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Still within my 30 Days....What should I do?

Should I return the TILT???
I was depending on this being an mp3 player/video player/phone/fun/office device. ALL IN ONE being key!!
This device has dissapointed me on the multimedia end for obvious reasons as I can't even drag and drop SD DIVX Shows!!
Is there a device that can do all this that I should get instead since I'm in my 30 days???? What would you do?
Thanks for any advice....

redsrule2500 said:
Should I return the TILT???
I was depending on this being an mp3 player/video player/phone/fun/office device. ALL IN ONE being key!!
This device has dissapointed me on the multimedia end for obvious reasons as I can't even drag and drop SD DIVX Shows!!
Is there a device that can do all this that I should get instead since I'm in my 30 days???? What would you do?
Thanks for any advice....
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I am also in the same boat. I was expecting more from it when it came to playing movies and just overall performance. Don't know if I should return it to newegg and void the att contract. Or if it would be better to keep the contract, sell the phone on ebay, and use that money to buy a different phone.

return them
I would return them, and buy Iphones.
Iphones have by far the best web browsing available short of having a pc, which is what I was hoping for out of my tilt. Now that i know my web browsing issues are because htc didnt provide drivers, i feel like im missing a huge part of what this phone should have been and it is very disappointing.

Take It Back

return it...

RETURN IT
why? well the more HTC get returned etc the quicker they will pull their finger out and correct things and not allow such stupid mistakes

Just make damn sure that when you return it; you tell them WHY.
Hmm... The new 8gb Nokia N95 has just come out... Looks rather nice too...

All of you whom own a Tilt / Tytn II, T-mobile or other clone distributed by carriers should return this piece of ****ty hardware when not satisfied with the video performance.
Indeed, AT&T certainly would not have counted on such a return (and loss ) and will raise this towards HTC as loss of business.

Just return the ****ty thing and buy something that does what it's supposed to do.
And, for your own good, never buy anything coming from HTC. They're crooks, hypocrites and arrogant bastards who think that their customers are of a low enough IQ to be mocked in their face and still want to feed HTC money (this is exactly what comes out from their official response to the driver issue).

ahson said:
I would return them, and buy Iphones.
Iphones have by far the best web browsing available short of having a pc, which is what I was hoping for out of my tilt. Now that i know my web browsing issues are because htc didnt provide drivers, i feel like im missing a huge part of what this phone should have been and it is very disappointing.
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It no iphone for me....no way. It has the same problems in limited capabilities as you have to convert everything and use itunes….no thanks!
Also, anyone have suggestions besides iphone??????

Nokia's new model of the N95 looks sweet. 8gb RAM, black, not HTC... Worth checking out.

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Nokia's new model of the N95 looks sweet. 8gb RAM, black, not HTC... Worth checking out.
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no 3g, small screen, no keyboard, GPS? ... all features i wanted

redsrule2500 said:
no 3g, small screen, no keyboard, GPS? ... all features i wanted
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Now to be fair, you didn't way what features you wanted!

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Now to be fair, you didn't way what features you wanted!
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Everything the tilt has...except it works!! I thought Tilt was my perfect device

redsrule2500 said:
Everything the tilt has...except it works!! I thought Tilt was my perfect device
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Yup. I bought my tilt last week so I still have two weeks to decide. I would return it today if i could figure out a replacement that does everything the Tilt does but better. I would personally rather have the Tilt than an Iphone even with the problems, and that nokia isn't doing it for me.

If you don't mind losing the internal GPS and the extra ram you could downgrade to the 8525 (Hermes). Nice thing is that there price has dropped considerably since the Tilt came out. For awhile there AT&T was selling them for $99...so you could probably find another site out there somewhere that would give it to you even better than this.

I'll trade someone my 8525 for their Kaiser

ha, I can't believe what im reading here! are u guys really that bitter. I honestly feel that even when (if) htc releases the fix, MOST of us will not notice a big difference in our daily use. I compare it to a bluetooth keyboard I purchased. before I bought it, I was going crazy, thinking I needed one, etc. once I got it, I don't think I've ever used it.
don't get me wrong, I would love the drivers, but other than that I love my phone. great internet, great gps, full keyboard, etc. there is honestly no other phone id rather have.

