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Tytn II Stability??

I'm thinking of switching to the Tytn II (Kaiser) from my current Touch (Elf), but before buying this expensive device I'd like to get some feedback on the stability of the Tytn II vs. the Touch.
My biggest problems with the Touch are freezing with the display on and shutting down on its own - requiring a soft reset to restart. It does one or the other at least five times a week. A few times it has failed to restart on soft reset after several attempts. I've had to hard reset twice. I thought it might be a bad unit but I've seen too many posts of the same behavior from other Touch owners here and on Howard to believe it's hardware.
What has been the experience with similar problems on the Tytn II?
Any feedback would be very appreciated.

I had the o2 Exec (HTC Universal, so not the Touch, but maybe this will be useful) for 18 months. In comparison, the Kaiser comes on instantly, is fast and I have yet to reset (in 6 weeks) apart from when installing software. The Uni I needed to reset every other day due to it eatting up memory, and it took a couple of seconds from power on to being able to use it. The device is very stable and out of the box works perfectly. If you need it for watching high quality video and graphics intensive games you will have problems according to some posts, but for any other use it is a good device.

I have both the HTC Kaiser and 2 AT&T Tilts.
I haven't watched videos, so I can't comment on that,
but everything else has worked fine.
Never had freeze up on them.

tkalli said:
I have both the HTC Kaiser and 2 AT&T Tilts.
I haven't watched videos, so I can't comment on that
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Sorry but....why? 3 (of what is basically the same) phone's, yet you've NEVER tried playing video? I take it you have more money than sense

No crashes in over 3 months. Actually, it only crashed when I made a bad registry edit so you could count it as none.
A large part also depends on what you do such as what you install and what registry changes you make. I have installed a lot and done many tweaks and still the most stable PDA phone I've ever used.

I second what Steve-C said. Tytn II is the most stable pda "phone" I use so far (HTC magician -> O2 Atom -> Eten M600 -> Asus P525). But video playback is the worst I had so far.....

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Sorry but....why? 3 (of what is basically the same) phone's, yet you've NEVER tried playing video? I take it you have more money than sense
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Sometimes people get these phones to be more than just glorified iPod Videos.

snooginsguy said:
Sometimes people get these phones to be more than just glorified iPod Videos.
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Oh no, i agree. I just find it odd to own 3 of one of the most expensive gadgets around.

Yeah, that's a good point.

Advice Needed: Thinking of upgrading from a modded Wing (n00b warning)

I have a chance to get a brand new AT&T Tilt for pretty cheap (w/o contract). I am a Tmo user and have been using the Wing/Herald. I just found this forum and have enjoyed modding my phone. Most of the issues that I hated about the wing dissapeared when I reflashed with the new rom. No more freezing up on me, and my camera actually has enough memory to operate (even with other apps open!). I used to have to soft reset it to get the camera to work LOL! Anyways... I really want the GPS functionality and increased performance of the Kaiser but I'm worried about all the complaints I see about video drivers and unresolved issues.
Also one of my friends who has the AT&T Tilt says he's on his 2nd phone and the middle button keeps failing (sticking) on him. Is this normal?
Should I make the jump? Or hang on to my Wing until the issues are resolved? Will the video performance of the Kaiser be worse then the Herald I have now?
Thanks guys... I look forward to spending a lot more time on here!!

Flight Mode

On several occasions I find that my att tilt had spontaneously switched to flight mode. This has serious consequences for me since I depend on my phone for my work. I am a physician, only recently I carried a beeper, cell phone, and a PDA, to handle my paging, calling back and the several apps I use daily. It was wonderful to exchange all three for a relatively compact machine. But this issue if not resolved it will certainly cause me to revert to a different system. I am in critical care and time is of essence, it is simply a matter of life or death that I am contacted in a timely manner when needed. It is unacceptableto work under these unreliable conditions. Idealy I would like to comletely disable/remove flight mode as I have no use for it, or stop my phone from going into flight mode at any time.
P.S. I noticed that this may occur when my phone is out of range from a cellular network signal. I work in shielded rooms to prevent xray radiation from escaping and affecteing people outside the room. At the same time this prevents wireless signal from reaching inside, so I may be without a signal several times on some days.When the signal returns, the phone now does not accept text or calls, until I manually turn the phone on in the com manager.
Any ideas?

