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Tytn III?

Hi all,
first of all, many thanks to all of you that contribute to this board. Amazing stuff, thank you.
I'm in the market for a new handset and have been attracted to the Tytn II, Vario III or whatever you want to call it, for a few weeks now. I currently own a Windows Mobile 6 smartphone (HTC S620) and am looking to get back to owning a pocket PC phone.
My question is this...
Should I splash out and get a Vario III (T-Mobile) now or wait for the next device in the Tytn / Vario series?
I realise that to wait for the 'next best thing' I'll be waiting forever, but does anybody know when the new Tytn III will be available? If not for another year or so, then I will purchase the Tytn II now, but if the next device in the series will be coming in the next few months (first half of next year), then perhaps I should wait.
Any advice you can give me will be very much appreciated.
Thanks to all,
Munkee

Since the Vario 3 only came out in september/october time, I'm guessing that any replacement would be at least a year away.
I just couldn't imagine a tytn 3/Vario 4 being released in the next few months.

Sparrowhawk said:
Since the Vario 3 only came out in september/october time, I'm guessing that any replacement would be at least a year away.
I just couldn't imagine a tytn 3/Vario 4 being released in the next few months.
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They've been releasing a new version every year around the same time (to get the Christmas/etc sales). My guess, TyTn 3 / Vario 4 will be around Sept/Oct '08.

KyleK29 said:
They've been releasing a new version every year around the same time (to get the Christmas/etc sales). My guess, TyTn 3 / Vario 4 will be around Sept/Oct '08.
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Only if you're mad will you contemplate a HTC product
Read some of the threads here about video performance
When you compare the video/camera to other phones, you'll find it poor. It's even poor compared to the model it's replacing
For video/camera, the LG Viewty kicks the Tytn II's pants.
Look at what you really want in a phone, then if it's a WM phone, read these forums.

pjwilkin said:
Only if you're mad will you contemplate a HTC product
Read some of the threads here about video performance
When you compare the video/camera to other phones, you'll find it poor. It's even poor compared to the model it's replacing
For video/camera, the LG Viewty kicks the Tytn II's pants.
Look at what you really want in a phone, then if it's a WM phone, read these forums.
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Aside from the poor drivers, the tytn 2 is still a great phone. plus, there are tons of people here working on fixing the disabled drivers. In the next month or two, I see a fix for it and everyone will be praising XDA and their tytn 2's

Get it now....upgrade later! Like everyone already posted here, TyTN II and the variants just came out, so, any newer version is quite a wait!

ericc191 said:
Aside from the poor drivers, the tytn 2 is still a great phone. plus, there are tons of people here working on fixing the disabled drivers. In the next month or two, I see a fix for it and everyone will be praising XDA and their tytn 2's
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Yes, it is a great phone, "specification wise", just let down by shoddy/non-existant drivers, and lack of support by HTC
It is hoped we can get a driver work around, however how usable that is might be supject to Intellectual Property issues.
HTC can fix something (witness the Hotfix for Bluetooth), I just hope they are reading this forum and witnessing the bad-feeling the issue of decent Video and Camera drivers is causing

Ahh hell I'll jump in, if you wait, it will be at least 9 months. When I got my 8525 about this time last year, there was a picture of the Kaiser floating on the web as the next generation. It took 9 months to come out and even with all the whining and wenging here, I can easily say that the Kaiser, which I bought the minute I could get one, is really a solid performer.
I use Slingbox streaming video with great performance
TCPMP (and soon Core 1.2) for Divx Movie Videos with great performance. I've always encoded portable video at 320x240 and it plays and looks great.
Integrated GPS and a good nav package (I like iGuidance v4) with spoken TTS street names is simply a killer app for a phone.
Streaming radio stations, youtube, Google maps, Live Search, all of it works great.
Tweaked drivers will be good to see, but for now I find everything working just well enough to allow me to use all features without any frustration.
With the great support on this forum this good product becomes a great product that gets better every week, till TyTN III comes along and we start again...

