...or is it just me? Some are really, really nice, but all seem to have one fundamental flaw for me. They suck at dialing. I could see if it happened once in a while, but about 1/2 the wrong digit, despite using just the tip of my finger. God forbid I actually use the pad of my finger.
For instance... I'll go for the 2, but get an 8 or 0 or something equally ridiculous. Of course, if I use the stylus, I don't have any issues.
I'm past the point of thinking it's a dialer software problem. I was thinking it might be a sensitivity issue, but it has been this way with every ROM I've tried, and regardless of where I put the sensitivity setting.
Is anyone else experiencing this? I don't have the same issue with my girlfriend's Treo 750. The touch screen on that dials just fine, both with the stock ROM and the 6.1 WWE version we're running now.
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...or is it just me? Some are really, really nice, but all seem to have one fundamental flaw for me. They suck at dialing. I could see if it happened once in a while, but about 1/2 the wrong digit, despite using just the tip of my finger. God forbid I actually use the pad of my finger.
For instance... I'll go for the 2, but get an 8 or 0 or something equally ridiculous. Of course, if I use the stylus, I don't have any issues.
I'm past the point of thinking it's a dialer software problem. I was thinking it might be a sensitivity issue, but it has been this way with every ROM I've tried, and regardless of where I put the sensitivity setting.
Is anyone else experiencing this? I don't have the same issue with my girlfriend's Treo 750. The touch screen on that dials just fine, both with the stock ROM and the 6.1 WWE version we're running now.
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You know it is disappointing that a member with 269 posts still doesn't know where to post this kind of information. Wrong forum, and i am willing to be there are other threads to complain about sucky dialers.
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You know it is disappointing that a member with 269 posts still doesn't know where to post this kind of information. Wrong forum, and i am willing to be there are other threads to complain about sucky dialers.
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I've posted, and see posted, stuff like this before in the Kaiser main forum, and have seen people complain that it's in the "wrong forum". Where do you propose I put this? One though is that it's a ROM issue, because other programs touch features work just fine.
...and I did search. I did a search for "dialer wrong number" and "inaccurate dialer". The only thread I found that was relevant was this one, which turned out to be a ***** fest.
This is a grey area, so for you to just call this thread out "is disappointing".
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Word!
*Gots to get my post count up!*
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Wow, what do you call this? It's not even relevant to the thread. I could honestly give two hoots about my post count. I don't come here to win competitions on who can post the most. I am a member of many forums where my post count is higher than this, but I barely notice.
Word. What a tard.
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I've posted, and see posted, stuff like this before in the Kaiser main forum, and have seen people complain that it's in the "wrong forum". Where do you propose I put this? One though is that it's a ROM issue, because other programs touch features work just fine.
This is a grey area, so for you to just call this thread out "is disappointing".
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Dialers would be a software issue, and i'm confident this thread will eventually be moved either to Kaiser Software or Kaiser general. Honestly i believe the issue is that a lot of the dialers are actually ported from other devices. Most of them were not designed for the Kaiser originally. The stock dialer that comes with the AT&T rom actually performs much better in my option than any of the dual touch dialer, which is the most common dialer to find in cooked roms. Just my opinion, I should have posted this in my post. My apologies.
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Word!
*Gots to get my post count up!*
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Absolutely nothing of value to add??? Maybe you shouldn't post. If you want to get your post count up, i recommend that you spend time learning, and then post helpful suggestions to other users who have questions.
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Word. What a tard.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. We should all be respectful, even when people don't deserve it. Just report offensive posts.
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Dialers would be a software issue, and i'm confident this thread will eventually be moved either to Kaiser Software or Kaiser general. Honestly i believe the issue is that a lot of the dialers are actually ported from other devices. Most of them were not designed for the Kaiser originally. The stock dialer that comes with the AT&T rom actually performs much better in my option than any of the dual touch dialer, which is the most common dialer to find in cooked roms. Just my opinion, I should have posted this in my post. My apologies.
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No, if you feel this should honestly be in another thread, then you should say so. If, like you say, it is an issue with ported dialers, then it belongs here, as the cooks using these dialers should fix the issue.
Absolutely nothing of value to add??? Maybe you shouldn't post. If you want to get your post count up, i recommend that you spend time learning, and then post helpful suggestions to other users who have questions.
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No, if you feel this should honestly be in another thread, then you should say so. If, like you say, it is an issue with ported dialers, then it belongs here, as the cooks using these dialers should fix the issue.
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Guess we'll see Dialer actually have nothing to do with rom development. They are just an add-on software that people change as they see fit.
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*laughing to no one, drooling on his shirt and wipes a booger on his screen*
Tard?
Go to Guitar Center and pick yerself up a Jim Dunlop Metal Finger Pick. ...problem solved.
*Adds yet another 'notch' toward his posting milestone of 4.37 billion posts*
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Please stop. Your post has been reported, and as such i will not reply to any more of your posts. You should treat the other members with respect.
Enough....back to top of the thread.
I have GIANT fingers. MOD EDIT: Congratulations! ... and I have no problems dialing. Also, I have issues trying to see the screen while I am driving MOD EDIT: Glad you have a license! ...so I use voice dialing more often while driving.
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try this dialer skin
Your aren't alone with this.....but i found a great dialer skin below that works even with pad touch! Hope this helps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408005&page=1
all touch screen dialers for any phone can't be perfect. It takes a lot of practice aiming your fingers to find the sweet spot on these dialers.
It shouldn't take any practice. I'm a first aid attendant and if I have to toss my phone at someone so they can call 911 while I have to perform an intervention, they shouldn't have to practice.
Crap, I just about called 911 by accident when I tried to call 611 yesterday.
I don't care who people want to say is responsible, cooks or people who port; I'm near ready to go back to an OEM ROM.
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It shouldn't take any practice. I'm a first aid attendant and if I have to toss my phone at someone so they can call 911 while I have to perform an intervention, they shouldn't have to practice.
