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I have contacted BBC Watchdog (for those outside of UK - a consumer affairs watchdog that puts companies on the spot for mis-sold products) about the Blackberry update promised from O2 and how that ad for blackberry support has been removed with customer services saying there are no plans (despite what other people on this forum have said many times in the past) I would urge all other XDA IIs/i owners to do the same, if Watchdog get many of the same complaints - they will action it. We have to put O2 on the spot, enough is enough and it's time to bite back. This is what I sent:
I purchased an XDA IIi in February this year because O2 advertising said that a future rom update would allow me to pick up Blackberry emails. Since then and after many phone calls to their customers service departments, the new son the blackberry update has been withdrawn and customer services at O2 say there is no plans to release an update. There are many complaints like this on an XDA site run by enthusiasts but it seems O2 have turned their back on us. This model cost me a lot of money and was top of their range all year.
XDA still advrertising Blackberry support
Hi,
GOTO http://www.my-xda.com/xda2s_what.html and under 'Email & personal organiser' they are still advertising support for blackberry early 2005. Take a screen shot and email it to wathdog..!
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I have contacted BBC Watchdog (for those outside of UK - a consumer affairs watchdog that puts companies on the spot for mis-sold products) about the Blackberry update promised from O2 and how that ad for blackberry support has been removed with customer services saying there are no plans (despite what other people on this forum have said many times in the past) I would urge all other XDA IIs/i owners to do the same, if Watchdog get many of the same complaints - they will action it. We have to put O2 on the spot, enough is enough and it's time to bite back. This is what I sent:
I purchased an XDA IIi in February this year because O2 advertising said that a future rom update would allow me to pick up Blackberry emails. Since then and after many phone calls to their customers service departments, the new son the blackberry update has been withdrawn and customer services at O2 say there is no plans to release an update. There are many complaints like this on an XDA site run by enthusiasts but it seems O2 have turned their back on us. This model cost me a lot of money and was top of their range all year.
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O2 are launching the new ROM next week, for S and I. Blackberry Connect is on it, and it works fine now - but it didn't at the start of the year.
Twit.
RE: BBC Watchdog - WM2005
Good idea. I have now contacted Watchdog about 02s' customer support regarding the WM2005 on the XDA IIi, please see the message I sent them below. I would suggest that any body else interested in the WM2005 upgrade for the Alpine, send a message to BBC Watchdog, I think this method would be more persuasive on 02 than the petition, although still useful.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/index.shtml
Hi,
I am just contacting you regarding the appalling customer service from 02, the mobile phone provider.
They have been contacted by many many people about why they have sold their latest PDA/Phone the XDA IIi(Generic name 'HTC Alpine'), with all the latest processor hardware etc, but only installed the previous release of 'Windows Mobile 2003SE and not the current Microsoft Operating System 'Windows Mobile 2005'. Even though other manufacturers are offering backwood upgrades, in many cases 02 refuse to even contact you if you have made a email enquiry or some get a standard answer ie. "The hardware is not compatible", which of course is rubbish as Microsoft designed a test install of WM2005 for their staff on the previous 02 release the XDA II (Generic name 'Hymalaya). As is usual with the majority of customer helpdesks, they are only mouthpieces and have no way of offering any real or useful information to assist their customers in any meaningful way, although I'm sure the management mouthpieces would disagree!
These PDA/Phones cost alot of money and we as customers should not be ripped off by 02, they must do better, now please.
If you need some more for information go to this site http://forum.xda-developers.com/index.php , you will find plenty more people who are not happy. As you can see you'll get better support from this user run site than from the PDA companies!
Watchdog will not get involved with a WM2005 issue, O2 never promised it, never mentioned compatibility with future OS', and the main point being, don't even make the XDA devices, HTC do.
Alan I am an optimist and very much hope that if we complain enough, we can at least get some useful commincation out of O2 for a can. The XDA IIi has better hardware than many current WM5 devices. There's no reason why it can't run it so if we apply enough pressure, someone may listen.
This is why other manufacturers like Dell and HP remain an attractive and popular choice for users - they offer rom upgrade paths - they don't just dump their customers and move on like O2 have always done.
Alan, Do you work for 02? Sounds like it!
BBC Watchdog is not just about consumer law, it is about customers who feel they have been treated badly by cash grabbing companies who lack any real responsibilty towards their paying customers.
