Having discussed the Diamond with my mate Mark, (he got his from inkino on Friday) I realised that theres no thread by/for people who think its perfect, so I has gotten the impression that it was not that good from all the bad threads (wifi is crap, no gps connection, sms problems etc.).
So, if you think the Diamond is great, please post here, so all us guys without them can get a balanced opinion. And say if youre using a cooked rom, or have applied tweaks or something.
Rory
I got it on Thursday, not Friday.
I just haven't experienced any of the problems that others are reporting apart from the battery heating up when charging off a computer. The battery life is fine (I haven't got below 71%, despite taking it on several day-long adventures), the GPS is good, and TouchFLO 3D is at least twice as fast as TouchFLO. The screen is also more responsive and the detail on it is simply amazing. Wifi seems fine, the accelerometer is really handy, and I have far more RAM and storage space than I need.
There are other great hidden extras too, like the good startup speed. Nobody seems to mention that.
I was worried like you as well because of all the threads .
Battery
Took off charger this morning at 8am its now 20:37 and Im at 60% .. Have had several calls and text messages , have used wifi and GPS with TomTom without charger -- short journey.. Pretty much your average day really.
This is the 3rd charge and each time there is in an improvement.
The size is excellent , not too small and not to big. The screen is second to non . Excellent in and outdoors.
The speed is great . The lag on the menu system I personally think is ment to be there as it fades your last screen out but its like 1 second !! I can live with that
memory is a bit disapointing but I have installed all my apps on the HDD and all run very quickly etc.
Battery does get warm under charge but then most batteries do as they peak ..
Hmm not sure what else to right so will leave it there
batery life is really su*. i thought atom life shuld be a worst. but great diamond got 1st place.
What's up with your battery? I've never used more than 29% of mine, despite subjecting the device to reasonable use for an entire day between each charge. Maybe your battery is dodgy.
Mine's Great
Battery life - came off charge at 04:00 a.m. - taken/ made about 20 mins of calls,
Calls are crisp and clear both ends
Speaker is a bit tinny but passable on something this small
Camera is passable
push email on all day,
Took 3 contact photos
about 1 hour of wifi (50/50 you tube and browsing net, note that I had wifi on the best performance setting).
TF3D is responsive and easy to use
GPS (I only use google earth) is quick and accurate
Device is incredibly light and thin considering what is packed inside it
Only slight negative is some memory leakage (about 10Mb over 24 hrs after which it seems to stabilise) although I should stress that this has never resulted in any noticeable slow down.
I have ROM 1.35 no tweaks
The last phone that impresed me this much was my very first WM device - the imate Jam
IMHO - nothing comes close to the Diamond -
but then, one man's meat............
Oops forgot to mention
ref previous post, battery on 40% at 09:29 p.m 17 hours after last charge
only got it for about a week.
Development of ROMS seems to be going fast like hell
1.37 rom is great
tflo3d very fast, no hangs, no bugs, fantastic usage of phone
gmailaccount in mail nice downloading every 15 min
work:
synching exchange via vpn twice a day
oggsyncing google calendar with device calendar twice a day, so all calenders are synched. Contacts are in exchange too, usefull.
GPS works like a charm, opera rocks, I really like the 'zoom' function.
Phonekeyboard goes perfect when smssing.
Battery is quite perfect, holds on more than a day with 1 hour of calltime, 20 min of gps and fiddling around a lot.
And well, like I had with all WM phones, they work great with my Parrot.
In fact, I got everything that I need in this device.
And, as mentioned at first: development is going way fast, so it can only get BETTER
rorydaredkign said:
Having discussed the Diamond with my mate Mark, (he got his from inkino on Friday) I realised that theres no thread by/for people who think its perfect, so I has gotten the impression that it was not that good from all the bad threads (wifi is crap, no gps connection, sms problems etc.).
So, if you think the Diamond is great, please post here, so all us guys without them can get a balanced opinion. And say if youre using a cooked rom, or have applied tweaks or something.
Rory
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You must be kidding, right? The HTC Touch Diamond ist very likely the best WM6.1 device made by HTC so far BUT it is by far away from being perfect, not even close to it.
Yes, I like using it (ROM 1.37.707.1) but Touchflo3D sucks performance-wise(or is it the crappy touchdisplay implementation compared to the iPhone) but it looks very very nice, so does the Touch Diamond itself.
Reception isn't too good too, pretty weak in fact, especially HSDPA reception.
Call reception(voice on the other end) is very good though.
I have very mixed feelings about the Touch Diamond. While it may be one(if not THE) best WM device on the market(the Samsung i780 is more powerful), it is NOT the best (smart)phone on the market. It looks beautiful, nicer than an iPhone for example and it is well built but again, this isn't everything which is important for a good phone.
So if you want to run a thread with glorifying the Touch Diamond, do so. Don't expect however people like me who are using a good dozend of new phones at the same time to agree with your opinion(proposal).
The Touch Diamond is a nice phone, no doubt about it. Perfect? NO WAY, not even close, sorry to disappoint you.
P996 said:
You must be kidding, right? The HTC Touch Diamond ist very likely the best WM6.1 device made by HTC so far BUT it is by far away from being perfect, not even close to it.
Yes, I like using it (ROM 1.37.707.1) but Touchflo3D sucks performance-wise(or is it the crappy touchdisplay implementation compared to the iPhone) but it looks very very nice, so does the Touch Diamond itself.
Reception isn't too good too, pretty weak in fact, especially HSDPA reception.
Call reception(voice on the other end) is very good though.
I have very mixed feelings about the Touch Diamond. While it may be one(if not THE) best WM device on the market(the Samsung i780 is more powerful), it is NOT the best (smart)phone on the market. It looks beautiful, nicer than an iPhone for example and it is well built but again, this isn't everything which is important for a good phone.
So if you want to run a thread with glorifying the Touch Diamond, do so. Don't expect however people like me who are using a good dozend of new phones at the same time to agree with your opinion(proposal).