Crap, I just about called 911 by accident when I tried to call 611 yesterday.
I don't care who people want to say is responsible, cooks or people who port; I'm near ready to go back to an OEM ROM.
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Totally agree.
When i call in a hurry i almost always get at least one digit wrong.
It is really frustrating.
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It shouldn't take any practice. I'm a first aid attendant and if I have to toss my phone at someone so they can call 911 while I have to perform an intervention, they shouldn't have to practice.
Crap, I just about called 911 by accident when I tried to call 611 yesterday.
I don't care who people want to say is responsible, cooks or people who port; I'm near ready to go back to an OEM ROM.
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maybe you ought to worry more about the practicality of the phone you're using given your circumstances.
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It shouldn't take any practice. I'm a first aid attendant and if I have to toss my phone at someone so they can call 911 while I have to perform an intervention, they shouldn't have to practice.
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Sorry, but I have to ask....
Should we be "Tossing" our Kaisers?????
Just seems to me if you have to "Toss" this wonderful phone, that I hope you have the insurance plan on it in case the person your tossing it to doesn't catch it.
The Diamond dialer linked above, combined with editing the registry to increase the TouchPanel sensitivity to 5000, makes it very easy to dial with huge thumbs like mine.
I raised a similar thread a while back based on trying to make the Kaiser more finger friendly: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376271
My top suggestion for you is to install Finger-Friendly Friends http://www.jotto.no/fff/ which is so quick to find contacts with fat/clumsy finger usage. It obviously doesn't remove the issue of when you want to dial a new number, but I highly recommend you try it out.
Rob
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Sorry, but I have to ask....
Should we be "Tossing" our Kaisers?????
Just seems to me if you have to "Toss" this wonderful phone, that I hope you have the insurance plan on it in case the person your tossing it to doesn't catch it.
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Sometimes literal can be a simile for anal. Let's not become too much of either and use a bit of common sense instead.
For the other fellow above:
As for my choice in phones, it may be a toy for you, but it's my PIM and life organiser (I have adhd, so a good PIM is like a second Rx) and it's also a phone. If it can't function properly as a phone, then I should just buy an iPhone, or a Nokia. Or stick to OEM softs.
XDA seems to be filled with people who think they can cook a ROM better than HTC or AT&T, and yet there's this dialer issue.
Not trying to insult anyone in particular, just asking, what gives?
If anyone has a useful link to a dialer that works well, with nice big buttons AND smart dial, please speak up.
If we were in a ROM/app release thread, there would be an effort to keep the thread on topic and keep posts useful. I don't feel you two gentlepersons have been terrible useful.
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I raised a similar thread a while back based on trying to make the Kaiser more finger friendly: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376271
My top suggestion for you is to install Finger-Friendly Friends http://www.jotto.no/fff/ which is so quick to find contacts with fat/clumsy finger usage. It obviously doesn't remove the issue of when you want to dial a new number, but I highly recommend you try it out.
Rob
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Yes, I've tried it. Very nice app. Unfortunately I can't foresee all the numbers I need to all for the next day/week/month... so a functional dialer would still be useful.
I also wonder if the increasing sensitivity of the touch screen for touchflo/iclone apps contributes to dialer suckiness... Anyone confirm this?
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... and I must say I'm pretty impressed. Unlike what appears to be general consensus, I'm pretty much sold on Touchflo 3D, bút I still have some problems and questions some might be able to answer. Some of the questions I know are still unanswerable, some have already been answered, but I'm just writing them down for completeness. The ones that have been answered have been edited in for future reference.
- Can Opera be removed or can the Browser globe on the Internet page of TF3D be linked to Internet Explorer?
According to KukurikU, the answer to this question remains no for now. Probably, a modified ROM can change this behaviour. NChief says that using Opera some more would be a better idea, as he feels its a more capable browser.
- Can the background of TF3D be changed on all pages, instead of only the Home screen?
Not yet. This might be in future updates.
- Can we add custom cities to the TF3D Weather application?
No, according to a thread about this question, for now it appears HTC is using a DNS referral to forward our weather inquiries to AccuWeather in a special layout. Using any city in this script that is not listed in the normal list yields no result as the whole thing just reverts.
- Can you set the SMS/E-mail pages in TF3D to only display unread SMS/E-mail?
Not yet. This might be an option when TouchFlo 3D is more heavily modded.
- Can I have the battery indicator show at the top of the screen while TF3D is running?
According to most people, it should already be there. Sadly, it is not for me. I'll investigate this some more to find out if there is a particular reason for this.
- Can anyone tell me whether the bottom USB connector on the Diamond is a modified 5-pin USB mini connector, and whether such a plug can be used to charge the phone (in case I lose my original powercable).
Again, according to KukurikU, the original cable is a modified 5 pins mini-USB adapter, I'm going to take the guess that the remaining pins are used for audio/feedback purposes.
- What are generally accepted must-have games, and generally accepted must-have applications for WM6 / Diamond?
Sadly, KukurikU felt he was not intelligent enough to answer this question. Until now, I've found that Advanced Configuration is one handy utility to have (especially in combination with the quite useful tweaks topic), and that alternate GPS software (ie besides Google Maps) is much lighter on the battery.
I also have some remarks and comments:
- Hard-SPL Dev + TLR's ROM are on my Diamond and they're great improvements. They stopped me from returning my Dutch, crippled ROM without handwriting support, slow, laggy stuff.
- Overall impressed. Good battery-life, fast, responsive, uncluttered, very broad range of possibilities, wow.
In case I asked any stupid questions: yes, I'm new. Sue me.
Why, I'm glad to see so many enthusiastic replies . Let me add another question then:
- Is it possible to minimize TT7 while still having it use the voices to indicate the route (ie. to listen music and TT7 at the same time), and if not, does another navigation program support this?