Have you not watched the program? Many companies have relented after customers have their problems aired on the program. We Alpine owners are not asking 02 anything unreasonable it is 02 who are being ignorant and evasive. :evil:
I have nothing to do with O2, I personally detest them, but you have to realise that the vast majority of XDA2i users would not be able to tell you what version of the OS it currently runs, let alone knowing there is the option of an upgrade to anything.
The people here are a very small minority of users who are the gadget lovers, geeks, and tech heads, O2, i-mate, qtek, T-Mobile, Orange, Vodafone, in fact, everyone that sells these things know they can ignore people like us because there are so few of us in comparison to the majority of customers who will blindly buy all the new versions without complaint.
Because *most* companies fail to offer any upgrade path, it becomes acceptable for none to offer it, so therefore, someone who knows nothing about these will argue we aren't being ripped off.
We know it's a raw deal, but this has been going on with WinCE devices for years now, and they never get any better, I very much doubt they will do now.
oh Alan!!!
your not a very excitable person are you...
No, not when it comes to things like this.
I have seen it happen too many times, a device is abandoned when it's this old usually.
The only way we will get 2005 is if a network releases it with 2005 and we copy it, or if a beta or development build is leaked as happened with the XDA2 or XDA2s.
There will be no official upgrade to 2005 for any of us because it would cost the company too much money to support. If it's leaked, and we trash our devices, the company doesn't have to worry about supporting it, and all the issues and questions about upgrading aren't their problem either.
Have I missed something here, what is so spectacularly superb about 2005? It will come with it's own set of bugs and incompatibilities.
Don't you people know anything about Microsoft yet?
I don't think BBC Watchdog would address this. This is because its a very specialised subject, something that won't bother 99.99% of the people who watch the program - they are there to address common issues which will affect many more people...
I think you'd have much more luck writing to the watchdog page of a specialist pocketpc magazine (don't know any off the top of my head) because it will affect a much larger percentage of their audience.
Well it is worth a try anyway. If Watchdog do a piece on bad support and high charges for mobiles etc, which I think is relevent to most users wether techy or not.they may include our bit as well.
I'll be looking at some mobile review sites and see if there are some high profile ones to address this issue too, at least \i'm trying, which is better than accepting the status quo.
Actually, I donly really mind not getting WM5 - it won't change how I use the device - but I do mind then ongoing issue with Blackberry Connect. Hopefully this will be sorted next week - but if past history is anything to go by, I'm not holding my breath!
O2 Blackberry upgrade?
So has O2 confirmed the new rom for next week then? There seems to be one person who says so...... any insiders? Tekguru?
seanrkelly said:
Actually, I donly really mind not getting WM5 - it won't change how I use the device - but I do mind then ongoing issue with Blackberry Connect. Hopefully this will be sorted next week - but if past history is anything to go by, I'm not holding my breath!
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I agree, not bothered particularily about WM5 as that was never advertised as one of the capabilities of the phone, Blackberry however was.
O2 should definately sort this out, Blackberry was one of the reasons for getting the phone, I've been waiting 6 months now despite being told by O2 that it was due in the spring , it's not good enough.
Slightly off topic but...
WM2005 would give you support for email push from MS Exchange servers, or from web companies providing the service, as opposed to specific Blackberry based systems.
This will seal the market on a corporate level for future roll outs as most companies will already have an Exchange server, and this will integrate well.
At the end of the day if you bought the device with word from the company that sold it to you telling you it would do something in the future that made you buy the device then withdrew this they are at fault. False advertising. As for watchdog not being interested, i'm sure theres many more things 02 and a whole host of other phone companies have and are doing wrong that merits them being put on the spot, problem is has watchdog got the balls to take on such giant organisations?
They've done it with much bigger companies, but the point is it won't satisfy a large enough number of viewers so in their eyes it won't be worth showing. Only a certain number of people are on O2, and a really tiny number choose the XDA2i, and only a small number of those are bothered by the issue in question. Whilst it's a very valid complaint, it doesn't make good TV.
No I agree. So maybe people ought to e-mail with all sorts of different complaints, that way they might dedicate more time for a section on rip off phone companies! At the end of the day you can't win, especially with phone companies, they screw you but just try not to get screwed up about it!
Just wondering...
Picked up a new V1615 (Vodafone Kaiser) from a Vodafone store just now because that's all they could offer me.
I really, really want an Mwg Atom V (details) or Atom Life which has some amazing specs (details) instead though.
So I want to sell the Vodafone brand new boxed and unopened, SIM free and unlocked.
What kind of price can I expect for it?