The Touch Diamond is a nice phone, no doubt about it. Perfect? NO WAY, not even close, sorry to disappoint you.
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ofcourse is not perfect (yet, i might add) but i am also fed up with post bearing the title "this" or "that" sucks! look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2315506#post2315506
and here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401182
as i said it before, less than a week ago:
I am looking forward to:
- The first xda-dev made ROM.
- The extended battery Pack.
- OS Android or WM 7.
In conclusion: give it a chance, you'll might like it
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now, we allready have 7-8 ROMs to choose from.
its just a phone, dont take it to heart.
nothing is perfect!
jasjamming said:
its just a phone, dont take it to heart.
nothing is perfect!
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true, but for me it´s the best phone available as of today.
Hamudi2000 said:
true, but for me it´s the best phone available as of today.
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Best Windows Mobile phone? Maybe. Best phone? I highly doubt it.
Best 4 Me
I have tried Iphone, Nokia N95 Sony Ericcson, LG KU990. For me, none of them are a patch on the WM phones and of those, the Diamond is the best I have had so far. It comes down to a matter of personal preference at the end of the day.
Some will love a given device, others will find it "so-so" others will hate it. Take the iphone for example: I have a friend who swears by his, myself who thinks it is OK but prefers WM and another friend who sent hers back after a week because she couldn't get on with it (problem with fingernails not working on the touch screen!)
dude....
quote of the day.....
We come to love not by finding a perfect pda, but by learning to see an imperfect pda perfectly
crash74 said:
dude....
quote of the day.....
We come to love not by finding a perfect pda, but by learning to see an imperfect pda perfectly
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Bro.....that is so true
Right heres my opinion on the Diamond...
Ive had mine since Sat...didnt have much of a chance to play around with it thanks to the battery dying out...my fault really as i didnt charge it fully but nevermind and i also blame my gf who was desperate to see me so i left the usb cable at home...so the battery drained and i couldnt use it till yesterday when i got home and put it on charge.
Anyways my first impressions were that its a bloody nice phone, small and thin...in fact even my bro was impressed with it. But i wasnt that impressed with the performance Touchflo3d was slow and laggy...remember ive got the official uk diamond which runs 1.37 rom stock. So i wasnt that impressed with the performance etc but after doing some of the tweaks in the tweak thread...OMG!!!! this device really started to shine...it was much more snappier and responsive, well alot more than without the tweaks...still wouldnt say its perfect though but given time im pretty sure the guys in here can sort out alot of the minor issues.
I like the phone, the more i use it the more i fall in love with it so originally i was thinking of sending it back today for a refund but to be honest??...nope im keeping it...its a brilliant device if you can live with the niggles/quirks it has. Im coming from a symbian phone, nokia n95 8gb and this phone is as good as that one although ill be honest...there are a few things that i miss from that phone but the way i see it is that its a learning curve for me.
The only major issue i have with the phone is the battery, it far too weak for this sort of device...god only knows why HTC didnt pack a higher capacity battery...yes yes i know there will be soon extended batts for the Diamond but really it should have come with a higher capacity battery. The thing is that this device is quite powerful so HTC really dont have an excuse other than to make more money.
Really other than that im liking the phone alot...i think it has alot to offer..its just a case of HTC tweaking their roms or the devs in here doing their thing with the roms available. I never thought id be saying all that above about a WM device...i did have a WM5 device a few yrs ago but god almighty that was just simply rubbish...at least WM6.1 has come a long way since 5 in my opinion.
Hi all,
This is my first post on xda-developers. I've also come from an S60 background and in fact have modded/helped build the community at n95users<dot>com for over a year. This is my first WM device since the IPAQ 5550, back when we only dreamed of our PDA's being able to make phone calls, even when HP put that little SIM card slot that did not work in the back of the 5550 - as if it were a taste of things to come. But anyway, enough nostalgia - Symbian is behind me now, at least for a while. Here is what I think about the diamond.
For those that might be considering the purchase, I don't think you will be disappointed. This device does pack a pretty serious punch, but it also lacks in a few areas. Let's not try and flog a dead horse, but yes the battery is sub-par and not suitable for this device. After owning an N95 I feel as if I can't get the device I want without having to compromise on the damn battery. That aside the Diamond does indeed shine and probably sparkles in the right light. The screen is nothing short of blowing me away every time I look at it, the GPS is super sensitive (I'm locking on to 12 satellites in about 15-20 seconds, and TomTom 7 runs amazingly), and the touchFLO 3D interface is nice but is also functional. It can be jerky at times but unless I'm mistakened, I do believe this can be fixed with some software optimisations and some registry tweaks I'm going to try once I finish writing this. I start a new job shortly and we'll be using Exchange (bye bye Lotus Notes ) so I'm looking forward to testing push email functionality and other productivity features. The web browsing experience is GREAT, and the readability of web pages on the 640x480 screen seriously blows me away. In fact I'd have to say so far I guess the screen has impressed me most - I don't think I will ever get tired of looking at it, and I will NEVER own anything from here on in that has anything less in that department. There really is no going back. Running a remote desktop session at 640x480 in my hand is a real treat!! If only it would support the accelerometer and let me flip it to landscape mode... The YouTube client is great (bit slow though? - or is that the memory leak I wonder) and the scrolling little menus and being able to do most things with the swipe of my thumb is something that is growing on me very fast. All in all I wouldn't hesitate recommending this device to anyone who uses it in a similar fashion to me, and I'm doing new things with it everyday!
Here are some things I would have liked to sweeten the deal:
- A flash for the camera.
- 3.5mm headphone jack, or at least an adapter in the box!
- More powerful battery...
Unless any of the above is a deal breaker for you, and all but the flash can be worked around, or fixed, then I would not hesitate in getting the diamond if you are that close to a decision, but don't expect it to be perfect, because nothing is!!!!