RemE said:
With the great support on this forum this good product becomes a great product that gets better every week, till TyTN III comes along and we start again...
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I have to agree on that.
On the missing video drivers: I don’t use camera or watch video with the Kaiser, so that doesnt bother me on the daily use.
Even though releasing a device without proper drivers is unforgivable!!!
Imagine BMW putting a new car on sale with buyers realising the 3rd gear is missing and BMW would just go; oh yes, we will try to put it in, in your 30 000 km tune-up.

Sane said:
Imagine BMW putting a new car on sale with buyers realising the 3rd gear is missing and BMW would just go; oh yes, we will try to put it in, in your 30 000 km tune-up.
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Heh, the online video game industry has been developing products that way for years. Come to think of it, it's also how Harley-Davidson sells 90% of the chrome on their bikes.

lol wif the BMW thing. its actually funny... =D

TyTN III ?
Model Names : HTC Diamond (NM8DIAM100) ???

pjwilkin said:
Only if you're mad will you contemplate a HTC product
Read some of the threads here about video performance
When you compare the video/camera to other phones, you'll find it poor. It's even poor compared to the model it's replacing
For video/camera, the LG Viewty kicks the Tytn II's pants.
Look at what you really want in a phone, then if it's a WM phone, read these forums.
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Sorry I read this and from what I an see it basically came from someone who haes windows devices and the only thiing they can do is slag them off.
I run a tytnII and it is brilliant, it has so much built into it that nothing can come close for useability, upgradeability, flexibility etc.
Sure go out and buy an N95 ar a viewty but then be stuck with bugs in noka software, poor slide quality on the n95 and then be limited with what little applications that aren't available to run with the symbain OS.
As for the viewty well you are obviously not in the right market for commenting on a smartphone/windows mobile handset.
Tom

I've been using PDA's since the days of the Psion Organiser (around 1988) and I have to say that my Tytn II is without doubt the best device I've ever owned.
I've had it since October and I still can't fault it for what I use it for.
I know about the video driver issue, but I can't say it really bothers me - yes I'd like it fixed, but it doesn't stop me from enjoying my PDA.
For background - I normally enjoy a device for about 2 months and then get the urge to change to a different one. This hasn't happened yet with the Tytn II. I can't imagine being without it. It may not be perfect, but it's pretty damned close!

Something I would add is that the TyTN II is a device that can do a lot but surely if you wanted to watch a video you would use a TV??
The device is a PDA therefore to me that means the following:
Email
Internet
Calendar
Contacts
Tasks
For keeping track of things you want to track most and being able to be mobile with your email and internet when and if you need it.
Plus having a phone as well.

a fellow Psion user
stooby said:
I've been using PDA's since the days of the Psion Organiser (around 1988) and I have to say that my Tytn II is without doubt the best device I've ever owned. . .
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Woohoo! Yay for the good old Psions - I had a Psion 3C and then a Revo - wonderful pocket organizers - especially liked the keyboard on the Revo - all in all the best little PDA at the time IMHO.
The logical evolution of that is the Nokia Communicator series - I seriously considered getting one of them before I got my Wizard - but decided that the customizable nature of the Windows Mobile platform was the way to go, for me.

Tom Williams said:
Sorry I read this and from what I an see it basically came from someone who haes windows devices and the only thiing they can do is slag them off.
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I've had a WM5/6 for over 3 years, and am disppointed the Tytn II is so poor at video & camer (even the Wizard, which is 3+ years old has better performance)
I run a tytnII and it is brilliant, it has so much built into it that nothing can come close for useability, upgradeability, flexibility etc.
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Performance at what ? if you go compare start up times of apps like contacts, video, sound etc, on other phones (eg Viewty, N95) they are often faster than the Tytn
As I stated in my post, you need to examine what you want in a phone
The Tytn II has lots of good things, unfortunately HTC's shotcuts and cost cutting have meant it's sub-optimal.