My Warranty ends tomorrow. I think im just going to keep the damn thing. Sure the video converting sucks. but, I got the Camera to work (thanks to Navadi), and I havnt watched a movie on my mobile in awhile. At least the reception is flawless. I have better reception than most of my friends and family. with the same provider, AT&T.
In my house NO ONE gets reception. and I can have a full conversation inside my house perfectly.
My brother who owns the Iphone. He has to walk outside in order to talk on his phone.
Oh and yeah the full keyboard is much better than the Iphone at Texting.
Oh and dont get me wrong I am disappointed with HTC with the way they are handling this situation. Atleast be helpful, rather than leaving us with a "F**k you, we got your money, you got what you paid for." what they did was false advertise.
The problem is, in the U.S. The phone is still better than majority of all the other phones out there. OBviously not in Europe. but here. Yeah.

I've had both the iPhone (Returned it) and now I have the TILT...i prefer the tilt.
I know the video situation sucks but I think the phone is still good overall

So tempted to take my Kaiser back.

what can i say, last Saturday i walked out of my local O2 shop the proud owner of a Stellar (Kaiser). id had a Hermes for about a year, my Orange contract ended so i decided to upgrade my contract and phone. After playing around in the shop with a Stellar and an N95 8gb, i made my choice. Alongside the N95, the Stellar stood out and i didnt even think it was a tough choice. Home i strolled with my new toy, happy in the knowledge i had found a worthy replacement for my Hermes......well........
its now been 5 days, and all i can think about is the shop gave me 2 weeks to change the phone! the more is use the Kaiser, and the more i read online makes me want to exchange it! First off, with all that RAM and ROM it still seems less snappier than my trusty Hermes (and yes ive updated Kaiser to Schaps ROM 4.31). Strange. Next i run some of my trusty games: Quake, SCUMM, SNES and GBA emu's. these run worse than they did on my hermes, even worse than a really old xda 1 i used to have. Im getting worried by this point. So then i try watching some TV shows on it. Man, i know how video ran on my hermes, i even watched a good 10 mins of the spiderman 3 that came pre-loaded onto the N95 i tried in the shop so i know how video is MEANT to run. and its not like the piss poor Flickbook show my Stellar was providing me!!! So i start to research my new phone and find out the driver problems that this new phone suffers from. How can a company release this knowing full well the problems its gonna face?? Its a joke! Especially when people are paying serious money for them. I got mine for FREE and im still considering taking it back.
So here it is. Basically I have til the 16th to return it to the shop to get a new phone. Im seriously tempted by the N95 and dusting my hermes off rather than keeping the Stellar. the only thing stopping me is progress on the driver issues! i know with a set of drivers the Stellar will become my new fav toy, its the only thing holding the device back!
So what i want to know guys is, is it really gonna happen with HTC and these drivers, i see so many conflicting stories over this issue and am very confused! Are they really gonna uncripple our devices?? or just make us wait til they release their next overpriced, under resourced phone.
At present i feel im gonna wait til the 16th and if nothing official has been announced then im gonna take it back, trade it for a N95 and drag my hermes out of early retirement!!!

if it can do what you want it to do, and you're happy with it, then keep it.
if there's any possibility that you will be the least bit unhappy with it, take it back.
you've had the same time with both in the shop and you thought the kaiser stood out. what makes you think now that there aren't similar troubles with the nokia down the road?

To me, it sounds like you should hand the Kaiser back, stick with your Hermes for a while longer, and see what happens. Defaulting to the N95 doesn't really make sense - it obviously didn't impress you that much in the shop, and in many ways it's a very different device to any of the WM stuff you've used before, with an all new interface etc, no touchscreen, no keyboard, no compatibility with the software you're used to..
The Kaiser is a good device as it stands, but has the potential to be much more. If it doesn't meet your needs now, then hand it back and wait - something better might catch your eye, or the Kaiser itself might get the upgrades it needs.

I would not expect drivers in the near future, if ever. I already made this mistake and have long since gone past my return window. If you are having doubts, it is best to wait it out until something proven suits your needs.

Or... I'm not advertising or anything, but look for the other thread in this forum, the "another goodbye kaiser thread." Some people have just done what you are contemplating. I myself have gotten an E90 to replace. Would've gotten the N95(which my wife has) but I need a semi-PDA, at least.

thanks for your input, i kind of knew i would be taking it back. really not happy with it, seems slow and slugish compared to my hermes at almost every task! the reason im getting a n95 is cuz i need a new phone with the contract i took so im kin of picking it on default rather than merit. its free so what the hell! my stellar cost me £89 on top!!! im gonna use n95 as 2nd phone and continue using my trusty hermes as my main device!! thanks guys!!! im so gutted cuz i really want to love the Stellar!!!!! BLOODY HTC, THE DRIVER SHIRKING B&*%ARDS!!!