Thanks for recommending, I've order mine geting it tommorow.
Am coming from N95 8GIG. For my next smartphone i just couldn't be bother with N96 with same old QVGA.
Looking forward to my new toy.
salada2k said:
Hi all,
This is my first post on xda-developers. I've also come from an S60 background and in fact have modded/helped build the community at n95users<dot>com for over a year. This is my first WM device since the IPAQ 5550, back when we only dreamed of our PDA's being able to make phone calls, even when HP put that little SIM card slot that did not work in the back of the 5550 - as if it were a taste of things to come.
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Ahhhh, that brings back memories! I remember selling my h3970 and paying an arm and a leg for the h5550. It sure was a glimpse of things to come.
Related
I am getting my Tilt in the mail on monday, and am wondering what everybody wishes they had known to (or not to) do when they first unboxed it and did the initial boot.
Should I skip the AT&T bloatware, or is it really not that horrible to deal with? Should I play with settings and the tweaks, or should I just not waste my time and flash the thing? Should I do a rain dance before putting the battery in, in hopes it will hold off the red led?
Oh, and I am coming from a wizard that I have flashed no less than a dozen times, and have gone through every UI i can find (legally or not). And am VERY impressed with the latest pointui release, which may or may not find it's way onto the tilt the day I open it.
Thanks!!
If your comming from a wizzard then you are bound to find out that your wizzard was faster. the Kaiser is slow in different areas and lacks Video Drivers.
From the Kaiser I've learned what COULD be accomplished with a PPC, and how fast it could be, but it isnt quite there yet...
cbass said:
I am getting my Tilt in the mail on monday, and am wondering what everybody wishes they had known to (or not to) do when they first unboxed it and did the initial boot.
Should I skip the AT&T bloatware, or is it really not that horrible to deal with? Should I play with settings and the tweaks, or should I just not waste my time and flash the thing? Should I do a rain dance before putting the battery in, in hopes it will hold off the red led?
Oh, and I am coming from a wizard that I have flashed no less than a dozen times, and have gone through every UI i can find (legally or not). And am VERY impressed with the latest pointui release, which may or may not find it's way onto the tilt the day I open it.
Thanks!!
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1. Expect problems when purchase of an HTC product.
2. Expect that not all features advertised will be 'used' by HTC.
3. Expect HTC denial (gov't style)
4. Expect HTC to turn away mumbling "yea, we got yo money sucka"
5. Expect your complaints to HTC to be met with contempt and insults, along with instructions on how to shop for a device. (remember, you have all the rights of the average citizen of China when purchasing from that nation regardless of your normal custom of shopping in your respective homeland.)
6. Expect HTC to offer advertised feature to be implemented on future product.
7. Expect EOL on HTC product to be 1YR after purchase of 2YR carrier contract.
8. Expect that HTC can get away with what Palm could not.
9. Expect shooting pain in 'bung hole'.
10. if carrier_contract=completed goto 1.
nuff said...
Never buy HTC!
My Tilt still treats me fine..... Yes, drivers would be nice but for everyday use, I couldn't have gone wrong. Waiting to see what the official WM6.1 will hold.
You are gonna have fun!
I personally would leave it alone for 30 days so you can get a base line.
Bill
iPhone will be my next phone if the next HTC product isn't better.
your gonna love it
I just got my tilt last week cuz I got drunk and lost my wizzard.
first let me say your going to love the tilt
no more of that A-GPS crap now you've got real gps
also 3G which is so so so much faster
oh and there is this panarma feature that is realy neat
somethings I wish I know and imo are notwqorthy
the keyboard FN keys are totalls different but that's just getting usto
commercial eing from thw wizard I bet your usto scrolling with scroll bars well in the titlt u can grab and scroll tuff to explain but think of it like moveing a physical peicse of paper in front of you up and down
I would kep the att rom for atleast a week cuz u get some nifty applications like mobi tv xm ssatileite radio trail for 3 days each
lastly gogle maps atleast for me sucks gmaps like forgets I have a gps after like 1 or 2 minutes I hate to say it but M$ live is far superior the gps part is acurete and updates very nicely
ps
don't forget to run the quick gps location under tools before using the gps
quick gps downloads where the satellites are in orbit for faster aqusition time
I belive if u don't do this the gps has to search and find em but doing this it knows and just has to connect
my 2 cents on the tilt hope you found this helpful
mikeeey said:
If your comming from a wizzard then you are bound to find out that your wizzard was faster. the Kaiser is slow in different areas and lacks Video Drivers.
From the Kaiser I've learned what COULD be accomplished with a PPC, and how fast it could be, but it isnt quite there yet...
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Pure bollocks.
I've had a Wizard, Hermes, and just got a tilt a week ago.
I can personally say the tilt/kaiser is WAY faster than the Hermes, which was way faster than the Wizard.
Dutty's wm6.1 non-cube rom is great. No hard resets. In fact it hasn't locked up on me once.
What did I learn about my Tilt
I've learned several things about the Tilt in general:
Considering I've come from a MIO P550 GPS/PDA and an ATT Razor v3m, the Kaiser is a suprisingly good compromise between the two.
The GPS is far more accurate (though I have yet to find an affordable and decent map solution) than the P550;
not as good on picking up a usable signal as the V3 (but not bad either).
Battery life is a little better than the MIO P550 PDA.
Screen's smaller but plays video a hell of a lot better than either the V3 or the P550.
Definitely lose the AT&T bloat ware...most of the non subscription stuff you can get to from Media Net anyway. Besides I don't use half of it anyway.
I used SPB Pocket Plus on the PDA, it works just fine here too.
Bluetooth...the bane of the Tilt's existence. Call audio sucks and Voice command doesn't work over the headset (yeah I know there's hacks out there). I'm hoping if and when the official WM 6.1 for ATT comes out this will resolve.
