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Is it worth it???

I just got the AT&T Tilt last Friday and have found myself pondering if it was worth the $300.00? I am thinking about taking it back because it seems to buggy. The phone its self is good looking but WM6 is just ugly compared to the iPhone interface. Anyways what do you think?

If aesthetics are you main concern, sure go with an iPhone. I like functionality over appearance, so I love my tilt!

yes it worth it, there is soooooo many apps that u can add, you can even upgrade from that cingular rom, i havent seen anyone with my tilt yet

Now come on... this is getting beyond a joke....You have an At&T Tilt, not a 'HTC TyTnII'
Please disclose your business affiliations as I am POSITIVE you are associated with apple as this is getting really stupid!
Who buys a very expensive phone without research then suddenly comes on this forum and denouces it within a few weeks without really trying it??
I am amazed!!!
OH, BTW I am not associated with HTC in any way and I find it a 100% piece of kit for what I wanted.

Amazing how many times you see "is it worth it to me" on forums. Who else but you could possibly answer if it's worth it to you???

hahahaha good point, Farsquidge......iphone=downgrade

First off I do not work for AT&T!!! I am a high school student that spent alot of time doing research on this phone! I love my "'HTC TyTnII" or whatever you want to call it! I only called it the Tilt for the simple fact that its branded name is the AT&T Tilt. This has to be the most unfriendly forum I have ever been on!

Dude you need to chill out. Swearing will get you banned. Everyone has their opinions about the iPhone and the Tilt. If you don't like someone else's opinions, just ignore them.
Personally I love the Tilt. The iPhone just doesn't do enough for me. Yes, it has a very nice interface but in the end, function wins over form.
If you want a pretty phone, go with the iPhone. If you want one that you can easily hack and tweak and load tons of 3rd party apps on, get the Tilt, but it is your choice to make, not ours to make for you.
In the end, you have to live with your choice.
P.S. I absolutely love my Tilt. It runs rings around the iPhone and I don't have to worry about Steve Jobs making my life difficult by not letting me do what I want with it.

Thank you. I think I will stay with my Tilt.

dawa259 said:
Thank you. I think I will stay with my Tilt.
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Please don't give up.. I know some of us (me for one!) can be a little short tempered with what is around on this forum at the moment (flaming the device!) but all of us on here would like to try to help you futher your unit!
I am sorry if I seemed to shoot you down at the start...
Let's move on from that...
You say you have a 'Tilt', first thing we can recommend is re-flashing your ROM to a HTC TyTnII as the AT&T is a very basic firmware but when you do this you will lose your AT&T settings ( that is your 3G HSDPA connection). Then you will need the latest Network settings cab.. Then lets move on from that!!! OK?

There are so many different roms witch is the one I need to use?

True, there are many. I like the att rom. it's not that bad. i just removed all of the bloatware on it by doing a soft reset after the hard reset and that freeed like 20 mb or so. btw, if you want to run different roms on the tilt, you must cid unlcok your tilt.

We need a few bits of info to start you off.
First, tell us the device (I know it may seem strange but we need to know who you bought it from ie At&T or whatever as this forum is worldwide!!)
Then when you first turn on the phone (turn it off by holding the power button!) try to get the OS and Radio versions it has. You may need to do this a couple of times as it disappears quickly.
If I am not online you will find loads of guys willing to help....
You have come into a great community that will work with you so long as we get the correct info...

I bought it from an AT&T store. The numbers are R1.27.12.11 G22.445.88.07h D1.57.00.00.

I need the same help here, thanks in advance
I will follow this thread since I have the same phone, same radio and OS, I'm very interested in getting a better ROM to see what are the PROS.

OK guys, have a good read at the WiKi...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
Especially at the 'How to flash a new ROM' section. It will give you a good aspect of what you will be doing..

I should have my tilt in a few days ( Amazon is the worst!). So I have been going around trying to gather as much information as possible on how customize my phone....Farsquidge, if I change my tilt interface to the TyTn11 interface I will lose my 3g? Also what is the benefit of changing? Also, I met alot of people who told me of good apps for my phone but is there a site where I can go where there is alot of apps with discriptions of what they do?