pjwilkin said:
I've had a WM5/6 for over 3 years, and am disppointed the Tytn II is so poor at video & camer (even the Wizard, which is 3+ years old has better performance)
Performance at what ? if you go compare start up times of apps like contacts, video, sound etc, on other phones (eg Viewty, N95) they are often faster than the Tytn
As I stated in my post, you need to examine what you want in a phone
The Tytn II has lots of good things, unfortunately HTC's shotcuts and cost cutting have meant it's sub-optimal.
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I have a TyTn One and loved the features but under WM5 almost any external programs I installed made it less stable. After Roming to WM6 the experience is much better - I use the T-mobile offical rom with a mixture of HTC plugins and external apps which makes it almost perfect - and it crashes perhaps once a month compared to several times a week.
I am looking to upgrade too but am not sure what to. Kaiser has GPS which I will like as a toy, and more RAM (don't care about ROM as have gigs of external) - RAM I care about as after loading the TYTN with apps I run at about 85% memory. I can see the Kaiser will solve these but otherwise the experience will be the same as TYTN with WM6. Is there anything else I should be considering?
What else on the market compares to these? If you are willing to criticise the TYTN2 then say what is better and why? My upgrade comes up in month and unless I see something radical I am in for more of the same (albeit slightly better).

the kaiser is a powerful device, and got alot under its skin, unforunatly its creators didnt give it the proper software/drivers etc
but its still a remarkable device, with amazing specs, we just need to fix what htc couldnt/wouldnt do...just as we do with windows, we mod it, fix it, makes it smoother and better
I had my herald, p4350, for aprox a year, it has been a great device, and still is.
When I got it, it had stock rom, to me it was a great device, and then I started to work on it...slowly I have learned to understand it. Now with my latest rom on my herald, with netcf 3.5 and my tweaks and all, my herald feels faster and responds way better then my tytn2. That really puzzels me, because my tytn2 has surperior hardware specs. But Im pretty sure that with the help of the amazing crew here on xda, the kasier will become the flagship it is ment to be.
cheers

pjwilkin said:
Yes, it is a great phone, "specification wise", just let down by shoddy/non-existant drivers, and lack of support by HTC
It is hoped we can get a driver work around, however how usable that is might be supject to Intellectual Property issues.
HTC can fix something (witness the Hotfix for Bluetooth), I just hope they are reading this forum and witnessing the bad-feeling the issue of decent Video and Camera drivers is causing
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Actually, YOU'RE the mad one if you think the Tilt is a terrible phone for everyone on the planet. I don't watch videos on my phone, i don't ride in busses or do other things where i'm sitting for a long time, and if i have a few minutes i browse the web with IE or opera (some sites are better in one or the other.. IE gets a bad wrap, but almost every blog i read has a mobile version that works great in IE, but not so well in opera).
And everyone *****es about the video drivers, but it's not that bad... my friend had a full episode of Top Gear that was 640 x 352 that he couldn't play on his 8525, but it played great on my phone. I know people have issues, but it's not terrible, and calling someone mad without even knowing what they would want is just ignorant.
I love my Tilt and i'd recommend it to anyone who knows what getting into windows mobile means (because WinMo is the big problem). Besides, it's already been confirmed that Google has an Android kernel for our processors, so once it all comes out, we can put android on the Tilt, making it an awesome phone!
-Taylor

From kaiser to ???

hi peeps, i currently have a kaiser loving it although know i knows theres better
my question to you is, my upgarde is in two days what do i go for
the nokia n95 8gb
htc touch diamond
iphone (ha ha)
or the samsung omnia
i think ive already decided but i want to see your views on this, although apparently the omnia has no d3d acceleration, but does that mean the camera will be odd as with the kaiser, and i remember some one saying on a poll i did that if i got n95 id not be here, which is true i like this place, some you help a lot and i could get ,y head around a non winmo fone.
nb if the mods see fit to move this then go ahead i only posted as im currently based on this device therefore appreciate the opinions of the kaiser users, rather than the enitre forums

jayjay8585 said:
hi peeps, i currently have a kaiser loving it although know i knows theres better
my question to you is, my upgarde is in two days what do i go for
the nokia n95 8gb
htc touch diamond
iphone (ha ha)
or the samsung omnia
i think ive already decided but i want to see your views on this, although apparently the omnia has no d3d acceleration, but does that mean the camera will be odd as with the kaiser, and i remember some one saying on a poll i did that if i got n95 id not be here, which is true i like this place, some you help a lot and i could get ,y head around a non winmo fone.
nb if the mods see fit to move this then go ahead i only posted as im currently based on this device therefore appreciate the opinions of the kaiser users, rather than the enitre forums
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The HTC Touch Pro

i agree, touch pro, diamond, or xperia

Touch Pro (its an improved diamond so i will shortlist, Touch pro has video out man, present or movie directly to screens and projectors)
xperia have you heard about the RUMOR WM6.5 its probably just a rumor but Sony Ericsson will surely introduce something powerful but non-official support might be limited! htc is taking the lead..
iPhone do you mean you wanna cross to the other side of technology
Omnia looks pretty but Odd resolution and bad graphics run a search
Dude after this thread you made me think of a new toy too

not bothered about the odd resolution. but define bad graphics?

