiFi networks"
I installed it on my stock rom AT&T Tilt (Kaiser) but have not tested.
I hope that helps.
j
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Thanks but i think for that you should have access to the internet. I can easily use the skype program instead. The problem is that skype is not the type of skype 3 network is using ( they use a java based program).
I read an article and someone had used the skype from a LG phones with 3 and Esmertec Jbed, but that was an Australian version. does anyone have a UK version?

This would rock if it is possible! Anyone know where to download a UK version?

I think we need to find someone with a non nokia phone from 3 UK, so he can give us the jar file. preferably LG
What do you think?

anyone from uk? or anyone knows a professional UK website? please

Anyone found this?

Can anyone with a TyTn II from the 3 network confirm if it comes with Planet 3 and Skype software installed?

I use Three...
Ah, you forgot to read the ultra-small fine print that states that the offer for *all* phones has expired and it's now only on *selected* handsets that seem to exclude the TyTN 2, also you can't get the sim-only and install the Three free Skype or Live Messenger on a non-Three phone+rom without some custom ROM hacking.
To make matters worse, if you get the £5 Unlimited Internet Access, the small print is that Three block Skype and Live Messenger so they can't be used (thought I think you can buy the £10 option that allows them?) - even if you want to pay for them outside the unlimited bundle. You can use IM+ BeejiveIM etc, to access Live Messenger though, and as far as I'm aware it seems to be included in the Unlimited access...
Oh, and if you want to access Planet3/My3 on your phone you can do so, but first you need to go into Advanced Config and change your "User Agent Custom Base" to "HTC_TyTN_II Mozilla/4.0" and then use the URL "http://mobile.three.co.uk/837_sc/index.do"
The Planet3/My3 will only work when accessing the page though the 3 connection and not WiFI or ActiveSync, but is acuttaly pritty nifty at checking you accound balance, tops ups, addons and such like.

Percz said:
Ah, you forgot to read the ultra-small fine print that states that the offer for *all* phones has expired and it's now only on *selected* handsets that seem to exclude the TyTN 2, also you can't get the sim-only and install the Three free Skype or Live Messenger on a non-Three phone+rom without some custom ROM hacking.....
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Thanks a lot for the information you provided. Damn it, I made a big mistake as i could've got the Nokia N95 with Skype and Live Msg + unlimited internet for £5 cheaper every month...!

Hi guys,
This is a solution for the Skype on Three network issue. I had placed it on another forum (http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/showthread.php?p=385677) and one guy has reported it working, but apparently, it might not work with WM5, only with WM6. Please give it a whirl and let me know if it works for you.
Feedback is great for both me as well as others
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Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum
(I have great and joyous news)
I believe that I have succeeded in getting the native Iskoot WM6 client for Skype to connect to the Three/3 service. I am still testing it and would appreciate your feedback.
Steps
a) Download and install the Iskoot client for Windows Mobile 6 . Try the direct link here (http://www.iskoot.com/pc_download/Wi...1.54_WMpro.CAB)
b) After installation, start the application, but DO NOT sign in. Instead exit it. The reason for doing this is to create the default registry entries for Iskoot.
c) Now start your favourite registry editor (I personally use Resco Registry Editor, but you should be able to use any. Please do not ask me how to use the registry editor. This is not the appropraite forum.)
d) Head for the following location in the registry: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\ISKOOT\SKYPE\DEVICE
e) Update all the following entries to the same value "http://mobile.three.co.uk/948" (do not include the "double quotes")
BackupHost
CallUrl
DefaultSkHost
Pushhost
f) Exit the registry editor of choice and start and log into Iskoot. This might take some time. It took me about five minutes.
It should now be configured to connect to the 3 Skype service. To cross-verify, check that the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\ISKOOT\SKYPE\DEVICE\Cal lNumber has the value +447838333894 (the 3 Skype dial-out number). It should be automatically added by the software.
As I have mentioned earlier, I am still testing this. However, with this implementation, it should not use your included minutes, but the free Skype allocation. Please test the same and let us all know if that is the case or you have noticed that your inclusive minutes have been used up.
I do not know how to modify cabs. But if somebody can rebuild the original Iskoot cab with these settings built-in, that would be great.
I have noticed that the sound quality on this is considerably better as compared to the Skype Java client.
Legalese: The above is merely advisory and there is no warranty, implied or otherwise, for the same.
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Thanks for the information. I tried it on my Hermes and it worked great.
Unfortunately, when I tried the same thing on my Kaiser, all I ever get is "Currently unable to connect".
I can't see why there would be any difference between the two phones, but the Hermes never fails and the Kaiser never succeeds!
Any suggestions?
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stooby said:
"Currently unable to connect".
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thanks for the info but unfortunately i get the same error meesage as i am using !!

