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TyTN vs TyTN 2 D3D?

Hi iv read a bit about the TyTN2 not having d3d support. And that video etc is lacking from this. But does this make the TyTN better? Or does it have the same problems.
Im just about to order The TYTN2 but i dont want to get a phone that is slower than the one i already have?
Any thoughts?

The original TyTN plays videos better for me using TCPMP. But then again, I haven't done any controlled tests on it, software setup isn't exactly the same, yada yada yada. Still, I really wouldn't recommend the Kaiser. Even if it is faster (which I don't find it to be) it would be so marginal as to not be worth the money.

Is this everybodys opinion?

This is my understanding of the situation. The CPU in these 2 devices is not the same. The original TyTN had no 3D processing hardware. The TyTN II does have 3D processing hardware in the Qualcomm CPU. However it has no drivers for it, so it ends up being software rendered. That maybe also apply to direct draw for 2D video processing.

so at least that means that it eaqualy fast/slow? and that we have the hope that a d3d driver is released?

I'd never buy something with the HOPE that it will get better. You shouldn't base your decision on that. HTC has pretty much stated they have no intentions of providing a solution. Our only hope is that we can put enough pressure on them to make them see things differently. But again, I wouldn't bet on it.
If drivers do come out for it, then the Kaiser will still be there for you to buy later. If they don't, then you haven't wasted your money. What's the rush?

I agree with Blowfish64 and I wish I could go back in time and follow his recommendation a month ago when I bought my TyTN II. My hope right now is that I can trade it or a JASJAM with minimal loss

Im getting the phone for free. Have the TyTN now and am quite happy with it. So if the extra memory is of any help i think ill go for it if it is true that is just as fast as the TyTN

That depends on what you use the phone for. Have you had memory problems? If you're a gamer or play lots of videos then I recommend that you cool it for a while, while praying that HTC come to their senses and release ROM updates enabling the 3D and multimedia acceleration that the TyTN II is capable of.

Is there no other Windows Mobile PDA with the same Qualcom Chip? No chance of copying only the drivers to the TYTN2?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Kaiser was the first one with the MSM 7200 processor so it would have the best chance to receive a ROM update soon.

Well if you're getting it for free, why even ask? Unless you're talking about a trade in. But actually, I just ran a couple of tests with a friend's 8525, and using tcpmp to access the Imageon acceleration of that phone, it definitely plays video way better than the Tilt. If you're running out of memory constantly on your 8525, get the Tilt. If you're looking for performance, stay away. That's all I can tell you.

I can get witch ever phone i like for free. 1 per year. Well if i like the TyTN but would like a faster phone.. with qwerty what would you recomend?
(sure hope its not to late to cancel the order )

Check this thread for a fair review:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347152
As for what you're looking for, there really isn't one. That's the problem. After a few years on the market, the TyTN is still the fastest slide out qwerty around. The eTen m800 will be coming out soon with a faster processor and a VGA display, but I've heard their quality has problems as well.

Guys,
How would you c ompare the Artimis with TyTN2?
Thanks.

Blowfish64 said:
Check this thread for a fair review:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347152
As for what you're looking for, there really isn't one. That's the problem. After a few years on the market, the TyTN is still the fastest slide out qwerty around. The eTen m800 will be coming out soon with a faster processor and a VGA display, but I've heard their quality has problems as well.
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Yes, the M800 may be a good device, but with a VGA display, I hope there will be a 2D/3D accelerator inside, or it may be slow. I had a X50v with its onboard 2700G accelerator, and the VGA display was very fast. But I also had a HTC Universal, with no hardware acceleration, in this case the VGA display was not fast enough for graphical applications (videos, etc... just like our Kaiser wich only give us QVGA for the same speed than the Universal !).

It's pretty obvious now what the specs of the Tytn III are going to be...

Now that we know the specs and looks of the new Raphael device, which is the successor of the Titan(mogul) line (which is the clone line of the Tytn line), we can already guess the specs of the Tytn III, to a high level of accuracy.
So, in essence, the Tytn III is going to differ from the Tytn II, in that it will have a VGA screen (still 2.8"), and will feature a slicker design where the front surface will be one plane (like the cruise), probably with pointy corners, smaller depth and lighter weight.
Hardware video acceleration is still an unknown.
That's basically it.
Is it enough for an upgrade ?

vga alone is enough for an update for me. Also HTC said they would never again not include video drivers for their future phones. if this is true I'd be more than happy to give them another go.