and touch pro aint on my network yet, and as above im upgrading in two days so no expaeria

and diamond only has 4gb of inbuilt memory. and no expansion slot. im not think this be wise move
and the iphone was a joke

jayjay8585 said:
and touch pro aint on my network yet, and as above im upgrading in two days so no expaeria
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How long do you have time to choose a new phone? In the Netherlands you can choose (with most providers) a new phone 2 months in advance of your new contract. I waited 6 weeks until The Kaiser was available.

well i an decide from anytime i want but i put the order in in two days.
i tell you whatll decide it for me. if some one can answer
how well does the camera perform, does it fudder when panning like the kiser how fast is the capture
and
how goos are videos. the only way i can watch a decent video on the kaiser is switching to raw framebuffering on tcpmp, everything else is knackered

so does it??
i want to know how well it takes photos coz i kno the kaiser is a bit slow on the uptake
and how well it can display videos
does it have a driver

thats the omnia ordered.
less than 24 hours away

Keep us posted bro...I'm also contemplating on getting the omnia..or if the touch pro isn't it then probably I will wait for the official T3....TyTN 3.....

due to unforseen shipping errors, the company thats supposed to deliver my omnia havent. shouldve been here

cool its here it stunning. uncomparabvle to the kaiser, they are just toio different markets.
and im finally able to watch a massive divx movie without the skipping a checking wether im switched to raw framebuffer

Should I buy it ?

Hi everyone.
I`m new here, and I am very sorry that I don`t read trough the whole forum, I know that answers to my questions are already posted, but here it goes :
I have the possibility to buy the Diamond tomorrow morning, but I need to give the seller an answer tonight.
I never had a WM device before, the most were Symbian phones from Nokia, and I am a little unsecure.
My needs are wi-fi, large screen, nice design, music&video playback, and fluid e-mail. As I know, the Diamond meets these requirements.
Considering all it has been said and done about this device, would you still buy it ?
Thanks, and sorry again for not reading the forum, but I lack the time until I need to give the answer.

I can only give you this: if you want to buy a touchscreen phone, buy one where you won't need a stylus.. I'm starting to get annoyed with this. But maybe cuz I have played around with the Iphone, which works alot better.
Some people still like the stylus, but I don't anymore..
As for WM goes.. I'm tired of the choppy animations.
GPS software and multimedia playback are nice though.. which are the greatest advantages..

It is absolutely necessary to use the stylus ? Isn`t the finger enough ?

I'd say, that u should go for it, if you don't mind the weak battery.
On the other hand there will be the HTC Touch HD coming shortly, so you might want to wait for that one. (To get that one or to get the Diamond cheaper).
Allthough I really don't like the weak battery and it's also quite some work to adapt the diamond to your needs, I still wouldn't like to exchange it against anything else available so far.

You can use your finger with the TouchFlo interface, but the rest not so much. Also typing is not that great. If you use the keyboard, u will have to use stylus. If you use the more finger friendly keyboard, you won't see half of the screen. I just gets irritating after a while. But beside that it is a nice phone (ok, they could do ALOT better with the battery). Good camera, good GPS, good sound when calling. It's complete..
Edit: I just remembered, like when ur going through ur contacts, it is very hard to flip or scroll. I think that's just WM, because Resco File Explorer works nice..

Thank you for your answers.
So for usual tasks ( looking for contacts, making calls, ) the finger is enough, right ? Texting and other stuff, with stylus.
Also, are there apps for reading e-books ? Like mobipocket on symbian ?
Does the phone freeze sometimes ? Or acts erratically ?
Considering that I actually like to "play" with and tweak devices, maybe I will give it a try.
If anyone wants to give other advices, please feel free.