RLOD - So far I've been blessed, but the thing is still under warranty so chances are it'll happen one minute after that warranty expires...(Murphy's law doncha know...)I know where to go to fix that little mess and possible problems.
Overall, I'd say I'm satisfied with the Kaiser/TyTnII/Tilt, it does exactly what I want it to, when I need it to. Like many products I've experienced, it has its quirks, but it also has its charm too. I'm half tempted to flash to Dutty's WM 6.1 for ATT, but I think I'll just wait (for a very long time from what I hear) for the official HTC release.
I <3 my tilt all day long! So yeah, I can type out a whole sentence before the first letter is displayed, that doesn't mean my tilt doesn't <3 me back. Or does it?
On a serious note, I think the tilt is great and yes there could be video drivers, but that was so 2007, I have learned to love it even with its flaws.
GPS owns!
Among the first things I would do:
Find the Bluetooth audio quality and microphone hacks.
Get rid of Cyberon, and get MS Voice Command 1.6.
Find the PTT Button Remap hack, and map MSVC to it.
Find the hack for One-Button activation of MSVC from BT headset.
This has made all the difference for my use in the car, the office, and on the jobsite; I don't have to touch the phone to use it, which is as it should be!
First off: change your rom. much faster, more usable.
what did i learn?
well tilt was my first pda and first phone with a physical keyboard.
i learned:
_xda community is a great place
_3G is not all its cracked up to be. At all.
_physical keyboard is not at all more accurate than my ipod's touch keyboard. No lie.
_if I have wifi, im def gonna be browsing with my ipod touch. faster, better, and much easier.
_i would buy another htc product, but not until they get their sht straight. hopefully soon.
_Dutty is a your friend
_touchscreen is not touchscreen if it doesnt have multitouch (unless you use your stylus, but who has time for that?)
Wish i had know of the driver issue b4 getting and 18 month contract 6 down 12 to go ....
I wish my hermes would have lasted longer..... damn white screen!!
What have you learned from your Kaiser?
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That I need eye surgery to read the damn thing! Seriously, although these (older) eyes are getting worse by the day, I am very happy with mine.
That they don't like being dipped in Castrol Synthetic 10w/40.
What I have Learned:
Tilt NEEDS to be tweeked out from unboxing to become user friendly. (IMO)
Reading on this site (Wiki and ROM threads) helps you tweek your phone how you would like it. Radio's work differently for different people in different areas.
Every ROM is different and can be custom fit to your prefrence by searching or asking questions in the CORRECT thread.
There are many helpful people on this site so watch the way to respond to people and their answers. Always say thanks!!!
You can accomplish anything with this site (I have been on here since Oct. 07' and I have never started a thread!) I just have common sense to know where to post
Have a great day!
~22~
p.s. P1 but the Castrol Synthetic 10w/40 helped the keyboard right....lol!
What did I learn?
Not to buy a HTC anymore. It promises a lot and delivers less.
Although I am not unhappy with this device it never gave me what I expected after reading several reviews. It is slow, heavy, bad camera, etc.
I had hoped that HTC would be a bit more customer focused.
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TyTN II.. Is great!
-GPS
-Keyboard
-Tilting screen :O..
-Video Drivers (o.o?.. ok no no Video drivers).
-400 Mhz!!..
-2 cameras
-Poor performance of principal camera on dark places.
-Fully Customizable : D!
-3G.. (here in mexico that means: "videocalls Dude!!")
-HSDPA (Unlimited data plan and you get Fast Broadband Internet Connection On The Go! .. use it with your laptop )
-A2DP !!
-WiFi..(when you dont have Unlimited data plan !)
-I said Tilting screen already? :O
-MicroSDHC.. (that means 32gb of Memory.. or Multiple memory cards ..)
-Office
-MMS
-SMS
-Push to Mail
-PTT
-Voice Commander!! (its funny ear your phone read your sms's!)
-And more more more...
The only thing that it needs is the Prover video Drivers...
And because of that many people is saying things like that
"Not to buy a HTC anymore. It promises a lot and delivers less."
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or
"my next phone will be an iPhone"
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But yes.. TyTN II is a Very Expensive Phone ...
but has a lot of good things...
also is smaller than another Phones with its characteristics...
so for me its great ..
and yes i Wish they would put in it Video drivers!!!
Hi guys,
im an orange customer and I'm for a an upgrade next Thursday. I was hoping to get a Touch Pro, but they dont seem to be bringing that out just yet on Orange so my alternative is the diamond.
I have heard lots of horror stories on it being very laggy and un-responsive due the the lower hardware specs. this with the un-ability to use any MMC Cards was one of the reasons i was routing for the pro.
They have now released a new rom and this has improved things a lot i hear but of-course there is not upgrade for the orange rom other than using a cooked one i assume as the HTC official will not work.
my question... If I go for the Diamond, am I downgrading to much... should I just be patient and wait ? would you say its a worthwhile phone ?
Thanks for you replies in advance, and this is an opinion thread, no flaming someone for their opinion necessary. my spelling well thats another matter ....
While the TouchPro is definitely more powerful than Diamond, I have bought Diamond recently and don't have any performance or usability issues so far. I am using the ROM that came from Telstra and am quite happy with it but I suppose over time, I would still go to try out some cooked ROMs as I have been addicted to flashing with my Hermes for the last 2 years.
To be short: If you don't need a qwerty keyboard and if you don't need more than 4GB storage, buy the Diamond. Nothing else comes close.
All the negative things you've heard about like slowness and such can be solved by installing a custom ROM like SwiftBL 6.0. My Diamond is not only fast, it almost flies.
The screen is the best on the market, the interface is great, GPS is excellent etc. etc. etc.
The Diamond is the PDA better than I ever try to date ...
I abandoned my P3600 move to this concentration of technology and style and I have not yet repented ...
The battery does not last much, but on the site HTC sell at a price not excessive plus the battery.