Thanks
Its worth as much as a standard Kaiser probably, and a bit more than an AT&T Tilt. But the main place for selling phones is eBay; so prices vary widely. You can probably get upwards of $650 for it.
You do know that in some respects the Kaiser beats the pants off that Atom thingy? For one thing, it has a keyboard. It also has GPS and a 3.1MP camera instead of a 2.0MP. There is also a much larger ROM community for the HTC phones than for the Atom.
Jozer99 said:
Its worth as much as a standard Kaiser probably, and a bit more than an AT&T Tilt. But the main place for selling phones is eBay; so prices vary widely. You can probably get upwards of $650 for it.
You do know that in some respects the Kaiser beats the pants off that Atom thingy? For one thing, it has a keyboard. It also has GPS and a 3.1MP camera instead of a 2.0MP. There is also a much larger ROM community for the HTC phones than for the Atom.
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Hmmm...I agree with some of what you say about the Atoms now after doing some more research.
One thing that's struck me is the customer service feedback about the Atom's manufacturers. Very few have anything nice to say about the service they received if something went wrong with their device. I'd be in fear of ever needing them.
The main things that have attracted me to the Atom phones so far is the use of Intel Xscale chips, better video support and the use of Sirfstar III chipsets for GPS. I don't need a high spec camera so I'm not bothered by the lack of high pixel capture.
In my experience of using old HTC devices (Universal, Magician) and some new ones (Trinity / P3600 and Kaiser), the older ones seemed faster for some reason. I don't know for sure but the Intel architecture seems better than the Qualcomm.
Also, the Sirfstar III GPS hardware wipes the floor with Qualcomm's equivalents in my experience and doesn't need QuickGPS to get a very fast lock in a built up city like London where I live.
Why did HTC start using these dodgy Qualcomm chips?
I'm still undecided...I just hate waiting with computers / PDAs etc...They should just work, and work fast. Maybe I'm asking for too much.
Anymore opinions?
You in the UK? Is the V1615 on contract?
Not impressed by those Atoms...
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Just wondering...
Picked up a new V1615 (Vodafone Kaiser) from a Vodafone store just now because that's all they could offer me.
I really, really want an Mwg Atom V (details) or Atom Life which has some amazing specs (details) instead though.
So I want to sell the Vodafone brand new boxed and unopened, SIM free and unlocked.
What kind of price can I expect for it?
Thanks
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That's all they could offer? You have got to be kidding, there isnt a better phone on voda, and you must pay silly amounts monthly to get that offered to you.
also, note, the vodafone one is unlocked from factory.
Though i did manage to pick one up for £20 a month on my contract for an upgrade, free! but i have a hell of a business head when it comes to negotiating!
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That's all they could offer? You have got to be kidding, there isnt a better phone on voda, and you must pay silly amounts monthly to get that offered to you.
also, note, the vodafone one is unlocked from factory.
Though i did manage to pick one up for £20 a month on my contract for an upgrade, free! but i have a hell of a business head when it comes to negotiating!
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heh heh
I meant that's all they could offer me in terms of high spec PDAs and I wasn't interested in Blackberrys.
I pay about £45 a month on my contract, but it is an 18 month one. Not bad, but then I've been with Voda for almost 10 years now.
Anyway....I've seen them go on ebay for around £350. Tempted to sell...Still not sure...Still haven't opened the box.
So noone really recommends the Mwgs? If that's the case then I don't really have any other options and I'll just use the Kaiser.
Maybe one day someone will find out how to enable all the great hardware inside the case
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heh heh
I meant that's all they could offer me in terms of high spec PDAs and I wasn't interested in Blackberrys.
I pay about £45 a month on my contract, but it is an 18 month one. Not bad, but then I've been with Voda for almost 10 years now.
Anyway....I've seen them go on ebay for around £350. Tempted to sell...Still not sure...Still haven't opened the box.
So noone really recommends the Mwgs? If that's the case then I don't really have any other options and I'll just use the Kaiser.
Maybe one day someone will find out how to enable all the great hardware inside the case
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I was gonna say! the kaiser isnt that bad mate, i havent come accross one issue with regards to graphics, plus, got a kiddies psp for games!!, sat nav works faultlessly, good quality phone, my battery life is fine. Keep it
If not, ebay mate, your best bet, but watch vodafone dont pick up on it, as it is "actually" theirs unitl youve paid your years contract off etc.
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If not, ebay mate, your best bet, but watch vodafone dont pick up on it, as it is "actually" theirs unitl youve paid your years contract off etc.
