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Hi all,
I am seriously considering getting one of these after they showed up in a shop here last week. I spent about ten minutes playing with it and was mightily impressed with the TF3D interace and the accelerometer ball game had me grinning like a schoolboy (haptic feedback kicks butt). One thing I noticed is that the main UI seemd to run pretty slow. It took about a second before the screen would slide to a new page when using gestures, is that normal? I suspect that it is probably a problem with the crummy ROM they had (the Chinese ROM's they put on HTC phones here are worthless, the Hermes was unuseable out of the box, which is is what lead me to find the gold-mine of geniuses here on XDA).
Anyway, to make a long post short, does anyone have any issues wtih speed on thier diamond? Anyone using anything other than a stock ROM at the moment? Thanks!
After having played with TF3D a bit (didn't care much for it), I personally use a "Clean" ROM from Panosha or bElite (plain WM61, without TF3D) and it runs very fast and has 70MB free with SBP Mobile Shell.
My diamond doesn't seem any faster than my old artemis. I've disabled touchflo 3D and it's still just as sluggish as any other slower CPU phone.
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My diamond doesn't seem any faster than my old artemis. I've disabled touchflo 3D and it's still just as sluggish as any other slower CPU phone.
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Have You changed your ROM, or is it the stock ROM?
currently using a cooked rom from the Dutty and Tom Project team diamond V2. With the TF3D in that is very fast, but that is due to the loss of some animation. such as side to side sweeping,
but that is something which i can live with.
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(1) ... the accelerometer ball game had me grinning like a schoolboy (haptic feedback kicks butt).
(2) One thing I noticed is that the main UI seemd to run pretty slow. It took about a second before the screen would slide to a new page when using gestures, is that normal?
(3) I suspect that it is probably a problem with the crummy ROM they had (the Chinese ROM's they put on HTC phones here are worthless, the Hermes was unuseable out of the box, which is is what lead me to find the gold-mine of geniuses here on XDA).
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I am still with Hermes, but couple of weeks ago went with a friend to get for him Diamond (from ZGC )
This gave me the opportunity to play with original (English) Rom and Chinese one too. Diamond experience ~4+ hours
(1) I felt the same :
(2/3) No, it is not a problem of the "crummy ROM". Diamond performs very slow compared to my Hermes (customized ROM + modifications). My friend runs origianl ROM and is very jealeous about the responsivness and speed of old TyTN
(3) Yes, after I got the TyTN that was the reason to find XDA-Devs too
- My feeling is the interface on Diamond is tooo heavy, which causes raely slow performance. For me personally this device makes sense after getting some clean rom on it. Well, in case getting the device more on "cool factor" side, I think it is coool - but for working device I still preffer what I have now
(perosnaly prefer to wait for Raphael and X1, and then will make my mind about changing device)
As stated, Dutty's ROM shows significant improvements to the performance/speed/stability/touch-sensitivity of the Diamond. I had quite a few complaints myself, about the poor performance of the Diamond as it was OOTB - but I knew that there most likely would be when I bought the phone.. however, i ALSO knew that there were chefs and cooks in these forums who always impress us with their mad-ass skills in creating the best ROMs in terms of performance 'n prettiness. All hail the Diamond chefs and cooks! You've seriously gotten me falling in love with my Diamond even more.
it Flies
JeeHaa said:
After having played with TF3D a bit (didn't care much for it), I personally use a "Clean" ROM from Panosha or bElite (plain WM61, without TF3D) and it runs very fast and has 70MB free with SBP Mobile Shell.
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I am also using the Panosha Clean ROM and Mobile Shell 2.1 and the phone absolutely flies, it leaves my Cruise for dead. For me this is the fastest Wm6 phone I have ever owned and I have owned a heap of them.
THanks to everyone for all the responses, it's interesting that the TF3D seems to cause performance issues for a lot of people. That also dissapoints me a but as I was thinking of holding out for the touch-pro, but by checking pdadb.net I see that they will have the same processor so can probably expect similar performance issues....is that correct?
Also, I wasn't knocking all Chinese ROM's, there are some awesome ones out there and I have used several for my hermes, I was knocking the crummy ones the guy at my local shop seems to dig up.
Anyway I guess the thing to do is wait for the deelopers here to come up with a fast ROM for these devices that doesn't sacrifice TF3D. I am sure they will figure it out and I wil absolutely DONATE, as should everyone who keeps a ROM on thier phone for more than a few days. THe fact is that our devices would suck without the work of people in the community and we should give something back to those who put down hard-earned money to be the first to buy these phones and then spend the time to make them work for the rest of us. Just my 2 cents....
Hi all,
Finally did it and got myself a Kaiser. Long time Hermes user/supporter.
Im busy reading all the faq's and wiki but what do you suggest i have a look at in roms?
I know CRC's/DVTs were preferential in Hermes dont know enough about Kaiser cooks yet, although i do see a few of the older names that have moved on.
Im in Aus, and this phone is stock so im going to have to do radio as well.
Glad to meet you and hope to be an active contributor here as well.
Try them all, that's what I did... till I settled with one I personally liked. There is no risk involved once phone is completely sim/security unlocked, just time...
Mate,
Enjoy your new phone I did the same change about 6 months ago.
I am in Melbourne and have tried a big selection of the roms available.
Firstly use Kaiser Unlocker to hardspl sim/cid unlock.
Then Jumpspl to change to hardspl 3.56
My suggestion would be try the Garmin1.2 rom or version 2 if it is out when you check.
Try the radio that loads with this rom or
Change to neon 1.65.24.36
This setup works great for my location with no problems that I have noticed..
Have Fun
Thanks Halon,
My 2 specialities was Media Centers and Hermes programming. So I feel and I guess that I am back to noob status
Its great to get a point in the right direction.
Reading the Wiki's and it seems like alot more info/processes than the old Hermes.
Everyones a noob at something.
