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They have GPS receivers that work through the bottom cradle connection for IPAQs they also have other devieces like keyboards that work like this.
Would it be possible to develop a 80211 dongle that could click into the
cradle port? is anyone working on this? is there anyone that would have
enough knowledge to beging working on this i could contact. I would love to get 802.11 for this baby.
Dan said:
Would it be possible to develop a 80211 dongle that could click into the cradle port? is anyone working on this? is there anyone that would have enough knowledge to beging working on this i could contact. I would love to get 802.11 for this baby.
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No, sorry. The XDA connector on the bottom supports USB and serial. However, the USB will only do 'Slave Mode', i.e. act as a USB device towards a computer. There are USB 802.11 devices, but they work as devices as well, and thus need a 'Master' to talk to. And there's no serial 802.11b transceivers out that we know of.
You could conceiveably build a USB device that plays the master role and feeds the IP through just like ActiveSync does, but nobody has done that yet. For the manufacturers this shouldn't be that hard, given the amount of spare processing power on these 802.11 tranceivers. (And while we're at it, we might as well incorporate a GPS connected to the serial port...)
hmm
so this won't be something that a little hacking group such as XDA developers would be capable of?
Hi
In a short time a wireless lan card will be available which you can plug into you SD Slot. See http://www.sychip.com/wlan-module.html
See ya
Mick
Helllo.
I don´t think, that the wireless lan card will work in the XDA. In the technical PDF there is a picture that shows a SDIO-Interface.
XDA still do NOT have a SDIO-Interface.
Regards
Stefan
hold on, why do u need a wireless lan card? I thought the xda was a wireless device, surely it ought to have wireless connectivity built into it? If you had a corporate wireless network, cant it just be configured to connect?
Of course it has wireless support, using GSM and/or GPRS and infrared. But WLAN support is something entirely different, and that is definitely not included.
Shouldn't be too hard to design a WLAN adapter acting as an USB master though. With the pass-through functionality built into the activesync software it has definitely been shown that the USB connection can be used for network access.
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Shouldn't be too hard to design a WLAN adapter acting as an USB master though. With the pass-through functionality built into the activesync software it has definitely been shown that the USB connection can be used for network access.
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Yo bamse,
Ever want to be very, very popular ? You would make hero of the month on our charts, that's for sure...
What about these guys:
http://www.datahunter.com
I know it's RS232 and not USB, but apart from that the Liberator should do the trick almost straight away, and they also advertise a module that could be built into a sleaker package:
OEM 802.11 WLAN Mini-Modules
OEM and ODM manufacturers can incorporate FCC ?Modular? pre-certified 802.11b mini-modules into their products. The Data Hunter 802.11 mini-modules have the Operating System Wireless LAN software drivers built-in. Interface options are the ones Engineers need, including high-speed async logic-level or RS232, SPI processor interface, USB and full Ethernet TCP/IP. No additional FCC certification required for the modular 802.11 data radios. Start shipping integrated WLAN immediately. Includes single antenna for bulkhead mount or dual diversity antennas
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What about these guys [...]
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I could be wrong, but from their site I get the strong impression none of it is done, and they'll start work on it the minute someone orders a few thousand.
Also: they base everything on the Compact Flash 802.11 cards with some extra hardware, which is unlikely to pretend it's a PC running ActiveSync straight out of the box, so some extra work is in order.
What we need is a CF 802.11 card that comes with an SDK for adding your own code. No need for extra parts and power consumption: the card should have enough spare cycles to pretend it's ActiveSync on Windows plus the USB. (Or serial at 115.200 if that's somehow easier). Then all we need after the two manmonths of coding is a nice plastic stick-one case and we're done...
Ok, how about this then:
http://www.tuanistechnology.com/products/avaya/converter/
Or this:
http://www.autodnc.de/ctwlani.htm
You'll find a whole bunch of them out there, all serial and 115200bps, but none of the companies seem to have identified the PDA-owners a market for their produkts.
I'd say most of these products use way to much power for PDA use.
Really, let's not build stuff that's already on the PC or CF card to begin with.
Anyone found a way to access 802.11b yet? I see that Linksys has the WCF12 (The Wireless CompactFlash Card installs directly into your Pocket PC using a CompactFlash Type I or Type II slot). I think that fits the IPaq. I need one for the SX56.
I saw some creative ideas above. Anybody try matching the pin-outs yet??
:roll: Sigh. Read my lips. It won't work. It's not a matter of "pin-outs." It's far, far deeper than that on both hardware and software.
And really, would you want to access an ethernet network at 115k??? What for?
LumpiStefan said:
Helllo.
I don´t think, that the wireless lan card will work in the XDA. In the technical PDF there is a picture that shows a SDIO-Interface.
XDA still do NOT have a SDIO-Interface.