Ouch.
Sounds like this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351646
There doesn't seem to be a definite solution...

I have a TyTN II that I used stock for 3 months then flashed to Sleuth's for now several months. I almost always have the phone set for 3G Off (EDGE only) to save battery. I use 3G only when needing speed, streaming etc..
In all this time the phone has never gone into flight mode. Perhaps try loading a comm manager that allows you to hold off 3G and try that for a while? Check out "Shaps Advanced Config" to add the 3G button to your comm manager screen. With that you can turn off 3G and perhaps stabilize the phone when it looses signal when you are out of range. I work with medical instrumentation and am in hospitals all the time and go out of range as you say, many times per day without incident.
I also have a Tilt that I got as a spare when there was a promo for $149 and that was cheaper than phone insurance. I will be flashing it soon to Sleuth's rom and testing it before I do the same on a friends Tilt... I'll be watching to see if this is a Tilt thing, but that should be unlikely.

I would flash a new rom to your tilt being that the WM6.1 was just released on this forum I would go with that one. Make sure you HardSPL your tilt first before flashing to a different rom. there are plunty of threads and a whole wiki on how to do all of this properly. If that doesn't work then exchange it for a new one. I have a feeling a new rom and radio will work just fine though

Folkes thanks for the suggesstions. I was forced to suspend any upgrading since my 8925 is out of commission while I am waiting for a replacement on my cracked LCD screen. This happened for the second time in so many months (each time costing $70, and near heart attack trying to replace the screen without damaging phone). Is it bad luck or a 8925 design issue? This time LCD cracked while the phone was in a leather case.
I have been fooling with my old cing 8525, managed to install Hard SPL and flashed a couple of roms. I feel like I need to learn some more by trial and error so that if I manage to brick my phone I can spare my 8925. Is there a rom that is out there that does not have flight mode? Can such a rom be built?
P.S. Having searched many forums on other sites, beyond doubt you have the most eager to help experts. People like me who only dabble occasionally, would never be able to scratch the surface without your help. Please keep up the excellent work.

I use the Tilt all the time - I use a PDair leather case and have never had any problem with "cracked" screen. Nothing even close - but - in an emergency environment where things are smacking up against you - well - the laws of physics apply...
Regarding "going into flight mode". I have never had this happen - I got the original AT&T ROM and then upgraded myself to the latest AT&T ROM and my ONLY wish about this phone would be longer battery life.
It never makes it for more than a day without charging - at the moment I can live with that - but I WISH that I did not have to eye it nervously towards the end of the day.
Bill
researchermd said:
Folkes thanks for the suggesstions. I was forced to suspend any upgrading since my 8925 is out of commission while I am waiting for a replacement on my cracked LCD screen. This happened for the second time in so many months (each time costing $70, and near heart attack trying to replace the screen without damaging phone). Is it bad luck or a 8925 design issue? This time LCD cracked while the phone was in a leather case.
I have been fooling with my old cing 8525, managed to install Hard SPL and flashed a couple of roms. I feel like I need to learn some more by trial and error so that if I manage to brick my phone I can spare my 8925. Is there a rom that is out there that does not have flight mode? Can such a rom be built?
P.S. Having searched many forums on other sites, beyond doubt you have the most eager to help experts. People like me who only dabble occasionally, would never be able to scratch the surface without your help. Please keep up the excellent work.
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If contacting you in a timely fashion is a matter of life and death, I would not depend on any windows mobile/palm/smartphone device. There's just too much going on that could go wrong to prevent you (as you've discovered) from getting that one call.
I'd rather stick to a simpler device.
PM

packetmangler said:
If contacting you in a timely fashion is a matter of life and death, I would not depend on any windows mobile/palm/smartphone device. There's just too much going on that could go wrong to prevent you (as you've discovered) from getting that one call.
I'd rather stick to a simpler device.
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I have used suh a device for three to four years without a problem, starting with 8125, 8525, and now 8925. I agree that wwindows devise may freeze up more often but other setups have other issues and are less practical.
I agree with RemE I think it has to do with battery life, somehow shuts down the radio. I plan to upgrade ROM whenever I get the chance. Are the different ROMs better for different carriers, e.g. att? I had Faria on my hermes which worked fine.