It appears this should be possible, and in some cases I find it does work, in some cases it doesn't. If I find out what way to get both running is best, I'll edit it in.
- Learn to use opera and you will notice that it's WAY better than IE
- The background can not be changed on all TF3D pages (yet?)
- You can not add custom cityes to the TF3D Weather application
- I have learnd that I can use any mini-USB cabel for chargeing(don't think its recomended tho)
That's the questions I can answer, hope I got them right.
btw, try searching the forum
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Why, I'm glad to see so many enthusiastic replies
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Many of your questions have been asked and answered a thousand times over. Perhaps people have got sick of answering the same question to people too lazy to read what has already been written?
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Many of your questions have been asked and answered a thousand times over. Perhaps people have got sick of answering the same question to people too lazy to read what has already been written?
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I already stated in the first post that many of these have already been answered, but that I'm listing them for completeness. Please, if you want to point the finger at anyone not reading, please point it at yourself. Especially for you, I've been so free to bolden the text I'm referring to in my first post.
Besides that, I must say the search function on this forum is pretty useless - thanks to people posting those same questions over and over. For one of my questions, I ended up going back to page 13. I'm glad this forum is so inviting to people with questions, I mean, after all, a forum is not for asking things, is it now? Of course not, that would be absurd. Especially seeing that to find the answers to some of these questions, you have to spend almost an hour digging through multi-page threads in a 50-page topic list. It would be extremely hard to answer those questions for someone who knows the answer to these, I know, but honestly, I take it someone can put in the heroic and epic effort to at least try? Now, if there were a sticky with questions answered too often, that'd be a first step in the good direction. A bit like the, may I add, excellent list of tweaks. Do you hear anyone ask for tweaks besides in that topic? Of course not, there's a practical resource for going through that.
Nevertheless, I would like the answers on the questions not answered yet. There are at least three I know have not been answered yet, or of which I could not find the answer. At least, thanks for the ironic reply.
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Why, I'm glad to see so many enthusiastic replies . Let me add another question then:
- Is it possible to minimize TT7 while still having it use the voices to indicate the route (ie. to listen music and TT7 at the same time), and if not, does another navigation program support this?
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you are funny (not going to say ridiculous).
maybe you don't get answers because your questions are not of so great importance? ... games, applications, tt7 voices (is this a navigation programs forum? and btw, in igo8 this is an option of the program and not of the pda)? and so on...
Can I have the battery indicator show at the top of the screen while TF3D is running?
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this is a good example of life-death question. here is an answer: you should have it all the time, it is already there! duh!? look again...
i think you didn't notice that the great majority of posters here are fighting with really technical issues or waiting for help in critical issues, not to mention the ones that are developing tools and applications to make our diamond more reliable and fast. the forum is full with "after 1 week", "i have it for 2 weeks" complains and reviews. don't want to be mean or sarcastic (and it is hard for me not to) but could wait a little more or search a little more here and in other places?
I agree with tha-rami, the search function doesn't always provide the results you want and this is a forum i.e. a medium for a free and open exchange of views. Yes, a search is most peoples' first option but I for one simply don't have the time to spend hours and hours trawling through each page and topic.
Have a little patience and don't assume that a poster hasn't searched - two days ago the search function didn't work at all for me. If you can't be constructive in a reply then you have to question why you're replying at all!
Regards
Skier641
tha_rami said:
Why, I'm glad to see so many enthusiastic replies . Let me add another question then:
- Is it possible to minimize TT7 while still having it use the voices to indicate the route (ie. to listen music and TT7 at the same time), and if not, does another navigation program support this?
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On my previous Touch and Touch Dual and also Ameo devices ive had Tom Tom Navigator 6 minimised with music playing and the Voice directions have still worked.
I have John Cleese as the Voice on my device and its great listening to him chatting all over some dance music! hehe!
Regarding the custom city in Weather, see this thread... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397599
I agree with both sides of the argument.
It took me a few seconds to search for Custom City part of the Forum, but ive also had problems searching for items.
It would be nice if there was a thread started, that literally was edited and updated with all the common questions. (I suppose thats what the Wiki's for, but i never look at it as its never usually up to date) no other posts were added just 1 long 1st post that had a list of all the useful threads in it and what they were.
It can be hard trawling through many pages of threads trying to find what you want, but in my experience its worth it! Some of the replys to people asking questions can be a bit sarcastic tho...
eg
Search the Forum
Try Searching
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Have you thought about Clicking on Search?
But i understand where these people are coming from, they have all searched through the forums and looked for what they want. Maybe it does take a little longer but im hoping that moderators will begin to tidy things up on here as there are alot of duplicate posts and information.
I think maybe the Forum should have a "Diamond Reviews" or "Reviews and Experiences" section added in. That way all the people that want to voice their opinions can do in their own part of the forum, plus this will free up some of the General Diamond discussions. Just an idea, please dont flame me for my opinion.
Anyway, I agree that XDA Developers is an excellent source of information for all things Diamond. All good! Glad its here and glad there are so many helpful people on here. Nice one!
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I already stated in the first post that many of these have already been answered, but that I'm listing them for completeness.
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If you already knew the answers and were really interested in "posting for completeness", you'd have posted the answers too. More to the point, how exactly is the community here best served by posting the same old questions yet again, under yet another post with a completely nondescript title?
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Besides that, I must say the search function on this forum is pretty useless
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Someone should come up with some internet service dedicated to searching this big ol-internet thingy we've got going on. they could call it "Google" or "Live Search". Something like that. They can even limit your search to just the site you want!
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thanks to people posting those same questions over and over.
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LMAO!!! So you admit yourself that the search becomes useless because of people posting the same damn questions over and over - and to fix this... you post the same damn questions again! Nice logic you got going on there.
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For one of my questions, I ended up going back to page 13.
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Oh no. Thanks to your and your kind you had to go through the monumental effort of going back a whole 13 pages??? Firstly, stop posting these kinds of pointless posts and maybe you'll only have to go back 3 pages. And if even that's too much, those fancy interweb search engines should still ease your troubled journey.
