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Windows Mobile 6.5

As i found some news which is related to Microsoft that plans to release Windows Mobile 6.5 instead of Windows 7 during 2009. More detail click here

wow! have to check this out!

yes its a week old news, microsoft plans to launch it before WM7, lets hope our Hima are still capable for the challenge ;D

ather90 said:
yes its a week old news, microsoft plans to launch it before WM7, lets hope our Hima are still capable for the challenge ;D
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Yeah, i hope so..............

upgrade
soon I am gonna have the new htc touch pro 2. it is said to have been already upgraded with wm6.5. I have alot of programs that run on wm6.1. do they no longer work on 6.5???? what is gonna happen when windows mobile 7 comes around all the programs will be useless as well???

yes they all will work, as far for Windows Mobile 7, it will not besupported by TouchPro2, a device by HTC, named "Leo" is coming which has the first snapdragon processor (1GHZ), that might be supported..

Vista Portable on Kaiser??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx9H9UuUuq8
Where to download the thing
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please somebody??

THis at best seems to me a WAD theme. Or am I wrong, may be I would be more interested to see me wrong this time.

Looks like yet another shell program, but apparently a good one

pretty fancy when he posts a link can you put it up here?

here is the post from the guy who put up the video
http://www.htctilt.com/showthread.php?t=661

yaa it seems something like those shell programs. I don't know if it will be anything more than just few windows program. @ryan don't worry you will surely get one when it will be out. Cheers.

i will contact the coder i think that windows vista for kaiser will be released very very very soon

If it wasn't simply a Shell User Interface then why would it run within Windows Mobile?
I suppose you're going to install Desktop applications on your Kaiser? Like everyone can afford 300+MB for Office?

It's bad enough on full sized PCs
Without bringing it to PPC platforms as well. Aside from the 'resource' issues already referred to, there's also the fact that even WM 6.1 doesn't offer full driver support for much of the hardware it's commonly (and officially) installed on. A good example is that unlike the desktop WHQL driver certification scheme where many of these drivers are included in native OS desktop builds, there's no such luck with Windows Mobile and it's a free-for-all with Microsoft allowing devices to be sold with their OS and no proper driver support. Maybe WM 7.0 may correct this (for example by offering full Qualcomm MSM72xx chipset support) but thats no help for Kaiser owners wanting to play video using just native apps.
What's really needed is to get the current Windows Mobile OS sorted and working reliably with full performance (and that additionally includes sorting the poor performing shambles that is currently known as Activesync/WMDC) before trying to add additional 'cosmetic' features.

Look for it
January 09

kiril_cvetkov said:
Look for it
January 09
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It is January 09 isn't it? JK

this looks sweet! can't wait for it to be available!

It is January.

That looks awesome! I spent days trying to find the stupid "Vista Portable Edition" Wisbar theme and never succeeded. Grab it quick, cause I'm pretty sure the reason the previously mentioned Wisbar theme was so hard to find is because Microsoft forced people to remove it. This is great though.
Dave

stylez said:
It is January 09 isn't it? JK
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yes, l0l i wanted to say with this, that the vista shell app will be released very soon ...
cheers

awsome will wait patientlly then jump on it lol

its getting late in the month is this still coming out you think? (i hope)

I think the developer is still not able to solve some issues. Its going to be end of jan in week time to come. Hope we will be having it in our devices by that time.

Windows Mobile 6.5 / 7 on Diamond?

Hello!
As most of you people know, the next version of Windows Mobile will be probally version 6.5 ...
My question is: what if microsoft releases this version, are we able to download it for free through our mobile with windows update?
Or will we have to pay for a new version?
This is my first time windows mobile, so i'm not sure about windows mobile updates, how things work.
Could someone explain me?
And P.S.: In februari the world mobile congress is there. Any change 6.5 will be released around that time?

Some of the "big" fabricators gave out (free) updates from WM5 to WM6, so the chance that there will be updates from 6.1 to 6.5 (or 7) is imho pretty good.

Maybe they will give an opportunity to update via HTC site however usually they only support the newest devices so maybe they'll realese WM 6.5 for Diamond but I'm not sure about 7 But propably if it won't use Multitouch or something like that I think somebody will port it

Updates...
Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't give ROM updates to end users... that's up to network operators or OEM's (original equipment manufacturers - HTC for example). I've been using Windows Mobile devices for nearly 10 years now, and my experience tells me, as far as WM6.5 is concerned, we have 'little' chance of an official update for the Diamond - WM7 'no' chance!
However, these wizards here at XDA will give us the ROM's in one form or another, so don't hold your breath for genuine ROM updates of any significance!!