I'd personally prefer slow WM6 to a fast Symbian any day. I'm not going to get in the whole "everything's running perfectly fine on my Kaiser except for 3D games" thing, but the customization, interface and the amount of development that people do for WM is worth much more for me than playing Quake 3 on my PDA.
Just thought I'd advice you to really compare the OS and think about it better.. besides, it's always in around 5-7 days that "hype" is over and you start noticing problems.. every device known to human has problems or issues. Besides, on WM you usually have a fix/workaround to *most* of them.
Whatever you decision will be, good luck!
P.S: I personally *love* Nokia, and if they'd make PDAs on WM - I wouldn't buy anything else.

I have to say that the upside on Series 60 (your N95 option) is that what it does - it does quite well and is rock solid.
It isn't as customisable as the Kaiser, but with Windows Mobile's greater ability (necessity) to make bespoke, you get the downside of stability. The slowness you mention is puzzling...especially vs. the Hermes. Surely you have thrown in something like MemMaid and cleaned the RAM?!
I have never thought S60 to be very fast and a TyTnII should stomp it in speed. Very strange, I think.
BTW, I used Symbian PDAs and phones from the early 1990's until 2007.

there may be hope yet:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7085.html

The Kaiser is a phone, not a Playstation. Take it back, buy a Gaming platform, and find a phone that you can use to make calls with, not eat pellets or jump fire pits and whine about why your tiny guy didn't have enough RAM to fend of an evil attack.

Why does everyone appear to complain about their kaiser?

I had this phone for almost two months now and I have not experienced anything that has turned me away from another HTC device. I purchased it with only 35mins of call time for only $210 and I believe its worth double that. My life has become more organized, I get much better reception, I can use the internet at decent speeds, hell and the video quality isn't that bad, i got TT6, and so on.
I've really enjoyed this device, xda, and the learning process.

i've paid 800 cdn when it first came out and dont regret one bit...yes maybe there are issues with the phone but which phone is perfect? its all about personal prefs and give and take..to me this phone is good and i can live with whatever wrong with it...having said that its not the perfect phone cuz everyone wants this n that...i'll still switch over to the x1 just because its new and id like to try it out...if its not good then i'll go back to kaiser...if kaiser isnt good...maybe i'll look into another machine...but a phone is a phone...its not perfect...unless we manufacture our own phones

Since most forums are essentially self-help groups, it's not such a surprise. When I think of my previous WM5 i-mate - the hourly soft re-sets, unreadable screen in sunlight, constant need to re-calibrate the screen, poor receptoion (even though at the time I thought it was the coolest thing) - I thank my lucky stars!
chuk

i agree, its not perfect and the camera is rubbish, i still have the hermes and i prefer the camera on that but, updated hardware and built in gps does it for me.
People should start complaining about things that matter!

I'm irritated on principle about the driver issue - I strongly believe they should have supplied whatever software support was necessary to get the best out of the hardware, because we all paid for the latter and we shouldn't have to get it working ourselves.
On the other hand, generally the performance is acceptable and as a whole the device works very well. I'd probably be more annoyed if I'd paid a lot of money for it, but as it was quite cheap for me I'm more than happy with it overall. But HTC need to take note of the driver furore and the damage it's quite fairly done to their reputation.

redbandana said:
Why does everyone appear to complain about their kaiser?
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I don't! ;-)
No, seriously: I thinks that's a false impression. In this forum you will find a lot of perfectionists who always want to get out the most of their phones. And even if they do, they still look forward in buying the next generation. At least that description fits me. ;-)

I don't complain about mine and I was one of the first people in my area to buy one. I Think someone cried wolf regarding the video driver and now everyone wants to be cool too. I would like to see them but my phone kicks other phones butts for breakfast.

I was perfectly happy with my 8125 (Wizard) until I saw Engadget's preview of the Tilt. I immediately pre-ordered it through AT&T Premier, and had it in hand on launch day. Even though I will probably buy the Xperia sometime next year, I am in no rush to get rid of my Tilt.

