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Battery life?! - please confirm the influence of radio version (post 38)

What is your experience with battery life? How often have you recharge it?

Twice a day. But thats because Im using high speed data (3G, HSDPA, WiFi), browsing the web a lot and testing/developing software.

Thanks. And what is "stand by" time? If I leave the mobile switched on without using.

hey
i think it can last for more than 3 days on standby. i recharge it once a day (normal use). if i do heavy data/multimedia use its twice a day.. not so nice as i think

I am disappointed to find that using gps in car with Tilt plugged into car charger, the battery drains faster than it recharges - requiring a charge with phone off to get full battery. Anyone else?

s730 with GPS?! Do you have the preproduction model?

rooomish said:
s730 with GPS?! Do you have the preproduction model?
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I guess he means HTC Kaiser / Tytn II aka AT&T Tilt.

mine is also not really great, if i compare it to my old vpa compact II, which has a bigger touchscreen and only 200mah bigger battery, its really shameful, cause my old vpa holds easily 3-4 days, but it has only 200mhz i will look for a stronger battery for my s730...

please report in if you find a stronger battery

search ebay for: Battery HTC S730 bought 2(fake i guess)including recharger

A.Bagatov said:
please report in if you find a stronger battery
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Got a 1800mAh coming in a day or two. Should be better than the oem. I was charging once a day with it, but taking it easy so I didn't run out.

does the battery from the s710/vox fits inside s730/wings?

cbreze said:
Got a 1800mAh coming in a day or two. Should be better than the oem. I was charging once a day with it, but taking it easy so I didn't run out.
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where did you get it? its the bigger one? or its so small like the original? whats the name of the producer, im a little bit worry about my descendants, if you understand what i mean(explosion)

HTC S710/S730 Extended Battery 1800 mAh
Here is some link:
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/931/htc-s710-s730-extended-battery-1800-mah
Tell us the experience with it!

rooomish said:
Here is some link:
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/931/htc-s710-s730-extended-battery-1800-mah
Tell us the experience with it!
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1800 mAh cant have the same size as the 1050's from HTC. It may be bigger but this meand you need special cover. S710 and S730 uses same batteries but the cover is different (I tried that).

1) And the cover is included - or it is the bottom of battery?
2) Can you make the photo?
3) How it increase the battery life?
Yeh moneytoo - you mean the differences between the original battery putted to s710 and s730. well it be interesting if somebody will share the experience with this (maybe thicker) stronger battery and put here the back loop.
Thanks, R.

P.S. On the other side - the capacity of AAA cells is still growing - but the size is the same.

ive found this one:
http://cgi.ebay.de/2250mAh-Extented...ageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122
but the question is: it is the right cover for s730? if not, where can i get it...

The battery life is just useless on this phone and I'm ready to give up on it.
I charge it fully overnight and with normal use (less than 1 hour of calls, some texting, web browsing on 3G) it is completely dead by 6-7pm! This is without using WiFi, Bluetooth, media player, skype or anything else you might think would be more battery intensive.
I'm often out at work all day and don't get home until late in the evening. I need a phone that will last at least 12-15 hours with normal use, and the S730 does not seem up to the task.
Is this just par for the course with WM6 phones or what?

i just got mine and talking all day it has lasted two so far with 30% left on the original (out of the box) charge.

Battery life. Is it that bad?

I'm thinking of buying the Touch Diamond but I'm kind of drawn back by its battery (900mAh).
In practice, how much autonomy does it really have?

MaroO said:
I'm thinking of buying the Touch Diamond but I'm kind of drawn back by its battery (900mAh).
In practice, how much autonomy does it really have?
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phone IS great, battery sucks, with good use 1 day.

can hold 2 1/2 days on normalk use and if you switch it off at night...
but yeah, breat phone, battery is a peace of s...t

Better or worse than the good old Touch?