Regards
Stefan
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While I doubt that anyone will, it ought to be a small task to design a Bluetooth interface that will work with SDIO or SD either as a polled device or memory mapped I/O. For Bluetooth this should produce acceptable results --- for 802.11b clearly it would not.
It won't work. It's not a matter of "pin-outs." It's far, far deeper than that on both hardware and software.
And really, would you want to access an ethernet network at 115k??? What for?
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It certainly seems doable. What is the limitation on the SX56 that does not exist on iPaq? And since I struggled through years and years of 36K dialup before DSL, for the limited data access needed for a PDA, 115K seems like heaven. Noone is going to treat it like a workstation. But access to remote data has a wide range of applications.
The iPaq has an expansion port, the XDA does not.
Carlos:
If you have a quick look at one of the links I have provided above you should find that there are a couple of solutions available for anyone who would like to connect a 802.11 device to a serial port. They may be a little bulky and power hungry, but that can surely be taken care of.
There will be 256MB SDIO card with built-in 801.11, right? What about a 256MB SDRW card with built-in SDIO and USB-host? With the USB/serial/power/peripheral connector of the Qtek sitting next to the SD-slot you could easily build a device that connects to both "ports". Wouldn't it be nice?
wi-fi stuffs for Qtek
Hi Bamse,
Could you tell me what exactly that I would need to purchased
to have my Qtek works with wi-fi? Thank you.
None of it exists today. Everything posted so far is theoretical. It will never exist. There's no market for it.
I'm looking to understand what options exist for tethering the NC to a phone for data. I believe the only method currently supported is by creating an ad-hoc wifi network using software on the phone, and joining this network from the NC.
I have a Blackberry 9700, which cannot be setup as a wifi hotspot. With the release of CM7 build 17, it sounds like Bluetooth works (with limited range). My phone supports Bluetooth tethering because I've set it up with my Windows 7 laptop. I'm curious to find out whether this will be possible with the NC as well.. if not, what other options are there for getting online with my NC (besides having to purchase a phone that has hotspot capability). I used to use PDANet with a Palm Treo back in the day.. I'm also not opposed to physical cable-tethering if this is a possibility.
Thanks in advance.
I would like to know this as well. My Evo is not rooted and I'd like to keep it that way for now, so my only options are PDAnet via physical cable and bluetooth (which I can utilize on CM7 but it breaks wifi) or Easytether (physical).
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I would like to know this as well. My Evo is not rooted and I'd like to keep it that way for now, so my only options are PDAnet via physical cable and bluetooth (which I can utilize on CM7 but it breaks wifi) or Easytether (physical).
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So are you confirming that you've got Bluetooth tethering working with your phone using CM7? Does the build break wifi permanently, or is it only during BT tethering?
Haven't tried it yet but now that you mention it.. I'm going to try it!
Excellent, can't wait to hear the results..
Will pair, won't connect
Well, that takes that option out of the running. I really prefer a physical connection though, and so far, I haven't seen any micro-micro (assuming this is because of power requirements anyway).
Even with the phone right next to the NC? That's disappointing.. by micro-micro, are you referring to the type of USB cable needed? I don't have the device yet, so I'm not sure what kind of connections it has available. Tethering over BT is the last feature I'm waiting for before pulling the trigger on this bad boy. I plan to use it as a removable CarPC (using my phone for data and an external Bluetooth receiver for GPS).
Yup right next to it. Now, I've seen some guys report that GPS works though via bluetooth and I plan on trying that next (need to charge my BT receiver.. hope the battery still works!). They said you needed a GPS app to fix your location though.
As for micro-micro, yep USB. But then we would probably need a client side app to be able to recognize that kind of connection.
And wifi seems broken with BT ENABLED (not on, just enabled).. going to revert.
Thanks for doing all that testing. Let me know how the pairing goes with your GPS receiver.. if you get that working, you would need GPS software that has all of the maps built-in (since Google Maps, etc, requires a data connection).
My primary use for the NC will be as a car PC, so the only thing holding me back is the Bluetooth tethering with my Blackberry (uses the Dial-Up Networking feature set).
I've been hoping to BT DUN working for my BB 9700 also. At the moment it appears that ppp needs to be enabled in the kernel for this to work. When I run pppd from the comand line it complains about ppp missing from the kernel.
It looks like the pppd program is being compiled with the CM7 build and that the ppp modules can be found in the kernel sources so there is hope. We could ask to have it added as a dynamic module but I not sure how to go about making the request. (I am a noob to the forums and not allowed post in Dev and there may be a another way to make requested that is preferred in any case. )
I also found this program that claims to set up a BT DUN connection via ppp and it does run without faulting on my NC:
android.gval.biz
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I found a post in the developers forum where someone asked how to do the same thing. The link in the response discusses how to get Bluetooth GPS and WiFi tethering to work, but it does not mention Bluetooth tethering to a phone. Unfortunately, I don't have enough posts under my name to respond to that thread, but I've subscribed to it in the hopes that someone else will point it out..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12282264&postcount=281
Same same same same.
