Hi,
i don't know if everybody knows, you can play PSX 1 games on the PockePC devices...
Diamond has a fast Processor VGA Screen so thats good conditions too play games... the bad ones are the missing buttons... but with FPSEce there is also a onscreen Controller so that should not be the problem...
Heres the offical Homepage:
http://www.fpsece.net/
i prefer to use the .96 Beta from Forum!!
heres a vid of running ff7 on a pocketpc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OTulLVj3Ww
i'm totally impressed with the psx bt controller... i didn't saw/or know that such things exist... so you dont need hardware buttons
i have testet FF7 today too but i don't get it too run...
the Bios starts well.. FPS over 100... but after that noting happens...
i have tryed different img what i could found for download... my original ff7 cd is lost somewhere... so i can't try to rip it off by my self... maybe someone can try this... (Should be done with alcohol as i read somewhere because all other destroys the images to work with the emu...)
any news for this emulator?
COOL! could you add G-sensor support to this? say to press the center button and then use the g-sensor to detect motion and control the direction?
PS2 games me ay also possibly be playable on the diamond,
Remember the Diamond has a 528 MHz processor, while the PS2 has only 294MHz processor
specs at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2
sorry.. if u are saying the diamond is faster than a ps2.. its not.. the processor speed is simply not the same
for e.g.
1ghz on pentium and 1ghz on pentium 4 with HT.. which is faster? de latter rite...
plus ps2 has a well powered GPU.. diamond has a dedicated video chip but its not v powerful.. merely for touchflo 3D...
try installing pocket pc games like tony hawkk pro skater 2 which was also released on the ps1 and u know wad im toking about.. even with hardware acceleration the game isnt as smooth as playing on the ps1 itself..
actually
actually yes and no to a few people above me
the ps2 actually has 2 cpus a 299mhz cpu and a 150mhz co-processor
these would be the hardest to emulate the 299mhz cpu is actually the easy one the 150mhz cpu is a vector (floating point) cpu which arm cpus (like the diamonds) do very slowly however the graphics card is a 16 pipe 147mhz 4mb graphics card which belive it or not we have more power than (the diamond has a 333mhz 12 pipe gfx card with 16mb of faster ram) but the problem is that there is no driver for the card on the diamond for developers like me to use.
so the short story is yes it is doable even at 30fps if they could use the gfx card to emulate the co-processor but it would take a lot of development time and skills to do and some help from HTC to do it in a relistic time...
In my experience, you need a CPU with at least 10 times the clock speed of the chip you're trying to emulate, unfortunately. That's before you take dedicated graphics processors etc. into account. It will be a good while before we see PS2 games being run on phones.
i managed to get destruction derby working on my trinity at ~24 fps which slowed down to 13 fps when you touched the screen. i am sure the diamond could do better
idrisito said:
i managed to get destruction derby working on my trinity at ~24 fps which slowed down to 13 fps when you touched the screen.
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yup, the infamous touchscreen cpuusage bug HTC hasn't been bothered fixing for 2.5 years...
I've tried the emulator with... Tekken 3 . Just 12-13 fps in portrait mode, so it works but not playable. If you try it in landscape mode, it doesn't work. And the onscreen pad is too small on Diamond screen.
It'd be nice if everyone posted
Games: | Options enabled/disabled | FPS
No need for compatibility, since it's available on the website.
danthekilla said:
actually yes and no to a few people above me
the ps2 actually has 2 cpus a 299mhz cpu and a 150mhz co-processor
these would be the hardest to emulate the 299mhz cpu is actually the easy one the 150mhz cpu is a vector (floating point) cpu which arm cpus (like the diamonds) do very slowly however the graphics card is a 16 pipe 147mhz 4mb graphics card which belive it or not we have more power than (the diamond has a 333mhz 12 pipe gfx card with 16mb of faster ram) but the problem is that there is no driver for the card on the diamond for developers like me to use.
so the short story is yes it is doable even at 30fps if they could use the gfx card to emulate the co-processor but it would take a lot of development time and skills to do and some help from HTC to do it in a relistic time...
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So, Diamond still doesent have video drivers? It must have some. And only 16 MB RAM ? Co-procesor has 64 MB RAM, does he?
I've tried the emulator with FF7 but 27 fps in portrait mode
isnt 27fps a very good and playable speed? or is the problem because thats in portrait mode?
27 fps is very slow and not playable
27 is good speed, I played llots of games on my PC on 22 FPS.
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27 is good speed, I played llots of games on my PC on 22 FPS.