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I'm glad this forum is so inviting to people with questions, I mean, after all, a forum is not for asking things, is it now?
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Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now?
I just asked your question several times. How did that help more than asking it just once? Most people don't have a problem with genuine questions. The same questions ad nauseum just wastes everyone's time though. you admit that yourself with your "i had to go to page 13!!!" rant.
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Especially seeing that to find the answers to some of these questions, you have to spend almost an hour digging through multi-page threads in a 50-page topic list.
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Again, your own fault, and those good search facilities help. they'd help even more if your thread had a meaningful title that was actually related to the question!
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I take it someone can put in the heroic and epic effort to at least try?
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So the smart people are supposed to put in a heroic effort to answer every single one of your questions, but you can't put in a heroic effort to search? Figures.
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Now, if there were a sticky with questions answered too often, that'd be a first step in the good direction.
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You should have started one instead of posting this nonsense.
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A bit like the, may I add, excellent list of tweaks. Do you hear anyone ask for tweaks besides in that topic? Of course not
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Hahaha. Right. Actually, you're wrong there.
lol! and i thought i am evil!? i am angel!
mr_ray, you are my hero!
pity, you wasted yr time and i may say yr literally talent....the spammers are stubborn, they don't quit easily.. they want their answers to their useless (i didn't say stupid) posts and they insist they have the right to pest this place.
you can explain to them, you can beg, you can ridicule them you even can insult .....no results..they'll never quit.
they just don't get it. they don't know that there are rules or maybe they know but don't give a f...
The arrogance is outstanding! There are just three sub-forums here for the Diamond so if you super smart phone geeks want to have your own sub-forum I suggest you start one - 'uber geek' or similar. This is a forum as previously stated and some seem to spend a great deal of time putting an individual down rather than pointing them in the right direction. Don't mention the search facility, it's poor. This evening I searched for 'GPS latitude' (I wanted to see if I could get raw lat & long without installing TomTom, Co-pilot or something similar). The result of the search pointed me to a thread of multiple pages - I got to page 13 before I gave up without any mention of anything relevant.
I give up quite a bit of my time suporting people via the Microsoft newsgroups for Vista, Outlook and wireless networks in the full knowledge that most posters don't have the knowledge that I do in these areas but, not once have I arbitarily decided that I'm smarter than them. No doubt in some cases I will be and in some cases I won't. But for your information, if qualifications are any measure of 'smartness' (and they're not!), I have a Bachelors and two Masters degrees and the next time your aircraft takes off late flying you to wherever it might just be because I'm searching a forum for the umpteenth hour.
Relax and help others, you may find that others will help you one day!
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Skier641
- Can Opera be removed or can the Browser globe on the Internet page of TF3D be linked to Internet Explorer?
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not yet
- Can the background of TF3D be changed on all pages, instead of only the Home screen?
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not yet
- Can we add custom cities to the TF3D Weather application?
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most certainly not
- Can you set the SMS/E-mail pages in TF3D to only display unread SMS/E-mail?
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no
- Can I have the battery indicator show at the top of the screen while TF3D is running?
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you already have it.
- Can anyone tell me whether the bottom USB connector on the Diamond is a modified 5-pin USB mini connector, and whether such a plug can be used to charge the phone (in case I lose my original powercable).
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it the most common usb cable. charging yr diamond this way is going to heat it a little bit. i recommend the original wall charger.
- What are generally accepted must-have games, and generally accepted must-have applications for WM6 / Diamond?
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lost at this one. i think only somebody with two masters can answer you to that. i only have a bachelor degree and only one master (electrical engineering...geek).
try and convince sky641 to answer you to that. he loves you and ppl like you no, wait, he is one of you. he didn't bother to answer to none of yr highly challenging questions but he did join you in complaining about the search feature and he keeps defending yr right to post..whatever you post.
now i hope that no plane is going to take off late....
signed,
a defeated, broken but relaxed ubergeek
regards
P.S.
i am and i was relaxed. staying in front my pc and reading posts like this one is more relaxing than watching a George Carlin show. Just laughing my a...off.
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not yet
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you already have it.
it the most common usb cable. charging yr diamond this way is going to heat it a little bit. i recommend the original wall charger.
lost at this one. i think only somebody with two masters can answer you to that. i only have a bachelor degree and only one master (electrical engineering...geek).
try and convince sky641 to answer you to that. he loves you and ppl like you no, wait, he is one of you. he didn't bother to answer to none of yr highly challenging questions but he did join you in complaining about the search feature and he keeps defending yr right to post..whatever you post.
now i hope that no plane is going to take off late....
signed,
a defeated, broken but relaxed ubergeek
regards
P.S.
i am and i was relaxed. staying in front my pc and reading posts like this one is more relaxing than watching a George Carlin show. Just laughing my a...off.
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Why, thank you. I'm not even going to reply further to Mr Ray, as I've had quite some fun reading his reply. He seems to indeed be quite literal, and he appears very good at ignoring the very cause of a forum and for indeed seems to love using that to put 40 minutes into trying to make fun out of someone (which ended up in a fail, although I did chuckle at the "Is it now?" thing, which was, admittedly, rather funny). Now, you, you are pretty horrible as well, but luckily, you posted some answers.
I'm glad to see people agree with me, and I know why. I know that they know that even Mr Ray and you both started one day by asking a question here. I know that most likely, you've been treated the exact same way, or that you were so lucky running into a normal person who has more to do than wasting 40 minutes putting someone down. Well, try someone else for that, I usually just skip those posts.
Oddly, I have a problem with one of the questions - and the problem is: there is no battery indicator, and if there were, why in gods or any deity's name would I ask for it? I'm using TLR's ROM 1 on a Dutch Diamond. I play to flash it to TLR's ROM 2 as soon as I get Outlook on this PC to at least not lose my contacts, and will report whether or not it shows up then.