secret.simon said:
Hi guys,
This is a solution for the Skype on Three network issue. I had placed it on another forum (http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/showthread.php?p=385677) and one guy has reported it working, but apparently, it might not work with WM5, only with WM6. Please give it a whirl and let me know if it works for you.
Feedback is great for both me as well as others
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Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum
(I have great and joyous news)
I believe that I have succeeded in getting the native Iskoot WM6 client for Skype to connect to the Three/3 service. I am still testing it and would appreciate your feedback.
Steps
a) Download and install the Iskoot client for Windows Mobile 6 . Try the direct link here (http://www.iskoot.com/pc_download/Wi...1.54_WMpro.CAB)
b) After installation, start the application, but DO NOT sign in. Instead exit it. The reason for doing this is to create the default registry entries for Iskoot.
c) Now start your favourite registry editor (I personally use Resco Registry Editor, but you should be able to use any. Please do not ask me how to use the registry editor. This is not the appropraite forum.)
d) Head for the following location in the registry: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\ISKOOT\SKYPE\DEVICE
e) Update all the following entries to the same value "http://mobile.three.co.uk/948" (do not include the "double quotes")
BackupHost
CallUrl
DefaultSkHost
Pushhost
f) Exit the registry editor of choice and start and log into Iskoot. This might take some time. It took me about five minutes.
It should now be configured to connect to the 3 Skype service. To cross-verify, check that the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\ISKOOT\SKYPE\DEVICE\Cal lNumber has the value +447838333894 (the 3 Skype dial-out number). It should be automatically added by the software.
As I have mentioned earlier, I am still testing this. However, with this implementation, it should not use your included minutes, but the free Skype allocation. Please test the same and let us all know if that is the case or you have noticed that your inclusive minutes have been used up.
I do not know how to modify cabs. But if somebody can rebuild the original Iskoot cab with these settings built-in, that would be great.
I have noticed that the sound quality on this is considerably better as compared to the Skype Java client.
Legalese: The above is merely advisory and there is no warranty, implied or otherwise, for the same.
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The iskoot link is http://www.iskoot.com/pc_download/WindowsMobile/iSkootForSkype1.1.54_WMpro.CAB
How do you get the address http://mobile.three.co.uk/948? I am looking for the same thing for three italy, so I cannot use that url. I have Kaiser and a three skypephone, wich include 10 hours per day of free skype call, so I will love to use the iskoot software on Kaiser and lunch outside the windows the Amoi!
Thanks

Masy said:
thanks for the info but unfortunately i get the same error meesage as i am using !!
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For Windows Mobile 6.1, MS .net Framework 3.5 is required, otherwise, "Currently unable to connect" error might appear
SkypeOut is officially supported (if not, very soon) by 3UK,
http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/allfeatures/3skypephone/overseascalling/
with some restrictions (read the small print!)
I failed to get Skypein to work, however.
And Skypeout is a bit unstable at the moment, might be 3UK is upgrading their servers...

alex_time said:
How do you get the address http://mobile.three.co.uk/948? I am looking for the same thing for three italy, so I cannot use that url. I have Kaiser and a three skypephone, wich include 10 hours per day of free skype call, so I will love to use the iskoot software on Kaiser and lunch outside the windows the Amoi!
Thanks
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I think what some people did is to download a java version of the iskoot (for other non-WM phone) and decompiled the java class/jad file and find the URL string. I guess if you can somehow intercept the outgoing network traffic from a 3 customized iskoot client running on another phone (perhaps on a Symbian phone trying to communicate to the server via wifi, which wouldn't connect successfully I believe, but still let you), parse the network packet to find out its intended destination will do the trick too.