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Hahahaha lol. Thats funny.
so i would say 27fps is not awesome but it's defenitly more than enough for FF7.
a average cam used for TV captures about 25f/s
It has to be at least 21fps if you want to cheat the eye.
always posted in this forum...read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409990 i've made various test with FFIX
I could not get the fpsece run on my diamond. Although I have copied bios file in bios folder (I've already have a PS 1 so everything is legal) and try some game. But after trying to open .iso's diamond stucks for 15 seconds and nothing happens.... Any ideas?
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isnt 27fps a very good and playable speed? or is the problem because thats in portrait mode?
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Yes it is! Especially when you consider that its max Fps on the actual PS1 was 30Fps
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Hi,
Has anyone else experienced poor/jerky gameplay with kaiser?
Seems to run fine for everything else but has trouble with the following games:
VT Pocket Tennis (old i know).
Pool Rebel
Seems slightly sluggish (although acceptable) with some of the other games in comparison to my tytn.
Can anyone make any suggestions for tweaks/tests?
Thanks
aqm5181 said:
Hi,
Has anyone else experienced poor/jerky gameplay with kaiser?
Seems to run fine for everything else but has trouble with the following games:
VT Pocket Tennis (old i know).
Pool Rebel
Seems slightly sluggish (although acceptable) with some of the other games in comparison to my tytn.
Can anyone make any suggestions for tweaks/tests?
Thanks
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if they are old games that could be the reason why, it doesn have support for GDI i think it is. have you tryed any emulators? GBA for example?
www.sunbug.net
Thanks for the speedy reply!
Pool Rebel is a new release but is still very sluggish. I have contacted their support team as it may just be that the game is not optimised for the cpu.
VT pocket tennis was designed for PPC2002! Used to work very well on my TYTN but is virtually unplayable on TYTN II.
Will I be able to use the emulator on games designed for PPC?
I'm not sure what is the problem, but I can comfirm that the graphic chipset integrated in MSM7200 is one of ATI Imageon product.
http://brew.qualcomm.com/bnry_brew/pdf/brew_2007/Tech-303_Ligon.pdf
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/3dgaming_brochure.pdf
from the data sheet, the performance should be said as good, so perhaps the new graphic chipset is not supported?
Maybe HTC has disabled most of the Video chipset functionality, they have a habit of disabling everything before launch! *Shakes fist*
It does also look like the graphic chipset has 3d hardware support but so far you cant take adventage of it with direct3d because it only has referance drivers which doesnt use any of the hardware. But once HTC releases drivers that take advantage of this hardware it should be one kick butt gaming device...
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It does also look like the graphic chipset has 3d hardware support but so far you cant take adventage of it with direct3d because it only has referance drivers which doesnt use any of the hardware. But once HTC releases drivers that take advantage of this hardware it should be one kick butt gaming device...
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Just imagine the Touchflo cube interface with D3D. Mmm.
wow, page 5, what game is that???
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/3dgaming_brochure.pdf
looks so cool for a ppc game!
I just got my kaiser, upgraded from a 200 mhz prophet, big difference everywhere except gaming. I have pocketSNES a Super nintendo emulator, and it runs OK, but when you play with sound it lags quite a bit. I thought this device was suppposed to have pretty good graphics??
Some benchmarks
TyTn 2 graphic is slower than HTC Mogul
http://mymobile911.com/dnn2/bBenchmarkDatab/tabid/60/Default.aspx
TyTn 2 graphic is the fastest
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=442869&sid=2ddc04dc6332d94bdbb0a5dc00627b54
ksjulsen said:
I just got my kaiser, upgraded from a 200 mhz prophet, big difference everywhere except gaming. I have pocketSNES a Super nintendo emulator, and it runs OK, but when you play with sound it lags quite a bit. I thought this device was suppposed to have pretty good graphics??
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this is not because it has poor graphics or has trouble playing it, it's cause PocketSnes hasnt been updated in such a long time it doesnt even support the phone completely or support teh GFX driver. however, have you tried Morphgear?
http://soft.softoogle.com/ap/morphgear-download-5321.shtml
Yeah, I tried pool rebel too ... and damn, it is so slow
Any reply from their support?
Btw, any good game for this Kaiser? The one that is nice and fast.
Support have replied. They will be adding Direct X support for the game in future release although have not specified when. That should hopefully improve performance. I have tried the following games and they work well:
Flux Challenge
Sky Force
Sky Force Reloaded
Resco Guardians
Anthelion 2
Argentum
Explode Arena
KRally
Snails
SPB AirIslands
Stolen In 60 Seconds
Cheers
Hello all.