I had heard about the slowness in response and fluidity of TF3D, but even without resorting to custom ROM, just act with a registry editor on the registry, change some value and that's it ... now is my finger that is not behind the TF3D.
If I may advise, order!
I'm sorry to ruin, but the device is slow.
Before the diamond I had an i-mate jam running windows mobile 2003SE, which should be slower than the diamond, it has
an 400MHz Xscale cpu but the OS / phone way more responsive.
In the diamond it takes me few clicks to answer a phone call, also few seconds to disconnect one also the random freezes.. oh the freezes.. jezz
this driving me crazy when I hit the START button and it takes ~2 seconds to understand..
(And yes, I use dutty's cooked rom V1.7 1.93 which is considered the fastest)
There are good things of course, like the screen which is perfect, the built in GPS which works flawlessly and the TF3D interface
which I hope some time will work faster..
Meanwhile, I still hope I would be able to install Android when it comes out.
Btw, the screen might be perfect but I've also had an iphone, and its a different touch
experience, the multi touch points on the screen and no pen needed to work around are great.
One more annoying thing is the mini-usb.. very pointless, why not to use the regular standard usb port :\
Overall, I'm not too happy mainly due to the performance issues.
WM6.1 is too heavy for this phone, imo.
I had the same issues, but with 1.37 ROM. I was quite disappointed until I upgraded to 1.93 ROM. Those just can't compare, everything is silky smooth and runs really really fast. Now I'm soo glad i bought the phone, it works flawlessly-TF3D and WM6.1...of course thanks to this brilliant forum!
Bottom line: With minor tweaks and some patience you will be more than satisfied with the device. I was sold to the design, now I am to the WM too...
Even if I remove the TF3D interface its still less responsive than needed so I dont know what are you talking
about and I'm also running 1.93 dutty's ROM v1.7.
The whole thing feels like VISTA vs XP in performance terms..
It depend if you are luky or not, my father has a diamond too and had problems with 1.37 and now with the 1.93 he has a lot more problems. For me that was realy good with the Rom 1.37 and now impossible to use GPS updates with the 1.93; two phones and two diffrent experience. Impossible to use Skype in phone to phone over IP but great with PC to phone. Now there is a lot of tweaks realy usefull and this phone is great with a long battery life (if you use what you need when you need). I hope that will help you.
@Delusionz
I really feel sorry to hear that, mate. I am now on the official WWE 1.93 and it's just another world compared to the previous. Everything seems the way i like, which is also great thing with WM, cause lots of things are customizable(+all those performance tweaks which are great). For instance, if i click Start button, it opens down immediately...no lags whatsoever. On 1.37 it was only question of time...Did you try any other ROMs too?
@dge
I had this quick gps problem too...but on 1.37...now it's all fine...i guess we mean the same thing...but long battery life is not its plus...with some tweaking 2 days...maybe 2 and 1/2 days...of course with medium to low usage...
this is not a chat room
every week somebody starts a thread like this...every week.
there is plenty of reviews on the net (try google) and plenty of threads on this subject.
here you have a small collection of related threads. i searched using the word opinion and i got: personal opinions, comparisons with iPhone, comparisons with omnia, problems, why some ppl love their diamond, why some hate it....lots and lots of info!!
try and search the info you need. read! read! this is not a chat room!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419563&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415151&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408477&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414619&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411682&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402458&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398786&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411791&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411830&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400304&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411478&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402321&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409022&highlight=opinion
no its not a chat room but....
a forum to discuss
chill out.....go have a cup of tea or something
Some of the alleged "slowness" is inherent to all Windows Mobile devices. 4 years ago, WM phones took 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. Now, after all this improvement, they still take 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. This is not Diamond's fault, but rather Microsoft's.
Where Diamond shines is in comparison to other WM phones on the market, not iPhone. If you want extreme speed, buy iPhone. If you want business features with extreme speed and don't need touchscreen, buy BlackBerry Bold. If you want Windows Mobile, but the Diamond. Simple as that...
thanks everyone for there opinions and advice if. Its one of the reasons i like this forum as "most" people are friendly and happy to give advice.
Im not an Iphone man, this will be my 4th HTC and 5th WM device so i understand all to well the slowness of WM and if the mutterings i heard were just concerning that and not the device hardware then i think im sold.
I think i will miss-out the SD Card Slot and TV-Out of the Pro but hey its free! I cant argue to much.
Thanks Again,
Check this out:
Plenty of happy owners.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415852
IMO best phone out there by far, and it does not stop there since the phone is new, everyday brings new tweaks and apps that make it even better.
Hi everyone.
I`m new here, and I am very sorry that I don`t read trough the whole forum, I know that answers to my questions are already posted, but here it goes :
I have the possibility to buy the Diamond tomorrow morning, but I need to give the seller an answer tonight.
I never had a WM device before, the most were Symbian phones from Nokia, and I am a little unsecure.
My needs are wi-fi, large screen, nice design, music&video playback, and fluid e-mail. As I know, the Diamond meets these requirements.
Considering all it has been said and done about this device, would you still buy it ?
Thanks, and sorry again for not reading the forum, but I lack the time until I need to give the answer.
I can only give you this: if you want to buy a touchscreen phone, buy one where you won't need a stylus.. I'm starting to get annoyed with this. But maybe cuz I have played around with the Iphone, which works alot better.
Some people still like the stylus, but I don't anymore..
As for WM goes.. I'm tired of the choppy animations.
GPS software and multimedia playback are nice though.. which are the greatest advantages..
It is absolutely necessary to use the stylus ? Isn`t the finger enough ?
I'd say, that u should go for it, if you don't mind the weak battery.
On the other hand there will be the HTC Touch HD coming shortly, so you might want to wait for that one. (To get that one or to get the Diamond cheaper).
Allthough I really don't like the weak battery and it's also quite some work to adapt the diamond to your needs, I still wouldn't like to exchange it against anything else available so far.