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No it's not - it's 100% your property, and your problem. That's not conditional on anything. The contract debt is separate - you owe them the value of that regardless of what you do with the phone. Sell it, keep it, give it back to them, you still owe the contract sum whatever you do.
selling phone
sell htc
wait 4/5 months
go get sony xperia ..
simple
or
have a look at the glofish 800 series
Does anyone know why AT&T discontinued the Tilt?
I'm looking at getting one but before I do I'd like to find out if anyone may know why their not offering them anymore. Thanks.
the tilt came out october of 07 its now 09 and the fuse is also out for att now. i work in customer care for att and its just the tilts time to go. if u are still looking for a tilt i have 2 i am looking to sell at least one of them pm me an offer if ur interested.
Thanks gimini. I thought it may have had something to do with the fuse but just wanted to make sure. I've found one to get but I'll pm you if it falls through.
aeh8 said:
Does anyone know why AT&T discontinued the Tilt?
I'm looking at getting one but before I do I'd like to find out if anyone may know why their not offering them anymore. Thanks.
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From what I read, they were just yanking them out of the AT$T stores, but they would still be made and available in online stores.
yea i saw on att.com that you can still buy them online only
as of about 9:30 EST today the tilt is nolonger avalible via systemX and only a very limited number of refurbs avalible on line.
p.s. systemX is the replenishment system for AT&T
Walmart.com has them in stock and pretty cheap with the contract renewal.
AT&T had announced some time ago that it is moving to ONE OS for smartphones, and that it has chosen Symbian, with the possible exception of the iPhone/OSX.
Any one know if this is actually going to happen, and when? Cuz it means of course, no more WinMo phones, no more PalmOS, isn't even clear if they'll keep RIM...
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AT&T had announced some time ago that it is moving to ONE OS for smartphones, and that it has chosen Symbian, with the possible exception of the iPhone/OSX.
Any one know if this is actually going to happen, and when? Cuz it means of course, no more WinMo phones, no more PalmOS, isn't even clear if they'll keep RIM...
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that would be stupid. i really hope they dont.
neurocutie said:
AT&T had announced some time ago that it is moving to ONE OS for smartphones, and that it has chosen Symbian, with the possible exception of the iPhone/OSX.
Any one know if this is actually going to happen, and when? Cuz it means of course, no more WinMo phones, no more PalmOS, isn't even clear if they'll keep RIM...
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Good possibility...
AT&T is to Reduce Smartphone OS Support to one or two platforms
Posted by SK in December 8th, 2008
http://www.cellphonesmarket.com/news/tag/att-symbian/
AT&T is looking to reduce the number of phone operating systems supported by its own-brand phones to just one or two platforms. Speaking at the Symbian Partner Conference, Roger Smith, director of next-generation services at AT&T, warned that Java based handsets had been problematic, mainly due to in-house management issues - and hinted that Symbian
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More info on this..
http://techblips.dailyradar.com/story/at_t_hopes_for_single_smart_phone_os/
AT&T dreams of single smartphone OS, will probably keep dreaming
Published 12/5/2008 by Darren Murph at Engadget Mobile
... Okay, so we fully understand that it would make life a lot easier on AT&T if every smartphone on its network used the same operating system, but we're not so sure we like the idea of losing the whole "ability to choose." Speaking at the Symbian Partner Event in San Francisco, AT&T's Roger Smith (director of next generation services, data product realization at AT&T) reportedly stated that he wanted to "standardize on a single operating system for AT&T-branded smartphones as part of a dramatic consolidation of its mobile platforms over the next few years." ...
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AT&T dreams of single smartphone OS, will probably keep dreaming
Published 12/5/2008 by Darren Murph at Engadget
Okay, so we fully understand that it would make life a lot easier on AT&T if every smartphone on its network used the same operating system, but we're not so sure we like the idea of losing the whole "ability to choose." Speaking at the Symbian Partner Event in San Francisco, AT&T's Roger Smith (director of next generation services, data product realization at AT&T) reportedly stated that he wanted to "standardize on a single operating system for AT&T-branded smartphones as part of a dramatic consolidation of its mobile platforms over the next few years." ...
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Single OS for smartphones desired by AT&T, possibly Symbian
Published 12/6/2008 by James at Phones Review
... Basically, AT&T believes the smartphone will become the largest portion of mobile phones connecting to their network come 2014, and wishes to avoid platform fragmentation which makes it difficult to develop mobile apps. Speaking at the Symbian Partner Event in San Francisco, Roger Smith, director of next generation services, data product realization at AT&T said that Symbian is very credible and a likely candidate to become the singular operating system. Full article here ...
