Hello guys!
I have the phone for 3-4 months now, and I used the camera only 3 times.
I noticed that the white color is very bright, and the photo becomes bad (please look at the photos attached). Can you tell me if your camera is having the same problem, or it's only me ?
If it's only me - do you have idea how can I try to fix it ?
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I changed the ROM 3 times /No difference
I changed the brightness/contrast in the settings, but there is no big difference ( the photo becomes better if I use brightness+contrast = max, but still the white is very bright)
both of these images are backlit... this is very hard for the camera to do, because the foreground is a low light situation... try to adjust the angle of the shot to avoid this situation. In the attached photos I have demonstrated what I am trying to say. These are pics of my 20 year old Cocker Spaniel, Sheeba. Notice in pic 01.jpg, her face is blown out. But in the second it is actually better, and in the third (as I move further around her) her face is now clearly visible.
Remember this is a Pocket PC, with a camera chip. Not a camera with a Pocket PC attached. With that in mind, this camera does a phenomenal job!
Hope this helps!
Also it looks like your lens is dirty, and make sure that the blue plastic is pulled off inside the battery cover...
For the picture of the child tilting the camera down more would have helped the light metering compensate better, see all of the area above his head, that is where most of the metering is taking place.
here is another example
You can also try lowering the brightness down to -1.5 or to your liking. It might help a little bit (it does to me)
Thanks a lot for the tips guys!
From what I'm seeing here the Tilt has just bad camera...
My wife has Samsung U600(with 3MP camera) and the pictures are way better than the Tilt ones.I guess I'll just use her phone.
Thanks again for your help!
You should try the camera outside in the daylight with a front-lit subject before you condemn it.... post some pics from your wifes Samsung for us to view then
Here is how the camera would have metered it (photoshop profile) had you not included the area where all of the light was.
The camera does work pretty awesome with the proper lighting...
Notice in the first two, pointing the camera down, so that the car is the majority of the picture, the camera meters for the car, overexposing the sky. Put pointing the camera up underexposes the car, but the sky is brilliant blue, instead of white....
Now I am not saying that this camera doesn't have problems... on the contrary, this camera has a light leak.. which is clearly obvious when every picture taken has the same Spike in photoshop's histogram. But an ounce of prevention, in this case is truly worth a pound of cure! Play with the camera, experiment with all of the settings, find out what you like best. But most important, just pay attention to the screen and move the camera up, or down, left, or right ever so slightly and watch how the exposure changes... It won't take long before you can take great pictures with it!
Oh yeah, and clean that lens every time you use it!
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This is more of a workaround then anything, but if you have a problem with the low lighting = low FPS try this....
Open up your camera, then turn off the screen with the camera still open.
Keep off for a few seconds....
Then turn it back on. Bam! Super fluid motion in the camera lens.
I have no idea why this works. Anyone have ideas?
redsrule2500 said:
I have no idea why this works. Anyone have ideas?
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Not to offend you, but mabe because it's been posted here several times
Just a guess
I've never seen it here...but why does it work????
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I've never seen it here...but why does it work????
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its somewhere in one of these threads
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365345
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367065
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369606
i think that a modertor should put this up on one of the sticky articles..
and in copy and paste the solution onto one of the stickys
wow cool, suprised I havent seen this before thanks for the info
Well, I'm also haven't seen this info before (how could I, the forum is loaded with humongous amount of info and it's virtually impossible to follow it all). But, anyway, this trick working like a charm, therefore redsrule2500, thanks a bunch!
Yes, it does appear to help the lag. Thanks.
Having taken some time in different light conditions I observe the following:
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It does certainly work. However sometimes you need to turn off and on a couple of times.
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If having done the on/off with camera app running trick, you point the camera at something very bright, the lag returns and you have to repeat the on/off trick.
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Doing this trick reduces the cameras light sensitivity. So while it cuts out the lag/blurry focus on moving objects, it also reduces what the camera sees in dark conditions. For example before doing the trick, I focused the camera on people walking down a dark street with one or two street lights on. The people were blurry but the buildings were fine. I then did the trick. The people were no longer blurred as they walked. BUT, the camera no longer saw much of the buildings that were away from the street lights.
So to sum up.
Yes it reduces problems of focusing on moving objects at night.
But the price you pay is that there is a noticable reduction in what the camera can pick up in dark conditions.
It seems to be a trade off and so:
if there are no moving objects in the picture, you are better not to use the trick.
If there are moving objects, you need to decide whether it is more important that they are in focus or whether you want the camera to pick up as much detail as possible. If moving object focus is more important Do the trick.