There's still too many unknowns at the moment, I don't think it's possible to judge just yet. The all important drivers will be a major, major issue for some - this device could be absolutely stunning in performance, or it could be just a small increase on the Kaiser (if at all), we just don't know.
I think, after what happened with the Tytn II, a lot of people will be waiting for real world comprehensive hands-on reports before they consider an upgrade. Too many people got their fingers burnt on what they assumed would be in the current model.

xcom923 said:
Also HTC said they would never again not include video drivers for their future phones.
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Did they, really?? All I remember is an offish, wooly statement to the effect that undisclosed future devices would probably be more video-centric, I don't remember any solemn promises about what all future phones might have. The way you word it makes it sound as if HTC were actually apologetic or admitted fault in some way, and that's certainly not the case!

We also can't rule out the possibility that if the Tytn III comes with a video driver, than it will be possible to port it to the Tytn II.
The Tytn II with hardware video acceleration will be a totally different device too...
The 2.8" screen is a *tiny* screen. I'm not sure how much VGA is going to add to the overall experience on such a tiny screen... but on the other hand, video acceleration is going to be a big thing.
I'm simply annoyed that I'm going to spend money on the Tytn III mainly to get a feature I should have gotten with the Tytn II - hardware video acceleration. This is just not fair.
If the Tytn III does not come with the driver, there is no way I'm upgrading though.

HTC is a bunch of douche bags. They have either forgotten or never understood how to deliver on cutomer needs. If the TyTNII adds video acceleration (which is still a big question mark) and VGA it will not imo be a worthy upgrade. I just paid $700 for this TyTNII! Honestly, I think ppl need to get out of the mindset that we need to let HTC nickel and dime us to death with little upgrades and big disappointments. I might have to wait a little while until 2009, but I want my next device to be based on the Nvidia APX 2500. Look into it, that chip is sick. Hopefully I will be able to say "bye bye" to HTC for good.

Noam23 said:
Now that we know the specs and looks of the new Raphael device, which is the successor of the Titan(mogul) line (which is the clone line of the Tytn line), we can already guess the specs of the Tytn III, to a high level of accuracy.
So, in essence, the Tytn III is going to differ from the Tytn II, in that it will have a VGA screen (still 2.8"), and will feature a slicker design where the front surface will be one plane (like the cruise), probably with pointy corners, smaller depth and lighter weight.
Hardware video acceleration is still an unknown.
That's basically it.
Is it enough for an upgrade ?
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I think the big question is, would anyone buy another htc device again... frig, I'm still waiting for the proper video drivers for the tytn 2!! and the problem with the video drivers is not going to be solved once they come out, the big problem facing htc is that we had to wait how friggin long to get them!!!
anyway, if apple comes out with a iphone with everything people want (the iphone 2, or 3 ... maybe 4), htc will end up making nothing but low end cell phones to just survive... keep an eye on htc's stock the next time a new iphone comes out.
So to answer your question, no I'd never upgrade to another htc unless they get their sh*t together. ...would be great if htc gave us fools that bought the tytn2 a trade in / upgrade!

any idea when it might be out?

It will probably get announced at the beginning of May, with the rest of the new HTC devices, and be released at September, same as the Tytn II and I.
So to answer your question, no I'd never upgrade to another htc unless they get their sh*t together. ...
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margatenj,
They will never release drivers for the Tytn II, it will not be economically wise for them to pay the fees retroactively, for a soon to be a discontinued model. Many people who never bought HTC before will love to buy the Tytn III with video acceleration drivers. It is going to be a huge hit for newcomers who don't know or don't care how HTC fu%@ed up their customers in the past.
And let's admit it, some of us current owners will happily upgrade to the Tytn III, even if the only difference will be the inclusion of hardware video drivers. It's not like you lose all the money on the current Tytn II, you ebay it, but there is still going to be some $400 difference...

my guess is that Tytn III will be almost identical to sonyericsson Xperia.

You have to understand that the Titan and Tytn lines are identical. The Tytn III will look identical to the Raphael.
I'm willing to bet money on this (if anyone wants to lose his money, that is).

Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
The resolution thing would be nice though....Excel sheet really need more screen estate

VGA screen and no drivers..... o dear.... o no.... imagine the speed.. probably 4x slower than the kaiser.

Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
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I don't want to wach movies on my Kaiser, nor do I want to play 3D games.
All I ask is that once I open the hardware keyboard, the screen will shift from portrait to landscape, *instantaniously*, at all times.
Without hardware video acceleration, this is impossible.

Noam23 said:
I don't want to wach movies on my Kaiser, nor do I want to play 3D games.
All I ask is that once I open the hardware keyboard, the screen will shift from portrait to landscape, *instantaniously*, at all times.
Without hardware video acceleration, this is impossible.
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Sure you don't.... but my guess is that the other 90% of geeks over on this board DOES want all that....which isn't very realistic.
And IMHO it's neither realistic to expect an instant (as in 0,000 seconds) switch of orientation from an OS that has gotten almost as big as Windows98 over the years... I think a lag of about two seconds is at least acceptable and realistic for a device that was developed throughout 2006.
I do agree that every thinkable technical advance is very welcome. And in case of forthcoming VGA devices also very neccesary to keep that lag acceptable...
As for the geeks; get an iPhone...a PSP...or whatever...
And since your location nor device is disclosed from your profile....i must just assume your using a crap ROM...maybe get another?

And since your location nor device is disclosed from your profile....i must just assume your using a crap ROM...maybe get another?
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I'm using NoThrill's 6.1 ROM for my Kaiser. One of the fastest ROMs available.
Yes, sometimes the lag is 1 second or less, and at other times it's more.
This frigging lag causes me many times to skip opening the keyboard altogether if the message isn't long, and just type with the stylus.
Hardware video acceleration provides a totally different experience than software acceleration. Try to use your desktop computer with software video acceleration and tell me how you like it, even for the most basic things like rendering 2D images of the interface.

Noam23 said:
This frigging lag causes me many times to skip opening the keyboard altogether if the message isn't long, and just type with the stylus.
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Then i guess everybody has quite a different treshold of what to define as an anoying lag.... Personally, i never ever use the onscreen keyboard, i always use the hardware keyboard and keys, and to me the rotation of about 1,5 secs is perfectly acceptable
To me the TyTN II has all i could need for the foreseeable future, and new devices with VGA are nice (aspecially for browsing and office apps), but in no way worth an upgrade. Just plugged in an 8Gb card today , and i'll get WM 6.1 as soon as the official one is there, and then i'll keep running this until 2010 or till it dies...

Moaske said:
Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
The resolution thing would be nice though....Excel sheet really need more screen estate
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...Im pretty cool with the II Even watching TV through Slinbox is ok enough for me. It'd be nice if the III went onna diet and slimmed down some and had some more onboard memory but how much more is that gonna cost me?? Still it's one powerfull little device..IMHO

fizzie said:
...Still it's one powerfull little device..IMHO
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Amen! brother...

"Tilt 2" Discussion

I haven't seen a thread on this yet as the news was just released so I need to figure this out.
Here: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/07/01/att-roadmap-leaks-out/
and here: http://www.geardiary.com/2008/07/01/att-roadmap-for-2008-blackjack-3-wi-fi-blackberry-curve/
From the article:
AT&T Tilt 2 due Q4 - Specs below:
Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional Edition
Tri-band HSDPA (3.6); Quad-band EDGE
Qualcomm 528 MHz processor
256MB ROM/ 128MB RAM
3.0 MP camera
WiFi; Bluetooth 2.0
PTT; AGPS
VSC (at launch)
Also good news from the article:
AT&T Tilt 6.1 upgrade due in July
So my question that I'm trying to get figured out is whether or not this "Tilt 2" is the Touch Pro/Raphel? Tilt 2 would indicate that the screen can tilt (common sense draws that conclusion anyway) like the current Kaiser can. All evidence of the Touch Pro indicates that it does not tilt. This "Tilt 2" also lists a 3.0mp camera while Touch Pro is a 3.2. Also, this article lists 256 ROM / 128 RAM and all evidence I've read on the Touch Pro/Raphel has said it will have 512 ROM / 228 RAM. I am going to be pissed if the GSM version of this phone only has 128 RAM. Thats what our phones have now! Plus it's going to have to run touchflo3d!? Give me a break.
Please give me some insight into what you guys think.
Touch Pro specs: http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Touch-Pro-phone-p_2879.html
UPDATES:
7/23/08
Touch Pro confirmed for ATT?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410945

idk but it would sure be nice if we could break out phones and get it replaced with the Tilt II. or atleast get some sort of cheap discount on it by already owning the Tilt.

godfa7h3r said:
Also good news from the article:
AT&T Tilt 6.1 upgrade due in July
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hmmm, i bet there is a leaked version of it available now. Lets see if we can find it.