There is a lot of information here and dare I say it a lot of it can be confusing and a bit disjointed but I am sure with your previous experience with the Hermes you'll be flying real soon.
UPDATE -
Reading vast amounts of information in one night - I have configured the Kaiser with Garmin's 2 ROM!
Halon .. i have done all of your suggestions and everything is working well. (Except for MSVC which slowed down the entire ROM for some reason), Uninstalled that and I am now back to normal. Wierd.
Ill now have to see which of my heremes cabs do work and what cabs dont work ..
Im also looking forward to reading about the video card driver problem .. will have to google that thread.
Cheers all.
TEST (now with a Kaiser)
I did the switch from Hermes to Kaiser about 2 months ago, so far all of the cabs I had used on my Hermes are working on my Kaiser.
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I did the switch from Hermes to Kaiser about 2 months ago, so far all of the cabs I had used on my Hermes are working on my Kaiser.
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I think is better if u use cabs specifiec for kaizer, u can find then in signatures from Senior members or moderators,( like P1tater, Skatdawg, etc) or just ask that someone is going to point u inthe right direction.
Welcome, Test. I'm not yet switched, used both currently. Long story behind it, back then my jasjam was dropped and having the whitescreen and d-pad issues. Need months to repair it, and I need a PDA so I bought Kaiser.
Anyway, just to inform that most of my hermes cabs collection are working on kaiser. The problem is not with the device, but rather on the WM version. My experience, many apps don't run well on 6.1, like skype etc, some not even run at all. Some already have an update which works, and some doesn't.
Short, it's better to always looking for the latest stable build apps, if you can. The problem is, most of them are scattered around forums here. Not necessarily only in Kaiser forum. Good luck, mate.
p.s: yet i must admit, you're posting in a slightly incorrect forum...
Hermes to Kaiser
So, for those who made the switch. Is it worthwhile?
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So, for those who made the switch. Is it worthwhile?
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biggest waste of money i have made in a while, hermes was just as fast and did all the same things only thing the kaiser does the hermes doesn't is the screen flipping up a little which i never use any way Iphone 3rd Gen when it comes out for me or the X1experia but I need processor speed now after the slow kaiser
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biggest waste of money i have made in a while, hermes was just as fast and did all the same things only thing the kaiser does the hermes doesn't is the screen flipping up a little which i never use any way Iphone 3rd Gen when it comes out for me or the X1experia but I need processor speed now after the slow kaiser
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The problem is Qualcomm. Crappy company from the ground up.
I think there is a phone coming out that has a Marvell Chip in it. 624mhz sound good to you with a Overclocking up to 800mhz.
I have been switching back and forth between the two phones, I got to say that the Hermes is a better overall phone, I am not that impressed with the tilt whats so ever....
Hm.You sure it's not HTC who did the crapping, ATW? Not that i don't agree with you, but just want your further enlightment, sir ;-)
For me, a layman, i have heard Qualcomm for quite some time, maybe even longer than HTC (at least for brand recognition). And i heard that they held many patents on cdma technology too. Not sounds too crappy for me, is it?
I remember having discussed in general forum,Menneissys told me that some of the codes are actually optimized in msm7200 than Hermes 'outdated' samsung processor. For example in bluetoth aadp streaming. Though i must admit that the ATI Imageon on Hermes make it faster for graphic apps.
Btw, is it energy efficient to have processor running over 600mhz?
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So, for those who made the switch. Is it worthwhile?
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Ohhh YES, definitely.
The best proof was when I had to send my Kaiser for repair, going back to the Hermes was awful. Such a slow brick, I simply hard reset it and left it with nothing installed at all and was using it as a phone only, couldn't bear fiddling with it after having had the Kaiser for a moment. Even that way it was 2-3x slower than the Kaiser.
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biggest waste of money i have made in a while, hermes was just as fast and did all the same things only thing the kaiser does the hermes doesn't is the screen flipping up a little which i never use any way
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My kaiser is twice as fast as my hermes was... and far more stable. Shame your one didn't seem to come with GPS.....
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For me, a layman, i have heard Qualcomm for quite some time, maybe even longer than HTC (at least for brand recognition). And i heard that they held many patents on cdma technology too. Not sounds too crappy for me, is it?
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I'm very happy that Qualcomm holds patents in CDMA, but what does that have to do with performance of a chip?
Let's just put it this way. Marvell used to be a Intel company. I much rather put my money / faith in a company that is the #1 producer of chips.
My Samsung 400mhz chip gave me better performance. Heck my TI OMAP 250mhz was just as good as this Qualcomm crap!
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Btw, is it energy efficient to have processor running over 600mhz?
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It is when the chip is smaller and requires less energy to run. I'm not sure what the nm is on the Marvell chip but I know that the talk time will be increased by over 2 hours which is a pretty significant improvement by up to 50%. How's that for energy efficient?
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My kaiser is twice as fast as my hermes was... and far more stable. Shame your one didn't seem to come with GPS.....
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o yea? My Hermes has not had even one reset running V3G's rom, yet I have to do several with the Kaiser although that maybe contributed to the roms not being debugged completly....
As to the GPS, its great for those who do not spent a lot of time using it as a cell phone, try using the GPS and talking on the phone via BT and driving for a living , maybe you will see just how great and useful the GPS is... not to mention the battery life....pssfft
I use my X51v as a GPS/w a BT unit where it sits in a holder right in line of my eye sight which is also my MP3 player hooked directly into my alpine .
Oh yea how about the how the buttons are located on the Hermes vs the kaiser ? look just how close they are on the Kaiser , they missed the boat on that...the layout is very poor...
Now do not get me wrong the Kaiser is a good unit, but it is lacking in many areas.
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Oh yea how about the how the buttons are located on the Hermes vs the kaiser ?
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Yep. On the Hermes I could never use the center "enter" button without pressing 1 or 2 of the direction buttons at the same time and had to repeat my press everytime to get it right... with the Kaiser the buttons finally serve some purpose again.