As a noob to the whole genre of ppc's... I have to admit from everything i have seen here at work with other pda's and ppc's, My tilt kicks the s--t out of the rest. I know there are complaints about the video drivers but f--k it, i didnt buy my tilt to watch videos... i bought it to take care of my daily needs for when i cant get to my computer....

Probably because it is human nature to complain......
I've had mine since the first of October 07, and haven't really had any issues.
I had to return it because the USB port died. Didn't really like the camera
until the hotfix came out, which pretty much fixed the camera issue for me.

Exactly... Ive upgraded like twice and got the fixes I wanted and I'll tell you I wont get rid of this phone for awhile.

I think the only real reason for a complaint is the driver issue...
people had expectations that the device would out perform a hermes for video playback because of the data sheet and the graphics chip. Then when people got it and it shuddered and such due to no driver support people got mad.
I understand, people bought the phone expecting one thing, spent a lot of $$ and it did not meet there expectations.
Maybe it was their bad for having expectations but, they were founded on qualcomms own marketing for the 7200 chip.

Oh I understand what you're saying about the driver issues, I'd be pissed too if I had bought for those issues. Its HTC/Qualcomms f--- up for putting out the ifo like they did. They have a right to be upset if they bought the phones expecting something that wasnt delivered.

No complaints on my side so far! XDA helped with any issues and couln't be happier. I too will look into the SE Xperia but the Tilt will stay

If it weren't for me finding XDA I probably wouldn't have figured out the possibilities of my tilt. And I have found some really awesome stuff for it.

Sure, I am annoyed that my Kaiser is not being all that it could be as its missing some drivers, but I still like it and don't think I have ever complained.
However, I liked my Hermes. If I had not broken it I would probably not have upgraded when my contract ends in June (I only want a 12 month contract max and am a student, so not a heavy spender and can't really afford £150 for the handset as well as the contract).
I see a note about a HTC Raphael - it might get me to upgrade, but then I might just ignore it as I don't dislike the kaiser. It's not like the Wizard which really annoyed me by the time I upgraded. At the moment the only thing I am interested in is moving to a rolling 1 month contract (which is not a bad deal) and I might buy the Raphael without a contract.

The tilt is the best phone i've ever had. Who says the camera is rubbish?! did you see the panoramic shots some dude took and posted here. Those are clear as crystal. I mean geez people want a perfect cell phone with nikon capabilities. People can't seem to remember that it's a PHONE!!.. if you look at how far we've gotten in technology it isn't a bad device. I personally won't get the Xperia. I'll wait for the next HTC launch. Videos play fine on my phone and I have full movies on my SD card and stream music and videos from my home pc with no problems. People just like *****ing. Like I said before nobody started *****ing until Bill Nye the Science guy started that driver post.

read my signature..
remember people... quest for perfection ends at you feeling empty and betrayed.

I have taken mine to Hell and back ...the fact that it still works is amazing
I realise it has some drawbacks..but I am fine with it. Not changing it anytime soon.

Im quite happy with my tytnII had it for six months now,it is a shame that the drivers are not there for the imageon card,mainly because im a bit of a gamer and was looking forward to seeing what it was capable of.
Unfortunately it seems its not upto much, the slow down on call of duty is laughable i think my nokia 6680 could out peform it.
That aside i am very pleased with it.
If it wasnt that i was put onto this site by someone i probably would have sent it back (HTC TAKE NOTE)...I got this phone free on cotract at the time they were going for £440 pound on ebay i would have been seriously pissed if id paid cash for it outright.
A set of drivers would be sooooo nice,so keep putting in the hard work those who are working on them,and thanks to xda devs a invaluable lifeline to many.

A question about the Tilt and Android before i sell it...

I really like the Tilt, but the WM OS is just not for me. I really, really just hate it.
BUT, before i get rid of it, i wanted to know, is there any hope for the near future of running a custom Andoid rom on this thing? not running it within WM, i'm talking about full blown Android stand alone?
Because if thats the case, i might just throw it in my closet for a few months.
if not, it better start packing its bags tonight!

Sorry for OOT, but I have the same feeling towards the OS, bro.
I hate all M$ product so much (make it PC or PPC), but in the end I HAVE TO USE THEM WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT.
Just for the sake of compatibility with so many other person I live and interact with everyday.
You gotta learn to face it mate, hence, the frustration. I knew the feeling.
Actually there are alternatives like palm and apple, but only few uses or supports them. Which will make, in the end, worse frustration.