Unrooted Evo and although I am having fun with all the great things we can do to our NC's I am really not ready to root my Evo just yet. Having that phone with me is the only reason I am able to walk away from my keyboard at all and just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I run Fedora on my laptop and can tether to my Evo using Azilink and USB cable without a problem but if I wanted to drag my lappie everywhere then the NC wouldn't be any fun atall!
Weird is when we can pair the Evo and the NC via Bluetooth (yes a few inches apart right now) but neither one wants to do the actual connection. The message pops up on both Evo and NC asking to acknowledge the "secret" code and what else to do but say yes to them both. Then they both try and fail to connect.
I guess there is a fix for AdHoc on CM7 but I am not sure how to get the unrooted Evo to create an AdHoc network for the NC to connect to. If anyone has that answer can you let us know? I will keep searching as well.
Deirdre
First before people ask...no I can't get a decent ISP in my new apartment complex. They have a "deal" with some horrible small-time cable company that I've never heard of, and all the neighbors hate it. On top of that I have talked my work into paying for the account I plan on using for this since it's "required" so that I can work from home as needed.
That being said, I've done some initial speed tests at my new place and I get a consistent 11Mbps/3Mbps over Sprint's 4G/WiMAX, which is more than enough for my needs. I know that will fluctuate, but even so I'm excited about this project!
So sure I could just dump WiFi Tether on a rooted NS4G and leave it be, but I want to try taking it to the next level. What I'm thinking is a full-time router, much like a pfSense/SmoothWall/Vyatta distro, using the WiMAX (And 3G as a backup) for the WAN and the WiFi for the network connectivity. Unless I can figure out a better solution I would probably use a WRT54GL with dd-wrt to act as the wireless bridge for my wired clients.
It'll always be plugged into power, so battery isn't an issue (But a nice bonus for when the power does go out). I would like to have an always running bandwidth monitoring screen that I can just glance at. Of course there would be remote monitoring/configuration, as well as some built-in "apps".
I know this is a big task to take on, but I need something to focus on in regards to getting into the development side of things and I think this would be a great place to start. However I've got some questions that I think ya'll could help me figure out:
1 - What should I do for providing services like DHCP, DNS, Port Forwarding, NAT, etc? I know it would require some heavy lifting but I could cross-compile standard linux based apps like dhcpd right?
Or does anyone know of that perfect app that might help me get a head start? I don't mind using different apps/services and then focusing on making them all work together, but if there is a "simple" solution already that would be fine by me!
2 - Since it's not going to be a multimedia demon, is there a particular light-weight, almost console-only ROM that might serve to be the best base to build from? I would think something that is more geared towards running desktop-based applications versus the standard apps.
3 - WiMAX needs to work of course, how would that play into it?
4 - Is that anything that might allow me to plugin a standard ethernet cable? I don't think I've seen a mini-usb to ethernet yet...do they have a mini-usb to regular usb at least?
I know these are very basic questions, but I just want to get a pulse on if this is just an unobtainable idea or not. I don't think it is, it's basically a different way of getting to a MiFi. Also if anyone knows of anyone elses past attempts at this I would love to know where I can read up on it in. Thanx in advance!!!
My phone overheats if it tethers for hours upon hours. Gets kind of annoying. I suggest you buy a external charger and another battery so you don't have to play " let the battery cool down" game.
I had the same issue on my other 2 smartphones while tethering (Samsung instinct with ported 1.6. And optimus s)
I would say try finding a loophole or move. Slow internet is a whore. I use hot sport off my phone to my ps3. And I can only play from 11pm-6am lag-free.
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Are you oc'ed or something I tether my phone for hours a day and havent had it over heat except for when I was oc'ed above 1.2ghz.
There are a few issues with this.
1.Restrictive firewalling policies on the ISP side. Blocked ports/ throttling.
2.Added latency from wireless > wireless bridge. With wireless you will need to tether to a wireless bridge with ethernet ports for your computers. wrt54g and the like with dd-wrt work fine for this. A linux computer with a wireless card would also work. Tethering with USB to a linux computer that you can edit the iptables rules would be best.
3.Double NAT. This is something you must avoid to have a proper connection. With wireless your tethering program is going to use NAT, but then your bridge will probably also use NAT. This will leave you with a very convoluted connection. Tethering with USB would probably also be best here. In the past when I have used USB tethering (motor razr) the host PC gets assigned the true WAN address of the phone via a virtual adapter. Thus this would only require setting up NAT/ iptables once on the host PC.
My suggestion would be to exchange the phone/plan for a 3g/4g data card that works with GNU/Linux and setup NAT that way of course along with an ethernet switch. Good luck with it.