Hi guys,
im an orange customer and I'm for a an upgrade next Thursday. I was hoping to get a Touch Pro, but they dont seem to be bringing that out just yet on Orange so my alternative is the diamond.
I have heard lots of horror stories on it being very laggy and un-responsive due the the lower hardware specs. this with the un-ability to use any MMC Cards was one of the reasons i was routing for the pro.
They have now released a new rom and this has improved things a lot i hear but of-course there is not upgrade for the orange rom other than using a cooked one i assume as the HTC official will not work.
my question... If I go for the Diamond, am I downgrading to much... should I just be patient and wait ? would you say its a worthwhile phone ?
Thanks for you replies in advance, and this is an opinion thread, no flaming someone for their opinion necessary. my spelling well thats another matter ....
While the TouchPro is definitely more powerful than Diamond, I have bought Diamond recently and don't have any performance or usability issues so far. I am using the ROM that came from Telstra and am quite happy with it but I suppose over time, I would still go to try out some cooked ROMs as I have been addicted to flashing with my Hermes for the last 2 years.
To be short: If you don't need a qwerty keyboard and if you don't need more than 4GB storage, buy the Diamond. Nothing else comes close.
All the negative things you've heard about like slowness and such can be solved by installing a custom ROM like SwiftBL 6.0. My Diamond is not only fast, it almost flies.
The screen is the best on the market, the interface is great, GPS is excellent etc. etc. etc.
The Diamond is the PDA better than I ever try to date ...
I abandoned my P3600 move to this concentration of technology and style and I have not yet repented ...
The battery does not last much, but on the site HTC sell at a price not excessive plus the battery.
I had heard about the slowness in response and fluidity of TF3D, but even without resorting to custom ROM, just act with a registry editor on the registry, change some value and that's it ... now is my finger that is not behind the TF3D.
If I may advise, order!
I'm sorry to ruin, but the device is slow.
Before the diamond I had an i-mate jam running windows mobile 2003SE, which should be slower than the diamond, it has
an 400MHz Xscale cpu but the OS / phone way more responsive.
In the diamond it takes me few clicks to answer a phone call, also few seconds to disconnect one also the random freezes.. oh the freezes.. jezz
this driving me crazy when I hit the START button and it takes ~2 seconds to understand..
(And yes, I use dutty's cooked rom V1.7 1.93 which is considered the fastest)
There are good things of course, like the screen which is perfect, the built in GPS which works flawlessly and the TF3D interface
which I hope some time will work faster..
Meanwhile, I still hope I would be able to install Android when it comes out.
Btw, the screen might be perfect but I've also had an iphone, and its a different touch
experience, the multi touch points on the screen and no pen needed to work around are great.
One more annoying thing is the mini-usb.. very pointless, why not to use the regular standard usb port :\
Overall, I'm not too happy mainly due to the performance issues.
WM6.1 is too heavy for this phone, imo.
I had the same issues, but with 1.37 ROM. I was quite disappointed until I upgraded to 1.93 ROM. Those just can't compare, everything is silky smooth and runs really really fast. Now I'm soo glad i bought the phone, it works flawlessly-TF3D and WM6.1...of course thanks to this brilliant forum!
Bottom line: With minor tweaks and some patience you will be more than satisfied with the device. I was sold to the design, now I am to the WM too...
Even if I remove the TF3D interface its still less responsive than needed so I dont know what are you talking
about and I'm also running 1.93 dutty's ROM v1.7.
The whole thing feels like VISTA vs XP in performance terms..
It depend if you are luky or not, my father has a diamond too and had problems with 1.37 and now with the 1.93 he has a lot more problems. For me that was realy good with the Rom 1.37 and now impossible to use GPS updates with the 1.93; two phones and two diffrent experience. Impossible to use Skype in phone to phone over IP but great with PC to phone. Now there is a lot of tweaks realy usefull and this phone is great with a long battery life (if you use what you need when you need). I hope that will help you.
@Delusionz
I really feel sorry to hear that, mate. I am now on the official WWE 1.93 and it's just another world compared to the previous. Everything seems the way i like, which is also great thing with WM, cause lots of things are customizable(+all those performance tweaks which are great). For instance, if i click Start button, it opens down immediately...no lags whatsoever. On 1.37 it was only question of time...Did you try any other ROMs too?
@dge
I had this quick gps problem too...but on 1.37...now it's all fine...i guess we mean the same thing...but long battery life is not its plus...with some tweaking 2 days...maybe 2 and 1/2 days...of course with medium to low usage...
this is not a chat room
every week somebody starts a thread like this...every week.
there is plenty of reviews on the net (try google) and plenty of threads on this subject.
here you have a small collection of related threads. i searched using the word opinion and i got: personal opinions, comparisons with iPhone, comparisons with omnia, problems, why some ppl love their diamond, why some hate it....lots and lots of info!!
try and search the info you need. read! read! this is not a chat room!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419563&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415151&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408477&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414619&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411682&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402458&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398786&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411791&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411830&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400304&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411478&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402321&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409022&highlight=opinion
no its not a chat room but....
a forum to discuss
chill out.....go have a cup of tea or something
Some of the alleged "slowness" is inherent to all Windows Mobile devices. 4 years ago, WM phones took 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. Now, after all this improvement, they still take 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. This is not Diamond's fault, but rather Microsoft's.
Where Diamond shines is in comparison to other WM phones on the market, not iPhone. If you want extreme speed, buy iPhone. If you want business features with extreme speed and don't need touchscreen, buy BlackBerry Bold. If you want Windows Mobile, but the Diamond. Simple as that...
thanks everyone for there opinions and advice if. Its one of the reasons i like this forum as "most" people are friendly and happy to give advice.
Im not an Iphone man, this will be my 4th HTC and 5th WM device so i understand all to well the slowness of WM and if the mutterings i heard were just concerning that and not the device hardware then i think im sold.