If you disable the 3G when your not using it.
The battery is not that bad !
it makes a big difference

sorry .. double post

Well i have made it clear to myself that i will need to get the bigget battery.
Its 2 bad that the whole phones realy cool finish and uses get totaly blown to peaces when the battery cant support it...
Well Htc Diamond will be the first and last Htc phone ill buy
This together with how dam bad sound it has both in head phones and BLuetooth just makes it a bad phone for me atleast

Well... I think I'll just hold off buying a new phone for a bit. I will only be able to make an informed decision once the Nokia N96 (sucky battery too though) and the HTC Touch Pro will be out.

For me if it lasts a day then whats the problem?
Is it really that much of a hardship to plug it in on a night?

anheuer said:
If you disable the 3G when your not using it.
The battery is not that bad !
it makes a big difference
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I agree; disable whatever you don't need: 3 days for me

Have you guys ever had a phones besides Htc?
It sound like you have not..
It should not be an option to let costumers have a low battery time like it is on the diamond.
Mine was for free so i should not mind. But i have about 4 other phones that are allso new that has 10 times longer battery time.
Only diffrence between them if Gps and toutch. Oh and that Htc has sucky sound on Bluetooth and normal headset
Dont get me wrong i like the diamond on many way. BUT I FREAKING HATE THE BATTERY.
And you cant say anything allse. All of you.

jimmyhawkin said:
Well i have made it clear to myself that i will need to get the bigget battery.
Its 2 bad that the whole phones realy cool finish and uses get totaly blown to peaces when the battery cant support it...
Well Htc Diamond will be the first and last Htc phone ill buy
This together with how dam bad sound it has both in head phones and BLuetooth just makes it a bad phone for me atleast
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Im sure you haven't heard of the kitchen right?

Yes, the battery life is THAT bad.
That the battery lasts a day is a myth. If you watch two movies back to back on coreplayer, you'll run out of battery in a few hours.
I think the solution is to get a second battery and an external charger that can charge the battery outside the phone. Does anyone know if something like that came out for the Diamond yet?

not sure if the cradle charges battery on their own..but i tend to charge my phone back up with the usb cable while im at work.

aydc said:
Yes, the battery life is THAT bad.
That the battery lasts a day is a myth. If you watch two movies back to back on coreplayer, you'll run out of battery in a few hours.
I think the solution is to get a second battery and an external charger that can charge the battery outside the phone. Does anyone know if something like that came out for the Diamond yet?
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Rofl I think any decent phone will run out of batt when you watch two movies. Even my previous Nokia 6120 or any other ...

jimmyhawkin said:
Have you guys ever had a phones besides Htc?
It sound like you have not..
It should not be an option to let costumers have a low battery time like it is on the diamond.
Mine was for free so i should not mind. But i have about 4 other phones that are allso new that has 10 times longer battery time.
Only diffrence between them if Gps and toutch. Oh and that Htc has sucky sound on Bluetooth and normal headset
Dont get me wrong i like the diamond on many way. BUT I FREAKING HATE THE BATTERY.
And you cant say anything allse. All of you.
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Its my first HTC.
Sound is not that bad if you buy a decent headset.
You can also upgrade the sound quality with WOW SRS HD.
I come from a SE W910i (Walkman phone) and SE K850i. (Camera Phone)
None of the above have 10 times longer batteritime than my HTC. None of yours has too.
If i use it the same way as the above phones the batteritime lasts almost just as long. (Calling, sms, music)

At the end of the day people... the battery is not as strong as we would like - never will be.
HTC could have designed a brick like the N95 and put in a higher capacity battery... but would you have wanted the phone twice as thick ???
Wait for the extended one from HTC, comes with a proper replacement back with the burshed alu insert around the camera too
I love the size of the TD... amazes me that it does what it does in such a small package TBH.

If you watch two movies on a lap top it will drain the battery too. I mean come on, even dedicated handheld video players onl have about 6 hours life.

aydc said:
Yes, the battery life is THAT bad.
That the battery lasts a day is a myth. If you watch two movies back to back on coreplayer, you'll run out of battery in a few hours.
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good one... watching 4 hours of videos will drain any device.
For my personal usage the diamond now lasts ~2 days, im not calling much but i surf at least an hour per day on the diamond.