I'm currently trying to find some new games for my Kaiser, and would love to play some emulators.
What I'm after are emulators that run at full speed (if possible) in landscape mode. Any ideas?
My M600i that is nearly 2 years old could play Megadrive at 100% speed WITH sound on a 250mhz processor: I hope the Kaiser can at least match that without the drivers
Thanks!
freewarepocketpc.net
Girvo said:
My M600i that is nearly 2 years old could play Megadrive at 100% speed WITH sound on a 250mhz processor
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Wiki said:
The original MC68000 was fabricated using an HMOS process with a 3.5-micron feature size. Initial engineering samples were released in late 1979. Production chips were available in 1980, with initial speed grades of 4, 6, and 8 MHz. 10 MHz chips became available during 1981, and 12.5 MHz chips during 1982. The 16.67 MHz "12F" version of the MC68000, the fastest version of the original HMOS chip, was not produced until the late 1980s.
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You emulated a 10Mhz processor on a 250Mhz Processor, whoop-de-do
And my phone with a 400mhz processor can't. At least, not with the ones I've tried. Like I said: any ideas?
Until we get proper drivers, emulation will suffer on Kaiser. So far, the only system I've been able to get full speed and sound emulation out of is Gameboy via MorphGear.
Pocketnester is what I use. It works fine for me, although there is no support for landscape mode.
ugoff said:
Until we get proper drivers, emulation will suffer on Kaiser. So far, the only system I've been able to get full speed and sound emulation out of is Gameboy via MorphGear.
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Thought that was the case. It's a shame. The GP2X can emulate more than us in 2D, with a slower processor. As did the M600i.
*sigh*
Oh well. I'm going to bite the bullet and get me a P1i I think. Luckily Mum needs a new phone (took her Atom for a swim).
Morphgear is probably the best one out there.
Anybody got a ink to Morphgear?
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Pocketnester is what I use. It works fine for me, although there is no support for landscape mode.
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PocketNester does support landscape mode.
Just go to Options -> Graphics and turn off GAPI.
Hi, so, after about 3.5 months of researching HTC Diamond, does anybody know what is with Diamond GPU? Some info? Like how many VRAM has it? I read somewhre that Diamond has 16MB VRAM, on other site that Diamond has 64 MB VRAM. And the second, why is Diamond GPU so "bad"? theoretically, it must be fast, but games like Quake can run only about 4 FPS, while VGA Dell Axim x50v, about 4 years old PPC can run it about 25 FPS? Yes, I know, Axim has 2700G from Intel, BUT, 7201A chipset is brand new, so I dont believe that its GPU is so bad.
do those older PPC games run on a GPU? or right off of the phones CPU?
I remember when I ran rocket elite on my easio e125 it ran wonderfully. I think that had a mips 150mhz in it. On my next device, the toshiba e330 with a 208mhz cpu it ran WAY worse. Maybe it was the ram, or cpu, I dont know, but I know some of the games written for older devices seem to run terribly on the newer ones.
Hmm, one example - Quake 3 - Diamond 0-4 FPS, Axim x50v 25-30 FPS - technology - open GL ES. Diamond should have Open GL ES 1.1 HW Accelerated.
hi
Ive been trying to play a range of oldish (cod2) to newish (cod4,5) and the fps in them are crap! Im wondering if thats due to the onboard Nvidia GeForce 7025 graphics, or the 2gb of ram for win7 + games.
thanks
btw my pc spec is my signature!
Because of the onboard gpu (atleast in new games)
and if I read correctly then your ram is 267mhz? - thats a bit to slow for todays games!!
If youre planing to upgrade then I suggest you get a decent Graphic Card (nvidia 9somethin ot maybe 200 series card -- If your psu supports it!! ) and if youre at low fps then then upgrade to a faster ram, 2gb is enough!!
I got a Intel Core 2 Duo 6600 OC'd from 2.4 to 3.5ghz ; 4gb of Kingston 800mhz ram and a Nvidia GF8800GTS 640mb gpu on a Asus Striker II Formula (got it for the guaranty cuz my Asus Striker burned)-- and mostly I can play all new games on MAX spec except, of course CRYSIS
Thats weird, they play fine on my Fuze... Maybe change ROMS?