Raphel coming to Att i think i just wet myself
This is going to be a great summer after all.

redbandana said:
Raphel coming to Att i think i just wet myself
This is going to be a great summer after all.
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Check the specs they don't match up

I'll repeat and stick with what I mentioned on the ATT forums:
...and then again they said the upgrade for the 8525 was anticipated to be the same time leaked info was brought out and to our suprise, it wasn't even close. Who knows about the upgrade for to WM6.1, but i'm really looking forward as to seeing which device ATT picks up: the SE X1 or the Raphael. I'd personally like to see the X1 with it's slicky design and nice SE features. The Raphael looks great but i'm hearing a lot of problems with the TouchFlo3d on the Diamond (the Raphael will only be better than the Diamond in a few aspects like the keyboard). When i saw videos of the X1 on Youtube, their technology looks crisp and amazing, but then again we could see otherwise.

kareem9nba said:
I'll repeat and stick with what I mentioned on the ATT forums:
...and then again they said the upgrade for the 8525 was anticipated to be the same time leaked info was brought out and to our suprise, it wasn't even close. Who knows about the upgrade for to WM6.1, but i'm really looking forward as to seeing which device ATT picks up: the SE X1 or the Raphael. I'd personally like to see the X1 with it's slicky design and nice SE features. The Raphael looks great but i'm hearing a lot of problems with the TouchFlo3d on the Diamond (the Raphael will only be better than the Diamond in a few aspects like the keyboard). When i saw videos of the X1 on Youtube, their technology looks crisp and amazing, but then again we could see otherwise.
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HTC developed the X1 for Sony, just saying...

redbandana said:
HTC developed the X1 for Sony, just saying...
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Yea i'm aware of that. The X1 still has some nice advantages over the Raphael such as the 3 inch screen.

HTC build the X1 for Sony Ericsson (not Sony) - they didn't design it or write the software. Just saying.
Aside from that, it's pretty obvious that "Tilt 2" is the Touch Pro. "Tilt 2" is the natural working title for the product which is, internally, the direct replacement of the Tilt. It won't be called that when it hits the shelves, for the simple reason that try as they might, AT&T won't be able to make Raphael tilt. They'll just have to come up with another catchy consumer name for it (like, erm, "Touch Pro").

im not gonna ever consider buying the phone until someone tests quake 3 on it. then test for a touch screen bug, then test some emulators, and finally test the video performance.

You and those games lol

Based on those specs, I can't see a Tilt2 being a Touch Pro. If those specs are correct, a Tilt2 wouldn't hardly be worth the upgrade. Only a faster processor? Damn... my battery doesn't last that long as it is. I can only imagine what kind of battery life (or lack there of) a Tilt2 would have.

GWelker62 said:
Based on those specs, I can't see a Tilt2 being a Touch Pro. If those specs are correct, a Tilt2 wouldn't hardly be worth the upgrade. Only a faster processor? Damn... my battery doesn't last that long as it is. I can only imagine what kind of battery life (or lack there of) a Tilt2 would have.
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HERE HERE, WELL SAID

Watch it be the same phone with an upgraded cpu and the front camera and still no driver.

Boinng said:
HTC build the X1 for Sony Ericsson (not Sony) - they didn't design it or write the software. Just saying.
Aside from that, it's pretty obvious that "Tilt 2" is the Touch Pro. "Tilt 2" is the natural working title for the product which is, internally, the direct replacement of the Tilt. It won't be called that when it hits the shelves, for the simple reason that try as they might, AT&T won't be able to make Raphael tilt. They'll just have to come up with another catchy consumer name for it (like, erm, "Touch Pro").
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What makes it so obvious? As stated before, based on these hardware sheets the only improvement is a faster processor. If you compare the Kaiser to a Touch Pro (not this "Tilt 2") there are much more improvements than simply a faster processor. The Touch Pro doubles the RAM and ROM, it has a 3.2MP camera rather than a 3, and I know this one is not listed but it also has a VGA screen. If I was writing up the specs for the "Tilt 2" you better believe I would have included the fact that it has a freaking VGA screen rather than QVGA.