3 days here
im happy with it with my rom
3 days standby with normal use is ok for me

Battery life - how long?

Ok, so the Diamond has a poor battery life, but how poor? How many hours do you get out of yours without any ROM changes? How many hours do you get after tweaking and with ROM updates?
What about the newer extended life batteries? How much more life would they give? 20%? 50%? 100?
Thanks,
Jon

My battery lasts for about 4-5 days with normal phone and PPC usage.
(ROM 1.93 and no internet connection/3G/GPRS or GPS turned on).

Charge twice a day
I charge mine twice a day. I am a heavy user and have exchange server / push mail on all the time.
For this reason i have two batteries and change them every moning and afternoon.

Jon12345 said:
Ok, so the Diamond has a poor battery life, but how poor? How many hours do you get out of yours without any ROM changes? How many hours do you get after tweaking and with ROM updates?
What about the newer extended life batteries? How much more life would they give? 20%? 50%? 100?
Thanks,
Jon
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If you rationalise it: Lets say with the 900maH you get 2 days, then what is your last question about. If you get the 1800maH battery then, then the life is dubbeld. Looks like a no brainer to me. Or do you expect us to guess at what your going to use, how long, what power it uses and then make a guess at the time?
Mine was tweaked and lasted more then a week, while on standby.
btw: Why not all your questions in 1 topic?

wontcachme said:
If you rationalise it: Lets say with the 900maH you get 2 days, then what is your last question about. If you get the 1800maH battery then, then the life is dubbeld. Looks like a no brainer to me. Or do you expect us to guess at what your going to use, how long, what power it uses and then make a guess at the time?
Mine was tweaked and lasted more then a week, while on standby.
btw: Why not all your questions in 1 topic?
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"doubled" looks like a no brainer to me, too... Apparently different people think in different ways.

zirinisp said:
I charge mine twice a day. I am a heavy user and have exchange server / push mail on all the time.
For this reason i have two batteries and change them every moning and afternoon.
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Twice a day!!! Is that all! lol
I have mine on the charger at night; then if i'm on the computer the diamond is plugged in via the usb port; my half hour commute means she's plugged in the cars cigarette lighter, and it's plugged in a charger a lot at work. I'm a GPS, 3G surfing, mp3 playing bandit though.
If i aint doing any of the above, and use it just as a phone the battery will last a while. (at least 2 days) But if i just didnt want a phone...

With normal battery you can only watch two movies on Coreplayer and you're out. With GPS on you get 2-3 hours max. It's almost scandalous.
If you only use it as a phone, you get decent battery life, but I've bought it to also use it as a PDA. The battery is simply insufficient.
I've had to buy an emergency charger which lets you charge the battery on the road using any normal AA battery.

My solution to the battery problem

No matter how you look at it, the battery life of Diamond is dismal. You can only last a day if you don't watch movies, if you don't listen to music, if you don't use GPS. But then, why did we buy this phone if we won't be able to use it?
I was fed up with it, so I bought an emergency charger like the one you can see here:
http://www.cdwg.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=1113988
Now I can use normal AA batteries to charge my Diamond. A rechargeble battery of 2700 mAh can charge it 3 times which will last the day no matter how much you use it.
So if you carry around a few normal AA batteries with such a small charger like I do, you don't have a battery problem anymore...
UPDATE (actually a sad correction): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2502994&postcount=32

Very good idea. It is one more thing in our pocket, but it can be very usefull in some cases.

The American Diamond comes with a 1340 mAh battery... So it shouldn't be as troublesome as your 900 mAh power source.

and are they bigger ?
Could u give us the dimensions of your phone with this kind of battery ?

A 1340 mah battery would last only 50% longer than the standard one. A charger like mine with an AA battery would make the phone last 300% longer. You only have to carry one more thing in your bag.

With your cigarettes, your wallet, your keys, etc.
Yeah I know I should quit smoking then !

I wonder if this would work: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8103
It's obviously not as efficient because it only uses 1 battery, but it's a lot smaller.