Mike
oh my God!! it does work!
this is just so awesome!!!! woohoo!!!
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...I focused the camera on people walking down a dark street with one or two street lights on.
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what are you doing in a dark street taking pics of people!?!
haha, just messing with you
i haven't tried this yet (dont use my camera much) but it has been posted before.
have you noticed that all focusand light effects dissapairs? I think it simply removes them, and thereby increasing the pref
Very handy trick. Thanks!
Awww cumon guys!!!
The 3mm aperture we have has to have a certain amount of time to grab the available light (simple terms for CCD charge accumulation!)
SO, HTC put in this thing called exposure control.
Sample time per frame is set to automatically check first seen light levels and set frame capture to best fit exposure/light level.
Try it in a big room at night, swing slowly around to a dark corner and then to a well lit area and you will see the frame rate change.
All you are doing is confusing the intial sample to default daylight.
We have a very basic camera but its a trade off with SPACE/POWER and a few other things.
Farsquidge said:
Awww cumon guys!!!
The 3mm aperture we have has to have a certain amount of time to grab the available light (simple terms for CCD charge accumulation!)
SO, HTC put in this thing called exposure control.
Sample time per frame is set to automatically check first seen light levels and set frame capture to best fit exposure/light level.
Try it in a big room at night, swing slowly around to a dark corner and then to a well lit area and you will see the frame rate change.
All you are doing is confusing the intial sample to default daylight.
We have a very basic camera but its a trade off with SPACE/POWER and a few other things.
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While this is true, it doesn't mean this trick won't be helpful in a few situations.
I've just come back from holiday where I found myself taking quite a few snaps with the Diamond's camera rather than my usual camera simply because it was more convenient.
I don't normally bother with PDA cameras as they're pretty much rubbish but for quick snaps the Diamond's camera is not too shabby. However, I noticed some very strange quirks:-
1. It seems to try and detect the orientation of the camera using the G-sensor and rotates the image automatically. Most of the time it gets it wrong - is there any way to stop it from doing this so I can rotate my images manually? it really messes things up in Album!
2. In really bright light (such as shooting directly towards the sun) everything goes dark blue and grainy. It's actually quite nice (I have a Holga camera so quite into that sort of thing) but I can't think of an explanation for such behaviour!
See attached for an example.
Cheers
Dave
I got a very blueish picture on a bright day (though not against sunlight) too... Though taking a picture inside then yeilded fine colors (well, average quality). Dont know what cause it, must be a flaw in the color metering.
I really wouldnt use the camera for anything other than snapshots or when you dont have a camera around. Even at 3.2mpx like my old Canon A510 (a budget entry camera, hardly anything high end), the Canon beat the living snot out of it. I wont even begin to compare it with my F40fd (again, a budget cam).
Though I must say its much, much better than my old 1.3mpx K600i phone camera, lol.
I've certainly heard that overexposure can lead to a blueish tinge. So you might want to try manually cranking down the exposure and see if that helps next time.
In this case its more than a tint though, there is pretty much no red or green in the image and the contrast is off the charts. Interesting and fun pictures though.
The Diamond camera needs a UV filter as the chip is too sensitive to the high side of the spectrum. Mine is not as bad as yours- and I was taking photographs similar to yours, perhaps there are different back covers that provide filtering- I have the original Diamond cover.
i also had blue pics when taking pics against the sun but with my 4 megapicsel casio camera. last time it happened there where also ppl, (blue) in the pic lol. so, maybe it is not a diamond related problem.
have you tried using the inbuilt setups for exposure?
if i have no other choice an have to use the diamond as a camera i am always take out the back cover. another thing to try
Thanks all for the responses. I actually quite like the blue pictures, and since the behaviour is at least predictable I'm not too bothered. Instant Holga effect
With regards to the G-sensor guessing camera orientation however that is really bugging me. And also I've noticed that the camera on-screen controls don' t flip to portrait mode either.
Cheers
Dave
davew said:
Thanks all for the responses. I actually quite like the blue pictures, and since the behaviour is at least predictable I'm not too bothered. Instant Holga effect
With regards to the G-sensor guessing camera orientation however that is really bugging me. And also I've noticed that the camera on-screen controls don' t flip to portrait mode either.
Cheers
Dave
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Yes, also i am bugged of this. I've take a shoot of a contact image with the PDA in Landscape (the photo was right in this position).
Now i have my friend photo ALWAYS rotated of 90° and, if i rotate the pda, the photo rotate itself and it's NEVER aligned.