I just picked up a new one on ebay lastnight for $150
Well I need to return my tilt for a new one.. well prob refurnished (hardware problems).. whats the odds of me getting a NEW Fuse as a upgrade??
gogorob said:
Well I need to return my tilt for a new one.. well prob refurnished (hardware problems).. whats the odds of me getting a NEW Fuse as a upgrade??
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Read here for your chances
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444726
Morning peeps,
just a mention, i'm quite amazed with the lack of marketing for the HD7.
Just walked into a o2 shop to confirm if the HD7 is still on for 21st Oct and the answer was YES. But there no HD7 pics or notice on the o2 shop front.... why?
2 days left and no advertising...
It was exactly the same last year with the release of the HD2 and I imagine it happens all the time with new phones.
Last year they released the HD2 without marketing online or in any of the UK shops, but by lunchtime they had sold out their stocks. It was the same story over at Vodaphone UK.
Remember, you're probably not the only person to have walked into the shop and asked for the HD7 and I can imagine demand will be high for the first few weeks. After that HTC will probably have more units made.
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It was exactly the same last year with the release of the HD2 and I imagine it happens all the time with new phones.
Last year they released the HD2 without marketing online or in any of the UK shops, but by lunchtime they had sold out their stocks. It was the same story over at Vodaphone UK.
Remember, you're probably not the only person to have walked into the shop and asked for the HD7 and I can imagine demand will be high for the first few weeks. After that HTC will probably have more units made.
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cool, but as i recall correctly, IPHONE 4 was marketed much better and well before its release. why not just copy it
I agree, Apple are good at that. MS doesn't have any real say over the OEMs and it is HTC supplying the devices to O2. HTC are also supplying several models on launch day, so I imagine they don't have all their factories making one model. AT the end pof the day we will never know.
Lets just hpe we don't have the hardware mess that was the iPhone antennae
So far here in the UK I haven't seen any advertising for Windows Phone 7. The only ads I've seen are ones I've found myself through reading about WP7 on sites like engadget and other tech news sites. If I was a member of Joe public, I'd have no clue it existed unless I'd actively been looking on Orange's website at phone upgrades.
Maybe I haven't been hanging around bus stops enough to see the advertising posters?
I agree I haven't seen anything either. I do recall knowing about the new iPhone 4 about a week before it was released, I think MS has missed the boat here.
The marketing of the features on this phone is truly a disappointment. My single favourite feature is the wireless sync. My brother always tells me hes jealous for that feature alone (he has an iphone 4). But most likely no one will hear about this and apple will introduce it in their next update and it will be the greatest thing that apple has done and all microsoft can do is sit there and say we had that first.
The International Trade Commission (ITC) on Monday ruled in favor of Apple in its patent battle against HTC, ordering an import ban on certain HTC devices starting April 19, 2012.
HTC will be allowed to import refurbished devices with the infringing patent until Dec. 19, 2013 for replacement purposes, but the company cannot refer to new devices as refurbished, the ITC said in its ruling.
HTC and Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
As patent blogger Florian Mueller explained in a blog post, the ban applies to Android-based devices that including a "data tapping patent." One example of this technology is a phone number within an email that you can tap to bring up the phone dialer and place a call automatically.
"If Google can implement this popular feature, which users of modern-day smartphones really expect, without infringing on the two patent claims found infringed, this import ban won't have any effect whatsoever," Mueller wrote. "Otherwise HTC will have to remove this feature, which would put HTC at a competitive disadvantage as compared to other smartphone makers, including other Android device makers."
In July, an ITC judge found that HTC infringed on two of 10 Apple patents. HTC and Apple both requested reviews in that decision, prolonging the process.
"Apple would have preferred for the Commission to adopt the [administrative law judge's] recommendation, but in the event that a review would take place (as it did), Apple also wanted to raise some questions of its own and asked for another look at the two patents the ALJ did not deem infringed," Mueller wrote today. "But as I expected, the review focused on the two patents the ALJ deemed infringed."
Mueller noted that the ITC found that HTC does not infringe on a "much broader and potentially more impactful patent on realtime signal processing." That, he said, "could have had much more impact on HTC and, more generally, Android than the data tapping patent."
Nonetheless, the ITC ruling is "progress" for Apple, Mueller said. If Cupertino can challenge handset makers on other data-tapping-esque patents, it could "really have competitive impact with its many litigations targeting Android," Mueller concluded.
In addition to the ITC, Apple and HTC are also battling over patents in several courts throughout the world.
Today's decision was twice-delayed. The D.C-based ITC was first scheduled to rule on Dec. 6, but that got pushed to Dec 14 and then today.
Earlier this month, PCMag mobile analyst Sascha Segan suggested that an Apple win is also a victory for Microsoft. For more, see An HTC Android Ban is Microsoft's Dream.
Today's ruling comes several weeks after the ITC ruled that Apple's products don't infringe on patents held by S3 Graphics, a company in the process of being acquired by HTC.
For more from Chloe, follow her on Twitter @ChloeAlbanesius.
zombie.raised said:
The International Trade Commission (ITC) on Monday ruled in favor of Apple in its patent battle against HTC, ordering an import ban on certain HTC devices starting April 19, 2012.
HTC will be allowed to import refurbished devices with the infringing patent until Dec. 19, 2013 for replacement purposes, but the company cannot refer to new devices as refurbished, the ITC said in its ruling.
HTC and Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
As patent blogger Florian Mueller explained in a blog post, the ban applies to Android-based devices that including a "data tapping patent." One example of this technology is a phone number within an email that you can tap to bring up the phone dialer and place a call automatically.
"If Google can implement this popular feature, which users of modern-day smartphones really expect, without infringing on the two patent claims found infringed, this import ban won't have any effect whatsoever," Mueller wrote. "Otherwise HTC will have to remove this feature, which would put HTC at a competitive disadvantage as compared to other smartphone makers, including other Android device makers."
In July, an ITC judge found that HTC infringed on two of 10 Apple patents. HTC and Apple both requested reviews in that decision, prolonging the process.
"Apple would have preferred for the Commission to adopt the [administrative law judge's] recommendation, but in the event that a review would take place (as it did), Apple also wanted to raise some questions of its own and asked for another look at the two patents the ALJ did not deem infringed," Mueller wrote today. "But as I expected, the review focused on the two patents the ALJ deemed infringed."
Mueller noted that the ITC found that HTC does not infringe on a "much broader and potentially more impactful patent on realtime signal processing." That, he said, "could have had much more impact on HTC and, more generally, Android than the data tapping patent."
Nonetheless, the ITC ruling is "progress" for Apple, Mueller said. If Cupertino can challenge handset makers on other data-tapping-esque patents, it could "really have competitive impact with its many litigations targeting Android," Mueller concluded.
In addition to the ITC, Apple and HTC are also battling over patents in several courts throughout the world.
Today's decision was twice-delayed. The D.C-based ITC was first scheduled to rule on Dec. 6, but that got pushed to Dec 14 and then today.
Earlier this month, PCMag mobile analyst Sascha Segan suggested that an Apple win is also a victory for Microsoft. For more, see An HTC Android Ban is Microsoft's Dream.
Today's ruling comes several weeks after the ITC ruled that Apple's products don't infringe on patents held by S3 Graphics, a company in the process of being acquired by HTC.
For more from Chloe, follow her on Twitter @ChloeAlbanesius.
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That might be enough to get me to import my future phones from here on out.
Or leave the USA.
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Hate apple
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I got my EVO 3D from rogers Canada and works perfectly on att. Have my vivid on the backburner til it gets unlocked.
I have no objections to going overseas to get the phones I want
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Well, that's Apple for you. Make a few innovations, and then sue everyone that makes it better than you.
And I used to be an iPhone guy, but their products are stale and boring now, and without Steve Jobs they're lost. God forbid they try to think up something ACTUALLY NEW again.
This particular patent sounds some what easy to work around, or its not a big deal if HTC drop this feature from the mail client.
I am not sure if they would go after if HTC made this as APP , I am sure touchdown and many other apps also violate this.I think the best option here would be to open source HTC sense code.
It would great for xda dev and HTC too....
HTC Planning Work-Around
In this post on ZDNet, HTC indicates they are planning a work-around. That makes me think that this will drive efforts to get an upgrade out soon(er). The question is whether it will be separate or include ICS. The trick will be to get AT&T to get their act together and deploy it in a timely manner
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sour...ndroid-phones-sales-for-now/10032?tag=nl.e539
In Canada Bell kind of leaked the information that Raider (VIVID) will get ICS in 1st week of March 2012. Its quite possible to see a Beta version leak in early 2012.
its good to see the service provider pushing for for an update with a schedule, At least will Bell Canada it was never this way before.