I used one of those at Glastonbury this year on my old nokia n73 all it does is give you an emergency charge say 2 bars on a nokia. Enough to make a few quick calls.

or something like this?
wonder if it will work on a Diamond?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USD-GM051-Uni...39969QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

xirederf said:
and are they bigger ?
Could u give us the dimensions of your phone with this kind of battery ?
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According to some specs I have seen for the "HTC Victor" on the Sprint network, the thickness of the phone increases to 0.6 inches from 0.5 Inches (14mm from 11.5mm)
I for one would be happy to add an extra 2.5mm to my phone to get the increased battery life.
I believe its a bulkier battery with a deeper back cover.

All HTC devices have crap battery life, its generally because people use them for things other than phones. Im sure if you did all what is stated on a normal phone then it wouldnt last much longer than a day as well. I know my Sony Ericsson will probably only last 2 days if I just have a bluetooth headset connected, and thats without making any calls, watching videos or listening to music.
Top Tip, carry a travel USB cable with you, youre never to far from a PC... When Im away on business I keep my diamond and TyTn plugged into the lappy all the time.

Car charger
I use a car charger. It is more practical.

I have no battery problems at all with my Diamond. The battery was pretty bad at first (would only last a day), but now it's fine and I can get 3-4 days out of a single charge.

In-car charger plus desktop charger when at work. Result? Infinite battery life!

tmohammad said:
According to some specs I have seen for the "HTC Victor" on the Sprint network, the thickness of the phone increases to 0.6 inches from 0.5 Inches (14mm from 11.5mm)
I for one would be happy to add an extra 2.5mm to my phone to get the increased battery life.
I believe its a bulkier battery with a deeper back cover.
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indeed, you need an extra back cover
http://www.expansys.pt/p.aspx?i=166204

Im with the fella above,
Bought an extra mini-usb cable and carry all the time with me.
I have in the car some of those carchargers with usb out (of a non working FM-RAdio USB that bought for 4 euros), at home i use the DC charger at the office i connect it to the laptop.
All HTC have battery problems and diamong beeing a small unit, its a price to pay.
Same to the iphone in 3G mode.

to be honest since i bought the phone and charged it a couple of times, i get a 3 days tops usage with music, calls and all the other clicking. i don't know about you guys, but so far i'm quite happy with my batery life, and i haven't been using it for more than 3 weeks yet.
and in case i will eventualy have this issue, a spare batery will do the job

iliescu902 said:
to be honest since i bought the phone and charged it a couple of times, i get a 3 days tops usage with music, calls and all the other clicking. i don't know about you guys, but so far i'm quite happy with my batery life, and i haven't been using it for more than 3 weeks yet.
and in case i will eventualy have this issue, a spare batery will do the job
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My bat life is also OK now. Any of you guys considered to buy a spare bat - it's the smallest soultion I think, but of couse you need rebooting the phone.

This is another good solution.... I think
http://www.tang-shop.com/universal-external-battery-powerbox.html
9600 mAh, ten times the OEM battery, more than 24 hours with active gps for instance

tonyb15re said:
All HTC devices have crap battery life, its generally because people use them for things other than phones. Im sure if you did all what is stated on a normal phone then it wouldnt last much longer than a day as well.
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YEEES ! that's the solution ! I'll stop using my Diamond for what i bought it for !
And maybe, buy instead a nokia 1600 !
But what you say is true... I have an old SE that is used only to wake me up... it lasts at least 1 month without charging !

X1 Battery Life (1 year later)

The battery in my X1 lasted literally five hours today. A couple text messages, some wifi browsing, no calls. My phone gets to the 40-50% mark then my phone starts barking that my battery is low. Is there anything I can do to correct this or should I just get a new battery (which is the original BTW).
If I need to get a new battery, are there any authentic OEM batteries on EBay? I don't want to buy from SonyStyle because they are $54 after my discount.