Probably worst device I've bought!!

Must admit I'm just about to part company with the TyTn. I've been impressed with it to a degree as a PDA but I do think the phone element of it is atrocious. What makes it worse now is that there seems to be problem after problem with it, especially after the 6.1 upgrade.
Latest problem is that today it just seems to slow down, lock or even freeze completely. Going to contacts and hitting a contact in the list doesn't open it up any more and problems just seem to start from there. Once this happens I can't close programmes, can't navigate in them, in fact can't do anything, at least until the damn thing seems to catch up with a key press I made 1/2 an hour ago. Restarts and battery removal seem to fix it for 1/2 an hour or so but then it's back to lag and lock. Sick and tired of it now.
It got turned off and on again while connected to PC by USB and not sure if that's caused it but overall I'm getting quite fed up with the device and the WM 6.1 combi.
Contemplating a hard reset or even re-flash (possibly back to WM6.0 but the problems with SPL reversion put me off that) to try to fix what has just become a bug ridden pain to use.

Did you install Hard SPL to upgrade to WM6.1, or are you using your Carriers ROM?
If so what version of Hard SPL are you currently using?
Ta
Dave

Dont forget that its not the phone´s fault but M$ and HTC. They build the crappy roms. I have cooked rom on my kaiser and I am more then satisfied with it.

Absolutely nothing wrong with mine and I've had it since Jan this year.
Whatever problem has occurred has been as a result of my installing some app that conflicts with something, but I have aways been able to rectify matters.
Runs like a well-oiled machine.

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Absolutely nothing wrong with mine and I've had it since Jan this year.
Whatever problem has occurred has been as a result of my installing some app that conflicts with something, but I have aways been able to rectify matters.
Runs like a well-oiled machine.
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Same here, though i have this device since may this year. I have to say that a flash with a custom rom improves the quality of the kaiser. Carrier roms are slow and full with programs i do not use.
My only remark is that the phone reacts slow on phonecalls. It takes a second or two before the phone rings when you are called. Besides that, the phone responses slow when i end a call. So the reaction time can be improved. Still: that's my only remark and i do not even know if that is a phone or os related problem.

MACkjam said:
Absolutely nothing wrong with mine and I've had it since Jan this year.
Whatever problem has occurred has been as a result of my installing some app that conflicts with something, but I have aways been able to rectify matters.
Runs like a well-oiled machine.
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Ditto, I've had mine a year and it's a champ. Either your spl is wrong for 6.1 or your phone is sick and needs to go to the phone hospital.

Never had any problem with my Tytn II ....love it,, with me since April this year...
The Copilot GPS software which i got free with phone works like a dream.
Cheers.

No problems with my device and I am taking it to the limits daily.
If you need a solid fast reliable smartphone - you can sure find better then this.
but if you look for a device that can be configured to fit exactly your taste and needs with the best support ever (yes, I'm speaking about the XDA-Dev forum) keep this one.
this is the ultimate device for those who are seeking for constant improvment and willing to invest some of their time in it (flashing flashing flashing)

Well I'm glad for those that are having a better experience than mine. Mine is still pretty dismal though.
Like an idiot I just followed the instructions from HTC for installing their 6.1 and haven't touched SPL. It was all working fine (of sorts) yesterday (despite the fact that I wished I had not upgraded to 6.1) andf then it just keeps locking up. Using SMS and hitting to accept a word offered by predictive text guarantees a lock as does opening contacts and selecting a contact. Will look at the SPL issue but didn't really want to be tinkering with that as I wanted to keep it all stock from the warranty side. At the moment though I suspect even the warranty will not cover it when I hurl it against the wall from having to do the 25th reset of the day.

I suggest you do a hard reset; then install Hard SpL and go to WM 6.1. Once SpL is installed there will be very few, if any, problems with the device.
Cheers

MACkjam said:
Absolutely nothing wrong with mine and I've had it since Jan this year.
Whatever problem has occurred has been as a result of my installing some app that conflicts with something, but I have aways been able to rectify matters.
Runs like a well-oiled machine.
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Same for me. I have had nothing but great luck with my 8925 with the stock ATT ROM.... And its a refurb!
Maybe you just have a bad phone. You don't judge the heard by one horse.