deityuk said:
I think what some people did is to download a java version of the iskoot (for other non-WM phone) and decompiled the java class/jad file and find the URL string. I guess if you can somehow intercept the outgoing network traffic from a 3 customized iskoot client running on another phone (perhaps on a Symbian phone trying to communicate to the server via wifi, which wouldn't connect successfully I believe, but still let you), parse the network packet to find out its intended destination will do the trick too.
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Thanks for the tip, but the problem is that the only phone with skype is the amoi 8512 (http://www.3skypephone.com/english/index.html have you ever seen it?) I do not have x-series with skype, but a specific offer wich works only with this phone. This phone does not have wifi, so I cannot sniff packet through network, and the iskoot client is not java, but specifically made for it (when I run it, the Java log does not apper), so I do not know how I could extract the url. The only thing I have done is to get its user agent to replace it on the Tytn II, the Amoi 8512 user agent is " [FONT=&quot]Amoi 8512/R22.0 NF-Browser/3.3[/FONT]" without double quote, of course.

alex_time said:
Thanks for the tip, but the problem is that the only phone with skype is the amoi 8512 (http://www.3skypephone.com/english/index.html have you ever seen it?) I do not have x-series with skype, but a specific offer wich works only with this phone. This phone does not have wifi, so I cannot sniff packet through network, and the iskoot client is not java, but specifically made for it (when I run it, the Java log does not apper), so I do not know how I could extract the url. The only thing I have done is to get its user agent to replace it on the Tytn II, the Amoi 8512 user agent is " [FONT=&quot]Amoi 8512/R22.0 NF-Browser/3.3[/FONT]" without double quote, of course.
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I was in your situation until a week ago when I found the 3 UK setting. It is so frustrating that I knew all it requires is a correct URL address yet I didn't know what it is!
What you may want to try is to first identify which X-series phone that 3 Italy support apart from the skypephone. And then change your Tytn II 's broswer agent string to one of those phone that use a JAVA iskoot client instead of a native client like Symbian client. Then use your phone browser to 3 ITA portal and try to download the iskoot (Skype) software. 3 ITA server should now think that you have a compatible phone so it will present you with the Java client. Once you go the .jar file, you can proceed to extract the URL from there...
I think people used SEW910I to get the 3 Australia client.
Try this for the Browser agent string:
SonyEricssonW910i/R1CA Browser/NetFront/3.4 Profile/MIDP-2.1 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
I tried the above suggestion myself to try to get the URL from 3 UK's client, but I can't remember why I stopped, and then later I found that the URL is already know on some other forums on the Internet...
Good luck!

deityuk said:
I was in your situation until a week ago when I found the 3 UK setting. It is so frustrating that I knew all it requires is a correct URL address yet I didn't know what it is!
What you may want to try is to first identify which X-series phone that 3 Italy support apart from the skypephone. And then change your Tytn II 's broswer agent string to one of those phone that use a JAVA iskoot client instead of a native client like Symbian client. Then use your phone browser to 3 ITA portal and try to download the iskoot (Skype) software. 3 ITA server should now think that you have a compatible phone so it will present you with the Java client. Once you go the .jar file, you can proceed to extract the URL from there...
I think people used SEW910I to get the 3 Australia client.
Try this for the Browser agent string:
SonyEricssonW910i/R1CA Browser/NetFront/3.4 Profile/MIDP-2.1 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
I tried the above suggestion myself to try to get the URL from 3 UK's client, but I can't remember why I stopped, and then later I found that the URL is already know on some other forums on the Internet...
Good luck!
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You are right, it is frustriating knowing I cannot use my Kaiser just because I do not know a simple url!!
I will have a look at this right now. Thanks for your help

3 (UK) MSN/Live Messenger on Kaiser

I am trying to run a 3 (UK) MSN/Live Messenger on my official O2 WM6.1 Kaiser. (The reason for trying is that with 3 (UK) the operator, your MSN messages doesn't count towards your data traffic; also I would like to experiment its battery drain compare to other MSN clients).
If I just log in Planet 3 (UK) (the 3 portal site), it wouldn't let me download its Live messenger client as my phone is not a compatible one. I changed my user agent string to SEW910i and downloaded the .jad file for W910i. I then removed the certificate portions (the last 2 lines) in the .jad file so that it can install on my Kaiser. It works but sometime the display is not quite way, but more importantly, only vibrate alert is possible but setting to Loud or Soft alert would still result in vibration only. I then modified the .jad file again so that instead of referencing the mp3 files from the 3UK website, it point to the local version (which I downloaded and place in the same directory as the .jad and .jar files) as:
AlertToneContact: online.mp3
AlertToneMsg: newmsg.mp3
However, it still doesn't work :-(
Is there anything I have missed?
May be I should have used the N95's version? Has anyone tried that before? Are they different? And what would be the best version?
Thanks!