emuneee said:
The battery in my X1 lasted literally five hours today. A couple text messages, some wifi browsing, no calls. My phone gets to the 40-50% mark then my phone starts barking that my battery is low. Is there anything I can do to correct this or should I just get a new battery (which is the original BTW).
If I need to get a new battery, are there any authentic OEM batteries on EBay? I don't want to buy from SonyStyle because they are $54 after my discount.
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i have same problem but my Battery is fake
so i need to buy original one too
but it has very high price
about 70$ on amazon.com
here is usefull link Original VS. Fake BST-41 XPERIA X1 Battery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540054
is you find somwhere on internet market Original BST-41 Battery please PM me
i want to buy but not so high price
"Together we stand
Alone we fall"

My battery lasts a respectable amount of time. I listen to the radio on the hour bus ride to work, usually place a couple of phone calls, do some email reading, send a couple of SMS. Usually, my phone gets left on during the day for eight or so hours, then it gets similar treatment on the way home. I also usually make quite a few calls during the day, and it has Exchange Activesync running on it most of the time, and is using 3/3.5G connections. By the time I get home, the battery is often reading about 50%. Theres also various automatic downloads - for RSS, weather, social data and so on every couple of hours.
I've also not-charged it in the night, and it's been good for two days of this kind of activity, by which time the battery is usually on a low-battery warning, but still kicking, by the time I get home on the second day. I've found the battery to be something I can rely upon, but it's also massively varied with rom - battery drains crazyfast using the EnergyROM series, whereas the Rusch/Wildchild Manilla colab builds have relatively minimal drain.

@emuneee
is this with stock rom and radio? All these crazy manila roms are pretty hard on battery usage. Im trying to decide if my battery isnt holding as much a charge as it used to or if its the roms I've been using. I dont want to buy a new battery then find out it makes no difference

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@emuneee
is this with stock rom and radio? All these crazy manila roms are pretty hard on battery usage. Im trying to decide if my battery isnt holding as much a charge as it used to or if its the roms I've been using. I dont want to buy a new battery then find out it makes no difference
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I use Wildchild's Pure WM6.5 ROM, so there is no manila.

i use energy leo rom and mine lasts 4 days with intensive use

My battery life IMPROVED!
Yes, you heard right! Thanks to newer Roms and radios the current consumption got lower, so the battery life got better.
Only on hard use (playing, surfing, etc) i get battery problems. But normal use allows me to use the phone 2-3 days. When my xperia was new i only could use it one day, because even in standby it consumpet to much energy (about 20% in 8 hours).
thumbs up for our xda-devs

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 Handy Akkus
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 Handy Akkus
look at:
http://www.accushop.at/de/Akkus/Akku-fuer-Handy/Sony-Ericsson/XPERIA-X1

Reijnders said:
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 Handy Akkus
look at:
http://www.accushop.at/de/Akkus/Akku-fuer-Handy/Sony-Ericsson/XPERIA-X1
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That's fairly cheap. But keep in mind that the battery only has 1000mAh with 3.7V output, unlike the original 1450mAh with 3.6V output.
In any case, you can buy a new batter after another year for this cheap price heh

emuneee said:
The battery in my X1 lasted literally five hours today. A couple text messages, some wifi browsing, no calls. My phone gets to the 40-50% mark then my phone starts barking that my battery is low. Is there anything I can do to correct this or should I just get a new battery (which is the original BTW).
If I need to get a new battery, are there any authentic OEM batteries on EBay? I don't want to buy from SonyStyle because they are $54 after my discount.
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i have the same problem .
I charge my phone every day .

i found on my country used X1 battery for 40$
but i don't know buy or not for 40$ used X1 battery?
i think no because i dont need used battery
anyone knows who can i make to buy from sonystyle X1 battery discount
i will pay 55$ if it will be real original battery from sonystyle

Reversedhex said:
i use energy leo rom and mine lasts 4 days with intensive use
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You WHAT?? I charge my battery every day. I don't mind, because this is not inconvenient (charger @work and @home) and I too consider myself a heavy user. But FOUR DAYS?
I have noticed an issue, which I experience with both my original battery and a brand new clone BST-41 (still 1500mAh). This is that the battery will normally merrily dwindle down to about 20-30%, at which point the X1 will die. I then plug it back in, and once it's booted I find the battery reads critical, but of course it's charging. Once it's charged back up to round about 75%, it'll skip to full, and cease charging.
The net result is that only 70% or so of my battery is usable, which is very irksome. This is the case across every ROM I've tried lately (I don't remember it on stock, but I ditched that over a year ago).
Has anybody else experienced this? Again, this is with 2 separate batteries, so I must presume it is a phone hardware bug/fault/"feature".
-- Joe

Here's a challenge for all your Xperia's. To you who still has 3 - 4 days life span, could you try playing mp3's? strictly via earphones. say in1 hour and 30 minutes. See if the battery last for a day.
When I do that while going to work, My battery after 1 hour or so drops to 30%. I even thought why put this feature in the first place, what was SE thinking? Other SE music phones lasts until you decided to stop playing. I know. Iknow. It's not a music but what the heck... 30%?

MrLeche said:
Here's a challenge for all your Xperia's. To you who still has 3 - 4 days life span, could you try playing mp3's? strictly via earphones. say in1 hour and 30 minutes. See if the battery last for a day.
When I do that while going to work, My battery after 1 hour or so drops to 30%. I even thought why put this feature in the first place, what was SE thinking? Other SE music phones lasts until you decided to stop playing. I know. Iknow. It's not a music but what the heck... 30%?
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I left my X1 playing MP3s on earphones. From 100%, after 4 hours it read 73%.
@G. Leche: maybe you had left the screen or WiFi on. The screen, WiFi (and/or push internet), and GPS are the main battery gobblers. And how's your signal? Frequent G/E/3G switching (or simply having to search for the signal at all) will increase the radio's battery consumption 3-4 times

harveydent said:
I left my X1 playing MP3s on earphones. From 100%, after 4 hours it read 73%.
@G. Leche: maybe you had left the screen or WiFi on. The screen, WiFi (and/or push internet), and GPS are the main battery gobblers. And how's your signal? Frequent G/E/3G switching (or simply having to search for the signal at all) will increase the radio's battery consumption 3-4 times
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nope. not at all. in fact "nireklamo ko pa 'to sa SE SM Carpark" told them my phone's a bit warm. Brought 'em there 100% went around shopping and played eheads on my ear. Went back to Se after an hour so they can have a look. and they all said "normal". I guess your lucky, I bet yours is black.
and oh, naka sun cellular ako. maybe it's part of the battery drain.

yup, mine is black.
hmmm... sounds like something is using up your batt. maybe an app? i was driving around a while ago and had nitrogen on the external speaker. that's the only time it gets warm when playing MP3s (due to the screen has to be on if you want to use the speakers)

I worked at AccuShop for some time - they are generally nice folks.
Maybe I can do a review!
P.S. 1 year old, and no real changes. IMHO, the problem is that the box needs a good charge from a wallwart from time to time - always tricklecharging via USB makes the logic go bonkers!

Just got standard apps, and standard rom (SEUS). except for ms voice commander. I play mp3's through media panel btw.
I haven't even left mine to over charge, since I bought it. I always have habit though of buying a spare battery whenever I bought a new one, same goes for my laptops. But last time SE doesn't have spare batteries for X1 and since taking off of the cover can risk my phone to crack (just an educated speculation though) I don't see myself changing battery from time to time with my Xperia.

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Originally Posted by emuneee
The battery in my X1 lasted literally five hours today. A couple text messages, some wifi browsing, no calls. My phone gets to the 40-50% mark then my phone starts barking that my battery is low. Is there anything I can do to correct this or should I just get a new battery (which is the original BTW).
If I need to get a new battery, are there any authentic OEM batteries on EBay? I don't want to buy from SonyStyle because they are $54 after my discount.
i have the same problem .
I charge my phone every day .
Sounds like a battery problem to me. Personally I would buy an OEM battery. Check online retailers for better prices. Using cheap batteries is a lottery.

anyone can recognize this battery is original or fake?
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Ericsson-BST-41-Standard-Battery/dp/B001IF277K/ref=pd_cp_cps_1
it hac low price so i interested if this is original?
i want to buy
i send mail to this seller but don't answer me steel
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