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There are a few issues with this.
1.Restrictive firewalling policies on the ISP side. Blocked ports/ throttling.
2.Added latency from wireless > wireless bridge. With wireless you will need to tether to a wireless bridge with ethernet ports for your computers. wrt54g and the like with dd-wrt work fine for this. A linux computer with a wireless card would also work. Tethering with USB to a linux computer that you can edit the iptables rules would be best.
3.Double NAT. This is something you must avoid to have a proper connection. With wireless your tethering program is going to use NAT, but then your bridge will probably also use NAT. This will leave you with a very convoluted connection. Tethering with USB would probably also be best here. In the past when I have used USB tethering (motor razr) the host PC gets assigned the true WAN address of the phone via a virtual adapter. Thus this would only require setting up NAT/ iptables once on the host PC.
My suggestion would be to exchange the phone/plan for a 3g/4g data card that works with GNU/Linux and setup NAT that way of course along with an ethernet switch. Good luck with it.
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But he would then be giving up unlimited data as a result of leaving the phone plans.
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I recently got a lumia 822 and would like to use it as a USB connected http proxy. I don't want a full network connection or wifi based solution as I need to keep my computer connected to the existing network but would like to be able to tell Firefox to connect to the Internet via a proxy so web traffic if passed through the phone thus avoiding the internal web monitoring.
I do this via proxoid on my android phone and it works perfect. If there a comparable solution for windows phone 8?
Thanks
The only solution available is TetherX. Its available in the Windows Phone Store. It works via WiFi that's hosted from a laptop and only WebPages work. The only device at this time that supports USB tethering is the Samsung ATIV, using Diagnosis.
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That's... not really USB tethering in the usual sense at all (which does exist, at least for the Samsung WP8 phones) but it might be possible. I don't know if anybody has written a proxy server app for the phone yet, but it's a pretty clever thing to do, now that I think about it. The SDK should support it; we can do server sockets just fine. Doing it over USB would be tricky - the phone can do Ethernet over USB, but it's not part of the official SDK - but it might be possible. Setting it up as a WiFi proxy (with some security, ideally...) shouldn't be too hard.
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That's... not really USB tethering in the usual sense at all (which does exist, at least for the Samsung WP8 phones) but it might be possible. I don't know if anybody has written a proxy server app for the phone yet, but it's a pretty clever thing to do, now that I think about it. The SDK should support it; we can do server sockets just fine. Doing it over USB would be tricky - the phone can do Ethernet over USB, but it's not part of the official SDK - but it might be possible. Setting it up as a WiFi proxy (with some security, ideally...) shouldn't be too hard.
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Yeah, calling it a tether is not exactly right but I wasn't really sure what to call it. The issue with having it as a wifi spot is that it would be visible. The real reason I was looking for something like this is work has pretty draconian monitoring software. I haven't gotten the phone yet but once I do I may try to look into how the computer sees it when plugged into USB. If the phone can be exposed as an ip (127.0.0.1) via USB then it would seem possible to write an app to open a port and pass the traffic back and forth.
Thank you though.
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Yeah, calling it a tether is not exactly right but I wasn't really sure what to call it. The issue with having it as a wifi spot is that it would be visible. The real reason I was looking for something like this is work has pretty draconian monitoring software. I haven't gotten the phone yet but once I do I may try to look into how the computer sees it when plugged into USB. If the phone can be exposed as an ip (127.0.0.1) via USB then it would seem possible to write an app to open a port and pass the traffic back and forth.
Thank you though.
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First, I don't have the phone yet so all of these ideas are just wild speculation but at quick glance the program ipoverusbenum may help in a USB proxy solution. without a way to do this, I'm stuck with my old android device.
Hey everyone, long time reader, first time question.
I am dealing with a 23in. android monitor, really its just a large tablet with a visa mount and desktop base.
Android version 6.0.1 Kernel version 3.10.0 Perfect display out of China is the supposed manufacture, their model number is IP240WE.
I am attempting to hard wire an IP camera direct to the rj45 port much the same way I can to any pc, assign some quick ip info and achieve a live view from the camera utilizing pc software, but in this case, use the mobile software.
The trouble I am running into is that when the "monitor" is not connected to any modem or router, the darn thing wont give any network info to base my camera addressing off of. I can enable the wifi connection, then use the ipconfig tool and see all sorts of network info, still wont allow a direct connection to the camera using the hard wire rj45 port. As I understand things, android devices are new to getting the hardwired capability, that's all fine and stuff, but how the heck to turn on the darn rj45 nic without connecting it to a managed network device???
The long and the short of this, I am asking this tablet, er, monitor.... to act like a pc when it is not connected to a managed network and have the nic active and assigning info, even if is just an ip and subnet mask. Networking things is not the issue, turning on the freaking nic is!!!!