You can use your finger with the TouchFlo interface, but the rest not so much. Also typing is not that great. If you use the keyboard, u will have to use stylus. If you use the more finger friendly keyboard, you won't see half of the screen. I just gets irritating after a while. But beside that it is a nice phone (ok, they could do ALOT better with the battery). Good camera, good GPS, good sound when calling. It's complete..
Edit: I just remembered, like when ur going through ur contacts, it is very hard to flip or scroll. I think that's just WM, because Resco File Explorer works nice..
Thank you for your answers.
So for usual tasks ( looking for contacts, making calls, ) the finger is enough, right ? Texting and other stuff, with stylus.
Also, are there apps for reading e-books ? Like mobipocket on symbian ?
Does the phone freeze sometimes ? Or acts erratically ?
Considering that I actually like to "play" with and tweak devices, maybe I will give it a try.
If anyone wants to give other advices, please feel free.
Lots of tweaks and playing around with it.. Especially thanks to these forums! It is possible to use ur finger for usual tasks, so go for it.. texting is possible with finger, but because of the screensize and the big size of the keyboard, it is much better to use a smaller keyboard and use stylus..
monty99 said:
Hi everyone.
I`m new here, and I am very sorry that I don`t read trough the whole forum, I know that answers to my questions are already posted, but here it goes :
I have the possibility to buy the Diamond tomorrow morning, but I need to give the seller an answer tonight.
I never had a WM device before, the most were Symbian phones from Nokia, and I am a little unsecure.
My needs are wi-fi, large screen, nice design, music&video playback, and fluid e-mail. As I know, the Diamond meets these requirements.
Considering all it has been said and done about this device, would you still buy it ?
Thanks, and sorry again for not reading the forum, but I lack the time until I need to give the answer.
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come and think of it
diamond
1-weak battery life
2-using GPS the battrey only last 2 to 2:30 hour and the device goes hot
3-using wifi also the device goes hot
so you can say the weak point on diamond is the battery and need radio upgrade
im saying you a nokia fan im shore you now how to use Symbian phones SO
how about baying n96 or N95 8GB it has everything you want
N96
1-big screen
2-wifi
3-16 GB internal memory and micro SD slot
4-a lot of game and apps
5-and of cours your favorites OS
so the best choice for you is n96
hope i help you out
im a Windows moblie os fan
and sorry for my english
As I live in the UK the concept of actually buying a mobile phone is quite alien to me as you can get pretty much any phone for free with any monthy contract above £20 per month!! I certainly wouldn't pay the prices that the TD is sold for £400+.
Having said that, smartphones are far more flexible and usable than the 'dumb' phones from the likes of se, Nokia, Motorla etc. From my experience Symbian and WM are both showing their age and are a little unstable but WM easily beats Symbian and with the TD Touchflo 3D interface it looks good too.
The only real problems with the TD are the camera (good resolution but very poor in low light conditions) and the battery life (great for low usage but will drain really quick if used for music, web etc.
The phone is far smaller than a N95/N96 and the majority of other smartphones so when you consider this the battery life is actually not bad.
If you do get the TD make sure you upgrade the ROM. Lots of XDA members will recommend using a cooked (custom) ROM, but for a beginner using the official 1.93 version will result in a fantastic user experience and you can always use a cooked ROM when you become more experienced.
Forgot to mention that ROM 1.93 also resolves the issue of excessive heat coming from the battery compartment.
I`m not really a Nokia or Symbian fan, but those are the ones I had in the last couple of years As long as it works ok, I don`t really care if it`s WM, Symbian, or something else.
The N95 or the N96 are not in my taste, as far as design goes.
Yes levellerbob, in a lot of countries, there is a very nice policy regarding cost of cell phones on contract from operators, but as I`m not that lucky, I need to know a lot of things before I pay Still, thanks for all the advices.
If I decide on the Diamond, I`ll be on this forum all day everyday
monty99 said:
I`m not really a Nokia or Symbian fan, but those are the ones I had in the last couple of years As long as it works ok, I don`t really care if it`s WM, Symbian, or something else.
The N95 or the N96 are not in my taste, as far as design goes.
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if that so go for the diamond
ah and dont forget to see the diamond pro maybe you will like it
Hi,
Note: Anyone who votes and replies, can you please post the current result of the poll in your reply as well. (so that people who don't have the mobile in their hands yet - like me - and can't actually vote in the poll can see the results too...)
So... you've got an Xperia, eh? You lucky dog!
I bought mine the Friday before last - i.e. on the 25th, and am still waiting delivery. So while i wait, i thought i'd ask from you - the proud (or not) owners of Xperia... "In a nutshell - Are you Satisfied with your Xperia?"
If you are the owners of or have owned Touch Pro prior to Xperia, then cast your vote here as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441550
Leave comments if you want.
Best Regards,
Salman Khalid.
msalmank said:
Hi,
So... you've got an Xperia, eh? You lucky dog!
I bought mine the Friday before last - i.e. on the 25th, and am still waiting delivery. So while i wait, i thought i'd ask from you - the proud (or not) owners of Xperia... "In a nutshell - Are you Satisfied with your Xperia?"
If you are the owners of or have owned Touch Pro prior to Xperia, then cast your vote here as well:
Leave comments if you want.
Best Regards,
Salman Khalid.
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Yes I am satisfied.
the best smartphone on the planet right now
Hell yes, definately the best phone ive had! Looks good, well made, couple of minor issues but nothing major. Ask me again in 6 months
is Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and is too bad because now everyone will know that sonyericsson is really the best.
Despite the initial dissapointment with panels I am very happy. I use the SPB panel for everything and occassionally trot the others out for showing off (fish, music & movies) or a quick google search.
For me the keyboard is nice with easy to access shortcuts and everything works like it should. There are some incompatibilities with my favorite software (S2U2 barely works and is overridden by both panels and sliding out the keyboard) but other than that it runs as fast (touch pro) or faster than any other WM ppc I have ever used!