SMS push on 3 Live Messenger
Also, one of the feature of the 3 (UK) MSN messenger which I Have tried on my other symbian phone is that even if the client is closed (not minimized), it can still be re-activated/re-launched automatically when new MSN messenges arrive (by listening to special SMS messages form the operator (3 UK)), if one didn't choose to sign out form the MSN server.
I notice in the .jad file there is such a line:
MIDlet-Push-1: sms://:3716, ui.Main, *
Is this a Symbian's Java virtual machine feature? Or is it a general java virtual machine feature?

deityuk said:
I am trying to run a 3 (UK) MSN/Live Messenger on my official O2 WM6.1 Kaiser. (The reason for trying is that with 3 (UK) the operator, your MSN messages doesn't count towards your data traffic; also I would like to experiment its battery drain compare to other MSN clients).
If I just log in Planet 3 (UK) (the 3 portal site), it wouldn't let me download its Live messenger client as my phone is not a compatible one. I changed my user agent string to SEW910i and downloaded the .jad file for W910i. I then removed the certificate portions (the last 2 lines) in the .jad file so that it can install on my Kaiser. It works but sometime the display is not quite way, but more importantly, only vibrate alert is possible but setting to Loud or Soft alert would still result in vibration only. I then modified the .jad file again so that instead of referencing the mp3 files from the 3UK website, it point to the local version (which I downloaded and place in the same directory as the .jad and .jar files) as:
AlertToneContact: online.mp3
AlertToneMsg: newmsg.mp3
However, it still doesn't work :-(
Is there anything I have missed?
May be I should have used the N95's version? Has anyone tried that before? Are they different? And what would be the best version?
Thanks!
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can i have the oridginal file you had?

Any progress on this?
Im trying to get it to work in Australia, but the 3 MSN java app is running but i cant see it at all.

I've tried the same app and found it very flaky
I have another slight problem, can I ask you to check - I can only login to MSN on 3 if I have a 3g connection.
Where we live the 3g connection is flaky and it refuses to login to MSN on GPRS :-(
Skype wise it works fine (they offer free skype-skype too) don't use their java client, look on this site for instructions how to configure the PPC / Wmobile iSkoot Client :0 tested and it's not used any data allowance.

Thanks,
I already have skoot running using my skype call allowance.
My Kaiser already has Live Messenger, but not the unlimited one.
Was trying to get it running as a pet project.

I have just switched to Three UK PAYG and have been searching around a bit. I am running a WM6.1 ROM on a Hermes.
So far I have managed to:
1) Use HTC Connection Wizard (downloaded via CRC's Device Update) to set up the internet and MMS settings.
2) Run the 'Identify as N95 (WM6.1).cab' (thanks to sub69 in this thread. 6.0 and 6.5 versions can also be found there.)
This allows me to access the My3 pages at http://mobile.three.co.uk/hb/HutchKey
3) Install the 3 Live Messenger Java client. I am using the version 4.5, not the latest V5. Credits for modifying this go to therafiman at MoDaCo.
This is working with Esmertec Jbed, and is working for free as it is meant to.
'Windows_Live Messenger.zip' contains the .jad and .jar files, and only seems to work if both are copied to the phone and the .jad file is run.
The Java client is far inferior to the normal Windows Mobile Live client, but the normal client is not free to run. Additionally I have been unable to log on using the normal client over 3g. If I log on while connected to activesync or wifi then I can switch to 3g and keep it running, but this will be charging you.
I haven't looked at skype yet, because no one I regularly call uses it. However I have found these instructions which look promising despite the dodgy numbering system:
1) First you need to download the Iskoot version of Skype from www.iskoot.com. You'll need to enter your name & mobile number and select your phone type.
2) Once downloaded, install ISkoot on your windows mobile
3) Start up Iskoot but don't log in yet.
4) Exit Iskoot
3) Use a registry editor to change the following keys under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\ISKOOT\SKYPE\DEVICE to "http://mobile.three.co.uk/948"
BackupHost
CallUrl
DefaultSkHost
Pushhost (only if it exists)
4) Exit the registry editor and start Iskoot again. This time log in (mine logged in immediately - some people say their first log-in takes a few minutes).
5) That's it!. You can verify if things have worked by examining registry key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\ISKOOT\SKYPE\DEVICE\Cal lNumber. If ok, this should have been updated to either "123" on your first log-in, then to a number beginning +44783833...
Once you've made a few skype calls you should see that your credit / call-time balance / data allowance does NOT decrease.
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(instructions from Shaun L at www.3g.co.uk