Empgamer said:
Well I'm glad for those that are having a better experience than mine. Mine is still pretty dismal though.
Like an idiot I just followed the instructions from HTC for installing their 6.1 and haven't touched SPL. It was all working fine (of sorts) yesterday (despite the fact that I wished I had not upgraded to 6.1) andf then it just keeps locking up. Using SMS and hitting to accept a word offered by predictive text guarantees a lock as does opening contacts and selecting a contact. Will look at the SPL issue but didn't really want to be tinkering with that as I wanted to keep it all stock from the warranty side. At the moment though I suspect even the warranty will not cover it when I hurl it against the wall from having to do the 25th reset of the day.
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Thats weird mate, before even knowing that xda existed I flashed mine to 6.1 on the HTC site and it worked like a charm.

I have to say that I bought this phone well knowing that it was more of a ppc than a phone. I have to say that this phone has BLOWN ME AWAY with the capabilities shown through this forum. I suppose I shouldnt be surprised, being that it is practically a computer, all the mods are basically batch files and adjusting the registry or are skins. I absolutely love this machine!

Diamond: some production series better than others?

I just got my Diamond back from repairs and wanted to compare experiences:
1)
I first bought a Diamond two months ago. It came with 1.37 ROM series on it, the screen wasn't too yellowish, but touch function wasn't responsive and the GPS was a MESS!
(of course, I tried many ROMs official and unofficial, almost every Radio ROM and various Hard-SPL. None of that fixed the problems.)
I could cope with with the other flaws, but I just couldn't bear my GPS wasn't getting a fix, no matter how much sattelits were in view...
It worked at first, but soon started to display '66666' instead of the location and finally, it would never display any location again.
I tried every tips and tricks and softs, it helped giving me more and more satellits in view and apparently active, but at the end my crappy GPS could never turn the datas received into a proper location...
2)
I sent my device back to warranty (after flashing back to official ROM and SPL) and had to wait for about a month.
(the technician at first tought I was just a noob unable to set his phone properly, but after two days of attempts, he had to admit that there was something wrong with my phone and sent it to the the headquarter for replacement of motherboard and so on.
3)
The new phone I got came directly with 1.93 ROM and a little bit more yellowish screen, though, there is no spot or stain on it. So the coulour doesnt bother me.
But from the beginning I noticed the new phone was much more responsive even at the slightest touch.
From the first try, the GPS got a fix in about 1 mn time, with only 3-4 satelits in view.
I installed Hard-SPL and the latest Australian Official ROM, and though the screen seems now a little less responsive than before, the GPS is still working, fine.
I'm a VERY happy user of Diamond now, but I'm still wondering one thing:
it looks like once the warranty technicians understood that I was very demanding about quality and complete functions, they took time but gave me a phone totally different in terms of behaviour and quality of the components sensitivity of screen, GPS etc.
Is there some bad production series that they never tells publicly about, and much more better series that they give you as a replacement once they understand you will bother them until the end of time if you are not satsified?
Plz tell your experience about having received two new diamonds with totally different behaviour and quality of the components.

I guess you are totally right!!!
My first device was pealing paint in the aluminium frame on the second day, work very good by the way.
Now i´m on the second device and i my hardware keys, especially the call button is sometimes irresponsive and i have to push it several times to enter the dial.
Tried cooked rooms as well, and the call button issue still remains, so i´m a little unhappy with my diamond experience.

I've noticed that whenever i turn on my display after having left the diamond unused for sometime the lcd doesn't switch on smoothly, what i mean is that it first displays a grey pattern(only for a ms or so) and then the desktop( lcd off>>grey flash>>desktop). Usually the transition from off to desktop is quite smooth, but in my case its not!
Is this a s/w issue or h/w ?