Thatplayboy said:
I should have my tilt in a few days ( Amazon is the worst!). So I have been going around trying to gather as much information as possible on how customize my phone....Farsquidge, if I change my tilt interface to the TyTn11 interface I will lose my 3g? Also what is the benefit of changing? Also, I met alot of people who told me of good apps for my phone but is there a site where I can go where there is alot of apps with discriptions of what they do?
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If you re-flash your 'Tilt' (as it is an AT&T carrier device) you will lose your AT&T connection settings.
You will end up with a 'Carrier free' device with (or) without sim unlock depending on the way you do it. You will then have to re-install these with a 'Network profile app' from this forum. You will find plenty of apps (in the form of .cab files) on here to keep you happy for ages!
Be patient because there are tons of guys on this forum who have reflashed their devices that will add their input to help you. No one is online all the time but will get to you when they can.

Thanks. The more I look on different forums, the more confused I get. I'm not to phone/computer savy so I have to do some research on the simple words and terms used up here. Thanks alot.

It takes a long time to get up to speed, I'm not close yet. Personally, I don't have a problem with the ATT rom, I guess b/c I haven't seen a flashed one to compare it to. I've added a bunch of fun/useful programs from this site, FFF and IMSMS are great ones and all the home customizations are very cool. The other day, I was beaming IMSMS to a friend. A stranger passing says "oh are we showing off our phones?" and yanks out his iphone hoping we'd be impressed. I said, "nope just beaming a file, do you want it too? Oops, guess you can't do that" You could see him deflate immediately. The iphone is neat to look at, but is so lacking in features and customization it's sad.

DO we need a SUBforum "Wing Mobile 6"

Hi there,
do we need a subforum for Wingusers only??
If so i would ask to create a new subforum...
Please vote for 1 week after that time I will delete this thread again....
Thanks
Daniel

it would be nice to have a area for wing specific threads, gets kinda confusing for what works with the wing and what doesnt

I remember as a newb it took me quite a while before I figured out that herald=atlas=wing and a subforum I think would help everybody out.

yess. took me so long to figure out its the same phone lol..
dam temobile and there renaming

I'd like to see a tmobile wing specific sub-forum as well.

Great idea. Being a newbie, it took me a while to get piece everything together....When I started out, I was on the other Wing forum and it took a while for me to figure out the whole Herald/P4350 thing...

pffft. No. There's not that much Wing-specific WM6 content here. It would be a waste and it would also look really empty...

papamopps said:
Hi there,
do we need a subforum for Wingusers only??
If so i would ask to create a new subforum...
Please vote for 1 week after that time I will delete this thread again....
Thanks
Daniel
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I think that it would be helpful for new folks getting started.

I voted yes, but since david made the cab to fix keyboard for wing users Im not gonna cook wing specific roms. And all my roms will be posted in Herald wm6

I have voted no. My reasoning is that the most notable difference between the two devices are minimal (the keyboard mapping) which has basically been resolved by David Duprat. Although it may be a bit more organized, I think it would be a waste since the majority of the questions are not device specific. I would hate to have to jump between forums looking for an answer that could apply to all herald like devices.
But hell I'm flexible.

hidavi said:
pffft. No. There's not that much Wing-specific WM6 content here. It would be a waste and it would also look really empty...
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Ditto.......we've obviously all found it, why do we need a new forum with duplicate info?
I think if any we should ad another section under Herald (and possibly for other devices as well) that is dedicated to new roms and kitchens. This would clean up the existing forums quite a bit.

JNasty said:
I have voted no. My reasoning is that the most notable difference between the two devices are minimal (the keyboard mapping) which has basically been resolved by David Duprat. Although it may be a bit more organized, I think it would be a waste since the majority of the questions are not device specific. I would hate to have to jump between forums looking for an answer that could apply to all herald like devices.
But hell I'm flexible.
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Agreed. There's no real reason. It's just going to slow down the production of new ideas since they'll be divided between two camps. It's the same device minus the keyboard driver.

ivanmmj said:
Agreed. There's no real reason. It's just going to slow down the production of new ideas since they'll be divided between two camps. It's the same device minus the keyboard driver.
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The more I think about it, the more I want to take my vote back. Add one more to no and subtract from yes.