Phone Signal - Strong
Internet access - Very Quick
GPS - Fast (especially with Quick GPS)
Wifi - Strong
Keyboard - No Lag
Battery Life - 2 1/2 days of medium to heavy abuse on a full charge
4 1/2 Stars (Lose 1/2 for panels)
Took my touch pro back due to the GPS lag and changed for the x1 cause I was still within my 14-day period.
Must admit, it was a great decision. I agree with the statement made above, the panels are a little disappointing but im sure things will improve as more panels are developed.
Besides, we should be able to port TF3D and get the best of both worlds.
No GPS lag, Windows seems snappier navagating through the menu's and the phone feels a lot more solid than the pro.
Current voting is 19 - 1
silent_killa said:
Took my touch pro back due to the GPS lag and changed for the x1 cause I was still within my 14-day period.
Must admit, it was a great decision. I agree with the statement made above, the panels are a little disappointing but im sure things will improve as more panels are developed.
Besides, we should be able to port TF3D and get the best of both worlds.
No GPS lag, Windows seems snappier navagating through the menu's and the phone feels a lot more solid than the pro.
Current voting is 19 - 1
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TF3D is already ported
And ofc it's 19 - 1, it's in the Xperia forum after all, if you start it in the TP forum it'll be 19-1 for TP
Very Satisified. It's all I was hoping for. Keyboard is really good and had a fun day today showing my friend everything practically (GPS, Web, Email etc.) all very smoothly. Suffice it to say that she wanted it as well but ain't due for an upgarde until June next year
Still waiting to get mine, will be interested to see how it compares with my Touch Pro (which will probably get the heave-ho once the Xperia arrives I suspect).
Pure ****..
I really regret bying my X1,it is slow incredible buggy and even my Nokia E90 it was ment to replace has more to offer then this hyped "superphone".. Worst of all is the reception whish is far below average and driving me mad, X1 vs stonewall is the most likely ending to this,,,,,soon,,,next time it just lying there looking stupid searching for signal,,, whamm..
nice looking and probably a solid build other then that..
Micke401 said:
I really regret bying my X1,it is slow incredible buggy and even my Nokia E90 it was ment to replace has more to offer then this hyped "superphone".. Worst of all is the reception whish is far below average and driving me mad, X1 vs stonewall is the most likely ending to this,,,,,soon,,,next time it just lying there looking stupid searching for signal,,, whamm..
nice looking and probably a solid build other then that..
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Can you share some of the bugs?
its okay. but not e real milestone.
my x1 is very heavy!its weight is nearly 160 gramms. it feel like a brick.
but it looks impressive. and the display is bigger. but thats all.
the more of ram is okay, but not really feelable.
i miss stereo speakers
hardware video encoder for 640x480 @30 frames
(the videocapture suxx completely!!very blocky and a lot of loss frames!)
answering machine capabillitys. (it`s the same on all windows phones)
tv out????
menus not fast enough. (with tweaked caches too)
where is the g-sensor/motion sensor gone????? the raphael has got one.
its not really better than my htc diamond.
okay, the keyboard its the most important feature, but the phone
FEELS the double of size and weight. so i can wear a mini blutetooth
keyboard in addition to a diamond. thats cheaper.
(its not really the double weight/size, but it feels so!)
the most missing features are realised in the good old nokia n95, years ago.
why can`t htc implement this features? why sony ericsson will use
the f*cking htc cam. in view of the good name of cybershot products,
they lose a lot of reputation.
for 650 bucks, i hoped to become 'the top phone' on market.
but its just a htc rapahael (diamond with keyboard), in y new case
with 2 keyboard keys more, they named one of it X-panel-key. xpanel is just a software,
i can install to any windows phone, and use the button remap tool
and use x-panel by pressing long end of call key.
Don't miss my Kaiser at all...actually don't even know where I put it.
There are some little things with the X1 that could be better but overall this is the best phone I've ever used (and I've used a lot).
The most frustrating thing about owning this phone is how much sleep i'm missing because i'm playing with the damn thing so much
I love it.
Current Voting
Yes 47
No 7
i miss a "yes, but..."-button in the poll.
i am satisfied with my x1, but there are some problems with it.
1. bluetooth turns off randomly
2. optical joystic turns on ramdomly
3. when i install tf3d the x1 gets very unstable and crashes after 2-3 panel changes (even after multiple softresets)
you can share my problems? or you have already solutions to this probs?
thanks & greetz
zmaster
48 yes
8 no
Very happy with the phone haven't had any bugs yet.
However O2 have fiddled with the rom and this has left me with a couple of niggles i.e no google panels and no bluetooth FTP function.
zmaster81 said:
3. when i install tf3d the x1 gets very unstable and crashes after 2-3 panel changes (even after multiple softresets)
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Hardy fair too knock a product because your hacked software won't run nicely on it.
Scott Whitmore said:
Hardy fair too knock a product because your hacked software won't run nicely on it.
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There's always some noob and dumb ass w/ no idea what they are doing.
My x1 is rock solid so far compare to all my previously owned phone so far.
only problems i have arent the X1 at fault.
1. poor reception. its O2 as its fine with my old tmobile sim,
2. opera has issues, but its known to be a beta i believe and a last minute additin to the X1.
technically theres a third, no multitasking the radio but im not too fussed.
Ok, the first thing that caught my eye, was how sexy it was, I was so in love. Wanted it, got it. If that could only work on all the women I love at first sight.
Anyhow, after getting to know the Diamond I found small issues, but no one is perfect so I looked past them. Plus when I take my Diamond out, all eyes are on us. I upgraded her (thanks to Dutty), freed her (unlocked),and even tweaked her (double meaning to keep this theme going).
