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I've had an O2 XDAIIi version of this PDA phone since it was released, and very nice it is too. However, it's starting to get a bit tatty, but I believe this model is no longer available. My question is; what's the best replacement for it?
Basically, I'd want something that does exactly the same, but with WM5, VGA and a better camera. I don't want the bulk of a keyword, so I'm not interested in the O2 Exec.
Is there anything out there that meets this criteria? The stumbling block seems to be VGA, as not many devices seem to use this.
Anyone know of such a beast?
Lee
you may struggle there mate, least I haven't seen one yet. if you want a practically sized phone then you may have to opt for a lower-resolution screen (particularly since the exec is the only vga wm5 handset I know of) this it was exactly the choice I made when I sold my exec to get a vario II. As it happens I don't really notice the difference any more: as with any phone you have to weigh up its pros and cons.
Ask yourself what you actually use your phone for, and how important having a vga screen really is for your needs. You may end up just sticking with what you've got!
You could also look on ebay - you MAY find and xda ii in mint condition there.
The stumbling block isn't just the VGA screen either Lee - unfortunately cameras on xdas ALL suck! the 2mp camera on my vario 2 is equally as rubbish as the 1.3 mp cam on my exec, my vario 1 and my mda compact. they're just no good. I wish I could take the camera out of a sonyericsson and whack it in the case of my vario!
The day a perfect phone comes out I'm sure we'll all rush out and buy it, other than that the only alternative would be to get one of the new sonyericssons - they have better screens and the latest ones have stunning cameras....but they use (ahem) symbian.
Hope this is of some use.
you may struggle there mate, least I haven't seen one yet. if you want a practically sized phone then you may have to opt for a lower-resolution screen (particularly since the exec is the only vga wm5 handset I know of) this it was exactly the choice I made when I sold my exec to get a vario II. As it happens I don't really notice the difference any more: as with any phone you have to weigh up its pros and cons.
Ask yourself what you actually use your phone for, and how important having a vga screen really is for your needs. You may end up just sticking with what you've got!
You could also look on ebay - you MAY find and xda ii in mint condition there.
The stumbling block isn't just the VGA screen either Lee - unfortunately cameras on xdas ALL suck! the 2mp camera on my vario 2 is equally as rubbish as the 1.3 mp cam on my exec, my vario 1 and my mda compact. they're just no good. I wish I could take the camera out of a sonyericsson and whack it in the case of my vario!
The day a perfect phone comes out I'm sure we'll all rush out and buy it, other than that the only alternative would be to get one of the new sonyericssons - they have better screens and the latest ones have stunning cameras....but they use (ahem) symbian.
Hope this is of some use.
Thanks...
Thanks the the feedback, that was kinda what I expected. It seems that HTC keep bringing out new models with various permutations of features, but never all the features that you want in one machine!
VGA would be nice for web-browsing, which is very frustrating at 320x240. Oh well, jusy have to wait until someone releases that dream machine!
Lee.
just further to the previous point I made, I thought I ought to point out that I have found web browsing on the vario II to be absolutely superb - I do all of my posts on xda developers using it, its nippy, connects phenominally quick, and the scroll-wheel is an absolute joy to use. it might seem a simple thing, but it makes browsing so much more comfy - I hardly need to get the stylus out!
I'm sat on a train right now from birmingham to derby and I haven't lost my signal once - on my exec I was constantly losing signal; and despite the exec having a better screen it is far easier to flick through web pages with the varios scroller, and pages even load up quicker.
Despite its smaller screen I would HIGHLY recommend it.
(sadly the camera is still poo, so it's not all good news!)
I'm happy with my Vario 2 (Hermes) as it does 3G (which is brill ) and has a hardware keyboard (yesssssss), but compared to my Alpine the screen is a lot smaller. That's a disappointment, but I knew it was going to be smaller. The fact that it runs WM5 kinda makes up for it though, and the fact that my Alpine can't actually connect to my Alcatel Speedtouch DSL router is ridiculous! (It's not the first time that problem's happened, seems to be a real problem with either the radio hardware or the firmware... I dunno. The Hermes connects fine to everything).
As it stands, I'm gonna keep my Alpine and use it for GPS navigation (when I get a new car, thanks to the woman who drove into me and wrote my car off I don't have one at the moment), and I might just end up using it as my day-to-day PDA, especially as my Hermes at the moment refuses to ActiveSync with my PC. Windows reinstall coming this weekend, we'll see how that goes.
The camera on my Hermes is WAYYYYY better than on my Alpine though (it's not as good as on the K750i/K800i/Cybershot models by SonyEricsson, those cameras blow everything else out of the water!) but I've taken a few pics and put them on my moblog (http://moblog.christopherwoods.co.uk if you want to compare image quality, I think they're just fine considering the camera size), and combined with the 3G (and unlimited 3G / GPRS access on my T-Mobile tariff) it's great for moblogging and websurfing to kill time / procrastinate, but my Alpine is slimmer and has a larger screen... The Alpine was allllllllmost perfect, I was almost ready to keep it as my phone for another year, but there were just enough things not quite up to par with it to make me go out and get a new device.