I voted Yes, just for the sake of clarity, and organized structure.
And it spares us many questions like : ''Will this work on my Wing/Herald?" wich,
even with David Duprat's solution wil be asked several times more.
Although the Herald Mobile 6 forum is already full of mixed stuff, it doesn't really matter that much.
still I think it's better

The Dutchman said:
And it spares us many questions like : ''Will this work on my Wing/Herald?" wich,
even with David Duprat's solution wil be asked several times more.
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It works on both. The keyboard might not match, though...
But if they don't read the heading or the post that talks about it being a herald or wing item, why would they read the forum name? j/k

Personally, I think it would be ridiculous to open a new forum... Sure, it might make things "more organized" ... but its also going to be a pain in the ass... and besides the ROM, what other DEVICE SPECIFIC questions arise? NONE what so ever.
So you're going to split everyone and basically the only thing that's going to be happening in the new forum is a topic for Ivan's roms and a topic for ttran's roms...
I say keep it together, it makes more sense. I don't want to have to jump around yet another forum when the devices are the same, except for the keyboard problem, which has a solution now.

the only pro for me is - that noobs can find things more easyly.....
and at the moment 75% say yes (nearly 50 votes)

take it from a noob, it took me close to 2 weeks b4 i learned the herald was the wing p3 whatever it is... lol
im still totaly confused by all this
maybe instead of a new form just add WING to the title page
"Also known as: HTC P4350" is what it says
make it say
"Also known as: HTC P4350 / T-Mobile Wing"
maybe a well layed out sticky thred,
explaining the differances of each model of this phone
i run a few forusm myself and keeping things streamlined is a pain.
but this is a tricky one...

I agree with nyitalian718. Just rename the forum to Herald/Wing.
We'll be the only forum to have a non-HTC codename. hehe

I'm going with nyitalian718 and ivanmmj's opinion of adding all the known names of the Herald/Wing to the list just like in any other sub-forum.
It's not too much ask if a noob has to read some pages/stickies. All of us started like this and gain their knowledge.
At the end every major topic/problem has been dicussed at least once.
And the last thing I would recommend a new PDA owner is to void the warranty by flashing his device.
He should first get familiar with his PDA and then read the infos on this forum.
Papamopps and the core members of the Herald/Wing community did a great job on writing guides and tutorials on...let's say on everything

ALL AT&T Tilt Owners Have Been Left Behind

The AT&T Tilt did not recievve a ROM update today. This means no accelerated graphics for us and no WM 6.1. Thank you HTC and AT&T you have all been a big help.

bubbleking2 said:
The AT&T Tilt did not recievve a ROM update today. This means no accelerated graphics for us and no WM 6.1. Thank you HTC and AT&T you have all been a big help.
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Old news ! Not nice to start a " new " thread for something we had not expected anyway.

Yeah, I know its old news. But even so, a large amount of people do not know this, so its still worth posting.

Do you realize what board you're on? Don't generalize, you have been left behind, not me. I've been running WM6.1 on my Tilt since the winter when it first leaked and have been running the lasted build since Monday.

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Yeah, I know its old news. But even so, a large amount of people do not know this, so its still worth posting.
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Everyone here knows this and it is not worth posting as you will find out.

No, I have browsed through some threads and it seemed that a decent amount of people had not realized that only the HTC-Branded devices had recieved the update.

People who read stuff already knew for like a month that the update would probably be only for HTC branded devices, I guess you don't.
Anyways, it doesn't mean there won't be official updates for you, just that your company, whichever it is, will have to customize things first before releasing a rom, especially adding all their bloatware.
Oh, and about accelerated graphics, please, noone got them, it's not that you're a special target.

I know that there were some "fixes" but no drivers, and it has been said that ATT users will get it, just when they get ready to release it after adding all their crap.