Android
Hi. See this link if you haven't yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
I'm sure it's a question of time 'till a standalone version comes out.
Cheers,
Draco

Android will be further down the road but it will be even later when we see a full-blown OS for the Tilt/Kaiser.
Once an Android OS is available though I will be flashing. I cannot stand WinMo either.
Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.

Its going to be at least as long as it takes to release the first Android Phone to the general public, once thats done then the platform will open up more and be more accessible to us devs. I think Android is going to be amazing once its up and running properly on the MSM7200 chip set. But your best bet would be to hold on to your kaiser and put it in a drawer some place and buy another phone if you don't like the OS and the GUI that comes with it, if you can afford to do so. I am not a fan boy but if you don't need your phone as a business tool then the new 3G Iphone is the way to go in "MY" opinion (please do not turn this into an Apple VS Mac thread) Bottom line is HTC makes great business phones that they did a great job marketing as a general consumer "media" device which it is in some ways. But if your holding onto your kaiser in hopes of Android making everything perfect then your bubble needs to be burst..

MrEous said:
Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.
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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
Apple sold 1 Million phones in 2 days so people must like something about it. Personally if they upgraded the camera and some other things I would be dropping my kaiser in a second for it but I'll wait for the 3rd generation its going to be sick! Last note and I'll stop! Windows Mobile 7 is going to be a radical change for the kaiser and other Windows Mobile based phones so It may be worth it to hold on to your kaiser until that is released

Thanks for the replies fellas. I have been a very happy Symbian S60 user for about 1.5 years now. I bought a Tilt a few months back because i love to tinker, and the Tilt is the Closest competition to the N95, so of course i had to get it. My first and last WM phone though.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone.
I just hope there is interest in the Tilt still for someone to make an Android rom by the time it comes out.
All im going to say is that if it werent for XDA-DEV, i would have chucked it out of my window, because the factory HTC roms are for the birds.

Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.

I'd love my Tilt even more if the screen was just a little bit better about where i touch it... I do IT for a small company and there are 3 iphones, a lot of junk phones and my Tilt... Tilt does the most, iPhone is the easiest to use.
If you could buy a better screen for the Tilt, I'd throw down an extra $200 on it.
Back to the topic, I'd also recommend saving it, with stuff like this you will never get what it is worth from anyone and if nothing else, you have a tinker toy.

If you dont like kaiser and can afford, u might as well sell it off now. Its nearly an year since its release and that is the approximate life of a handset ( in terms of specification) .Futher down the year htc pro will be released, with better specs and that handset will be better suited for wm7 or android. Both these OS may not work great in kaiser. ( but for me kaiser has been the best handset ever ( thanks to this forum and hang.tuah)

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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
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D'oh!...forgot Symbian phones.

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<snip>You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone. <snip>
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Well - obviously everyone sees something from a different perspective.
As a phone - the tilt is no better or worse than any other phone i have had. Remembering of course that cell signals have gotten better and more prevalent over time (I was an original Cellular One customer).
I do support for software so I need access to email on a pretty constant basis - I would have to get to the hotel immediately and check email - I would constantly have to have my laptop with me to check email to see if there were any problems brewing. I no longer have that "attchment" to the laptop. I have a freedom with this phone that I have never had before.
The fact that I can take it to the gym and listen to bluetooth headphones and get my music PLUS!
The fact that I can watch videos on the plane PLUS!
I can text and take and send pictures PLUS!
The fact that I no longer have to carry TOMTOM with me (the unit) when I am on the road and I ALWAYS have TOMTOM with me PLUS!
The fact that I can now whip out my phone and play a game when i am stuck for a few minutes and bored PLUS!
The fact that I can now find the local theater and see what is playing easily or the local Mexican restaurant PLUS!
The fact that I can get weather anywhere in the world easily PLUS!
The fact that I can get/add/change airline tickets easily PLUS!
The fact that I can add new programs to the phone easily PLUS!
So - from MY perspective - this is a drop dead incredible wonderful cannot do without it tool that makes my life better and more fun. It will only get replaced when there is something better available that does it truly better/faster/cheaper than my TILT.
From my vantage point,
Bill

Somehow, i really really doubt that... WM7 might use graphics a whole lot, and our phone doesnt have acceleration... We can just hope people can cook WM7 with drivers... Plus its still 6 months away, android is our best latest choice...
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Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.
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Thanks for the replies fellas.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
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Have to ask, if you have the better nokia phones, why not just link a N810 tablet to your phone via bluetooth ? They aren't bad little devices. Except they run a version of linux. But there are apps that let you do alot of what you need a PPC/Laptop for.