I think i will miss-out the SD Card Slot and TV-Out of the Pro but hey its free! I cant argue to much.
Thanks Again,
Check this out:
Plenty of happy owners.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415852
IMO best phone out there by far, and it does not stop there since the phone is new, everyday brings new tweaks and apps that make it even better.
I've been google'n for 2 days and haven't been able to find anything worthy of an upgrade from a Kaiser ..
My mom needs a pda/phone and she wants my trusty Kaiser, but unless I find something worth having she's not getting it.
The Touch HD looks fantastic .. but .. isn't coming to the US [email protected]#[email protected]
Anybody know of something coming soon, available now I should be looking at ?
ATT Fuse doesn't look like any kind of an upgrade.
Thanks for your comments !
What I use the Kaiser for :
#1 Web Browsing
#2 VPN via PPTP to work network, and telnet to a as/400 machine from there
#3 Handful of WinMO apps that I use for various things (weather, poker blind timers, etc)
I occasionally talk on the phone too
hey man AT&T Fuze, it's called the Raphael on these forums, it's a sexy phone and has Opera 9.5 built in. and it can do everything the Tilt does minus some buttons and has a G-sensor
-Mike
Next to the KAISER I had the MWg ZINC II for a while. It had an incredible performance, much better than on the TYTN. However, there are 2 things I couldn't stand on that thing: no hardware softkeys underneath the screen and a weird keyboard with strangely arranged characters. Other than that it was a great device. I still would have gotten used to its keyboard but I couldn't stand the fact that it did not have any HW softkeys underneath the screen.
However, even though this seems to be an interesting question, I do believe that this thread is misplaced since you ask for something "that is not the KAISER"!
It might have been better placed in the GENERAL BOARD?
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hey man AT&T Fuze, it's called the Raphael on these forums, it's a sexy phone and has Opera 9.5 built in. and it can do everything the Tilt does minus some buttons and has a G-sensor
-Mike
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I guess I could run over to ATT and look at one. It just doesn't look all that appealing at first glance. I see nothing on it other than a VGA screen vs the tilt, and I'm losing the "tilt" function that I've grown to enjoy.
I don't think I'll ever use a G-Sensor for anything. I have opera 9.5 on the Tilt.
Maybe I'll like it better in-person.
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However, even though this seems to be an interesting question, I do believe that this thread is misplaced since you ask for something "that is not the KAISER"!
It might have been better placed in the GENERAL BOARD?
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I'm looking for opinions from current kaiser owners since they'll know what I'm replacing. I want something better than a kaiser. Only a kaiser owner would know what that is.
I never use my softkeys so I don't think losing them would be an issue.
I guess the Fuze might be an option but the screen on that thing looks smaller than a fuze. I want a BIGGER screen
Well, I upgraded from an 8525 to the Fuze, and am throughly dissapointed.
The screen is awesome, amount of memory is awesome, and the keyboard is awesome.
Everything else sucks. The hardware buttons at the bottom are extremely spotty. If you don't press the perfect spot, with the perfect amount of pressure, the device presses the wrong button for you.
http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446246&highlight=hardware+buttons
I flashed to the Elite ROM, and that made things a little better in general, but the usability of the device is getting me down.
So I'm off to research the Tilt/Kaiser.
I looked for what's the next upgrade after the Tilt/Kaiser but didn't find anything worthy. I think much of this stems from just how significant the upgrade the Tilt/Kaiser was from it's previous models, the 8525 and 8125.
I looked at the Fuze but while it does have some additional features and speed, it's not the leap ahead that the Tilt/Kaiser was. The Touch HD which you already found is the only thing I also found that I'd consider a worthy successor. I thought of buying one and having it imported but from everything I read the radio won't work here in the USA.
So for now and the foreseeable future, I'm still on my Tilt.
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I looked for what's the next upgrade after the Tilt/Kaiser but didn't find anything worthy. I think much of this stems from just how significant the upgrade the Tilt/Kaiser was from it's previous models, the 8525 and 8125.
I looked at the Fuze but while it does have some additional features and speed, it's not the leap ahead that the Tilt/Kaiser was. The Touch HD which you already found is the only thing I also found that I'd consider a worthy successor. I thought of buying one and having it imported but from everything I read the radio won't work here in the USA.
So for now and the foreseeable future, I'm still on my Tilt.
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I think the radio works fine here, you just don't get 3G.
I'm not in a 3G area, so maybe I could overlook that. It seems like I tend to turn OFF 3G on those rare occasions when I am since it sucks the battery down so bad.
Touch HD looks very nice but maaaaaaaaan it's pricey !
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Well, I upgraded from an 8525 to the Fuze, and am throughly dissapointed.
The screen is awesome, amount of memory is awesome, and the keyboard is awesome.
Everything else sucks. The hardware buttons at the bottom are extremely spotty. If you don't press the perfect spot, with the perfect amount of pressure, the device presses the wrong button for you.
http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446246&highlight=hardware+buttons
I flashed to the Elite ROM, and that made things a little better in general, but the usability of the device is getting me down.
So I'm off to research the Tilt/Kaiser.
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Thanks for your comments .. this is exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for !
I think the hardware for a G1 looks good, too bad it's running android and not winmo.
It's got everything I want. Nice display size, hardware keyboard, 3G support
Nobody took a look at the Touch Pro(Raphael) or Sony X1 ?
Touch Pro is the Fuze, which was mentioned in the first post.
Racer i would look in the Raphael Forum and see if the problems/complaints are going to affect you terribly, from what i gather i'll be happy with the upgrade.
Best of luck!
-Mike
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Nobody took a look at the Touch Pro(Raphael) or Sony X1 ?
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Mentioned Touch Pro in first post (att fuze)
Not really much, if any, of an upgrade.
Sony X1 might be possible, but it's SOOOO darned expensive !
Another option would be an unlocked Palm Treo Pro.... runs win 6.1, decent phone, same specs as the tilt I believe
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Thanks for your comments .. this is exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for !