HAHAHAHA
update
the ram is pc6400 at 1607mhz
btw my computer is 50 days old today! Everything is brand new as of the 26 july 2009
then its 100% onboard gpu fault!!!
get nvidia card with hybrid power so you can use your onboard gpu and your GPU when needed!!!
write your PSU specs and Ill write some gpu's which will work with hybrid power and your psu will support the wattage!!
the psu is a colours it! 550w. And i was thinking of getting an XFX GeForce 9600GT XXX AlphaDog Edition which it £80-£90. What du think?
what are the fps ?
because if vsync is on you will only get as many fps as hz your screen refresh with
with is anyway the max fps people can ever get visually
but there are alot! of myths about this stuff
but buttom line is your screen refresh with a sudden hz and that mean thats
the number of times a second it draws the screen so
even if turning vsync off mean it will report much more fps it don't mean that your screen is displaying those fps
i dont know how to check fps in cod4 du no?
And whats vsync?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_synchronization
basically that the backbuffer is not blittered to the frontbuffer before
the frontbuffer is don't being drawn on the screen
about cod4 sorry never played any of those games
My fps in cod4 is 3!
How do i get that up?
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My fps in cod4 is 3!
How do i get that up?
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Get a new GPU!!!!
and the 9600GT will do !!! it will work on the 550 W psu!!!
I have a 8800GTS 640 (eats more electricity and its on a 480W )
have you tried to set everything on min specs in video options(ingame) ?
yes i have set everything minimum. But still no luck!
I have decided to get a zotac GF 9800GT
Will that work
I will have to wait until i get some money cause im only 13! Might get it for crimbo!
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I will have to wait until i get some money cause im only 13! Might get it for crimbo!
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save up some!!! Im 15 years old (almost 16) I have Touch HD (100% mine , bought for my money) - worked for it !!
sounds almost like you're using a generic vga driver rather then the real driver for the video card even if it's an onboard gpu
Yeah but i have installed the correct nvidia vga drivers. It might be a good idea to reinstall.
thx
hi again
i reinstalled the drivers to the latest version and set all the settings on cod to low.
BTW what is SLi and can i use it on an N68-S ASRock board
thx
Please don't get the 9800, although it is a powerfull card, if you get Sapphire HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 HDMI DVI VGA PCI-E Graphics Card £83.40 its will destroy the 9800 in any game, as for SLI i really wouldnt bother unless your monitor is 1920x1080 and your not getting a high (50+ constant) FPS. Also the 4850 will have no issues with your motherboard or Power supply.
yep i have the 4850 and it beats the crap out of all others in that price range,,,although it's not sapphire....but powercolor works fine too
I plan on buying the X1 when I get my $5500 next week. My most recent phone was the Motorola Rokr E6(Linux Based) and I'm coming from the Motorola Deveploment Community. I've owned a Sony before (W810i) and loved it, so I want to get the X1. I've never used WM before So I hope modding won't be hard to learn. My questions are: Is there Emulaters for the X1 like Nitendo, Super Nitendo, Sega, GBA, N64, and PS1. I had these on my E6 and loved them. Also what about the Doom expansions and Quake expansions as well, I also played these on my E6. Aslo can we overclock the processor and use Swap partions to, Also things I loved about the E6. I looked in the thread for noob questions but 4 pages in it was just people saying how much they don't like noobs posting unneccesary posts and how much they don't like noobs basically so I stopped looking in the thread and decided to post this thread. I aplogize if these questions were posted somewhere else. Thank you for your time and I can't wait to learn WM modding.
All the Emulators are performing like crap (on the MSM720*).
Only (low action) SNES games on Morphgear, like Mario or other lame games (sorry but i hate platforms) where actually able to play on a decent framerate.
Secret of Mana for example was unplayable, unless you like humongous lag. Enabling sound only makes it worse. At the time I actually gave a crap about it, I couldnt stand playing it any longer then 10 minutes, since the qwerty keyboard is not usuable for gaming (in a comfort way, it functions fine in morphgear)
Emulation on WM6.1 is bull****, apart from the PS1 emulator that is, even though the MSM7200 is immensely underpowered for it, seeing that thing on a Snapdragon or OMAP3 chipset (youtube it) is pure awesomeness.
My S.E. M600 did GBA/SEGA Genesis emulation about 4 times as fast, and thats with an 208Mhz ARM9 chip.
Do not buy the X1 if you like playing (console) games.
SomeoneSimple said:
All the Emulators are performing like crap (on the MSM720*).
Only (low action) SNES games on Morphgear, like Mario or other lame games (sorry but i hate platforms) where actually able to play on a decent framerate.
Secret of Mana for example was unplayable, unless you like humongous lag. Enabling sound only makes it worse. At the time I actually gave a crap about it, I couldnt stand playing it any longer then 10 minutes, since the qwerty keyboard is not usuable for gaming (in a comfort way, it functions fine in morphgear)
Emulation on WM6.1 is bull****, apart from the PS1 emulator that is, even though the MSM7200 is immensely underpowered for it, seeing that thing on a Snapdragon or OMAP3 chipset is pure awesomeness.
My S.E. M600 did GBA/SEGA Genesis emulation about 4 times as fast, and thats with an 208Mhz ARM9 chip.
Do not buy the X1 if you like playing (console) games.
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Thanks for the reply, My E6 had a intel PXA270 chipset clocked at 312mhz but with overclocking I could boost it to 528mhz and 620mhz and that vastly improved gaming, Can we do this on the X1?. And what about Doom and Quake.
Welcome to the forums .
1 - Yes. Most will have some lag, but the good thing is there are many to choose from. MorphGear, PicoDrive PocketNES, PocketSNES, etc. The emulator gaming is enjoyable, but will perfect.
You have a choice of hundreds of WinMo games + Java games + PC ports like StarCraft and Diablo, so there are plenty of games.
2 - Yes, you can play them on the X1. Quake is not modified for the WVGA resolution AFAIK, but Quake 3 is playable with a slow framerate. Doom worked only once for me, but I didn't bother to fix it. I just don't find those type of games playable without a mouse...
3 - No overclocking for the X1 so far. There are a couple of programs, but they either do nothing, or start once and then freeze.
Use search, read, learn and feel free to ask questions after that .
@orelsi thanks so much for the info. Sweet we can play Starcraft and Diablo. Dam no overclocking thats a shame. hmm so quake and doom are not made for the 800x400 res, thats okay I bet there is alot of 3d java games for the X1. And yes next time I wll use the search I just really needed to know these answers, and get a chance to talk to some members.
Double post. Mods, please delete it.
I'm glad that I was able to help .
About the games. When I got the X1, I was thinking that I would play games on it all the time. Well... it didn't work out that way lol. Between the browsing, reading rss feeds and books, tweaking options, mp3s, clips, etc. I barely got time for a quick game haha.
All the games are just rusting in the corner.
Nevertheless, when you think how hot StarCraft was back in the day and that now you can carry it in your pocket..... makes you wonder about the future .
Check out this list of games. It can give you a general idea:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522761
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All the Emulators are performing like crap (on the MSM720*).
Only (low action) SNES games on Morphgear, like Mario or other lame games (sorry but i hate platforms) where actually able to play on a decent framerate.
Secret of Mana for example was unplayable, unless you like humongous lag. Enabling sound only makes it worse. At the time I actually gave a crap about it, I couldnt stand playing it any longer then 10 minutes, since the qwerty keyboard is not usuable for gaming (in a comfort way, it functions fine in morphgear)
Emulation on WM6.1 is bull****, apart from the PS1 emulator that is, even though the MSM7200 is immensely underpowered for it, seeing that thing on a Snapdragon or OMAP3 chipset (youtube it) is pure awesomeness.
My S.E. M600 did GBA/SEGA Genesis emulation about 4 times as fast, and thats with an 208Mhz ARM9 chip.
Do not buy the X1 if you like playing (console) games.
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Have been playing Chrono Trigger on Morphgear for months and no problem for me.
And if you can stand the black bar on the side of the screen, quake not being WVGA shouldn't be a problem.
One last thing, What about Swap Partions for the X1?
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Have been playing Chrono Trigger on Morphgear for months and no problem for me.
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Well, I might've took things out of context, but i was REALLY disappointed in the Emulation capabilities of my X1.
I remember completely finishing multiple action-oriented SEGA Genesis games on my S.E. M600i (208mhz ARM9), Sonic&Knuckles (very fast platform), Streets of Rage (beat em up), Vectorman (action, platform), and some mickeymouse game (action/platform). All of these had perfect stereo sound, and i often had a framerate above realtime.
Then you can understand, that when i got my X1 (totally excited about its WAY FASTER CPU) and booted up similar games, i was extremely confused that i had no sound (without screwing my fps even more), terrible framerate and TBH, awefull controlls. That is the reason, why i think the X1, and all similar, underpowered Windows Mobile devices, is a PITA to play emulated games on.
About the swap. We dont have it (AFAIK), and we'll never need it. My percentage of Ram usage is always under 90%, no matter how many apps i open. Mainly this is because of a (IMO retarded) 16MB/32MB Ram per app limit.