I do love the extra hardware buttons on the Hermes, and the scroll wheel is pretty cool. Don't use it as much as I should do, the same with the soft keys - I always end up tapping the screen when I can just push the button! Force of habit, can't teach an old dog new tricks.
I think the screen size is definitely important, but from experience i would NEVER buy another phone with a VGA screen - at least not until they start making much better batteries.
The biggest killer of batteries is those big pretty screens, and if a handset is gonna cut it as a phone and a practical browsing device/organiser it needs to hold out in the power department, since we're not always next to a power point, and we haven't always got our mains adaptor with us!
I don't really notice the screen difference on my Vario II now, and the battery lasts ages.
Be nice if i could get a spare battery with a cradle on ebay though, always good to have backup, however i haven't seen one yet.
Roll on charge-via-GPRS (use the power in the radio waves and convert it into electrical energy.... mmm... batteryless devices... drool)
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Toshiba+Portege+G900&search=
http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_g900-1905.php
are there any other Windows Mobile with 128 MB ram available?
After seing the Toshiba I am starting to doubt if I want the Kaizer....
No doubt the G900 screen resolution outclasses the Kaiser by a signicicant margin. However user's comments all over the net regarding useability of this screen in medium to bright sunlight conditions sort of puts me off. What is the benefit of a good resolution when probably half the time you cannot use it.
Regards
not the Toshiba please as there is the 'frozen' issue, hang when you off the phone and unable to reach you when someone calls you... Plus one for the Kaiser...
g900
it's easy to crictice and compare whith a device that is not out for sales. it's true that g900 havel some problems but nobody remember what about tytn when come out? i guess that in one month g900 problem's will bè solved and kaiser will come out in september with other problems that will maker people unhappy.cheers
Is the G900 a step forwards though?
To me this phone looks like only a slight step forward from the universal and only in form factor mostly.
It has no GPS and still a 2mpix camera. Both minus points. Ok.. it has Windows mobile 6 but who doesn't have that with half a clue.
No one is sure yet that the HTC omni is actually vapour ware or something real and if the OMNI were real its somewhere near where i would expect the G900 to be in terms of features.
The kaiser seems to have the next step forwards in all round features (apart from the screen res that is) but with a screen as small form factor as the Hermes would you want 800x480 or similar? it would be much harder to read generally though web pages would look better i agree.
also consider the g900 is a triband where the kaiser is quad not a problem in most places but here in the U.S if you dont have that 850 you are SoL in a large area still :-(
Hi
I'm also thinking of the Kaiser after returning the G900.
The screen is great but there are some things worth remembering:
1) No matter how good it is, it's not much use if you can't see it outside, it's a mobile device after all and that to me means in or outdoors use, but the G900 is indoors only. Believe me in bright daylight it's a struggle and in sunshine you can hardly tell if it is on or off.
2) Windows Mobile 6 doesn't run at the panels native resolution (it would be unusable if it did see point 3) and so is scaled bigger, so when in Windows Mobile you are getting the same amount of information per screen as you would with a 240x320 resolution. The ratio of the G900 means you end up with a bit more vertical space, but not a lot of difference.
3) When using anything that takes advantage of the G900 resolution, i.e. remote desktop or viewing a web page at 100%, while everything is pixel perfect and sharp, text and images are so incredibly small I felt like I was going cross eyed after a few minutes of squinting at the screen. You'd struggle to read anything on the move at that resolution and certainly couldn't outdoors in daylight.
4) The screen measures 45x65mm, I'd recommend cutting out a piece of paper to those dimensions just to visualise how small that screen is. Most pictures you view on your computer of the G900 will see the screen larger than real-life so it's a bit misleading when you screen shots.
Taking the practicalities into account of just how usable the G900 resolution is, and realising the screens outdoor limitations and it's tiny size making anything running to take advantage of that resolution migraine inducing, I can understand completely why the Kaiser is still 240x320, it's a practical resolution for a tiny display.
The money saved on the Kaiser by having a sensible resolution means you get a lot more extra elsewhere.
If the G900 had a 240x320 resolution, would anyone show any interest in this phone for it's other features?
The G900 also has reliability issues that may or may not get satisfactorily fixed.
Regards
Phil
Say what you want. The one thing I said I wish the Kaiser had was a bigger screen. I wouldn't buy the device because I'm not a fan of Toshiba but the form factor is impressive along with the fingerprint identification and the mouse type availability (sort of).
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I'm also thinking of the Kaiser after returning the G900.
The screen is great but there are some things worth remembering:
1) No matter how good it is, it's not much use if you can't see it outside, it's a mobile device after all and that to me means in or outdoors use, but the G900 is indoors only. Believe me in bright daylight it's a struggle and in sunshine you can hardly tell if it is on or off.
2) Windows Mobile 6 doesn't run at the panels native resolution (it would be unusable if it did see point 3) and so is scaled bigger, so when in Windows Mobile you are getting the same amount of information per screen as you would with a 240x320 resolution. The ratio of the G900 means you end up with a bit more vertical space, but not a lot of difference.
3) When using anything that takes advantage of the G900 resolution, i.e. remote desktop or viewing a web page at 100%, while everything is pixel perfect and sharp, text and images are so incredibly small I felt like I was going cross eyed after a few minutes of squinting at the screen. You'd struggle to read anything on the move at that resolution and certainly couldn't outdoors in daylight.