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I'm returning mine as well. The D-pad is useless when surfing the net, the keyboard is really cramped compared to the Tilt, and button placement very odd.
The screen is amazing and the amount of RAM phenomenal, but it isn't quite as fast as I'd hope for and there just aren't enough programmable buttons to make it useful for me.
When my ETEN Glowfiish M700 died I spent weeks debating -- do I spend $600 for a new Tytn II or do I go for broke and get a Touch Pro for $900?
In the end, while the features of the Pro sounded very nice, I decided I just better save some money and get the kaiser.
Very impressed with the Kaiser so far. Video slowness not-withstanding it is still much more responsive than the Eten. And there is certainly tons of help, software recommendations and more available on these very forums
I recently came into a little extra money, so I could get the Pro now if I wanted to. But I'm going to keep the Kaiser and wait to see what the WM7 machines look like next year -- or should I say in two years
Perfectly happy with my Fuze. TF3D, VGA screen, abundant storage room, extremely fast and responsive, absolutely love the hardware KB (many more buttons without having to press the FN key) and more. Suffice it to say, I am extremely happy with my Fuze. Very much so.
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Perfectly happy with my Fuze. TF3D, VGA screen, abundant storage room, extremely fast and responsive, absolutely love the hardware KB (many more buttons without having to press the FN key) and more. Suffice it to say, I am extremely happy with my Fuze. Very much so.
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Guess I better just run over to ATT and play around with one (fuze). Maybe I'll like it better in person than I do in "spec sheet"
What phone did you trade from, P1Tater ?
Thanks !
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Guess I better just run over to ATT and play around with one (fuze). Maybe I'll like it better in person than I do in "spec sheet"
What phone did you trade from, P1Tater ?
Thanks !
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Tilt. Which I still have as a backup. Especially after my OIL fiasco.
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Let me do say that the stock rom sucks. It is extremely slow and constantly lagging behind. I've flashed a new BlackStone radio and a custom rom and I absolutely love it. But let me emphasize, in the store, the Fuze is slow at best. It even has a ATT tab with all of their bloatware locked to that tab. However, NATF has already done a stock rom fixing most, if not all of the slow/laggy responsiveness. I have literally flashed every single rom already cooked for the Raphael/Fuze and found my favorite (today). This thing flies.
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Perfectly happy with my Fuze. TF3D, VGA screen, abundant storage room, extremely fast and responsive, absolutely love the hardware KB (many more buttons without having to press the FN key) and more. Suffice it to say, I am extremely happy with my Fuze. Very much so.
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I agree, i'm completely satisfied with my upgrade to the fuze as well.
I have noticed you can now pick up an X1 for as little as £330 on Amazon UK and I was looking for a cheapish secondary phone that would be could for web browsing & e mail. As well as using as a modem for a Mac laptop.
Is the X1 a good choice for something like this, how is the build quality & UI speed.
Being a noob to WM how is it to get along with on the X1 with the panels etc.
Is there any software that can be installed that helps usability?
It seems to be a good deal cheaper than the price of Touch HD is, even after all this time.
Wel not every phone is perfect.
if you get a x1 i suggest to flash a custom rom wm6.5 that will speed up the device. i think the x1 is a great phone its not to big and comes with a keyboard. the specs are almost the same as TP2. the Tp2 has a bigger screen and speaker.
but if you want a phone thats not to big and has a keyboard than the x1 would be a great choice. i don't know how it works with mac(i'm a linux user). you can find so many software here to make you x1 like you want to. there are so many different UI that you can use. like: TouchFlo3D, PointUI and SPB.
I'm using wm6.5 now for a long time and i must say its fast enough for me.
I hope this helped you.
I have been using it for around few months now and my opinion is I'd look at different phones.
Altho this is one of the most feature packed phone at the moment there are few downsides which are quite critical in terms of usability as a phone.
1. Windows OS not stable enough unless you are keen to soft reset every other day. I soft reset mine every couple of days.
2. Weak reception, compare to my Nokia E71.
3. Lose of reception when you held the phone for a while. Work around to this is getting a silicon case for the phone or apply screen protector at the back of the device, especially the battery cover. I wish there were aftermarket optiosn available such as carbon fiber casing/battery cover. It would cured the problem and make the device much lighter.
4. Battery drain problem once you start use shell/launcher such as SPB mobile shell and Winterface. Battery is fine till 30 percent or so then strangely empties quick overnight from there.
5. Scree lock software increases stability issues. I have used pocket shield and S2U2 ended up removing both due to stability problems.
6. Keyboard is not very well designed. Not the layout but the feedback from pressing buttons. It's kinda mush and not very tactile.
7. "Up" on Dpad is hard to press. and volume button is too small to operate especially when you have case on the phone.
8. Slow web browser. Both IE and Opera mobile is slow compare to Nokia's symbian web browser.
I'm using latest official firmware and tried many custom firmware/winmo 6.5 etc. I think touch flo 3d is the most stable custom launcher you can get for it, although I much prefer winterface launcher.
I have been trying to use this phone for work and I learned that you simply cannot rely on it as relibility suffers thanks to winmo OS. It's fine for personal phone but I wouldn't use it for a work phone.
In my opinion, it's perfect if you are looking for "mostly PDA but occasionally phone" device. If you are after phone first and PDA second, look into Noka N97 or E series. Nokia makes very reliable phones. Or look into HTC Dream/Hero/Android OS devices. I myself thinking of changing my phone to HTC Android OS phones atm. (if only N97 wasn't so expensive around here. darn it.)
Sure worth a 'TRY'. hehe
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I have been using it for around few months now and my opinion is I'd look at different phones.
Altho this is one of the most feature packed phone at the moment there are few downsides which are quite critical in terms of usability as a phone.
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1. Windows OS not stable enough unless you are keen to soft reset every other day. I soft reset mine every couple of days.
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Wich Rom do you use? If you installed to many software that is filling up the phone than you have to SR.