Right
So we're saying that HTC have developed a barely upgraded version of the Tilt especially for AT&T, that's really sucky and a year behind the competition, while the rest of the world and every other network gets the Touch Pro?
Yep, that's more believable than a couple of misprints in an internal document.

Regardless...
I know for a fact that the Sony Xperia is coming to AT&T
That's the device to have. Same RAM/ROM as the Touch Pro. More storage on the device in fact.
Better screen. Could care less about the touchflo 3D and a 10 hours of talk time. Count me in.
What you fail to realize is that with the smaller nanometer chips the battery's are able to last longer then the current devices that we have. Yes it's a faster chip and it's also has far less power consumption as the 7200 chipset.

AllTheWay said:
Regardless...
I know for a fact that the Sony Xperia is coming to AT&T
That's the device to have. Same RAM/ROM as the Touch Pro. More storage on the device in fact.
Better screen. Could care less about the touchflo 3D and a 10 hours of talk time. Count me in.
What you fail to realize is that with the smaller nanometer chips the battery's are able to last longer then the current devices that we have. Yes it's a faster chip and it's also has far less power consumption as the 7200 chipset.
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Is this based on what you think or some inside connections 8)?

kareem9nba said:
Is this based on what you think or some inside connections 8)?
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Just based on common knowledge. 65nm tech consumes less power. The X1 whitepaper says it will last 10 hours on GSM and 6.5 hours on UMTS (talk time).

AllTheWay said:
Regardless...
I know for a fact that the Sony Xperia is coming to AT&T
That's the device to have. Same RAM/ROM as the Touch Pro. More storage on the device in fact.
Better screen. Could care less about the touchflo 3D and a 10 hours of talk time. Count me in.
What you fail to realize is that with the smaller nanometer chips the battery's are able to last longer then the current devices that we have. Yes it's a faster chip and it's also has far less power consumption as the 7200 chipset.
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Dont tell anyone about the X-1 comming to AT&T my tech department at AT&T is supposed to keep that a secret, your going to get all of us in trouble

Kaiser/Tilt worthy upgrade?

Any Tilt or Kaiser owners plan to upgrade to the Touch Pro 2? Does it seem like it would be a significant upgrade? I'm curious to what you fellow Tilt/Kaiser owners think...

I have the Tilt and have not upgraded to the Fuze. I was waiting for the next big thing that ATT was potentially was going to bring over and it seem like this is it. I love the device's design in every aspect; looks amazing physicaly. What i don't like is that they stuck it with a 3mp camera (and removed flash!). I absolutely love the 3.6" screen. Basically, i'm pretty sure i'll be upgrading (i saved my contract upgrade and rejected the Fuze for this reason).

Yeah, I'm going to buy Touch Pro2, the reasons why, larger screen, better hardware, 5-row keyboard, looks very very cool, more finger-friendly.

iphone. if lack of a hw keyboard is not a deal breaker. After owning 2 winmo phones (currently using a tilt) and modding many other peoples iphones, i can honestly say that the iphone is superior in usability/apps/stability. after drooling for a touch diamond and then hearing my friend say its laggy after he bought it, was a real disappointment. Microsoft is really behind the curve in the mobile sector. Thinking about selling my tilt for iphone now. Might wait till winmo 7 to come out before purchasing another winmo phone. For the record i'm a pc guy and i think apple products/fans our generally pretentious and kinda douche-ie (not all though).

Not sure about the Touch Pro2. I rarely .. if ever use my keyboard. I am waiting on the HTC Topaz for ATT..... drool.

I'm probably gonna go for the TP2. 800x480 screen!
They only issue i see with the device is that they've removed the d-pad.

HTC looks like they've put every good feature into this device, from FM Radio to TV Out. It looks perfect, and although a faster processor or a DPAD wouldn't hurt. And a 6.5 upgrade sounds good as well. I am certainly getting this phone.
Dave

good thing i passed on the fuze too...The Touch pro 2 will definitely be up there on my next phone list...And this will probably be the real successor to the tytn ii...I think it also matches the specs we had a few months back on the then phantom "TILT 2" that never showed up...until now...