Christ people, u're becoming like NASIOC... a lil less flame, a lil more helpfullhess.
/rant

DarkDvr said:
Christ people, u're becoming like NASIOC... a lil less flame, a lil more helpfullhess.
/rant
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I am here to help , what was the question ? I just heard a rant that the mods have said ( continually ) is not appropriate for these forums. If you read the official announcement from HTC when they announced the TYtN upgrade, they said that they had no plans to release an upgrade fer the Tilt in the near future. Why is this rant important to this forum?

What are you talking about denco? This is not even a rant, it is a statement. I did not mean for it to be a rant and I did not mean for people to mistake it as one. I merely meant to inform people that only the branded HTC devices got the update. It appeared as though alot of people had not realized this, or, at least enough for me to post. I can even show you some quotes if you need me too.
Denco, please look up the definition of 'rant'.

htc rom
Just talked to HTC. There is no 6.1 rom from them for the HTC phones (mine is the TYTN II) available anywhere on the globe.

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... I merely meant to inform people that only the branded HTC devices got the update...
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I am not trying to entice the argument here, but i will add couple of things:
a) Most of the "regular" members here at xda already know that the tilt or any other branded version of the tytnII will not be getting the updates. (emphasis on regular).
b) none of the xda members really care about official updates as we have very gifted and talented chefs here that can port roms for us (and we are truly greatful for that) and seeing that the only diffrence between the TytnII and tilt is the front camera that shouldn't be a big deal.
c) drivers (which there aren't none) can also be ported. There are chefs already working on porting the diamond drivers over to tilt which runs vga.
Having said that i would like to thank you for the info ... but unfortunately its old news and no one likes repeatedly hearing old news.

bubbleking2 said:
The AT&T Tilt did not recievve a ROM update today. This means no accelerated graphics for us and no WM 6.1. Thank you HTC and AT&T you have all been a big help.
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Did you try hitting the download link at the bottom of this link -
http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=67&act=sd
? (Posted by jdmba)
Welcome to the ROM update for the AT&T Tilt. Please review the following prior to downloading and installing the latest ROM update (version 1.62.502.0) on your device.
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I very nearly downloaded this one by mistake. I registered with htc but my phone S/N is not a real HTC device and was still logged in, but I managed to (mistakenly) download the file from that link without much issue.
That help?

That's still only 6.0..

ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!!1111one
Those bastards! Oh wait. I'm not worse off than I was before. Even If I didn't have XDA to feed my obsession for ROM flashing.

DarkDvr said:
Christ people, u're becoming like NASIOC... a lil less flame, a lil more helpfullhess.
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um what is there to help with? It doesn't seem like the OP had a question or required help in any way. He came on and made an ignorant statement.

leon sprouse said:
Just talked to HTC. There is no 6.1 rom from them for the HTC phones (mine is the TYTN II) available anywhere on the globe.
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I don't know who you spoke with but they were wrong; I just ran the HTC RUU (Rom Upgrade Utility) from the HTC e-club web site and the splash screen clearly states Windows Mobile 6.1. I have an HTC TYTN II and it works great.

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Christ people, u're becoming like NASIOC... a lil less flame, a lil more helpfullhess.
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LOL, nice call on NASIOC...as well as EvoM

The thing that puzzles me about this is the way the AT&T Tilt gets singled out as if it's special - in reality it's just one dozens of rebranded Kaisers around the globe, none of which have had an official update. I have a "Vodafone V1615", am I whining about where to download a Vodafone update for my Vodafone V1615? No, of course not, with the help of this forum it's been running the original HTC rom since October, and upgraded to the HTC 6.1 update a couple of days ago (before it was released by HTC in fact). So what's the problem?
The irony is the AT&T Tilt is (I believe) the only variant to have it's own section of the HTC website, and to actually have already had a rom upgrade back in February, albeit 6.0 only. Where are all the complaints about that from owners of the V1615, or the T-Mobile Vario 3, or the Orange Tytn II, or O2 XDA Stellar, or the "3" Tytn II, etc etc..?

New to the wing.