2. Weak reception, compare to my Nokia E71.
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Where do you live? I have always full reception and never droped calls.
3. Lose of reception when you held the phone for a while. Work around to this is getting a silicon case for the phone or apply screen protector at the back of the device, especially the battery cover. I wish there were aftermarket optiosn available such as carbon fiber casing/battery cover. It would cured the problem and make the device much lighter.
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I read that so many people are getting scratches on there phone i'm using mine x1 for 9 months and never had a scratch on it. now i have a hard casing for it its better than the silicon one. http://cgi.ebay.nl/Hard-Case-for-So...ches?hash=item3355089a5e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 its very cheap.
4. Battery drain problem once you start use shell/launcher such as SPB mobile shell and Winterface. Battery is fine till 30 percent or so then strangely empties quick overnight from there.
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Wich WinMo phone has a good battery life? if you want a long battery life than don't buy WinMo phones. buy SE K series they have great battery life.
5. Scree lock software increases stability issues. I have used pocket shield and S2U2 ended up removing both due to stability problems.
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I didn't had any stability iseus with s2u2. but i'm not using any screen lock anymore.
6. Keyboard is not very well designed. Not the layout but the feedback from pressing buttons. It's kinda mush and not very tactile.
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At first it was hard for me to but you get use to it and i must say i'm very fast with it now
7. "Up" on Dpad is hard to press. and volume button is too small to operate especially when you have case on the phone.
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This is totally true
8. Slow web browser. Both IE and Opera mobile is slow compare to Nokia's symbian web browser.
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Try to use opera9.7 with turbo enabled its really fast even faster than iphone 3g. i know its still in beta phase.
I'm using latest official firmware and tried many custom firmware/winmo 6.5 etc. I think touch flo 3d is the most stable custom launcher you can get for it, although I much prefer winterface launcher.
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you tried to many beta build i gues. i have winmo 6.5 with R3 firmware and its really fast with no stuff from other winmo devices. TF3D is nice and respnds good but i prefer the standard wm6.5 home.
I have been trying to use this phone for work and I learned that you simply cannot rely on it as relibility suffers thanks to winmo OS. It's fine for personal phone but I wouldn't use it for a work phone.
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This is not the fault of the phone but winmo. wm is just crap almost everybody agrees.
In my opinion, it's perfect if you are looking for "mostly PDA but occasionally phone" device. If you are after phone first and PDA second, look into Noka N97 or E series. Nokia makes very reliable phones. Or look into HTC Dream/Hero/Android OS devices. I myself thinking of changing my phone to HTC Android OS phones atm. (if only N97 wasn't so expensive around here. darn it.)
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choose a OS so that can do all your jobs. i'm using wm because i use navigation on my phone(tomtom) and for me thats the best. read reviews of phones. there are always downsides with every phone i always say it there is no perfect phone or OS. every OS has its own problems. if you don't relay on software that run on OS i prefer you to buy a android phone htc hero. but if you wan't a phone with keyboard i suggest xperia because its not to big.
I'd suggest you go for the touch pro 2, since you are new to winmo. It has a larger screen, hardware keyboard is great to use and is a bit more recent than the xperia.
Switching to winmo gives a lot of benefits, especially when you have a HTC device. You can change roms and try out different flavours etcetera. Install applications without jailbraiking or whatsoever. Get use to the tf3d, wich is a pretty neat home screen. Ofcourse, nothing beats the gaming capabilities of an iphone right now, but i do think that there are advantages on windows mobile.
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I have been using it for around few months now and my opinion is I'd look at different phones.
Altho this is one of the most feature packed phone at the moment there are few downsides which are quite critical in terms of usability as a phone.
1. Windows OS not stable enough unless you are keen to soft reset every other day. I soft reset mine every couple of days.
2. Weak reception, compare to my Nokia E71.
3. Lose of reception when you held the phone for a while. Work around to this is getting a silicon case for the phone or apply screen protector at the back of the device, especially the battery cover. I wish there were aftermarket optiosn available such as carbon fiber casing/battery cover. It would cured the problem and make the device much lighter.
4. Battery drain problem once you start use shell/launcher such as SPB mobile shell and Winterface. Battery is fine till 30 percent or so then strangely empties quick overnight from there.
5. Scree lock software increases stability issues. I have used pocket shield and S2U2 ended up removing both due to stability problems.
6. Keyboard is not very well designed. Not the layout but the feedback from pressing buttons. It's kinda mush and not very tactile.
7. "Up" on Dpad is hard to press. and volume button is too small to operate especially when you have case on the phone.
8. Slow web browser. Both IE and Opera mobile is slow compare to Nokia's symbian web browser.
I'm using latest official firmware and tried many custom firmware/winmo 6.5 etc. I think touch flo 3d is the most stable custom launcher you can get for it, although I much prefer winterface launcher.
I have been trying to use this phone for work and I learned that you simply cannot rely on it as relibility suffers thanks to winmo OS. It's fine for personal phone but I wouldn't use it for a work phone.
In my opinion, it's perfect if you are looking for "mostly PDA but occasionally phone" device. If you are after phone first and PDA second, look into Noka N97 or E series. Nokia makes very reliable phones. Or look into HTC Dream/Hero/Android OS devices. I myself thinking of changing my phone to HTC Android OS phones atm. (if only N97 wasn't so expensive around here. darn it.)
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1 - I soft reset EVERY phone at least once a day. Depends on usage not on stability.
2 - Not true.
3 - Not true.
4 - Don't use shells then lmao.
5 - That is those apps' fault, not a problem with the phone or WinMo. lol at this btw.
6 - That is totally your own opinion. Most of the users fund the keyboard amazing. There is only one keyboard that gives better experience than the X1's and that's TP2's keyboard.
7 - True about the "up" button, but the volume keys are fine. If they were bigger, you would have complained about how huge they are lol.
8 - Biggest lie ever. Maybe you failed to mention that the Symbian browser is crap? Try SkyFire or Opera (for real this time).