TP 2.... is it worth sniffing at?
Does anyone know if it'll have proper 3D and 2 D DirectX and Direct Draw drivers included? I'm not wanting a HTC customised menu so much as full native support of the built in hardware within the operating system and parts thereof such as Pocket Mediaplayer itself. I'd like to use video playback without having to slash the frame rates and/or resolution as I have to with my Kaiser (even under TCPMP).
I'm concerned to read that although it has GPS support, it doesn't appear to list what software is provided to use this in the UK/Europe. Does this mean that it could be the TP all over again with HTC refusing to acknowledge any GPS problems that may crop up? Without a tried and tested native GPS app bundled with the device, it won't be one for me.

I'm very tempted - but I think I'll have to wait until I actually can put my hands on one in a shop to decide. I fear I will find it too large and/or thick for my liking. The Tilt is thick, but small. The iphone is large to the point I feel mixed with regard to the size in the pocket/screen comfort balance, but at least is thin. The TP2 will be large AND thick. And it loses the DPAD indeed, and I use that a lot

only a few people think it would be a worthy upgrade?

What's that saying, once bitten....
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If those who currently have Kaisers (or TPs for that matter) get a feeling of déjà vu with the 'finished' product and its shortcomings (video drivers, keyboard performance, GPS time to lock and any lag, important bits/features missed out etc) then yes, you are correct. HTC need to learn from its mistakes and provide a product that actually meets peoples needs fully and reliably if they want those who've already been stung by them to part with cash on a new HTC product. Many people here have already said they'll never buy another HTC product due to all the problems they've had so you get an idea of the extent of feeling about such things!

I'm planning to get the TP2
- Higher resolution big and wide screen
- Larger battery
- Faster processor
- More internal memory
- 5 row keyboard
- TV out
- USB OTG
- New TOUCH FLO 3D with larger soft menu screens
- WM 6.5 (when HTC will make it available)
I'll miss:
- D-pad
- Jog wheel
- Buttons!

Flying Kiwi said:
If those who currently have Kaisers (or TPs for that matter) get a feeling of déjà vu with the 'finished' product and its shortcomings (video drivers, keyboard performance, GPS time to lock and any lag, important bits/features missed out etc) then yes, you are correct.
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Or, there are people like me who are really happy with the Kaiser, and for whom it would take something really good to warrant a change. As said, I'll see the TP2 when it's there, but until then I don't plan to change at all.

If the cookers start cooking good roms and it can be unlocked ok then yes it looks lovely

Buy a diamond ?

Hey all.
Today, you would be a diamond 1 or HD/Diamond 2 ?
Iv'e heared diamond 1 is slow, and her touch sceen is crap.

Well, depends on how you look at it. Of course the phone can be slow and such, but with minor tweaks to TF3D and to the registry, you can get the phone real smooth. Out of all those you said, I would pick HD because it got a 3,5mm jack and a bigger screen

Dont get a Diamond 1. You'll be investing un old(er) tech. I would get a Diamond 2 or TP2. I'm using a BB Bold at the moment which i prefere to the Diamond.. I'm sticking with RIM untill WinMo 7 comes out natively on devices.
If the previews of the Zune HD are anything to go by then Win Mo 7 will be worth the wait and i'll be ditching RIM in a heartbeat as they just dont have the same quality of software base available possibly due to restrictions of what memory is available to programs whilst there running. But, what they do well is the basics you'd expect of a communications device. Email, phone calls, even the mp3 player is much better sound quality than on my old Diamond
The efforts of the ROM cookers on this forum is excellent and Im sure MS are taking on board comments from web sites like this but a chef is only as good as his ingredients and the ROMs being leaked at the moment are full of bugs.
This is obviously just my own opinion on the subject though

i prefere the diamond 1 its cheaper , cooler , got the look , have a lot of developers here , alot of ROMS , does not have any manufacture problems like the diamond 2 or the pro 2