Now i can't assign the photo until i don't rotate it by the PC
Exactly - you take the shot and then try to view it in Album. Then you end up wiggling the Diamond around to get the orientation right. In slideshows the orientation is all wrong too.
The only way to fix it that I've seen is to go into the MS "Pictures & Videos" application after taking your shots and rotate each image manually.
Most digital cameras I have ever seen just leave the image alone
Mine is also very blueish (MDA Compact IV here) and it also auto-rotates for me
Hopefully we can find a way to at least turn off the auto-rotation, with some tweaks or new camera software!
The blue-ish tinge in a normal situation is probably just the white balance being off (or overexposure as another poster pointed out).
To get those mad blue shots I had to stand in the surf at the beach and shoot directly at the sun. When I tried the same shot at sunset I got normal colours (though still some vingette effect at the edges).
Attached is a shot from the same day, same place just at sunset.
I've tried all the settings and resolution. I find 640 X 480 to be the clearest. Still pictures are clear. Anything moving in the picture is a blurry mess. Is there a registry hack that improves clearity?
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Wow, an 18 minute speedbump
Please clarify what you have tried, my Crystal Ball is away for Calibration.
(Or do you expect a 300 $ camera in a 600 $ mobile? )
Did you both try the "reaction time" tweaks that are available in Advanced Config ?
this is coming from a photographer. Blurry objects are caused by moving objects in a low light environment. When trying to capture light in a room with poor lightning the camera shutter will stay open longer to capture enough lights for the exposure. This can be corrected by bumping up the ISO or apenture. Since this cannot be done by the camera on the Fuze you can always turn Flash on to compensate for the low light or resting your elbows on a desk for more steady position
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Wow, an 18 minute speedbump
Please clarify what you have tried, my Crystal Ball is away for Calibration.
(Or do you expect a 300 $ camera in a 600 $ mobile? )
Did you both try the "reaction time" tweaks that are available in Advanced Config ?
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I'm coming from devices like the Sanyo M1 (2MP Auto Focus, the best camera phone ever on Sprint), Mogul (2MP decent pictures) and Treo 800 (2MP, really nice pics). All I'm asking is for the blurry pics to be better. I took 20 pics yesterday and 18 of them were blurry. I've tried every resolution setting. Like I mentioned earlier it seems L 640 X 480 pictures seem to be better than the higher settings.
Buy SonyEricsson and you get a camera that can be actually used for something...
Mine takes pretty good pictures, do you hold the capture button to allow the auto focus to do its work and then take teh picture without having much movement. The movement is what i found causes the blurriness. I guess it autofocuses on a spot and then when you move it start refocusing but the picture takes anyway?
BTW my sports and burst mode arent working properly, camera freezes up and have to soft reset. Is the 3mp tweak for these modes to much for the CPU to process
Yes, I hold and press which autofocus then snaps. I understand it something in the picture is moving but every pic? That's not normal. I've been taking pictures with phones for years and never ran into an issue like this. Plus this is suppose to be a really advanced 3.2MP camera. Might have taken a step backwards with this one.
One thing I do is turn the brightness down as far as the camera will let me, this really isn't a brightness control but a shutter speed control, lowering the brightness raises the shutter speed, which allows for faster camera response.
I think the problem is probably mostly that the sensor used in our module has an imaging area of 3.61mm*2.72mm, 4.52mm diagonal.. take a look at the chart here for imaging sensor sizes: http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Camera_System/sensor_sizes_01.htm
Notice how the size of our sensor is below the bottom of the chart.. It's often said that a camera with superior MPixel count will lose to a camera with an inferior MPixel count and a superior sensor.. well, our sensor isn't big enough to be able to take really nice 3.2mpix photos.. without ideal conditions. Then there's that whole thing about using a CMOS sensor rather than a CCD sensor..
One thing I think the camera can do better is that it doesn't seem to be operating in progressive-scan mode.. there's noticable tearing all over the place..
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I've tried all the settings and resolution. I find 640 X 480 to be the clearest. Still pictures are clear. Anything moving in the picture is a blurry mess. Is there a registry hack that improves clearity?
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You can remove the back cover of your phone and take a picture... it does make it better.
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You can remove the back cover of your phone and take a picture... it does make it better.
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I think that is somewhat incorrect. For TYNT II and older phones, yes that would work, since it has a plastic cover over the camera. But for the touch pro and the diamond, it should make little to no difference. I've tried it, and I don't see much of a difference, since it's just a hole. Not covered with plastic or anything.