I don't like TF3D and I'm using the official R3A ROM. Everything is perfect.
The phone is good for work.
LOL @ the phones you mentioned and especially ROFL @ the N97, which is the biggest fail in the known universe.
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I'd suggest you go for the touch pro 2, since you are new to winmo. It has a larger screen, hardware keyboard is great to use and is a bit more recent than the xperia.
Switching to winmo gives a lot of benefits, especially when you have a HTC device. You can change roms and try out different flavours etcetera. Install applications without jailbraiking or whatsoever. Get use to the tf3d, wich is a pretty neat home screen. Ofcourse, nothing beats the gaming capabilities of an iphone right now, but i do think that there are advantages on windows mobile.
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I suggest you read this before going for the TP2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522073
/commodoor
yup I agree with you. there is no perfect OS. It's all comes down to personal preference. My statement was merely coming from my experience and how I felt about the product.
You don't have to criticise my comment. It's just how I felt from my own experience and those were issues when I used it.
Like I said before xperia is the most feature packed phone you can get. It has the screen resolution with physical qwerty keyboard, excellent built quality, GPS, camera with flash and all those other phones can't match. But at the end of the day, it comes down to the end user and usability.
My complain about battery life is not about actual overall battery life. If you read my comment again, it was fine till around 30% then quickly drains after that. Don't get all defensive and say "Don't buy winmo device if you expect battery life." You have completely missed my point. Everyone who have experience with winmo phones know what it can do and what it can't. I was simply pointing those out.
Yes I'm using winmo 6.5 custom rom and I found I actually gain reception quality and battery life with it over previous 6.1 rom I used, but it seems sacrificing stability. The point is, winmo needs a lot of tweak to get the basic phone part working reliably and lag free like other phones like Nokia symbian platform does out of box. But then winmo has a lot more room for customisation and that's where its strength came from. That's what I mean by "PDA first, phone second."
Reception quality is fine, but worse compare to my E71 and HTC Touch HD. I compared both at home and where E71 and HTC Touch HD picked up the signal, Xperia failed. I live around hills. Reception isn't very good around here.
Funny enough I don't use or install anything but bare minimum. I use builtin notepad, builtin calender and builtin contact. Probably only aftermarket software I use is Garmin/Tomtom Nav software and Winterface. Nothing else.
I still find the Nokia web broswer faster than any version of Opera(except mini but that's different story) for winmo phones, especially over GSM network.(HSDPA) But then Nokia web browser struggle to view heavy loaded websites where winmo devices can. So all about up and downside. For general website I usually visit, I found Nokia web browser gets the job done faster and easier. Also when I installed Opera mini on my E71, I could view websites with flash manu, somewhat limited, but made it possible. I couldn't do this on any winmo devices.
I have exact same case you have linked and suprised you have found happy with it. It's pure junk in my opinion and its getting dust in my drawer. I just found such case doesn't do its beautiful device a justice. Adds too much bulk and doesn't really protect the phone as it's way to easy to take them off. Also finish wasn't great out of box. I had to file few spots to smooth moulding lines. Xperia is not a slim device and having cases just adds too much bulk on it. Exceeding to my preference.
At end of the day, it's all about your priority. If you like customising phones then xperia is definitely a nice choice. I prefer it over HTC touch HD anyday. But if you want the pda phone you can rely on and works everytime without fail and but with limited customisation, then defnitely consider Nokia symbian phones. I'm quite tempted for Android OS phones at the moment. I just wish M$ did their work and improve windows mobile OS rather than making it heavier with eye candy crap.
/orelsi.
I don't know what to say. Stop accusing me I'm lieing. And are you retard? Because I was saying those are my experience. I didn't say that applies to everyone.
What's up with this rudeness. Does this represent Winmo community? Such short sighted and arrogant comment.
sorry for the off top, but don't worry too much bout orelsi. he's always like that...
imho x1 is the best winmo device at the moment. maybe tp2 is more feature packed, but xperia looks better, size-wise it's amazing, it is fast and stable on r3a stock rom, pictures captured with it can be compared to normal digital cameras and the keyboard layout is made for fast texting/emailing. for me it is just perfect.
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I suggest you read this before going for the TP2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522073
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I think when speaking of user friendlynes, the touch pro 2 can be that. I mean, you are talking about advantages of the d-pad, sure, there are some, though i don't have chubby fingers, d-pad on xperia is sometimes a horrible design mistake. left and right d-pad is ok, but up and down, you can't hardly press it without pressing on the optical pad. what's the use of an optical pad anyway, i hardly use it, only for up and down for the forementioned problems with keypad. i don't use it for scolling webpages since opera, and in fact, the whole OS, is already using kinnetic scrolling.
no flash on tp2. Yeah, like having a led flashlight really makes a difference, but the vga recording @ 30fps is a nice addition to xperia though, if only it would not capture to 3gp format, cmon, 3gp in twothousand and f*cking nine?
Every phone has it flaws orelsi. Xperia is also not perfect, especially not if you were buying it for the hardware qwerty and the so called arctic slide, nothing special about that either.
But I agree, sometimes your posts can be rude, as i have notice myself before.
As i know the thread starter from mobile-review and he happens to have an iphone, i suggested him a device equally matches the screen size at least. Because the 16:9 aspect ratio of the xperia doesn't make it per se a better user experience.
Anyway, i hope we can help the topic starter for his quest for a good winmo phone.
ohh, and possibly most anoying is the recessed screen, where the tp2 is flushed.
trust me. having a flash is making a difference. the one in xperia is strong enough and even low light pictures are quite nice quality. it is true about not so great quality of videos though.
arc (not arctic ) slider is a very nice feature. previously I had tytn 2 and tilted screen was less neat. on the other hand, flush screen on tp2 is better.
d-pad is not the bestest one, but tbh one can get used to it and it's better to have one rather than have none. optical joystick is also great for precise operation.
so.... x1 have it's flaws, but for many of us it's a weapon of choice. no other device have those looks with all this greatness inside with it's compact form factor.