4) The screen measures 45x65mm, I'd recommend cutting out a piece of paper to those dimensions just to visualise how small that screen is. Most pictures you view on your computer of the G900 will see the screen larger than real-life so it's a bit misleading when you screen shots.
Taking the practicalities into account of just how usable the G900 resolution is, and realising the screens outdoor limitations and it's tiny size making anything running to take advantage of that resolution migraine inducing, I can understand completely why the Kaiser is still 240x320, it's a practical resolution for a tiny display.
The money saved on the Kaiser by having a sensible resolution means you get a lot more extra elsewhere.
If the G900 had a 240x320 resolution, would anyone show any interest in this phone for it's other features?
The G900 also has reliability issues that may or may not get satisfactorily fixed.
Regards
Phil
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Okay - I wish I read your post before my last. Great write-up.
PhilipL said:
2) Windows Mobile 6 doesn't run at the panels native resolution (it would be unusable if it did see point 3) and so is scaled bigger, so when in Windows Mobile you are getting the same amount of information per screen as you would with a 240x320 resolution. The ratio of the G900 means you end up with a bit more vertical space, but not a lot of difference.
3) When using anything that takes advantage of the G900 resolution, i.e. remote desktop or viewing a web page at 100%, while everything is pixel perfect and sharp, text and images are so incredibly small I felt like I was going cross eyed after a few minutes of squinting at the screen. You'd struggle to read anything on the move at that resolution and certainly couldn't outdoors in daylight.
If the G900 had a 240x320 resolution, would anyone show any interest in this phone for it's other features?
Phil
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Couldn't you technically increase the the screen's running resolution to its native by editting the registry? Like on the Universal there are apps or registry changes you can make for it to actually display true-vga. Maybe it can also be done on the g900.
-Edit:: Reread point 3. lol Good point, the universal's screen was big and was able to use vga pretty well. I could imagine the g900's screen size running true wvga. I'm sure it would be quite a problem reading anything on it.
Great display
I just got one and the display is great. If you have to work with larger excel tables, browsing etc.
It has Flash light on the Camera! Something the HTC's lack. The processor is great too. Good speed. It is just a mater of time until we open a section for this phone on XDA so there should me more stuff comming up for the phone.
I like it a lot, the price is not bad as well. It costs less than SonyEricsson's P900 when they lauch it.
If you need security this is the phone. It has fingerprint reader. The security is must for me. Also the card reader is conveniently placed on the side of the unit so you can change the MiniSD very easily. Also the MiniSD is 1/2 the price of MicroSD so I can buy more cards. I'm sure Toshiba will give great support as well.
They allready posted a Patch for the freezing problem if you get one. I personaly haven't got this problem so I don't need patch... Also very nice camera for the Video Conferencing. And a nice VoIP option...
Also great backlit keyboard.
Great Phone.
I'm sure HTC will hit with something similar. If they get something better in a year or two I will sell the G900 and buy HTC.
I had P3300, they promised WM6 original ROM for June!!!!! Nothing.
Thanks got there is XDA and Tom Codon roms in order to get better value from the P3300.
Forgot to mention tha flash
There is Flash Light for the Camera which HTC lacks, at least the P3300. I'm not aware of HTC with FlashLight on the camera.
I had a g900 and the screen is fantastic for web pages.. I could read everything pretty easily when viewing a full page, but zooming in and out is easy too.
The locking issue should now be fixed with a patch, however I did experience other crashes too. The main reason I returned it was that the radio is terrible! I hardly ever got any 3g reception which renders its main feature, fast internet, pretty much useless. Even in central London.
haha, just wondering if TouchFlO would able to run on G900
wm6 supports karger natuve resolutiomn than 320 240 i think niow 640 by 480
g900 was my top choice but no 3g in the us the 3g is single band only!
the glofish only have 64m of ram
Agree with PhilipL, the resolution of G900 is nice but it is not practical.
The physical screen size is too small for 800x480.
3.5" VGA would be the best!
No way to the Portege!!
I owned the Toshiba 2032 (aka Audiovox Thera) a few years back. What a disaster!! It was by far the worse PPC device I ever owned! Toshiba provided absolutely NO support for that thing. I vowed then to NEVER buy another Toshiba device.
TEC
I have Touchflow running on this phone G900 and it's very Quick.
By accident I stumbled upon the HTC Diamond after a friend of mine asked me if I can buy it cheaper in the US (compared to Germany)...
I was using a PocketPC in the past but stopped because I did not want to carry a PPC and a cell phone with me all the time. And at that point, windows mobile based phones where just not very appealing...
Well, that changed now after getting back and checking the current PPC market which mainly consists of PPC/phone solutions now. Is the PPC as a stand-alone PDA dead? I guess so...
Luckily I stumbled upon the HTC Touch Diamond on the day HTC announced the Touch Pro. So despite most of you all out there, I was not caught in the HTC Touch Diamond Hype before you completely knew about the HTC Touch Pro.