I had the blurry photos problem too. I just tried it and I haven't played with it enough to confirm this fixes the problem (it seems like it reduces the problem but doesn't eliminate it) but try this:
HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Captparam/
and set
CaptureTimer = 0 (old=5000)
tell me if you see a difference
Two more things to do - go into the camera advanced settings (in the camera itself) and turn off the click sounds and set the review time to no limit. With those two and the change above I think I have a working camera here...
have you done the "white balance" tweak in your settings? it completely gets rid of that yellow look when you take pics indoors. Also theres rumors saying that turning off the shutter sound increases the camera's quality but I cant prove that
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I had the blurry photos problem too. I just tried it and I haven't played with it enough to confirm this fixes the problem (it seems like it reduces the problem but doesn't eliminate it) but try this:
HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Captparam/
and set
CaptureTimer = 0 (old=5000)
tell me if you see a difference
Two more things to do - go into the camera advanced settings (in the camera itself) and turn off the click sounds and set the review time to no limit. With those two and the change above I think I have a working camera here...
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I will try that registry hack.
Here's the 'yellow photo' fix if anyone hasn't seen it yet: http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=951
I think what most people are looking for with regards to photos is not 100% 9mp quality from our phones. I mean, why can't a fix similar to the Tilt's be made?* All I want is a higher FPS in low light conditions.
*Where you can increase FPS (in low light) by running the camera, turning the phone off, covering the lens, then turning the phone back on...
How to make a sharp pitcure:
EDIT: See new post! This one has been erased to avoid confusion.
I tried those tweaks with no success. Pics aren't as blurry but they are pretty crappy. I'm not saying I want 10MP clearity. I just want this camera to be compariable to the devices I previously owned (Sanyo M1 and Treo 800). Right now it's not. I'm going to exchange this device.
Errrr Sorry I stated the wrong registry key. Actually that one does not matter too much. UPDATED version:
1. Change registry key:
- HKLM\software\htc\camera\captparam\Capkeydelaytime = 10
2. Soft reset to activate the hack.
3. Set the capture key of the camera to hold & press.
To make a photo:
- Aim at subject.
- Hold your finger on the round big enter key and wait until the white "[" "]" go green. This might need a slight "touch".
- Shoot by pressing the round big enter key fully.
The problem you're going to run into is the size of the sensor on cell phones in general. You could have a 10mp cameraphone but if they keep the sensor the same size it is now the pix will continue to be crappy.
I will say that the pictures I've taken with my Fuze have been pretty good, and I have really bad shakes in my hands. The autofocus is a huge step forward imo.
Hi
Got my Hd 7 from o2 pay as you go
Am quiet happy with it, but has anyone noticed that the camera is a bit rubbish or is it jjust me
Camera snaps close up are super brilliant. but the moment you try to snap far away subjects its all blurish
Its seems to have a digital zoom which just blows up to picture to distortion
I have noticed that even the zoom function just blurs it up as well
feed back would be appreciated
It's indeed not the best WP7 camera but it's not too rubish also. It should be no more than decent (while to video recording with continued focus is ace) . Can you provide a sample so we can judge ?
There was also a pink-camera isue with an earlier HTC device (can't remember the exact model) and problem was solved with a quick update.
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It's indeed not the best WP7 camera but it's not too rubish also. It should be no more than decent (while to video recording with continued focus is ace) . Can you provide a sample so we can judge ?
There was also a pink-camera isue with an earlier HTC device (can't remember the exact model) and problem was solved with a quick update.
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camera on hd7 does suck... tend to bluish every single shot unless u play with scene mode .... thats one of the reason im trying something else .. maybe focus
Hmm.. do you think that it will be possible that they release an update for this?
Not too keen on getting it if the camera is useless.
I have the awesome pink hue issue with mine... and for the other guy... the other phone with the pink problem was the HD2.
anyone know if this is just the software or is the hardware?
ive noticed too that on long distance shots its horrible on keeping focus of the picture. Though i think that maybe because metering is set to center and it cant focus in that much in the distance.
Though your every day snaps are usually ok for me. No problems with tints or anything and i find the video quality to be decent
I haven't had any problems at all with taking photos on my HD7 - no focussing issues, near or far.
Are you guys half-pressing the camera button to focus first, before pressing it the rest of the way to take the photo?
This seems to be the biggest cause of issues, people not realizing it's a two-stage shoot process, just like with digital cameras.