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/orelsi.
I don't know what to say. Stop accusing me I'm lieing. And are you retard? Because I was saying those are my experience. I didn't say that applies to everyone.
What's up with this rudeness. Does this represent Winmo community? Such short sighted and arrogant comment.
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lol wut?
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I think when speaking of user friendlynes, the touch pro 2 can be that. I mean, you are talking about advantages of the d-pad, sure, there are some, though i don't have chubby fingers, d-pad on xperia is sometimes a horrible design mistake. left and right d-pad is ok, but up and down, you can't hardly press it without pressing on the optical pad. what's the use of an optical pad anyway, i hardly use it, only for up and down for the forementioned problems with keypad. i don't use it for scolling webpages since opera, and in fact, the whole OS, is already using kinnetic scrolling.
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If you aren't satisfied with the 'up" and "down" keys and aren't using the optical pad, then turn of the optical one and be happy with the hardware d-pad.
I use the optical scrolling all the time for browsing, scrolling through menus and most importantly through e-books.
Also, there are many games and some apps that require a D-Pad. Better to have one is what I say.
no flash on tp2. Yeah, like having a led flashlight really makes a difference, but the vga recording @ 30fps is a nice addition to xperia though, if only it would not capture to 3gp format, cmon, 3gp in twothousand and f*cking nine?
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It is not a small difference. It is especially noticeable in dark places. The TP2 won't be able to make a pic, while the X1 will take one. Now, you tell me what's better - to have a certain (arguably not perfect) ability or to have no ability at all?
Every phone has it flaws orelsi. Xperia is also not perfect, especially not if you were buying it for the hardware qwerty and the so called arctic slide, nothing special about that either.
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Have I ever said that the X1 is without flaws? I have pointed its flaws repeatedly.
Do you mean the "arc" slider? That is just a form factor, although the curve helps a little bit when typing.
But I agree, sometimes your posts can be rude, as i have notice myself before.
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Everything is in the eye of the beholder.... get it?
As i know the thread starter from mobile-review and he happens to have an iphone, i suggested him a device equally matches the screen size at least. Because the 16:9 aspect ratio of the xperia doesn't make it per se a better user experience.
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The bigger screen and better speakers are the only two things the TP2 has going for it. I can't honestly call that an upgrade (unless we are talking apple lmao). The 16:9 ratio is pretty good for movies though .
Anyway, i hope we can help the topic starter for his quest for a good winmo phone.
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Indeed.
OP my advice is to get the X1 or wait for some other phone later in the year.
ohh, and possibly most anoying is the recessed screen, where the tp2 is flushed.
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Agreed 100%.
i think, not any manufacturer wil make the perfect device for us. just near close to keep us hungry for more and more...
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i think, not any manufacturer wil make the perfect device for us. just near close to keep us hungry for more and more...
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Yeah, if they make the perfect one, who would bother buying their next device haha. That's why the X1 lacks an accelerometer.
Thanks all for the feedback it was very helpful.
In it's bare-bones state, in other-words without altering the ROM or putting other UI's on it how do the panels perform, are they more of a gimmick than an actual useful addition.
I have heard that the X1 UI is less customised than something like the TP2 & you encounter raw WM6.1 more often & with the screen/font size that it can be tricky to use without applying the stylus?
there is mobile shell from spb, i don't use it though, but it also can keep you away from the inner wm6.1 ui, for a while though. check spb's website about it, it's free for xperia, as a panel, so decide wich panel suits your time of the day
The X1 rocks! I got mine a few days ago and simply love it!
The stock software isn't too awesome, though, and the up button of the D-Pad is hard to press (but I don't use it anyway since the optical joystick works beautifully). Personally I like the keyboard feel, not too mushy for my taste. No G-sensor, but I find them irritating anyway (again, just a personal preference). In all other regards the hardware is fantastic. Fast and small, great display, full qwerty, optical d-pad, Wi-Fi, gps with a-gps support, etc..
I have flashed a few ROMs (6.5 and 6.1) and am very happy with Smaberg's Touch X 10.1 EXTREME final ROM (WinMo 6.1, Touch Flo 3d - not sure which version, but it is smooth and touch-friendly). Stable and very fast. Makes for a much better experience than stock and smoother than all the 6.5 ROMs I have tried. It's been around a while and there is good support in the ROM thread. Don't have to delve too deep into 6.1 guts, interface is great.
My advice? Definitely buy one and flash it with the Touch X ROM.
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Nokia makes very reliable phones.
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I had to reboot my Nokia E90 every few days, it also took about 10% of battery to get the thing to a usable state after reboot too, hence why i had a second battery for it.
They also broke the BT functionality with their official flashed OS. It made it unreliable to boot.
This is why I'm here and have an X1 in my hand. If its going to be unreliable, I'd rather have a smaller, lighter, more configurable device.
i won't go on to say it is perfect, as it isn't. The E90 was built like a tank, went swimming several times and was dropped on an almost weekly basis, but still worked.
The X1 I have has been dropped and has been swimming, and it still works, but the case has cracked
First of all The perfect allInOne phone does not exist (even the iphone doesn't hehe) ...
i had nokia n95-8gb, samsung i550, samsung f480 and a lot more... now I'm with my xperia...
If you are an multimedia fan use a sony ericson w series phone ... if u like to have great amount of software u can use the xperia or any other winmobile phone BUT the xperia has a nice design and a good quality case... The camera is enough for snapshots and the gps is great - no compare with n95 this one has a crapy gps... so there's a lot of + and - it depents on what you personally need. if i could find "my rom" so it is the perfect phone for me because i don't listen too much to music but i want an rds radio a tmc and a good gps device so the nokia couldn't give me that ... Maybe the samsung omnia hd is an alternative one but rember it very depending on which rom u are using - hop it helped...