Hey guys. New to the message board and new to my Wing.
I just picked one up off of eBay and I'm really impressed with it thus far. But I'm wondering if you guys can point in me in the right direction for programs/apps I should have. I found this star wars screen saver, but I'm not sure if I move it over to my phone and install or what...
Thanks for any help guys.

You got a "Wing" or "Wings" they are different, one is the S730 (this forum) one is the T-Mobile Wing (wrong forum)
There's a lot of apps out there, what type are you looking for?

10332007 said:
You got a "Wing" or "Wings" they are different, one is the S730 (this forum) one is the T-Mobile Wing (wrong forum)
There's a lot of apps out there, what type are you looking for?
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Hah I've got the wrong forum then Yeah, I've got the T-Mobile wing.
Maybe a mod can move this to the right place?
I'm not really sure what I'm looking for in the way of apps. I did some googling, and some of the things I saw required a purchase, am I looking in the wrong places or do they cost money?

It depends on the app really, Google maps is free, and you can find some other free media players (TCPMP) is a good one, however I ended up paying for their new version (Coreplayer) for added support.

What's up with the ROMS???

I don't know if ya'll noticed.
But the hard SPL for the blackstone had been released.
BANG + 20 roms released aswell.
Why isn't this happening for the Xperia?
We only have 2 good ROM builders....
I'm downloading the Xperia Citchen of Itje,
and going to try to get my old Rom coocking skills back.
I would love the see many roms for the Xperia.
Cmon, who wouldn't ???
Could some of the Rom coockers make a tutorial for the public.
So more ppl get involved into Rom coocking!!!!
Thx.

Xperia cooks
well go buy them a phone....im sure they will cook you one then

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well go buy them a phone....im sure they will cook you one then
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HAHAHA duh. But now back on topic

A tutorial would be a help, i've downloaed kovsky package, but as its my first time playing with a windows mobile, I have a lot to learn

I agree with you, the xperia has really very few support from cookers here.
i noticed that weeks ago, there are only one or two rooms released for x1 thought the hard spl was released long time ago.
I hope we will see more cookers on x1 section soon.

perhaps sony pay them for not releasing roms =)

I'm sure we'll see more I'm sure when the X1a is widely available in the US. And then in three years when its availble in Canada

we dont exactly have a lot of base roms to work with
so if we were suddenly inundated with new cooked roms then theyd only be based on the same couple of core os revisions.

I am also an owner of a SE X1 and I am trying to learn to cook my own Rom.
I have read on the forum as also the Wiki of XDA for 3 weeks and I read so many treats about:
• flashing my X1.
• creating my own packages.
• cooking different kind of roms with several kind of packages.
• and now im trying to build my own ROM with my own splash screen and
with a lighter version of WM6.1.
I'm learning quite fast. But sad enough there itn´t a Master tutorial for doing al this. After all this i want to build my own Panel. I don't know if
that can be customised. but I give it a try.
I wanna thank you all for all the online Tutorials.
I´m also going to try youtube for some Videos about "Cooking you own Rom"
Greetz PeteyB

Please cook ROMS
I know that X1 is not favorite as DIAMOND,
but please for god sake cook some ROMS.
Thank You Very Much
CHEERS !!!

fards said:
we dont exactly have a lot of base roms to work with
so if we were suddenly inundated with new cooked roms then theyd only be based on the same couple of core os revisions.
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Courier advice to me says my X1 (supposedly "a") may be delivered today or tomorrow, so I was looking forward to playing. Too close to Xmas family-time for very much of that, however.
There is JL's basic 1.04 ROM. Full extraction of this nbh file allows you to add/subtract what you want. As I understand it, the XIP section is device-independent, so newer XIP's from any of the sub-forums are useful. OEM's are what SE has coded for this device and these are obviously limited. Additional CAB packages are there for the looking.
All up, an incentive to understand dsm, rgu, hv etc. This is not easy as there are only snippets of competing, conflicting and incomplete information available in the various sub-forum resources.
One thing I hope to post before Xmas is the accuracy of the 850Mhz UMTS availability in the X1a. If this proves accurate, extracting the radio ROM is my next step.