Lots of tweaks and playing around with it.. Especially thanks to these forums! It is possible to use ur finger for usual tasks, so go for it.. texting is possible with finger, but because of the screensize and the big size of the keyboard, it is much better to use a smaller keyboard and use stylus..

monty99 said:
Hi everyone.
I`m new here, and I am very sorry that I don`t read trough the whole forum, I know that answers to my questions are already posted, but here it goes :
I have the possibility to buy the Diamond tomorrow morning, but I need to give the seller an answer tonight.
I never had a WM device before, the most were Symbian phones from Nokia, and I am a little unsecure.
My needs are wi-fi, large screen, nice design, music&video playback, and fluid e-mail. As I know, the Diamond meets these requirements.
Considering all it has been said and done about this device, would you still buy it ?
Thanks, and sorry again for not reading the forum, but I lack the time until I need to give the answer.
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come and think of it
diamond
1-weak battery life
2-using GPS the battrey only last 2 to 2:30 hour and the device goes hot
3-using wifi also the device goes hot
so you can say the weak point on diamond is the battery and need radio upgrade
im saying you a nokia fan im shore you now how to use Symbian phones SO
how about baying n96 or N95 8GB it has everything you want
N96
1-big screen
2-wifi
3-16 GB internal memory and micro SD slot
4-a lot of game and apps
5-and of cours your favorites OS
so the best choice for you is n96
hope i help you out
im a Windows moblie os fan
and sorry for my english

As I live in the UK the concept of actually buying a mobile phone is quite alien to me as you can get pretty much any phone for free with any monthy contract above £20 per month!! I certainly wouldn't pay the prices that the TD is sold for £400+.
Having said that, smartphones are far more flexible and usable than the 'dumb' phones from the likes of se, Nokia, Motorla etc. From my experience Symbian and WM are both showing their age and are a little unstable but WM easily beats Symbian and with the TD Touchflo 3D interface it looks good too.
The only real problems with the TD are the camera (good resolution but very poor in low light conditions) and the battery life (great for low usage but will drain really quick if used for music, web etc.
The phone is far smaller than a N95/N96 and the majority of other smartphones so when you consider this the battery life is actually not bad.
If you do get the TD make sure you upgrade the ROM. Lots of XDA members will recommend using a cooked (custom) ROM, but for a beginner using the official 1.93 version will result in a fantastic user experience and you can always use a cooked ROM when you become more experienced.
Forgot to mention that ROM 1.93 also resolves the issue of excessive heat coming from the battery compartment.

I`m not really a Nokia or Symbian fan, but those are the ones I had in the last couple of years As long as it works ok, I don`t really care if it`s WM, Symbian, or something else.
The N95 or the N96 are not in my taste, as far as design goes.
Yes levellerbob, in a lot of countries, there is a very nice policy regarding cost of cell phones on contract from operators, but as I`m not that lucky, I need to know a lot of things before I pay Still, thanks for all the advices.
If I decide on the Diamond, I`ll be on this forum all day everyday

monty99 said:
I`m not really a Nokia or Symbian fan, but those are the ones I had in the last couple of years As long as it works ok, I don`t really care if it`s WM, Symbian, or something else.
The N95 or the N96 are not in my taste, as far as design goes.
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if that so go for the diamond
ah and dont forget to see the diamond pro maybe you will like it

Is our diamond a good phone???

I have my diamond for almost a year now at first I bought a European diamond that does not work on the 3g network in my country (Colombia) then y had the chance to change it for the us version that support this network and with the help of all of you in xda developers I think that my phone is like a dream.
But in a Spanish forum that I also read (http://www.laneros.com/showthread.php?p=2690580#post2690580) the people say that the diamond is a piece of crap compared to the Samsung omnia or even the htc cruise.
It refer to the gps lag the all we know and is related to the qualcomm cpu. And the ram that is only 192mb that shares 64 mb with the 3d driver so left less that the ram that could have an older phone, and with the TF3D, the phone is too slow…
What do you think is the omnia much better phone that our diamond.
I read that because the screen with 4 times more resolution the diamond makes 4 x more operations or some thing la that. What do you think? I would like to answer this other forum but I have no technical information to contradict his theory.