I've never experienced that particular problem myself, but sounds like H/W problem to me...

just been through a couple of other threads related to the grey screen of death...i've had it once...it happened while i ended a call, had to soft reset to resolve it.
take a look at the grey screen of death i'm talking about

Pretty scary indeed!
It might not be a coincidence that you experienced both: grey transition when switching on the screen and once, the grey screen of death after a call...
Two different effects of the same defective part in your H/W?

a solution!, almost
untill now i've had auto brightness control switched off and the brightness was set to minimum to save battery life, but now i just tried switching on auto adjust backlight and the problem seems to have vanished.....coming out of standby is smooth as ever!
although i've to say that i don't quite understand the logic behind it.
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it doesn't help for long

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a solution!, almost
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it doesn't help for long
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This is what I was worrying about...
Your method sounded like a work around to avoid the display failure. But as a matter of fact, there must be a reason for the display to fail. (bad screen, power supply or something...)
By the way, I'm more and more convinced about my assumption that there are bad production series and better ones:
Today I had my device connected to my PC through USB for a couple of hours. In the meantime, I was downloading and deleting messages, watching google video on opera, after that I used wifi etc.
In this situation, my first Diamond would have got hot like hell and my hand could barely stand the pain...
Since many people were complaining about over-heat problems, I thought that was a common problem with Diamond.
But the new one did not get that hot. Just a little over-warmed, but definitely not too hot. From that phenomenon, I can see what I felt about a better touch-flow behaviour, a better GPS and so on is a part of a whole:
I was first sold a ****ty phone, and now I finally got a proper Diamond!
People with bad series, you don't have to cope with all those troubles, ask for a replacement phone!

my diamond gets heated up quite a bit at times....but i dont fully uderstand what exactly is the cause.....i've had experiences with the diamond getting pretty hot while using wifi & or gps and on another occasion i was watching a DVDRIP via wifi(@ full power) using core player and also with gps cycle running in the backgroud, still the diamond stayed well within reasonable limits.
i think it has to be a software problem, possibly the radio s/w
would you mind sharing the radio version of your diamond?

As written in my signature, I'm using the 1.00.25 which is included in all latest official ROMs.
By the way, I hope you did not cast a spell on me! (just kidding)
Today I experienced my first grey screen!!!
My Diamond was connected to the PC through USB cable, downloading e-mails, and I got a phone call. When I hung the phone, It suddainly happened, for the first time in my Diamond user carreer!
Just for one second, looking like an old black and white TV screen trying to tune on channels.
Hope that was the first and last time. In ordinary calls, (without being synchronized to the PC at the same time, it never happened so far...

sorry to hear that my friend
My Diamond was connected to the PC through USB cable, downloading e-mails, and I got a phone call. When I hung the phone, It suddainly happened, for the first time in my Diamond user carreer!
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I'd the same experience except for the fact that my diamond wasn't connected to a PC.
I hard reseted my diamond yesterday, but the grey splash while i turn on the display from standby(post 3) still exists ( ......i don't suppose its a software problem anymore.

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Why not trying to send it back to the seller and get a new one?
This problem is easy to demonstrate to the technicians, and I don't think they will be cheeky enough to say that's a normal phenomenon!

This problem is easy to demonstrate to the technicians, and I don't think they will be cheeky enough to say that's a normal phenomenon!
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not that easy.....the thing is that if we turn on & off the lcd without a gap of atleast 4-5 min(dono exactly) i dont see that grey splash
i think im going to wait another 3-4 months before i approach for warranty.

I had that "gray splash" problem with my Kaiser and Diamond.
Hard reset also didn't work like above. For both devices the fix was simply flashing to a different (cooked) ROM.

As mentioned in another thread, the grey screen problem was fixed (as least for me when I flashed to dutty's rom)

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not that easy.....the thing is that if we turn on & off the lcd without a gap of atleast 4-5 min(dono exactly) i dont see that grey splash
i think im going to wait another 3-4 months before i approach for warranty.
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You can stay there and wait for 5 more minutes in the shop while they are attending other customers, just to proove your point.
If they are honest, they will not deny the fact!
foxium said:
I had that "gray splash" problem with my Kaiser and Diamond.
Hard reset also didn't work like above. For both devices the fix was simply flashing to a different (cooked) ROM.
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As mentioned in another thread, the grey screen problem was fixed (as least for me when I flashed to dutty's rom)
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There might be some tweaks in the cooked ROMs that avoid the problem, or it might be due to some bad flashing or defective hardware.
If not, how do you explain that I've never experienced this with my previous HTC phones (wizard, Trinity...) nor I experienced it with my Diamonds (the first one and the new one) with stock or cooked ROMs.
except for that very special time, when I received a call while downloading messages through Active Sync.