So why do I still wanna get rid of her, all my ex(s) were Sony Ericssons....and they were all so simple, but not as sexy. My Diamond is the total opposite from what I'm use to, but that' not the problem, the Diamond is getting to complex for my simple brain. There's only so many tweaks I can do to the thing, I have to just realize that maybe this relationship just isn't working out.
Can I get a witness?
Where did you get your charging cradle?
word up... from 3 sonys to diamond and i can't find enough tweaks to get it to work half as good as any of my old sonys
I think one has to have a love hate relationship with most gadgets....if its simple to use, its not customizable enough and if its customizable, you are never quite happy with its current state
Zoolake is totally right.. I customize mine all the time.. Atleast one ROM-update a week.. This ROM doesn't have what I'm looking for, that ROMs perfect, but doesn't have that.. This phone is just uber amazing, extremely satisfying, but somehow.. Yet somehow it's just missing it's simplicity..
I also moved up from an Ericsson.. Damn, that thing was good.. But she's way better, my Diamond.. but somehow.. I don't know.. You know what I'm talkin' about, right?
I'm glad I'm not alone here, thought it was me. Only question is where the hell do I go from here? Xperia? Are all Window 6.1 phones as allergic to simplicity?
Great post!
I've said the same thing about my Diamond since I got it over a month ago.. "Love/Hate relationship". I posted a rant about the Diamond on this forum and others after I got it, and I wanted to throw it away. I went back to my old trusty HTC Touch for a few weeks, but then returned to the Diamond after the New Year. Now I've gotten used to the Diamond and its little issues, and have learned to live with it.
The only problems I still have are -
Sometimes I push the wrong button accidentally when I want to press Left or Right direction ... but I get it right 95% of the time now
TFLO3D is slow and choppy when sliding through tabs (TFLO2D on my Touch was way smoother and faster).. but this is not a big deal
Battery drains like crazy, can't get through an entire day of moderate use. But can be solved by turning off 3G and using Edge instead; and also I'm receiving the official HTC extended battery soon.
Scroll feature (e.g. for zooming in Opera Mobile) doesn't work all the time.. On the same program it sometimes works, and sometimes it stops working.
Form factor (too tall) - Still trying to get used to it, especially for typing, because my original HTC Touch was perfect size!
The biggest pluses for me are:
VGA screen - great for viewing webpages and spreadsheets
Built-in GPS - wasn't working with iGuidance until I ran GpsGate first.. and also disabled Data (I later created a Mortscript that runs/closes GpsGate with iGuidance automatically for me now)
FM Radio!
I think after a while you will get used to it. The Diamond packs so many features into a tiny size, which is the great thing about it.
Ditto on all this stuff. You guys are not alone. I actually loved and hated my Diamond so much that I sold it and then bought another one about 3 weeks later because I missed it too much!!
I basically tolerate its shortcomings for all the stuff I love about it. Ideally, give me the Diamond's specs in the Touch's body and I'd be mega happy.
There's got to be another phone better, do any of the newer HTCs perform any better?
Tbh I felt like this as well from my old Elfin (with Dsixda's ROM ).
BUT, just flash udK's Beta 8 which is super smooth TF3D, battery life WITH 3G lasted me a day easily (approx. 18 hours) with 20% battery left.
If that isn't enough then flash the radio in my sig, ending with .08.
Everything is perfect. Now all I want is WM6.5, hehe.
Dutty's v3.6b is pretty good, speakerphone still sucks, for example is ROM: udK Syrius HD R0 Beta 8 better???? Let the drama begin.
surely this overcomplicated feature (and i agree with you) is down to owning a winmo, and not anything to do with the diamond.
Yes, the phones complicated, if you want it to be. Use it as a phone only (ie just touchflo) and its absoutely fine ! its a normal phone (apart from the standby/lock issue).
Its only when you tinker with windows and apps that suddenly it becomes complicated, but thats the nature of the best. TBH its WHY i bought a smartphone, but yes, i now find it a minefield of tweaks and apps. But, i love it !! i 've never used a phone so much for so long after i bought it. Normally, it'd just sit on my desk. This one i find myself picking it up at least once an hour to mess about with it.
For the last ten years i've just owned a phone. Now, i own something else.
dneknw said:
Dutty's v3.6b is pretty good, speakerphone still sucks, for example is ROM: udK Syrius HD R0 Beta 8 better???? Let the drama begin.
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Try it. I've tried around 15-20 ROMs and this leads by example. I think it's using the ROM base from Iolite, which seems better to me than even the latest 2.03 base, since the battery life with this is just amazing, while TF3D couldn't be smoother.
hey Dsi nice to see you in diamond forum i loved your rom for elf i still run it and its perfect thanks again for it, so one question can u post a short how-to to fix that gps isue wich moust of us have ? thanks a lot
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Hey i read dsixda's rant when he had posted it and being that i trust his comments i stayed away from the diamond until the very day my elfin got upset and fumbled out of my hand into a puddle, just as i was walkin into the rogers plus store to pay my bill. needed a phone so picked up the diamond...hated her for a bit but molded her into my own perfect device...i still dont think she's better than my elfin but she's a damn good rebound lol
So in the end......we ended up breaking up. No more Diamond....I have mixed emotions about it, but you can be damn sure my next baby is going to be hot as hell. Maybe the SE Xperia, or Asus P835. Really hope that all Window Mobile 6.1 devices are not as complex as my last.
i use 6 months before i decided to change from SE K810i to diamond. well, k810i served me good especially the cybershot as i'm quite picture snappy and take a lot of picture. not to mention all java games i've downloaded. heck, until now i havent try all games i have.
i've been using 2 pda before, iPaq rx1700 and after that dell axim x50v and i must say that bringing 2 gadget is quite unfriendly most of the time.
i'm sacrificing the camera for functionality when i went to diamond.
sometimes when i want to take picture, k810i is way much better. you just slide down the camera cover and then snap. when with diamond, you need to on, go to camera and the wait to load.... damn...
still missing my k810i though....