If anyone has any luck getting the V5 Java Live Messenger client running on windows mobile then please post, or even better would be configuring the normal live client to use 3's free service.
EDIT
I'm attaching the WLM V5 .jad and .jar files.
These are unmodified, and downloaded using the N95 user agent in the previous post. Maybe someone knows what they are doing to modify the .jad and get it working.

jez83uk said:
I have just switched to Three UK PAYG and have been searching around a bit. I am running a WM6.1 ROM on a Hermes.
So far I have managed to:
1) Use HTC Connection Wizard (downloaded via CRC's Device Update) to set up the internet and MMS settings.
2) Run the 'Identify as N95 (WM6.1).cab' (thanks to sub69 in this thread. 6.0 and 6.5 versions can also be found there.)
This allows me to access the My3 pages at http://mobile.three.co.uk/hb/HutchKey
3) Install the 3 Live Messenger Java client. I am using the version 4.5, not the latest V5. Credits for modifying this go to therafiman at MoDaCo.
This is working with Esmertec Jbed, and is working for free as it is meant to.
'Windows_Live Messenger.zip' contains the .jad and .jar files, and only seems to work if both are copied to the phone and the .jad file is run.
The Java client is far inferior to the normal Windows Mobile Live client, but the normal client is not free to run. Additionally I have been unable to log on using the normal client over 3g. If I log on while connected to activesync or wifi then I can switch to 3g and keep it running, but this will be charging you.
I haven't looked at skype yet, because no one I regularly call uses it. However I have found these instructions which look promising despite the dodgy numbering system:
(instructions from Shaun L at www.3g.co.uk
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which version of Esmertec Jbed is it working on with kaiser as there's a lot of different versions and i dont no which is compatible with my kaiser also installed it on my standard java application sines in but have to keep allowing things cant remember now but if i click bottom option keeps coming up again and again i click top option don't come back but either way i get 3 contacts or 5 online no more when i no there a lot more
cheers to any replies

On my Hermes I'm using Jbed Build ID: 20080610.2.1 downloaded from CRC's Device Update.

jez83uk said:
On my Hermes I'm using Jbed Build ID: 20080610.2.1 downloaded from CRC's Device Update.
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http //xdaonthree . tk
A website dedicated to all the above Xda Developers.
Thanks guys. Made my year!
Not allowed to post URLs as a newbie so will have to join the gap in the URL yourselves ;-)
foxtrotyankee

foxtrotyankee said:
http //xdaonthree . tk
A website dedicated to all the above Xda Developers.
Thanks guys. Made my year!
Not allowed to post URLs as a newbie so will have to join the gap in the URL yourselves ;-)
foxtrotyankee
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Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Hopefully it will help others in the future.
Heres a direct link for people if needed: http://xdaonthree.tk/

Nice idea
Really wish I could get hold of the three apps for Android now

damianiw said:
Nice idea
Really wish I could get hold of the three apps for Android now
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Is it the Iskoot for Android your after?
if so: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538306
My post has an Alpha/Beta that needs testing for Android.
upon request it was re-instated, there is an official version out there but i didnt get it to work properly, so i grabbed the original Iskoot for Android (non 3 version) and modified it slightly to incorporate the 3 uk settings

JavaAuthorizer
An excellent application if you don’t want to keep saying “Yes, allow NET access”
Thanks to the people who provided this.
http:// my-xda.blogspot.com/2009/10/change-untrusted-java-applications-on.html

Hi, can I somehow set ebuddy to the same settings and use it for free like windows live on 3 network?