Glad to know that the battery charger is indeed an USB 5-pin connector. Also glad to know that there are sane people around. I was thinking of spending some more time on these forums, and seeing that the most active posters around seem to be half-intelligent morons that spend days lurking for threads that contains anything they can flame (a common problem amongst the more 'elite' users of forums, of whom some feel they're too important to waste time reading topic-titles of subcritical questions, but feel new people should click through all 50 pages to find an answer tucked away on page 27 of the topic because the search engine in vBulletin forums sucks big time. I studied some internet- and social psychology, no master in that, though), I think I actually should may I find some spare time. There are probably lots of people around with subimportant questions and the best way to help them, is to help them.
Luckily, there are people like Skier641 around, people who maybe do not know the answer, but do voice their opinion against those of the 'elite' who feel they're exactly that, effectively rendering them useless to both community and forum. Luckily, my questions have been answered rather satisfactory. I'll edit the answers into my first post for further reference. Maybe, some day, the search engine will actually work and yield someone this thread, after which they can quickly and easily find the answers on page 1.
I'm spending too much time on this. For your information, this took 6 minutes to write. I hope that Mr Ray and whatever-his-name-was-again are having 20 minutes of great fun using their reverse psychology on this subject. It's amazing how most likely, they'll spend tens of minutes writing a witty reply to this one, instead of taking the five minutes it would've taken to answer my questions. Or maybe, after I posted that line, they'll act smart and reply in one line. Alternatively, after that line, they may not post at all.
That makes 7 minutes.
I am really struggling with this phone!
Yes it looks great.. and the 3d touch flo looks great.
But the blo*dy thing is crap at doing what it is designed for... being a phone.
When trying to get it going after it has been sleeping it can take an age... totally unresponsive...
I need a phone to work properly and not just sit there and look shiny!
I have added the enhancements and am using the Elite 2.0 rom..
Cheers
the problem with TF3D disable it
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upgrade to latest rom
Blimey last poster you really don't read things before you post your sharp responses do you?! That's at least two from you today. Seems to be quite the habit on this forum which is depressing for a new person on the block (like me).
At original poster, if what I think you mean is you want to use it to call straight away after waking it up - I share your frustration. It does seem to take a while before I can get it to call out after sleeping and I've used HTC, Elite and TLR roms and it's all the same for me.
What network are you on maybe that has something to do with it - I'm T-Mob.
another useless, whiner thread...
what's the question? now we know that u r not satisfied with the diamond. now what? what's the drama? send it back for a refund.
this is not a wall to graffiti slogans and complains.
Blimey last poster you really don't read things before you post your sharp responses do you?! That's at least two from you today. Seems to be quite the habit on this forum which is depressing for a new person on the block (like me).
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the answer fits the post like a glove....post something like the above and you'll get an answer like the above. i wonder why bother to answer? to what?
KukurikU said:
another useless, whiner thread...
what's the question? now we know that u r not satisfied with the diamond. now what? what's the drama? send it back for a refund.
this is not a wall to graffiti slogans and complains.
the answer fits the post like a glove....post something like the above and you'll get an answer like the above. i wonder why bother to answer? to what?
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What you see as useless other see as interesting and usefull.
I am thinking of buying this phone as i'm fed up with waiting for the i900 Omnia and this thread has been usefull. Now, thanks to reading this thread I am warned about slow "wake-up" of the Diamond and now more hesitant, almost to the point of not buying it.
Sadly though, you seem to judge everyone else by your own standards.
Ericsson68 was indeed trying to be helpfull by two things:
1; confirming that he too has a slow "wake-up" e.g its not he op's phone itself
2; Offering a possible explanation "What network are you on maybe that has something to do with it - I'm T-Mob. "
No one is forcing you to read these posts and no one is forcing you to write a pointless reply. It is often said by wise people (and those with friends!), if you have nothing constructive so say, don't say it.
So Erricsson and TrevorM, thanks guys! You've highlighted to me that this phone may have an issue, even with the latest roms applied, in that its slow to wake up. This is EXACTLY the reason i'm here along with many others!
KukurikU said:
another useless, whiner thread...
what's the question? now we know that u r not satisfied with the diamond. now what? what's the drama? send it back for a refund.
this is not a wall to graffiti slogans and complains.
the answer fits the post like a glove....post something like the above and you'll get an answer like the above. i wonder why bother to answer? to what?
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Dude listen the way i see it is that if you havent got anything useful to say or post then refrain from doing so. People are going to complain no matter what you or anyone else says. Like Monty says people have different ideas as to what is good for them and what isnt...fact of the matter is everytime i see you post...your always having a pop at someone who asks a question or slates the phone. Do you actually own HTC??...because sometimes your posts come across as a HTC fanboy...so what if people are saying the phone is useless/rubbish.
I'll say this about the Diamond, i love it but its hard work getting everything to run as you want it to. Personally HTC have alot to answer for, their QC testing is quite frankly crap and rubbish. They were in such a hurry to get this phone out...it seems like their engineers/designers fell asleep for a few months. The stock rom has too many niggles and problems with it, thankfully we have a place like this where we have some excellent guys who are making the Diamond a more enjoyable product due to their new roms. I swear if places like this didnt exist...HTC wouldnt be in business for much longer.
With regards to the OP, as i said before the phone is hard work...sometimes i struggle to do anything with it but i still love it. Perhaps try the TLR rom...its much faster and seems more smoother. AS for the sleeping issue??...it does take a few secs to get it back up and running but i can live with that...its not like it takes forever...well mine doesnt feel like that.
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What you see as useless other see as interesting and usefull.
I am thinking of buying this phone as i'm fed up with waiting for the i900 Omnia and this thread has been usefull. Now, thanks to reading this thread I am warned about slow "wake-up" of the Diamond and now more hesitant, almost to the point of not buying it.