Letter to my Tilt

Dear Phone,
I feel privledged to know you... People call you many names like Kaiser, 8925, Tytn II, Vario III, and many others, but you will always be my Tilt. I remember when I first held you in my hand about 2 years ago.. You just "felt right" on my palm. You were very flashy and new... You had a QWERTY slide out keyboard that the buttons were big enough for my "man hands" (unlike your predicessor, my HP iPaq). But at the same time, with your keyboard sled in, you fit so nicely in my pocket.. (Screen facing into my thigh of course to protect your screen)
I remember our first vacation together to Florida from Wisconsin, where you told me right where to go using TomTom... Every turn, and you even managed to work where I had no cellular signal in the Mountians.. And I did not even need to buy you an external GPS "puck".. You did it all yourself without any outside help. When I was low on gasoline, you knew right where I needed to drive to.. When we stopped at motels that had free Wifi, you helped me check and reply to emails, and even IM people on yahoo and aim.. Then when we finally got to Florida, you were the first thing in my hand to call everyone to tell them the great news... You were there at Disney world to snap a quick picture of the family and the fun we had there... and even told me what the weather had in stock for me each day..
When I was at work you were with me... If I had to kill some time, or were just bored, we could play Ka-Glom or Call of Duty to pass the time.. And don't forget the time we played with your emulators.. There was more than once while waiting for appointments in offices and such that there was a crowd that formed aroudn us while we played Super Mario Bros 3 or some SNES game at full speed... You would never let me get bored.
If I needed some information, you surfed the internet like no other before.. I could choose whatever browser I was in the mood for, Skyfire, IE, and others... People would have their iPhones and such, but they had nothing on you... You has a 16gb storage card so you could keep up.. But your internal browser was compatible with orb so I could also access ANY of my 300 additional GB of movies, TV shows, music, and whatever else I had on my home computer... We used to love to play the game "Anything your phone can do, mine can do better". And when I just wanted to sit back and watch a movie, you screen would tilt up to the perfect angle for me to set down you down on the table and watch... And with my stereo bluetooth Motorola S9 earphones you came through loud and clear over distracting background noises!
There were rough times too... I flirted more than once with another... We can not forget when I set you aside and was seen out another.,.. But I always came home to you and learned my lesson... My son even fell in love with you and had to go otu and get one just like you as well... You may have aged some over time.. the shiney metallic layer on some of your front buttons may have flaked off... You may not be the newest and latest that is out there... But I know you are the best... You are the one that has stuck by me for these few years, and I hope many more. I know others have long since abandoned you for a Fuze or whatever the current flavor of the month is, but I will be with you until the end..... Or until I can afford a Touch Pro 2 (just kidding, sort of)... Thank you Tilt for all your hard work... I would not be the same without you..
You proud owner,
Todd in Wisconsin USA

This is so heart touching that I must say goodbye to my trusty 8525 and also follow the call of the Tilt. I want to feel this experience too.I need the GPS security and the friendship on the open road of Mr. T or Ozzy's voice leading me along the way. I must have the Tilt.

I think you will be happy with it.. and now with Tilts being "old" their prices are very affordable for most people.. But personally I prefer "C3PO" as my trusted voice on the road... He sounds rather refined and always calls me "Master".. But seriously.. For me, the Tilt is the best phone ever.. Since getting a tilt I have gotten : a HTC Touch Cruise, a LG Incite, and one or 2 others.. I always came back to the Tilt within a week or so... Sure, there is no g-sensor or FM radio.. but the g-sensor is cool, but nothing that is really that functional.. and with unlimited internet, you can stream most radio stations (even XM/Sirius stations if you have a subscription).. And the tilting screen.. Most people, even other Tilt users wil say it is sort of cool, but not that useful... But wait until you get used to it (assuming you take advantage of watching video on it)... hacong one that just lays flat on the screen will not be acceptable after that... I truely beleive it is the best phone ever...

ever since i got mine from a second hand store i have fallen in love with it. It is hands down the best phone I have ever used. I only paid 200 for it and once I learned how to put new roms on it my phone had a life that I had not know before. Battery life is the only issue I really have with this phone and even that I am willing to put up with just beause I love this phone that much. I recommend anyone who is serious about their phone get one of these it has made my experience the best I've ever had.