Aqrab, what manufactues problem are you talking about??
Artieq, iv'e didnt meant about the screen size. iv'e heared its a fingerprint nightmare...and also it have poor battery life.
I can get diamond 1 in 225$, and diamond2/HD in 480- 500$
spikeuk76, what are you talking about ?
"Dont get a Diamond 1. You'll be investing un old(er) tech. I would get a Diamond 2 or TP2. I'm using a BB Bold at the moment which i prefere to the Diamond.. I'm sticking with RIM untill WinMo 7 comes out natively on devices."
What TP2 is ?
BB bold?
RIM?
WINMO 7 ?
Well, now i need to decide between the diamond 2 to the HD. it's a very hard decision

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its cheaper , cooler , got the look , have a lot of developers here , alot of ROMS
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Yeah, that also were the main reasons for me to buy a D1.
D2 has a bigger screen, more RAM, better Cam, microSD card slot and a battery with more capacity. If you need one of these and are willing to invest much more than the D2 is your device.
In my opinion the D1 runs very smooth even with demanding apps. Remember also, D2 has the same chipset.

fwmone said:
Yeah, that also were the main reasons for me to buy a D1.
D2 has a bigger screen, more RAM, better Cam, microSD card slot and a battery with more capacity. If you need one of these and are willing to invest much more than the D2 is your device.
In my opinion the D1 runs very smooth even with demanding apps. Remember also, D2 has the same chipset.
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Hello
I'm gonna make alot of skype calls (wifi) with the device
The device can't replace music player like COWON D2+
Same chipset? what? and the hd have the same also ?
It's not that i need to add alot of money to buy the hd/diamond 2.
I'm afraid the diamond 1 will be slow, fingerprint nightmare, and bad battery.
I think the best for me will be hd/diamond 2.

Well, you are right about the battery life and fingerprints, but the phone itself IS SMOOTH AS SILK (for me).

Well diamond1 is in different level compared to D2 & HD because is a lot cheaper and have less ram and rom.
So between thous two I would go for diamond 2, because it's little smaller than HD, and other specks are the same, except the HD has 3.5 jack & bigger screen.
So it's depends what you like - need, bigger screen 3.5 jack, get HD, I like a little smaller device, that could comfortably fit in my pocket, so I would get D2!

Yeah, its alot cheaper, i can get diamond 1 in 225$, and diamond2/HD in 480- 500$.
But diamond 1 has few bad things that has been fixed in hd and d2, don't you think so?
Anyway, i don't know if i need a big screen. i will mostly use it to make fring (skype) calls, and in 4-6months, i will use the software teamviewer that will be released.
I will not use the device for playing music, because the cowon d2 from what iv'e heared, have better sounds quality.

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I'm gonna make alot of skype calls (wifi) with the device
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Wifi is an absolute battery drainer. D2 has indeed 200mAh more capacity but also a larger screen. You might wanna go with the D1 HTC 1340mAh "extended battery". Although that one requires another back cover which makes the devices thicker.
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Same chipset? what? and the hd have the same also ?
It's not that i need to add alot of money to buy the hd/diamond 2.
I'm afraid the diamond 1 will be slow, fingerprint nightmare, and bad battery.
I think the best for me will be hd/diamond 2.
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HD also features the Qualcomm chipset.
From what I and many others can say the D1 runs perfectly smooth - but yes, it is a fingerprint magnet (as will be D2/HD) and its battery is small. I bought a second one but only for heavy usage (eg navigation on the bike). Otherwise it offers me a reasonable lifetime even when listening to music for hrs.

Hey
lol why buy other device when you can just buy an HD/diamond 2
I think i will go over the diamond 2... i will see it in a store and then decide.
thank you.

Hello all,
I have a lot of Problems with this VPA. Now it makes all, but not what I want. After a start it runs fine, but after a Hour it makes silly things.
I will now try a lite Rom or anything else.
Thanks a lot to all hard Workers on custom Roms

today i sold my diamond. thx foe god...i just wanna thx to all xda members who helped me modding and ypgrading..but after i saw the iphone, tired that famous multi touch...i just sicked and tired of changin roms, etc...
hope one day when winmo will have multi touch, changable rongtones and such litle things i will back to htc devices...
cheers...

Can't comment on multi-touch, but pretty sure every Windows mobile device I've had since my first Magician has supported changing ringtones, in fact I actually found the adding of ringtones to be more hassle on the iPhone than it ever was on any of my Win devices. (I recently sold my iPhone 3G in favour of getting a new Windows Mobile device)
Just been offered the Diamond for free on a £20/month contract, so seriously considering going for that unless something else is available