Sadly though, you seem to judge everyone else by your own standards.
Ericsson68 was indeed trying to be helpfull by two things:
1; confirming that he too has a slow "wake-up" e.g its not he op's phone itself
2; Offering a possible explanation "What network are you on maybe that has something to do with it - I'm T-Mob. "
No one is forcing you to read these posts and no one is forcing you to write a pointless reply. It is often said by wise people (and those with friends!), if you have nothing constructive so say, don't say it.
So Erricsson and TrevorM, thanks guys! You've highlighted to me that this phone may have an issue, even with the latest roms applied, in that its slow to wake up. This is EXACTLY the reason i'm here along with many others!
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i gave you a hint. you didn't get it. keep on spamming.
Since when is the forum becoming a customer review of phones ?
I see already a thousand threads about the things that the Diamond does not fulfill. If you start reading them it is amazing what people whine about! "My phone does not react instantly after waking up", "My phone does not go to vibrate when I flip ip when it rings", "my phone is not the chickmagnet HTC promised it to be, I stil do not have a girlfriend" ...
So you use the title "poor performance" and then that is your strongest statement to back this up ??? nice one mate!
@Monty
Buy the phone, play with it, use it and then decide! What other people think might not always apply to you. I do not even have much issues with the battery.
If your want your phone to fly you to the bahamas then I suggest you buy yourself a plane.
This is at this moment the best phone you can buy! no doubt about it, I had the iphone for a week and then got this one. Now I only use the iphone for cutting bread on!
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This is at this moment the best phone you can buy! no doubt about it, I had the iphone for a week and then got this one. Now I only use the iphone for cutting bread on!
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OMFG iphone can cut bread!!111
Kukuirukuwuay: 1 post is hardly spamming and tbh, if thats the best most informed response you can come up ... you should maybe try the American "whatever", at least that has comedy value.
MisterSosa, it does have reviews of it and so what? Peoples(Owners reviews) and more importantly, there day-to-day comments and experiences are vital. Its these bug reports/issues/compliments/"wow look at this feature" posts that help some people decide and whats wrong with that? Like it or not HTC does not make perfect gear, if it did, there would be no need for this site. The bugs people discuss on here are read by the people who create ROM's and sometimes fixed by them. TBH, I wouldn't be suprised if there are HTC developers on this site everyday. I certainly know that Toshiba devs monitor myg900.com
I do agree with you 100% that people see phones diferently and whilst it works for one, it won't work for another. That said, to be "the best phone you can buy!" would take some doo'ing! My experience with HTC hardware (not software) is that this is unlikely to be the case purely on reliability, 10 months down the road it will probably develope hardware failures just like my previous 3 HTC phones (and that doesn't include the factory replacements). Also, "best" depends entirley on your needs. I'm still tempted to wait for the Omni as it will have a 5mp camera built in to it, something that doesn't seem to of sunk into HTC yet! Not to say I won't buy this, I like the form factor and the screen res (im used to 800x480 so this would only be a small downgrade).
However, I now consign myself to the fact that HTC phones only last at most a year and IF I buy this, it will be with that in mind.
This site in particular and similar sites do indeed help people choose there next phone - assuming they are informed enough to look for sites like this and even the OP's post is usefull. Read into it his frustration: Can you not see that his post is actually a complement? It says to me that the OP thinks its an awesome phone .... except this one really minor but pain in the arse thing, the wake-up delay.
Yes your right, i could buy it and then send it back if I don't like it (assuming the shop are going to allow me, they don't have to) but how many times am I going to do that before I get told to get stuffed by the shop(s)? Also, I may also not discover everything I need to about the phone in the two weeks, usualy accepted by shops here in the uk, that I need to and then i maybe stuffed with a phone I don't want.
This site in particular and similar sites do indeed help people choose there next phone
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wrong! this is a developer site like in:http://forum.xda-developers.com
maybe at "similar" sites you''lfind the help u need
KukurikU said:
wrong! this is a developer site like in:http://forum.xda-developers.com
maybe at "similar" sites you''lfind the help u need
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Completely and utterly wrong...this is a forum, it may very well be a developer forum but as of yet i havent heard any of the moderators in here say that we cannot give any opinions/views on what we think of the phone.
Crikey!!!
Didn't expect this kind of response.
Maybe it is useful for the DEVELOPERS to know how things are working (good or not)??
I have had any number of phones over the years - WinMo HTC, non HTC, Symbian etc. and this is the first one that I am really struggling with.
It is correct to say that it is hard work to get the equipment operating smoothly. The problem I have with that is, even after applying improved ROMS, performance enhancements, registry tweeks etc. the basic function is simply not working correctly. Why does it take so long for the phone to become ready for use?
Maybe a vanilla ROM will improve things, but then again I am left with a shiny shell which is a good phone (I may as well buy a cheap nokia!!).
I would be interested to know if other Diamond users are experiencing terrible lag, long delays and unresponsiveness..
Cheers
mobile not used for 3 hours, was lying on my desk.
press power button slide from all programs to home tab, press the phone button ... pops up immediately, dial colleague number and its dialing.
Where is the lag/delay in this story ?
ever try to close the running applications since the first time you turned it on ?
Thanks ... what ROM are you using - which enhancements have you applied?
Cheers
@MisterSosa and KukurikU
You might not be experiencing it... some are.
If you haven't got any constructive help to add why not go and join another thread? You're not being forced to read our comments but we are unfairly being forced to read yours in a thread that we want to add our experiences to in a calm and collected way.
Now kindly leave the thread so that we can DEVELOP a solution to what some of us see as a problem.
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mobile not used for 3 hours, was lying on my desk.
press power button slide from all programs to home tab, press the phone button ... pops up immediately, dial colleague number and its dialing.
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Same here
Monty Burns said:
My experience with HTC hardware (not software) is that this is unlikely to be the case purely on reliability, 10 months down the road it will probably develope hardware failures just like my previous 3 HTC phones (and that doesn't include the factory replacements).