Teej53214 said:
Dear Phone,
I feel privledged to know you...
... Thank you Tilt for all your hard work... I would not be the same without you..
You proud owner,
Todd in Wisconsin USA
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Really ?......... I like sex ....................time to get a girlfriend mate.....

Teej53214 said:
Dear Phone,
I feel privledged to know you... People call you many names like Kaiser, 8925, Tytn II, Vario III, and many others, but you will always be my Tilt. I remember when I first held you in my hand about 2 years ago.. You just "felt right" on my palm. You were very flashy and new... You had a QWERTY slide out keyboard that the buttons were big enough for my "man hands" (unlike your predicessor, my HP iPaq). But at the same time, with your keyboard sled in, you fit so nicely in my pocket.. (Screen facing into my thigh of course to protect your screen)
I remember our first vacation together to Florida from Wisconsin, where you told me right where to go using TomTom... Every turn, and you even managed to work where I had no cellular signal in the Mountians.. And I did not even need to buy you an external GPS "puck".. You did it all yourself without any outside help. When I was low on gasoline, you knew right where I needed to drive to.. When we stopped at motels that had free Wifi, you helped me check and reply to emails, and even IM people on yahoo and aim.. Then when we finally got to Florida, you were the first thing in my hand to call everyone to tell them the great news... You were there at Disney world to snap a quick picture of the family and the fun we had there... and even told me what the weather had in stock for me each day..
When I was at work you were with me... If I had to kill some time, or were just bored, we could play Ka-Glom or Call of Duty to pass the time.. And don't forget the time we played with your emulators.. There was more than once while waiting for appointments in offices and such that there was a crowd that formed aroudn us while we played Super Mario Bros 3 or some SNES game at full speed... You would never let me get bored.
If I needed some information, you surfed the internet like no other before.. I could choose whatever browser I was in the mood for, Skyfire, IE, and others... People would have their iPhones and such, but they had nothing on you... You has a 16gb storage card so you could keep up.. But your internal browser was compatible with orb so I could also access ANY of my 300 additional GB of movies, TV shows, music, and whatever else I had on my home computer... We used to love to play the game "Anything your phone can do, mine can do better". And when I just wanted to sit back and watch a movie, you screen would tilt up to the perfect angle for me to set down you down on the table and watch... And with my stereo bluetooth Motorola S9 earphones you came through loud and clear over distracting background noises!
There were rough times too... I flirted more than once with another... We can not forget when I set you aside and was seen out another.,.. But I always came home to you and learned my lesson... My son even fell in love with you and had to go otu and get one just like you as well... You may have aged some over time.. the shiney metallic layer on some of your front buttons may have flaked off... You may not be the newest and latest that is out there... But I know you are the best... You are the one that has stuck by me for these few years, and I hope many more. I know others have long since abandoned you for a Fuze or whatever the current flavor of the month is, but I will be with you until the end..... Or until I can afford a Touch Pro 2 (just kidding, sort of)... Thank you Tilt for all your hard work... I would not be the same without you..
You proud owner,
Todd in Wisconsin USA
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your kaiser says he wants to you to boot him in android..so you can use the gpu he has but hasnt used much yet.

Teej53214 said:
but I will be with you until the end..... Or until I can afford a Touch Pro 2 (just kidding, sort of)
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That just says it all...

try an iPhone and you will **** your pants.

See, for me, the Kaiser was an enormous disappointment. It's an ever-so-slightly better phone (you know, making phone calls) than my Apache, but everything else about it was worse. The hype machine said Kaiser would solve all my problems, but in the end, it was pretty much the same, but slower (damn, you, AT&T).
Now that my Kaiser's given out on me (I'm running on a loaner Kaiser ATM), I'm VERY EAGERLY anticipating my Touch Pro 2 coming to replace it when AT&T finally gets their act together.

ChumleyEX said:
try an iPhone and you will **** your pants.
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Ya, I will **** my pants because it would suck so bad....

I think iphones are ok, but still love wm best

I don't think ill ever go back to a WM phone, at least not until they make it as comfortable as the iphone.