I think the reason why there are not many cooked rom because not a lot of cooker own the experia. And the X1a looks like an endanger species in NA so that's prob the reason why.

they key question is, will the x1a roms work on x1i cause of the one camera and fps recording diffrence.....

+1 for a tutorial on creating a simple, asumes only basic knowlage about the device rom cooking guide
there is alot of cool stuff in the wiki but it it does not have everything and it no organised properly. im still forced to read ridicouls amounts of irrelevent text in old threads
that would greatly help

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the XIP section is device-independent, so newer XIP's from any of the sub-forums are useful.
Yep I've built two roms based on ported xips for this now, one off the newest blackstone, and one off the raphael, but wasn't happy with either, I think I prefer building off the stock SEUS rom.
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they key question is, will the x1a roms work on x1i cause of the one camera and fps recording diffrence.....
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@xmoo
Two separate questions here:
1) x1a radio ROM's on X1i ? Obviously, that cannot yet be answered. Read my post, please - I will try to answer the question when the device finally arrives, maybe today or tomorrow, by extracting the radio and posting it here. Hassling will not make this happen any quicker, OK ?
2) crippled fps recording ? I'm afraid I couldn't care less. For me, a total irrelevancy

fatso485 said:
+1 for a tutorial on creating a simple, asumes only basic knowlage about the device rom cooking guide
there is alot of cool stuff in the wiki but it it does not have everything and it no organised properly. im still forced to read ridicouls amounts of irrelevent text in old threads
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@fatso485
Yes, of course, but I'm afraid that's not going to happen:
1) there are a variety of ways to deal with the rgu's, dsm's, initflashes, hv files etc. There seems to be no common agreement amongst the experienced cooks on how to do these necessary operations; certainly, there is no complete guide on this, just snippets of conflicting and incomplete advice ... and some of this is plain wrong
2) most cooks protect their ROM in any case, since donations are part of their income. There are some genuinely noble exceptions, such as M'Amine and cs_shekhar, but extracting their ROM's reveals very different methods of dealing with 1) above
Our best way forward is to examine those ROM's that we can extract fully and sort out a methodical path. At least, that's what I'm attempting.

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@xmoo
Two separate questions here:
1) x1a radio ROM's on X1i ? Obviously, that cannot yet be answered. Read my post, please - I will try to answer the question when the device finally arrives, maybe today or tomorrow, by extracting the radio and posting it here. Hassling will not make this happen any quicker, OK ?
2) crippled fps recording ? I'm afraid I couldn't care less. For me, a total irrelevancy
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Telstra here in Aus have just released the X1a and I picked mine up on Friday and loving it.
I'm happy to help dump the ROM/Radio if someone is willing to help me as I haven't done it before.
Let me know.
Dev

thedeva said:
Telstra here in Aus have just released the X1a and I picked mine up on Friday and loving it.
I'm happy to help dump the ROM/Radio if someone is willing to help me as I haven't done it before.
Let me know.
Dev
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That's good !! Mine is now not due till tomorrow.
But before you go attempting a dump (and I'll help you through that), the most critical question we have is this:
1) since you bought it from Telstra, I'm assuming you have a Telstra SIM capable of 3G. (If not, end of story).
If this assumption is correct, the question becomes "which area or region are you in ?" This is most important for the next step, because if you are in a city-type area (Sydney, Melbourne etc), your 3G will automatically connect to the UMTS 2100Mhz band that Telstra uses in these areas.
Since the X1i also does this, it will tell us nothing new.
If you are in a regional area, your SIM will attempt to connect 3G on the UMTS 850Mhz band because the 2100Mhz band cannot penetrate the larger distances with its shorter wavelength. The Telstra 3G-enabled SIM card does this switch automatically. but if the hardware or firmware in the device cannot connect to the 850Mhz frequency, you will not be able to do 3G in a regional area.
So, which area are you in, please ? If regional, can you connect to 3G?

We should buy Dutty a X1... I had Diamond, Touch Pro and now X1. X1 has the best potential, but is lagging with the best cooks being in other devices.