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Sorry to hear that Monty, as you can see by my signature I have owned all manor of HTC phones and i havent had to send most of them back (admittidley the C500 had to have the rocker stick repaired on mine and my girlfriends phone but I dealt with HTC direct as orange didnt want to know and HTC were very helpful and within 5 days I had the phone back)
I don't suffer from the lag that a few people in this thread are mentioning.
Ive got a WWE Touch Diamond with Rom Version 1.37.405.1 WWE, ROM Date: 06/10/08 Radio Version 1.00.25.03 and im on tmobile UK. My TouchFLO 3D version is 1.0.1630.23.
Ive NOT applied ANY tweaks to my phone at all, no registry edits, hacks or Rom updates and my phone works without lag when trying to make a phone call.
How long does your take, in secs, from when you have pressed the power button at the top to wake the phone up to when you press the Phone button (the left phone softkey?)
Where do you experience the problem? Do you find its when you use TouchFLO 3D? Or can you goto ALL PEOPLE from the PEOPLE TAB on TouchFLO 3D and its still laggy?
Sorry to hear your having problems guys but this forum is here to help you.
Thanks .. I see you are using an uncooked rom. Have you applied any of the registry tweeks etc.?
Cheers
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Same here
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Same here.
Only time I've see a delay in opening the phone app so far (3 weeks) was when I received a phone call AND a txt msg almost simultaneously...just as I was trying to copy/paste some info from Opera into a reply to a previous txt msg.
DT
What is your favorite ROM for the T-Mobile Wing. I am looking for a ROM that is fast, and the MMS will still work.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks!
Radio Version
Also, the new Radio version would be nice
the best rom for any device is the one that you like the best.
In the herald forum, the main contenders are OpenTouch by ttran, Touch-it by itje, itspapablack by papamopps, Asergs roms by aserg, and just2clean/justme by ivan. There are other roms made by other people, but these are the main ones (kidnamedalbert and ginolin come to mind)
usually, the radio rom doesn't that make that big a difference, but the best one for me is something along the lines of 3.21.90 or something like that
People always ask "whats the best rom?"
Try a couple of them, and see what YOU like.
sounds like they just want to take the easy way out and not read all the post on each one. read and dive in if you dont like it you can always flash aging and become addicted like the rest of us
I can understand people not using the results from a search. All of the ROM forums are huge...look at TTran's newest thread OTP 6.5 167 pages or so...thats a lot of information to cipher even as an advance user!
I think there should be the release thread and a second thread with all fixes. would make questions from noobs a lot easier to answer. Hopefully some wouldn't have to ask questions!
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I can understand people not using the results from a search. All of the ROM forums are huge...look at TTran's newest thread OTP 6.5 167 pages or so...thats a lot of information to cipher even as an advance user!
I think there should be the release thread and a second thread with all fixes. would make questions from noobs a lot easier to answer. Hopefully some wouldn't have to ask questions!
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I agree with you there man. The forum is so huge and sometime the search function does not help much. You know what, I think the moderators should "sticky" all the newest ROMs so people don't have to hunt around for it.
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I agree with you there man. The forum is so huge and sometime the search function does not help much. You know what, I think the moderators should "sticky" all the newest ROMs so people don't have to hunt around for it.
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I actually think that the chefs should change the subject lines on their older roms to "OUTDATED" .. and that will be alot less trouble on THE moderator.
duprade said:
I actually think that the chefs should change the subject lines on their older roms to "OUTDATED" .. and that will be alot less trouble on THE moderator.
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Of course that works too, but that doesn't help when the chefs became inactive, like Aserg or ITJE. Unless people monitor the forum frequently for awhile, it is quite difficult for the to find the most updated roms from those chefs. Maybe this is why sometime we still see people asking how to flash TouchIT 3 or something (REALLY) outdated like this on the forum.
as a newbe that took 6 weeks to figure out how to flash my frist rom and "still" not sure I got a current realease, I think you guys are on the right track. IMHO of course.
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Of course that works too, but that doesn't help when the chefs became inactive, like Aserg or ITJE. Unless people monitor the forum frequently for awhile, it is quite difficult for the to find the most updated roms from those chefs. Maybe this is why sometime we still see people asking how to flash TouchIT 3 or something (REALLY) outdated like this on the forum.
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I just look at the posted date.
It would be nice if there were a reliable list of ROMs rather than just forum posts. I hate digging through hundreds of "me too", "that's great" posts to get to REAL information.
It's especially tough because I'm not the one using the ROM--I flash it for my wife and she has no clue what's out there or what she wants--she just tells me what she has problems with and what she doesn't like about what's on her phone now.
That being said, What is a suggested ROM for my wife? She uses EpocratesRX, text messaging, contacts management, and Google Maps.
She's using OpenTouch 5 or 6 right now and she has problems with the scroll bar disappearing in the text messaging app, whenever she reboots, she has to change the display orientation to landscape and back to get the start bar to appear, etc. She can't stand all those little quirks. She also wants to scroll through her contacts and be able to call one easily with few clicks--right now if she gets to a number she wants to be able to hit the green call button and dial, but it just brings up the dialer with her last called number, not the number of the contact she was looking at.
if remember correctly, OT 5 had some problems with messaging. I don't recall what exactly those problems were, but that might be one of them.
Try using icontact or pocketcm for her contacts. They're simple, intuitive, and nice looking.
As for a rom for your wife? Try them all. It sounds like she has some applications that not alot of other people use, so try a "clean" or "lite" rom with lots of memory for extra application. i personally suggest Open Touch 6 lite.
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It would be nice if there were a reliable list of ROMs rather than just forum posts. I hate digging through hundreds of "me too", "that's great" posts to get to REAL information.
It's especially tough because I'm not the one using the ROM--I flash it for my wife and she has no clue what's out there or what she wants--she just tells me what she has problems with and what she doesn't like about what's on her phone now.