ChumleyEX said:
I don't think ill ever go back to a WM phone, at least not until they make it as comfortable as the iphone.
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The iphone is fast but it lacks customization, and the UI isn't as informational, functional or productive as windows mobile 6.5. I don't want icons with side scrolling pages... but large text scrolling down..and being able to customize the UI within the OS. Windows might be lacking in speed and in feel but I think they got down the hard part down 1st in the mobile phone/device..once they mimic iphones speed and overall feel..its pretty much done for apple.

ajclai08 said:
The iphone is fast but it lacks customization, and the UI isn't as informational, functional or productive as windows mobile 6.5. I don't want icons with side scrolling pages... but large text scrolling down..and being able to customize the UI within the OS. Windows might be lacking in speed and in feel but I think they got down the hard part down 1st in the mobile phone/device..once they mimic iphones speed and overall feel..its pretty much done for apple.
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If you jailbreak it you can do lots of customizing..
Winterboard FTW!!!!

Wow... How did my love letter to my tilt become an iphone topic? *cough TRAITORS cough*

The original reason for this thread was to see if anyone else would share their fond memories of their Kaiser.... So, anyone want to share?

Dancing with the devil
My friends,
I have to say when I saw this topic I too thought things in Wisconsin must be direly dull. But I have to say, The Tilt was a revelation for me. For the past two years, I have used and loved my Tilt. I have enjoyed trying multiple renditions of WM6.X and have enjoyed bricking my phone on more than one occasion. But trouble's a-brewing. I got a new Itouch for my birthday and have to say I am enchanted with all that it can do. Now when you add in the thought of being able to make phone calls out of the same device; well, I'm strapping on a pair of Depends in preperation of ****ting my pants.
Though you all may deny it, I know that you have all gone to an AT&T store and played extensively with an Iphone. I have too. And now that I near the end of my contractual agreement with AT&T, I find that I am duly ready to <I>UPGRADE</I> to an Iphone. I know that some people fell out of there rolling-chair when I said upgrade, but the intuitive-ness of the device is undeniable. It knows me as only a lover could. Will I miss the WM world? Absolutely. But I have to beleive that there are wonderful forums for the Iphone just as there has been for the Kaiser and the Hermes and the Raphael.
So watch out clean pair of underoos, i am preparing for a true colon-blow! Soon I will have an Iphone and will retire my Tilt to the top shelf of my tech-storage closet; never to see the light of day again.
Good-bye my friend.

you are da man bro
you da man bro. my Tilt was broken for 2 months..hadda cracked screen..i gotta replacement screen from Hong Kong for $25 and replaced it myself and now we are back in action. reading your post brought back sweet memories of my Tilt and I...i can't wait to see where I take this baby next. I live in Milwaukee and this tiny city just wasn't the same without my Tilt.
good man.

Stu_Can_Sam said:
My friends,
I have to say when I saw this topic I too thought things in Wisconsin must be direly dull. But I have to say, The Tilt was a revelation for me. For the past two years, I have used and loved my Tilt. I have enjoyed trying multiple renditions of WM6.X and have enjoyed bricking my phone on more than one occasion. But trouble's a-brewing. I got a new Itouch for my birthday and have to say I am enchanted with all that it can do. Now when you add in the thought of being able to make phone calls out of the same device; well, I'm strapping on a pair of Depends in preperation of ****ting my pants.
Though you all may deny it, I know that you have all gone to an AT&T store and played extensively with an Iphone. I have too. And now that I near the end of my contractual agreement with AT&T, I find that I am duly ready to <I>UPGRADE</I> to an Iphone. I know that some people fell out of there rolling-chair when I said upgrade, but the intuitive-ness of the device is undeniable. It knows me as only a lover could. Will I miss the WM world? Absolutely. But I have to beleive that there are wonderful forums for the Iphone just as there has been for the Kaiser and the Hermes and the Raphael.
So watch out clean pair of underoos, i am preparing for a true colon-blow! Soon I will have an Iphone and will retire my Tilt to the top shelf of my tech-storage closet; never to see the light of day again.
Good-bye my friend.
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Actually the forums are crap compared to xda.

ChumleyEX said:
I don't think ill ever go back to a WM phone, at least not until they make it as comfortable as the iphone.
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You mean "dumbed-down" like iPhone
Regarding the previous post of yours:
Did you **** in your pants because you couldn't copy'and'paste, didn't have 3G, didn't have MMS, the only "software" you can use on your iPhone are webkit applets for the browser, and so on?
(I know it got 3G and finally cut'n'paste this year, but that's about all that has changed since I "****ted in my pants" when I discovered how stupid I was to waste my money on such castrated dumbphone )