I think all that matters is if you like it.

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I think all that matters is if you like it.
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i like it

Dont no if diamond is the best phone, but i just love it. Love the small size and I have everything I want in a phone in my shirt pocket, so from that point of view i love it (dont want huge brick in my pocket).
Must ask how you can have used your diamond for a year? didnt diamond came out in June/2008?
My Diamond isnt so slow with the new 2.03 rom. Htc has atleast tried to improve it, that you cant say with Cruise= very nice phone too but when it came out it had a old wm6 rom and from my point of view the wm6.1 update came too late..But im very interested in omnia too but I think i wait for the next version with the better screen, should be released later this year or I wait for the phone that should replace diamond, that can be a good one.
Hope htc learn a lession with Diamond and dont release a phone too soon, which was the case with Diamond. For now im satisfide with diamond and its a good phone

it is a diamond

Test with 2.03
Hi,
I update to 2.03 my mobile from tre.se with some "hacks" because swedish phone.
I think 2.03 is better and now my phone is quicker.
Thx omaga for the tip
B.R
Henrik
omaga said:
Dont no if diamond is the best phone, but i just love it. Love the small size and I have everything I want in a phone in my shirt pocket, so from that point of view i love it (dont want huge brick in my pocket).
Must ask how you can have used your diamond for a year? didnt diamond came out in June/2008?
My Diamond isnt so slow with the new 2.03 rom. Htc has atleast tried to improve it, that you cant say with Cruise= very nice phone too but when it came out it had a old wm6 rom and from my point of view the wm6.1 update came too late..But im very interested in omnia too but I think i wait for the next version with the better screen, should be released later this year or I wait for the phone that should replace diamond, that can be a good one.
Hope htc learn a lession with Diamond and dont release a phone too soon, which was the case with Diamond. For now im satisfide with diamond and its a good phone
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one of my mates has an omnia and he always asking to play with my diamond, so i cant be that much better lol

2.03
Hi,
My Diamond is quicker now with 2.03.
If you think that your diamond is to slow try 2.03

omnia : bigger storage , yes . louder sound , yes .better camera and flash , yes . much better battery life , yes .
but when i decided to choose between omnia and diamond , i hold them both in my hands and bought diamond although they both cost the same in that time (now diamond costs more in my country.libya)
so why i chose diamond , i don't know but loved it more

The Diamond is slow, has rubbish camera, no memory card slot, laggy GPS, sloppy music playback and terrible battery life. It's the best freckin' phone I've owned I just love it, with all the great work that everyone does on XDA developers, it's like the phone is constantly evolving. The Diamond I'm using today is nothing like the Diamond that was delivered to me, sure sometimes it makes me mad as hell but then it does make me smile. With every other phone I've owned I was always waiting for the next new model or version, with my Diamond I just wait to see what else it can do

xavierdemon said:
The Diamond is slow, has rubbish camera, no memory card slot, laggy GPS, sloppy music playback and terrible battery life. It's the best freckin' phone I've owned I just love it, with all the great work that everyone does on XDA developers, it's like the phone is constantly evolving. The Diamond I'm using today is nothing like the Diamond that was delivered to me, sure sometimes it makes me mad as hell but then it does make me smile. With every other phone I've owned I was always waiting for the next new model or version, with my Diamond I just wait to see what else it can do
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I love how you turned it around regarding your comment here xavierdemon....Yes it does have it's faults but you couldn't have said it better, XDA developers create the essence of why we all truly believe that, "Diamonds are Forever"
At first, my battery seemed crap and the Rom to be luggish but after being exposed to this great community, the Diamond truly shines !!
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Hey it's all about being positive as well. No phone is perfect

xavierdemons post nails it.
isn't it the community around here, that is mostly responsible for the joy with our diamonds? i sure wouldn't have cooked rom of my like (how nice, you can choose of many!), registry-tweaks found by xda-devs, all those tipps and tricks that sum up to MY diamond which is like no other (iphones appear to me like clones - roger roger)...
it's not just the capabilities of pure hardware that make some of those devices kinda special... there were other mp3 players before the ipod, and hardware-wise htc has much more to offer than the iphone. (kinda lame i have to use apple stuff to phrase what i mean ^^)

I'm considering switching to HTC Touch Pro2...what is your input?