That being said, What is a suggested ROM for my wife? She uses EpocratesRX, text messaging, contacts management, and Google Maps.
She's using OpenTouch 5 or 6 right now and she has problems with the scroll bar disappearing in the text messaging app, whenever she reboots, she has to change the display orientation to landscape and back to get the start bar to appear, etc. She can't stand all those little quirks. She also wants to scroll through her contacts and be able to call one easily with few clicks--right now if she gets to a number she wants to be able to hit the green call button and dial, but it just brings up the dialer with her last called number, not the number of the contact she was looking at.
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There's a whole review thread right under the Herald Development forum.
...and no I'm not going to ask everyone what's the best ROM or some such; I read the "Read Before Posting". I just thought I'd kind of introduce myself and allow people the opportunity to relive their first experiences vicariously through me.
But yea, I'm very excited to finally get my hands on one of these and I've got a serious amount of reading to do on how to get everything nice and nifty. Wish me luck!
I do have one serious question though, as far as physical aesthetic modification, how easy is it? I may want to repaint things and especially get rid of that awful AT&T logo. I'm assuming there are those out there that have tried similar things to what I'm thinking of.
Someone was asking this before, I think someone else was suggesting sugar cubes, but I cannot find the post... I'll keep looking.
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Found It: Search this forum for "Sugar" there are loads of ATT Logo Removal threads
Dave
Hey! Thanks for lookin' out.
As far as actually repainting the whole thing, has anyone done it? Faceplate only, though.
I hate the ugly att logo, like most people. although honestly this phone doesnt look all that slick to begin with. The kaiser is an amazing phone, even more so if you know how to use it right xD
welcome and hope you enjoy it here.
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...and no I'm not going to ask everyone what's the best ROM or some such; I read the "Read Before Posting". I just thought I'd kind of introduce myself and allow people the opportunity to relive their first experiences vicariously through me.
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You are my new best friend!
Thank you for following the rules and enjoy XDA!
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I hate the ugly att logo, like most people. although honestly this phone doesnt look all that slick to begin with. The kaiser is an amazing phone, even more so if you know how to use it right xD
welcome and hope you enjoy it here.
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I have the Stellar and I thought it was really nice looking when it came out. But since the Diamond / Raph, well ... what can I do
Dave
Hey everyone! I finally got my Kaiser yesterday and I spent all night and morning toying with it.
I'm now using HDIII and I've customized it completely to my tastes with all the different tweaks and such out there. Thanks for the welcomes!
It's so funny now, though, because after all this customization, I keep feeling like there's more I could do to it and I want to do it all, haha.
If I had known the Kaiser was capable of such things, I would've gotten one long ago.
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I was wondering if anyone would be willing to just tell me how to fix one thing. I probably could've searched it, which I did, but I guess I either did something wrong or that wasn't it. I wanted to change the screen where it displays the 'RGD' lines with the numbers. I thought that would be the 'welcomhead.96.png' but I guess that's not it. So, how could I change this? Thanks.
If you are talking about the little numbers in lower right corner when it boots, that's the software and radio version info it can only be changed with a different ROM.
That's the Splash screen, there is a post by pof and by -888- somewhere that will help you.
Ta
Dave
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If you are talking about the little numbers in lower right corner when it boots, that's the software and radio version info it can only be changed with a different ROM.
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Not true. He wants to change the splash screen. Not change the numbers themselves. Its a simple flash and you are all set
on my physical keyboard on my tilt some of the keys are not very responsive...they dont have good tactile feedback when you push on them. it really came to my attention when i worked on one of my co-workers tilt and his had a lot better feedback...dont know if its fixable or not?? ideas?
Sometimes it amazes me on what people will post now days.
Either send it in for service or get a new keyboard and replace it.
that's funny it amazes me that there are still people out there (such as yourself) who take the time to post a worthless reply...and you are shocked at my post...
think you should step back and think before you post.
and just so you know i did have a replacment sent to me but it felt the same as mine so i sent it back. FYI we have about 6 tilts in my office i've checked 2 of them and there is a definite difference in the feel.
Are you expecting a cab fix for worn out keys? Seriously?
You're complaining about the feel of your keyboard, so what do you expect from anyone here? It's not a software problem, and your not happy with a hardware fix, what else is there?
ChumleyEX said:
Are you expecting a cab fix for worn out keys? Seriously?
You're complaining about the feel of your keyboard, so what do you expect from anyone here? It's not a software problem, and your not happy with a hardware fix, what else is there?
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Not to beat a dead horse or prolong this thread, but I agree and I will try to be nice,. If you don't like your phone, the feel , the speed , the camera, the video playback and the hundreds of whines about the tilt, then get a new phone. The waste of time time here is not the response, it is the fact that much of this forum has turned into the weiner whiner line.
I love my Tilt, it is the best phone I have ever had and I have had a lot. If you don't like HTC or your phone, get a new one, nice and simple.
starting to wish i never posted this...
I love my tilt. no, i'm not expecting a software fix. (even though at&t had me reboot my phone in attempt to fix it) yes i would be happy with a hardware fix...its just the replacement phone i got was the same.
if you have access to more than one device try a couple of them out see if you can notice the difference in keyboards (my co-workers can, and they can tell that mine has some issue)
what i was hoping for was someone who is aware of what i'm talking about and could say yea...take your phone a part and do this to fix it...instead im getting this (see above)
who ever is in charge feel free to kill this thread because it's going no where fast!!!!
Per request thread closed. You can replace the keyboard if you want, though personally i'd pay someone to do that for you rather than trying it yourself if it's that big an issue. You could also try a warranty replacement if you're eligible.
Side Note: Senior members and should know better than to go around harrassing noobs with silly questions. It is the job of those who know more to educate those who know less. If you choose to not be helpful then it is much better to say nothing. No need to create drama where there wasn't any. Just a reminder to all.