Note to the OP: Metering is actually light metering and has nothing to do with focussing. If you have metering set to centre, the camera will adjust the exposure according to the brightness of the object in the centre of the shot. If metering were set to "average" it would work out the brightness of the whole frame and set the exposure to that. Nowt to do with focus.
Incidentally, don't forget to ensure the lens is free of dust, fingerprints and other crud as that will obviously make your pics look mushy.
nope i always press on the first stage and let it focus and then press
Hello Evrybody;
I need help about the quality of the phtos? I know that the overall quality of the camera from the HD7 is not very good. But at least i think i don't must have blurry photos.
Did you have any experience about the quality of the photos ?
If someone can tell me if the Hd7 camera is so bad that I can't have sharp photo, it will confirms that i make a bad choice.
BR
Be sure that you barely press the button so that it focuses on your picture, and then click to take it. I've noticed if you take the picture without allowing it to focus it's blurry 99% of the time...
Don't shoot photos in dim light, try to go for bright places. You can also use the "sports" mode under "scenes" ...
Hold the phone with two hands while taking photos, and try to keep it in front of your chest rather than holding it with straight arms, to minimize the hand movement.
Hope these helps.
The light button press, wait and stronger press is the correct way.
A short cut if you take more then one photo, after first photo if it is blurry or if what you see on the screen is blurry just move your hand in front of camera fast.
It will detect movement and re-focuss.
Yeah agree with the others I thought the camera was ****ty, untill I fugured out you had to half press the button to focus and then click full way to take the snap.
Still the camera is not the best, as far away subjects still appear blurish and rubbish in dim light as well.. I wish they update the software or something
Please remember that photo quality will always depend on the size of the lens, the aperture, the CCD sensitivity etc. There is a reason why good quality cameras have big lenses. Have a look at the lense on your phone's camera. See how small it is? How much light do you think actually gets through that tiny hole? And that little pinprick of light is supposed to illuminate the entire sensor array and flood it with enough light to create a picture? Exposure times with such small apertures are horrendous, especially in low lighting, and it's no wonder pictures come out blurry because you are moving the camera the whole time it's taking the picture. Even your breathing moves the camera. That's why people use tripods in low light.
In all seriousness, people need to be more realistic with their expectations of phone cameras. While they remain so small, they will always yield awful pictures, and will only ever be a poor substitute for when you don't have your proper camera to hand.
The best you can do to mitigate the problems is as follows;
1) You're going to have to use the flash in low light
2) Try to get as much ambient lighting on the subject as possible
3) If you can steady the phone on any surface to help keep it stable, do so
4) Remember that half-press to focus on your subject before the full-press to take the photo
5) Try your hardest to keep the phone ABSOLUTELY STILL while taking the photo. Breath out very slowly while depressing the button as softly and imperceptibly as you can
6) Don't use the zoom. It's a digital zoom rather than optical, so all it does is crop the picture, giving you a lower resolution
Remember with a phone you have no control over ISO, Aperture or Shutter Speed so your options are, well, non-existent.
If you really care about taking good photos, try to have your proper camera handy as much as possible.
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First of all I have an HTC-HD2 and recently bought an HTC-HD7.
I don't know if it is a software issue but the photos taken by the HD7 camera are really crap. I have a HD2 running android and the photos taken now are really sharp and beautiful. Even under WM 6.5 the photos turned up really nice. I think the HD7 hardware is similar to the HD2 so it must be a software issue. Anyway the resulting photos in the HD7 are pure crap, no matter if you use 3 hands to hold the camera or lightning conditions. This issue makes the HD7 experience a dissapointing one.
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First of all I have an HTC-HD2 and recently bought an HTC-HD7.
I don't know if it is a software issue but the photos taken by the HD7 camera are really crap. I have a HD2 running android and the photos taken now are really sharp and beautiful. Even under WM 6.5 the photos turned up really nice. I think the HD7 hardware is similar to the HD2 so it must be a software issue. Anyway the resulting photos in the HD7 are pure crap, no matter if you use 3 hands to hold the camera or lightning conditions. This issue makes the HD7 experience a dissapointing one.
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Are you half-depressing the camera button to get focus lock first? Then pressing it all the way to take the photo? If not, it's no wonder your photos are blurry. If you are, see my previous post, above.
many thanks
Hello everybody
first I will thank you all for your help
for conclusion I will say that HTC must rework this part from the software. Wonder if they know all the problems that we have.
We will see in the next month if they change something.
bye bye
Noobs...learn about your phone, then complain...
My pictures come out fine just gotta focus, change the settings for appropriate lighting. It would be easier if there was an on-screen button to take the pic