K69 said:
Some of the "big" fabricators gave out (free) updates from WM5 to WM6, so the chance that there will be updates from 6.1 to 6.5 (or 7) is imho pretty good.
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Agreed, HTC did that before

The official updates from HTC or the operators usually take some time to be made available. The unofficial updates though come much quicker at this wonderful XDA forum here.

We may get 6.5 but 7.0 i don't think so because of the hardware limitations maybe for the CDMA version because has a better configuration

WM 6.5 - Would be nice for Kaiser

Windows Mobile 6.5 which is due out in the 4th quarter of this year will be available to some WM 6.0 and WM 6.1 phones. Sure hope htc gets on the band wagon and upgrades our Kaisers. (Doubtful though).
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/news/show/92572/windows-mobile-6-5-screen-shot-walk-through.html
Jim

It's already been announced by MS that there will be no upgrades to WM6.5 for current phones.
Anyway, there are a few decent WM6.5 roms out in the ROM Dev forum...

im using wm 6.5 and i dont like it. too much bug and very slow. stick to wm 6.1 unless wm 7 comes out.

My hope, a cooked WM6.5 liked original config. has (icons, feature, applications) and they are working well
If it's a lite version, then just be as original graphics has..
Ah, it's just a dream..

6.5 isnt that great.

peterfnet said:
It's already been announced by MS that there will be no upgrades to WM6.5 for current phones.
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Actually according to this post at engadget mobile, in the last paragraph, it says that Microsoft will now, at the discretion of the device manufacturer, provide a 6.5 upgrade to any device with at least a 400MHz processor and 128MB ram. I still doubt that we'll get an official upgrade since HTC wants us to buy new phones from them. Here's the text for anybody who's interested:
Finally, Microsoft's issued a clarification regarding upgrades from 6.1 to 6.5: devices that are already out in the marketplace with a minimum of 128MB of RAM and a 400MHz processor or better are theoretically capable of being upgraded -- it's all up to licensees to decide whether they want to go to the trouble of offering the upgrades to their customers
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Here's Pocketnow.com's interpretation:
According to Engadget Mobile, Microsoft is amending its upgrade policy for Windows Mobile 6.5. The company is now stating that if you own a Windows Mobile 6.1 device with at least a 400 MHz and 128 MB of RAM, it is up to the device maker to offer an upgrade path or force you to buy new hardware. Can we see a Touch Fuze on AT&T with Windows Mobile 6.5? The "Home" button instead of the "Start" button that was previously required for Windows Mobile 6.5 will surely save some people a few hundred on new hardware.
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Dave

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Actually according to this post at engadget mobile, in the last paragraph, it says that Microsoft will now, at the discretion of the device manufacturer, provide a 6.5 upgrade to any device with at least a 400MHz processor and 128MB ram. I still doubt that we'll get an official upgrade since HTC wants us to buy new phones from them.
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Glad to hear better news about that, thanks.

peterfnet said:
Glad to hear better news about that, thanks.
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I am pretty sure that is the way it went from 6.0 to 6.1. HTC said yes to some models and no to others. MS doesn't care who replaces one phone with another newer one, they sell a license either way.

HD2 and WinMo 7

I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582123
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575940

UberScooter said:
I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott
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Hi Scott
Minor updates through windows update on the phone;
Re. Windows 7 nobody really knows if they will be able to upgrade to the official version. The hardware seems to be there so it depends on if HTC will release an updated Rom for it (assuming your provider has not put their own customised one on the phone in which case in which case you are reliant on them as the HTC Roms won't work.
On the other hand I am sure that after a little while you will be able to find a rom here that you can flash to if you want to and are brave enough to.

A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.

vangrieg said:
A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.
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I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.

mr_Ray said:
I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.
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Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!

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Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!
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Yup it's the other side of the coin. They have the stability of platform implementation that WinMo lacks, but that stability leads to stagnation. Developers know 100% what the target platform will be (well maybe a little faster, an added feature here and there, but essentially a keyboardless portrait HVGA device) but it also means that the consumer will never have the option of one of the countless form factor options available on WinMo.
Stability vs. flexibility. Both have their pros and cons and you only get to pick one. Microsoft & Google have gone one way, Apple the other. It's good that we have the choice.

Indeed it is