So for me, I will most likely wait until the Touch Pro is released. Mainly because of: Higher Battery Capacity, microSDHC slot, more RAM/ROM, Camera with Flash and keyboard... (well, basically all the differences)
One thing I was really wondering about: The HTC Touch Diamond/Pro are 3G phones. So it is possible to stay connected to the Internet 24/7. You can receive your emails now anytime and anywhere (even better with push-email or an exchange server). So managing your emails on-the-go is not a problem at all. Therefore it is great to have a hardware keyboard with the phone, like with the pro, right?
Or is a hardware keyboard not that great? I have no experiences with that... What are yours? What are your opinions about having a hardware keyboard or not? Is the larger size of the pro to much of a sacrifice to get all the goodies like keyboard, more battery power, and memory card slot?
I am wondering how much of an impact it has if the phone is just 7mm thicker and heavier but the width and length remains the same. Opinions... what are your priorities?
Touch Pro............
I'll try to hold myself and wait for the Touch Pro. It even has a TV-out for Christ sake... Don't get me wrong, the Diamond is a stunning device, but if I'll buy a new smartphone (now I have a Touch Enchanced) it will be the Touch Pro. Plus, while the Diamond design is ... unique, it's not very practical, and one shouldn't be concerned about the shape of a phone in the first place.
Diamond for me, I now have a E-ten M700 and the keyboard i don't use alot.
The more things on the device the more things brake
I got Diamond because it's thin and pro is too thick
I've got an HTC Wizard, and I don't think it's too thick..
Don't get me wrong, it is think for a phone, but with the stuff in has in side (at least for the time it was released) it's good
The keyboard is sometimes really useful, but I guess it depends on what you're using the device for.. Sometimes you just don't want to type the stuff on the display (especially if the keys are tiny), and then the keyboard is perfect! Other times, I use the screen (because when I open the kb, the scren rotation takes 3 seconds or something like that, and at times I hate it, though it's not a problem with the HTC Touch Pro )
Anyway, I'm thinking of getting the pro, mainly because of the battery, RAM.. I could live without the keyboard, but not with a bad battery =/
Speaking about the SD card.. I'm thinking will the internal storage be faster than the internal SD card reader?
Diamond. Keyboards are not fashionable or necessary, and the other improvements (some of which are random, like TV Out) don't justify the size.
And yeah, I would guess that the internal storage would be faster than a microSD card reader.
Does anyone have any estimates on the price of the Touch Pro? They might put an end to any potential for doubt in my mind.
I think keyboard have their place. I used to use one to ssh and vnc into servers as a last resort. They also make email alot easier. Without the keyboard you end up writing small short emails which you later have to follow up with another sentance or two when you get to the PC.
But, i'm going for the diamond, simply because i dont need to respond to that much email urgently, only read it, and what i do i can manage with on screen keyboard. SSH, VNC will still work, and like i said its a last resort anyway.
Touch pro for me! i dont think the diamonds virtual keyboard is any good for even a full text message, it just dosent apeal to me. Yeah the pro is thick, but having a full keyboard and bigger battery just makes me gravatate to it much more.
and VGA screens =D
pro or x1 because of the keyboard.
Pro. Hardware keyboard. MicroSD slot. Bigger screen. And for people who say less hardware=better, what will happen if you mess up your touchscreen on your diamond? You're screwed because you have no buttons.
I like the diamond but will get none of those.
The look and specs are great, but they are not for me. Because:
- Battery. How on earth 900mAh battery comes with 528mAh CPU, VGA display, 128Mb RAM. Oh well not to mention the 3D effect. It reminds me about Nokia 8800, luxury but not useful with second bettery beside. Touch Pro is not much better. The best maybe SE Xperia X1 (HTC also).
- Plastic feel and of couse fingerprint. A bit too light for me.
- 2.8" screen a bit too small for browsing, especially VGA display.
Maybe HTC will redesign those phones and the next generation coming soon. Ideal "Diamond version" will come with bigger battery and Metal feel like X1. Will get one then
Pro!
I'd go with the Pro. I currently have a Tilt, but am looking to expand my collection. This phone seems to be the perfect fit. There is one feature that is a slight problem, screen size. My tilt has the widely used 2.8" qvga screen and gets very annoying when trying to surf the web, view documents as well as pix and vids. The Pro would be even better if it had at least a 3.5 inch screen.
I will definitely wait for the Pro. Mostly for the battery capacity and the more RAM and ROM. Then hardware QWERTY keyboard and SD card slot are another plus, even if I won't use them that much. May be even more/better accessories in the box. And yes, it's thicker than the Diamond but, hey - all that in just 18mm. Man, it's the size of my current N73.
I just hate HTC for that two months delay, they should have announced them together so I can buy Pro now. I was so desperately waiting for the new HTC device, now I have to wait even more. But then I'll have the time to see if users experience any problems with the new platform - the case with the cripled TyTNII, that I was going to buy and then read about the video problems.
playst said:
I got Diamond because it's thin and pro is too thick
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Same here I've a tytn and it's too thick.
The keyboard is great, btw the new qwerty virtual keyboard of diamond is really nice, i can write easily and fast.
demonizator said:
But then I'll have the time to see if users experience any problems with the new platform
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I am actually speculating very much on this... as you already have read on this forum, there are flaws or shortcomings with the Diamond and people already find tweaks and solutions. I am actually very confident that I will end up to have very distinc and realistic expectations once the Pro hits the market due to what I am and will be able to get to know about the Diamond on this forum!
Kraize92 said:
Pro. Hardware keyboard. MicroSD slot. Bigger screen. And for people who say less hardware=better, what will happen if you mess up your touchscreen on your diamond? You're screwed because you have no buttons.
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I can understand people who just prefer keyboards, but attacking the touchscreen is very random. I have four points in response to that:
1. Touchscreens are not particularly prone to breaking. If they were, phones with touchscreens would not be popular.
2. The Touch Diamond has toughened glass protecting its screen, so that is pretty hard to break too. I'd say toughened glass is much less prone to breaking than a plasticky keyboard.
3. Even if the touchscreen does break, the device can be used without it - there are more than enough buttons.
4. The Touch Diamond is designed for use with one hand, whereas it's pretty hard to use a keyboard with just one hand. What if you messed up one of your hands?
Well, I'm getting the Diamond (not the pro). Form factor is very important to me and I have never used a hardware keyboard as well (no, don't need one too ).
Most of the issues I hear I'm 'used to' with htc phones and there are already some tweaks out to overcome those small flaws. For me I don't think the pro will fix those issues.
So in short the pro doesn't have that much more to offer to me, thus the Diamond is the device of choice
Diamond ordered here. It`s tiny and that`s important.
Call me Fl#cking crazy
I'm considering getting out of the ppc game. I went from the
Hitachi g1000
ppc6600
ppc6700
ppc6800
ppc6900
then back to the 6800
I won't say what i might be getting, if i did i'd get flamed like noo tommorow.
I was excited about the diamond and raphael. Then i saw the video blog of the diamond. Every new video that came out, made me realize that you can spot the wound peeking out from underneith the bandaid. Touch flow being the bandaid, win mo being the scabby wound, that keeps getting a little better, untill you pick at it. 8 years of nearly the same os, has left me cynical and slightly bitter. There's nothing better than showing someone my 6800 to someone to only have it stall or lock, and then having to re-set it.
Did i mention that i have been up for over 20+ hours, it's easy to nit pick when your barely lucid.
Any Tilt or Kaiser owners plan to upgrade to the Touch Pro 2? Does it seem like it would be a significant upgrade? I'm curious to what you fellow Tilt/Kaiser owners think...
I have the Tilt and have not upgraded to the Fuze. I was waiting for the next big thing that ATT was potentially was going to bring over and it seem like this is it. I love the device's design in every aspect; looks amazing physicaly. What i don't like is that they stuck it with a 3mp camera (and removed flash!). I absolutely love the 3.6" screen. Basically, i'm pretty sure i'll be upgrading (i saved my contract upgrade and rejected the Fuze for this reason).
Yeah, I'm going to buy Touch Pro2, the reasons why, larger screen, better hardware, 5-row keyboard, looks very very cool, more finger-friendly.
iphone. if lack of a hw keyboard is not a deal breaker. After owning 2 winmo phones (currently using a tilt) and modding many other peoples iphones, i can honestly say that the iphone is superior in usability/apps/stability. after drooling for a touch diamond and then hearing my friend say its laggy after he bought it, was a real disappointment. Microsoft is really behind the curve in the mobile sector. Thinking about selling my tilt for iphone now. Might wait till winmo 7 to come out before purchasing another winmo phone. For the record i'm a pc guy and i think apple products/fans our generally pretentious and kinda douche-ie (not all though).
Not sure about the Touch Pro2. I rarely .. if ever use my keyboard. I am waiting on the HTC Topaz for ATT..... drool.
I'm probably gonna go for the TP2. 800x480 screen!
They only issue i see with the device is that they've removed the d-pad.
HTC looks like they've put every good feature into this device, from FM Radio to TV Out. It looks perfect, and although a faster processor or a DPAD wouldn't hurt. And a 6.5 upgrade sounds good as well. I am certainly getting this phone.
Dave
good thing i passed on the fuze too...The Touch pro 2 will definitely be up there on my next phone list...And this will probably be the real successor to the tytn ii...I think it also matches the specs we had a few months back on the then phantom "TILT 2" that never showed up...until now...
TP 2.... is it worth sniffing at?
Does anyone know if it'll have proper 3D and 2 D DirectX and Direct Draw drivers included? I'm not wanting a HTC customised menu so much as full native support of the built in hardware within the operating system and parts thereof such as Pocket Mediaplayer itself. I'd like to use video playback without having to slash the frame rates and/or resolution as I have to with my Kaiser (even under TCPMP).
I'm concerned to read that although it has GPS support, it doesn't appear to list what software is provided to use this in the UK/Europe. Does this mean that it could be the TP all over again with HTC refusing to acknowledge any GPS problems that may crop up? Without a tried and tested native GPS app bundled with the device, it won't be one for me.
I'm very tempted - but I think I'll have to wait until I actually can put my hands on one in a shop to decide. I fear I will find it too large and/or thick for my liking. The Tilt is thick, but small. The iphone is large to the point I feel mixed with regard to the size in the pocket/screen comfort balance, but at least is thin. The TP2 will be large AND thick. And it loses the DPAD indeed, and I use that a lot
only a few people think it would be a worthy upgrade?
What's that saying, once bitten....
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If those who currently have Kaisers (or TPs for that matter) get a feeling of déjà vu with the 'finished' product and its shortcomings (video drivers, keyboard performance, GPS time to lock and any lag, important bits/features missed out etc) then yes, you are correct. HTC need to learn from its mistakes and provide a product that actually meets peoples needs fully and reliably if they want those who've already been stung by them to part with cash on a new HTC product. Many people here have already said they'll never buy another HTC product due to all the problems they've had so you get an idea of the extent of feeling about such things!
I'm planning to get the TP2
- Higher resolution big and wide screen
- Larger battery
- Faster processor
- More internal memory
- 5 row keyboard
- TV out
- USB OTG
- New TOUCH FLO 3D with larger soft menu screens
- WM 6.5 (when HTC will make it available)
I'll miss:
- D-pad
- Jog wheel
- Buttons!
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If those who currently have Kaisers (or TPs for that matter) get a feeling of déjà vu with the 'finished' product and its shortcomings (video drivers, keyboard performance, GPS time to lock and any lag, important bits/features missed out etc) then yes, you are correct.
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Or, there are people like me who are really happy with the Kaiser, and for whom it would take something really good to warrant a change. As said, I'll see the TP2 when it's there, but until then I don't plan to change at all.
If the cookers start cooking good roms and it can be unlocked ok then yes it looks lovely
Okay wow, FINALLY a Windows Mobile device with a DECENT CPU. I don't care if it's a one-day-lasting charge. I LOVE the speed. 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU.
If you haven't yet seen it, look around on YouTube for videos of the Toshiba TG01 that just entered release last month. It runs WM6.5's titanium sooooo smoothly with an incredibly high framerate.
I know it doesn't have a QWERTY keyboard, but almost every feature matches the XPERIA including the WVGA resolution screen, only slightly bigger which I like anyway. And it is a capacitance touchscreen like the iPhone... also with no annoying frame around it for dust to collect... Perfect!
It also has an accelerometer.
So I'm willing to give up on my XPERIA, but being that the TG01 is not HTC-based, would there be as much developer interest and would there be many custom ROM's made for it once it's "HardSPL'd" so to speak?
Another question is: should I wait for the Toshiba K01 which features a QWERTY keyboard instead? I've used an iPhone a few times and the on-screen keyboard was rather irritating.... is it something I'd get used to? Would I be able to use services like biotouch.exe by HTC which greatly improves touch accuracy?
holdout said:
Okay wow, FINALLY a Windows Mobile device with a DECENT CPU. I don't care if it's a one-day-lasting charge. I LOVE the speed. 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU.
If you haven't yet seen it, look around on YouTube for videos of the Toshiba TG01 that just entered release last month. It runs WM6.5's titanium sooooo smoothly with an incredibly high framerate.
I know it doesn't have a QWERTY keyboard, but almost every feature matches the XPERIA including the WVGA resolution screen, only slightly bigger which I like anyway. And it is a capacitance touchscreen like the iPhone... also with no annoying frame around it for dust to collect... Perfect!
It also has an accelerometer.
So I'm willing to give up on my XPERIA, but being that the TG01 is not HTC-based, would there be as much developer interest and would there be many custom ROM's made for it once it's "HardSPL'd" so to speak?
Another question is: should I wait for the Toshiba K01 which features a QWERTY keyboard instead? I've used an iPhone a few times and the on-screen keyboard was rather irritating.... is it something I'd get used to? Would I be able to use services like biotouch.exe by HTC which greatly improves touch accuracy?
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There will be alot of developer interest, there won't be any forums here. There will probably be custom ROMs just like the Dell Axim PDA. There won't be alot of ROMs though I bet.
I wouldn't get any Toshiba phone. From what I've seen they have no idea what they are doing. The only thing really unique about it is the amazing screen domain and the fast CPU.
Sooner or later HTC [Earth's most dedicated Windows Mobile phone smith] will release a processor just as good as the snapdragon. I wouldn't even get the TK01 because obviously I haven't seen the phone in real pictures and I by the looks of the TG01 they are disappointing us and I know that Toshiba is pulling the iPhone trick by limiting the hardware features. They will slowly improve hardware to increase future sales. HTC is a better choice, because they make improvements that are much better than most other manufacturers except for Nokia which I think make better phones every time.
And the touch screen keyboard is a nuisance. With a resistive screen if you planning on using two thumbs then don't get Toshiba TG01. I read that you hate iPhone's touch screen keyboard, and I am sure you're gonna hate Toshiba's current lack of multitouch which makes it worst. If you planning on typing gradually or with a stylus, then it would be okay choice.
I think Toshiba will handle the sensitivity well. It's just that many prefer multitouch typing, and we don't have that technology implemented on Windows Mobile yet.
Beside you are trading off for a headphone jack, keyboard, and media panel.
Would you rather type slowly on your Toshiba TG01 and consume 10 minutes or type quickly on your Xperia and consume 4 minutes?
The choice is yours. The CPU only affects one portion of speed. The button design of the phone is important too.
Also when the phone dies within 1 day, imagining a situation in which you can't charge the phone for 3 hours. You've consumed 3 hours of productivity and entertainment. So your opinion that battery life is not important is totally wrong. Having a fast phone but not being able to use is like having slow phone and being able to use it.
However, I think that fast CPUs might make devices last longer because it makes the device more stable and less prone to application hang and issues.
The TG01 has nothing going for it except the CPU. 1ghz is nice, but when you have no keyboard and a superbly annoying interface I have to say - no thank you.
okay point taken... so it's a resistive touch indeed. i mistakenly assumed that its smooth hard screen surface meant it has a capacitance touch.... how do they get the two films of sensor sheets to make contact underneath a hard screen surface?
i was just typing on my xperia on-screen with maxkey/fingerkeyb2 keyboards and the like. i dont think i type fast enough for me to want multitouch on-screen typing hehe.
yes i overlooked the headphone jack which means a lot to people... for me personally i havent used my headphone jack once though... hehe.
and i only used my xperia for entertainment when i first got it then i simply got bored of it hahaha...
i dont see how their interface is annoying. i'd probably still stick with wm6.5's titanium home screen but i still havent tried their strips/blinds interface which still looks rather intuitive nonetheless. and the shaking gestures is kinda fun lol.
it's funny how some of their marketing mimics XPERIA's colour scheme.
you're right about the battery life though..... i guess that's my only drawback........
personally i'm really digging the size. i love how it's big (slightly larger screen size than the iphone). xperia is really cool being that it's so sleek and fits very comfortably in your hand, but i always expected the screen to be larger and put that high resolution to better use. after all my vision isn't 20/20 haha. i think the trend for smallest/compact has now turned to being all about largest/slimmest... easier on the eyes and good for HD stuff (i.e. nVidia tegra, HTC MAX 4G). big slabs yet thin...
ohhh welllzzz..... guess i'll wait....
OK, this is bulls*it. But my 2 cents.
Fine, everybody is talking about the Toshiba 1GHz, how fast it is/it is gonna be, how it'll kick XYZ ass, etc. But hey, do people really know what 1GHz is? Do they know how fast it'll REALLY be? It's not too far away when HTC was having an issue with low graphics quality.
1GHz is just a number, looking nice in the papers. But without propper drivers etc. it doesn't neccessarily have to be as fast as for example devices with 800MHz today.
There is of course a sort of people who will always wait for the fastest (yeah dude, it's in the papers, dude!) device, although they won't fully use it. That reminds me an old Greek tale about a donkey and straw - he was also waiting for better and better until he died, alone and hungry.
So my advice - try it first, then make decision
Well the 1ghz snapdragon aint an CortexA8 but people say its faster then the cortex and it also uses arm instruction set V7 but since windows mobile doesnt even use instruction set 6 youre kinda screwed and you wont benefit from all the nice gimmicks..
You are all talking about how it sounds on paper.
Get out and actually TRY ONE!
IT ****ING ROCKS!!!!
I went to my local Orange shop this afternoon to see one and have a play with it.
The handset is about the size of the old XDA Exec (HTC Universal) but thinner than an iPhone. In fact the 4.1" screen is almost as big as my Polaris.
It's lightweight, but feels solid and well built. The screen was clear and bright, even under the shop's bright lighting. The phone comes with WinMo6.1, but I'll bet that Toshiba will have an upgrade to WinMo6.5 at some future date.
The touchscreen is sensitive and responsive, but the most obvious indicator of speed is the screen flip when you turn the phone on it's side. Most HTC devices take a second or two to flip the screen from portrait to landscape. This takes no more than 0.5s. The delay is barely noticeable.
There's no D-pad and only 4 small buttons on the bottom strip of the phone, so if you find it hard to use a phone without a D-pad, this may be a deal-breaker. That said, the screen is so large that you should be able to hit on-screen controls easily. The SIP keyboard is nicely sized and I was able to type quickly with no spelling errors (I didn't notice any obvious autocorrecting going on). The numbers layout is in a line though, and I would have preferred a "telephone" layout for the numbers.
The Orange version of the phone comes with an Orange Home screen which mimics the appearance and functions of the OmniaHD interface. Think of TouchFlo3D with the slider up and down the left side of the screen instead of across the bottom of the screen. I consider it to be nicer to use than WinMo6.5' Titanium UI which tends to fill the screen with text.
OFC, people are more interested in the new "Stripes" UI that Toshiba are presenting with this phone. Orange have kindly provided a simple way to switch between the Orange Home screen and Stripes from the Program list.
The Stripes UI is nice to look at and the rotation of the stripes is smooth, but it's insanely sensitive to swipes. If you want to swipe along one or two stripes, you have to use a small or slow gesture because a normal swipe sends the stripes *flying* along.
The stripes themselves are simply categories of functions. There's phone calls, SMS messages, audio/video, GPS and a few others as well. You can also change the colour scheme between about 3 presets. I'm just wondering how long it will be before some enterprising coder dumps the ROM and extracts the cab for the Stripes UI. I personally prefer the Orange Home screen, but that's just me.
The phone comes with CorePlayer out of the box and is the primary video player from Stripes. It also comes with a G.I.Joe trailer and it's fantastically clear and colourful for video playback. I don't think video playback will be a problem with double the usual processing power.
The one thing I didn't get to try was the internet or phone calls because I was hoping to try the "shake twice to answer" feature. The microSD slot is under the back plate where the battery and SIM go. It will also reliably take up to 32GB chips (if you can afford them).
All it would take is for someone to develop an LCARS theme Today screen and it would be just like the PADs from Star Trek:TNG. It's thin and light, but big enough to hold onto and read easily. If you like the Touch Diamond 2 but wanted a bigger screen, seriously consider the TG01.
As a former Xperia owner (I'm selling my latest replacement), the TG01 is functionally superior to the X1. It *feels* faster and the larger screen seems almost overwhelming if you're used to the 2.8" screen of the X1.
My only problem w/ TG01 is it only support 2100mzh UMTS which render useless for AT&T's 3G
everybody can make a 1ghz cpu but to make one which performs like one is the deal
and if it use the batt 3 times as fast as a say 333Mhz cpu it sort of beats the purpose
of it being in a handheld device
okay dude , if u wanna have the 1ghz cpu chances are u need it for smooth gaming/emulation purposes , but how u gonna get around that without any HW keyboard ?? the TG01 isnt the x1 killer *yet*
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You are all talking about how it sounds on paper.
Get out and actually TRY ONE!
IT ****ING ROCKS!!!!
I went to my local Orange shop this afternoon to see one and have a play with it.
The handset is about the size of the old XDA Exec (HTC Universal) but thinner than an iPhone. In fact the 4.1" screen is almost as big as my Polaris.
It's lightweight, but feels solid and well built. The screen was clear and bright, even under the shop's bright lighting. The phone comes with WinMo6.1, but I'll bet that Toshiba will have an upgrade to WinMo6.5 at some future date.
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I don't think Toshiba will release a rom update. Just google "Toshiba e550G Windows Mobile Petition", you will know why I sad that.
If I decide to get the TG01, I would approach the likes of cmonex and Olipro (OliNex team) with a view to getting a Hard-SPL for it.
As for ROM cooking, I've been looking at the tutorials with interest lately. As I understand it, it all starts with a ROM dump.
Dedicated sub forum
As xda will not have a dedicated sub forum for Toshiba tg01 (a pity), I suggest you all got to MoDaCo.com which now has a dedicated sub forum for the tg01. It was this forum that made i900 what it is today.
http://TG01.MoDaCo.com
If you look in the i900 section, you can see that huge activity and rom cooking going on there a, so don't be fool by the new topic start up for the tg01. see for example http://www.modaco.com/category/342/i...ia-modaco-com/
I'm very interested in this phone, but I wont go to Orange because of their poor internet bundle.
As far as Emulation/Gaming is concerned, you can either use a bluetooth gamepad (which can be found on ebay) or use a wired pc gamepad through the TG01's USB Host
Early results from FPSECE show that this is an emulation beast!! (see http://www.fpsece.net/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78&sid=2b0fb50428f1a74faa25c3061036641f)
saw the tg01 in the shop today. for me the device is too big, i could not fit it in my jeans pocket and it does not look very good, although it is very thin.
Ganondolf said:
saw the tg01 in the shop today. for me the device is too big, i could not fit it in my jeans pocket and it does not look very good, although it is very thin.
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How does it not fit?
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But hey, do people really know what 1GHz is? Do they know how fast it'll REALLY be?
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I've seen YouTube vids of the final TG01 released product and it is BLAZING fast....
holdout said:
I've seen YouTube vids of the final TG01 released product and it is BLAZING fast....
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But the screen rotation is slow.
poetryrocksalot said:
How does it not fit?
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too big, it would fit in a suit jacket pocket but not in my jeans. way too big
Hi all,
Well i had and X1 but not for long and i now own and have used the TG01 for the last few days and it is seriously quick and stable. I'm using SPM Mobile Shell as it just makes the devcie so usable and didn't like the Orange Home screen nor the Toshiba Stripes UI either.
The 1GHz processor isn't just for playing games it transforms how quick WM performs to as there is just no lag or stutter doing anything at all also CorePlayer which is pre installed plays unconverted DivX avi's with no problems no lag no stutter and everything is perfectly in sync to. The other thing is although the screen is resistive as long as you remember this and don't just run your finger over the screen but press lightly and then swipe it really is both very responsive nad fast. It's to early to really give feedback on battery life but as these next generation processors although much faster have been optimised for better power consumption the battery seems to be lasting a day easy and that's with me still constantly playing with things playing Music and watching Video's. One last thing that i thought would be a problem just isn't the lack of 3.5mm point as the Micro USB hands free adapter has a 3.5mm point so just plug in my Shure EC2g ear phones and it's all good much easier when listening to Muisc to answer a call this way.
The last thing i would say is the screen is just amazing Toshiba by using thier flat panel tech on it have done a great job the colours are bright and crisp and it's crystal clear. This devcie really does make WM fast and usable especially once you are using SPM Mobile Shell 3.0 with it well at least it does IMO. Oh and whoever claimed screen roatation is slow is wrong.
Marc