Guys, I need your input... please convince me whatever you want to convince me.

don't do it bro.

I think it's VERY VERY VERY STUPID! it's the same phone, and I don't see the TP2 have any advantage over the X1, besides bigger screen... better to wait for the X2 (pray to god the X2 have better CPU)
stay with the X1...

i heard the tp2 video framerate is much lower than the x1 as well, the best thing to do is ask members in the rhodium forum questions and compare them to your experiences with the x1

ait for the x2 man. It will have better cpu (i hope), Better battery life. X1 was just a test and now the test is complete they will give us X2 "god is shining his light upon the X2" hallaluja

Bangsat86 said:
ait for the x2 man. It will have better cpu (i hope), Better battery life. X1 was just a test and now the test is complete they will give us X2 "god is shining his light upon the X2" hallaluja
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I can't get the X2 because it will be very expensive for me. Touch Pro 2 is surprisingly cheap compared to the X1a [i don't use 3G anyway, i shud have paid for the x1i version]
I want the TP2 because the music and conversation speaker + mix is almost hi-fi.
The screen is big.
And the keyboard is delicious.
The main reasons I don't want to switch is because of the Sony Ericsson Media Panel and the 3.5 mm jack.
I am also planning on selling my X1 and saving it for a future phone.

Well, if there were ppl who called the X1 a brick, I really wonder what they'd say to your Touch Pro 2.

Keep your X1 man. Do you have an X1a? R4A firmware is coming out and I heard it's gonna be a kick ass ROM.

jhendra said:
Keep your X1 man. Do you have an X1a? R4A firmware is coming out and I heard it's gonna be a kick ass ROM.
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Where did you get that info?

i would get it, or at least im considering it. i would like a bigger screeen. i also read somewhere that they maybe making one for att but that wont be till the end of the year.

You might as well hold out for a snapdragon phone.

That would be a lateral move. There's really no point. And besides, who wants a bigger phone with the same functionality these days?
You would be much better off holding off until at least one of these options
a. Tegra/Snapdragon
b. phones released with winmo 6.5 stock
c. phones released with winmo 7

tp2 is not really an upgrade
get the omnia pro if you really must change your phone

THE GRIZZ said:
tp2 is not really an upgrade
get the omnia pro if you really must change your phone
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I totally agree with this you. Omnia Pro is better than X1 in many ways, and TP2 has bigger display, only that.

Go for it! And tell us your opinion after switching X1 to TP2.
(Guessing you'll be missing for X1!)

poetryrocksalot said:
Guys, I need your input... please convince me whatever you want to convince me.
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Hardware is almost the same
TP2 pros:
bigger screen.
Xperia pros:
3.5mm headphone jack.
More RAM available.
Has camera flash.
D-pad (almost all games require one, or are played better with one. It is useful and a necessity).
Xperia looks better, feels better in the hand and is more useful. Your choice....

I am amused. How HTC can not include flash in a 3mp phone like touch pro 2. The phone is a sure shot but how can they even think of missing on the flash.

dont do it..just use tf3d and some of my mods..

go for it...x1 is one very good smartphone, but misses badly on essentialz:
bigger touch screen and windows mobile (and panels) being adjusted for touch input.
got my x1 just a week ago...played around, got used to it, installed all the programs i wanted...and came to conclusion that the touch screen is just toooo small and on the brink to be anoying...still functional, but...very BIG but...
whatever you get must have solid big touch screen...important for web-browsing,gps-ing, everything...size of new iPhone is just right...
...maybe x2 or x3 will sort out this few (big) mistakes of this great phone.

votec said:
go for it...x1 is one very good smartphone, but misses badly on essentialz:
bigger touch screen and windows mobile (and panels) being adjusted for touch input.
got my x1 just a week ago...played around, got used to it, installed all the programs i wanted...and came to conclusion that the touch screen is just toooo small and on the brink to be anoying...still functional, but...very BIG but...
whatever you get must have solid big touch screen...important for web-browsing,gps-ing, everything...size of new iPhone is just right...
...maybe x2 or x3 will sort out this few (big) mistakes of this great phone.
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Apple whoring much?
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone