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Kaiser Performance vs. TyTN/Hermes

What are people's observations re: performance of Kaiser? I've been using Hermes (8525) since last January, have gone through a few ROMs (now using vp3G's latest WM6 ROM), and I continue being annoyed by sluggish performance. With more ROM, a better CPU, and a different graphic chipset, I wonder how much better the Kaiser is at these two...
opening the keyboard... on the 8525 it takes at least a second for the device to handle that, and another second or two for the keyboard to become responsive. Very annoying, especially when I need to type in a GoodLink password or type up a quick response to an email.
waking up... depending on the apps running, it can take a half second to a second after I push the power button and before the home screen fully redraws (this is specific to waking up to the home screen)

Can someone please run some benchmarks on both phones!! would really like to see the performance difference, before i upgrade to TYTN II...

What benchmarks would you like to see run?
Subjectively, the II is a little nippier than the I, but not revelatory. The Ameo is still much faster at web page rendering, eg. But that could be as a result of a better radio as well as more horsepower under the hood.
The GPS seems pretty good. Finds satellites faster than the Ameo.

Is the GPS as good as the Sirf-III implementations??

meanvulcan said:
What are people's observations re: performance of Kaiser? I've been using Hermes (8525) since last January, have gone through a few ROMs (now using vp3G's latest WM6 ROM), and I continue being annoyed by sluggish performance. With more ROM, a better CPU, and a different graphic chipset, I wonder how much better the Kaiser is at these two...
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Kaiser's performance compared to Hermes with WM6 (LVSW and Dopod's lately) is MUCH better. Waking up device - split second, literally. Switching to landscape - well, still takes a little bit of time, but looks snappier. Rebooting also clearly faster. So far I am really happy with it's performance, but don't forget, it has just been released. True judgements will come after some time of daily usage...

so Kaiser turns on fast - that's good. Does the clock update instantly, or do you have to wait a few seconds for it to update like the HTC Wizard?

thedogger said:
so Kaiser turns on fast - that's good. Does the clock update instantly, or do you have to wait a few seconds for it to update like the HTC Wizard?
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The wizard is a couple steps down the line as far as performance and hardware.
on the 8525 the clock is instant.

thedogger said:
so Kaiser turns on fast - that's good. Does the clock update instantly, or do you have to wait a few seconds for it to update like the HTC Wizard?
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Didn't actually looked at it specifically, but I've just switched phone on, and clock was showing correct time without delay.

Can you try running a benchmark using SKTools? I'm really very curious...

DaVince said:
Can you try running a benchmark using SKTools? I'm really very curious...
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Where can I get it? I never used benchmarks on my phone.

eva_d said:
Where can I get it? I never used benchmarks on my phone.
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Please get the SPB BENCHMARK from somewhere and letus know
Nadavi

Nadavi said:
Please get the SPB BENCHMARK from somewhere and letus know
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I've got it now, but it says it should be done on freshly hard-reset device, takes ~35 minutes to complete benchmark, and it may destroy some user data. How sweet. Are you sure it's safe? To be honest, I don't like the idea of putting my data and possible hard-reset into risk, so maybe some volunteer with freshly unboxed Kaiser could get up for it?

eva_d said:
I've got it now, but it says it should be done on freshly hard-reset device, takes ~35 minutes to complete benchmark, and it may destroy some user data. How sweet. Are you sure it's safe? To be honest, I don't like the idea of putting my data and possible hard-reset into risk, so maybe some volunteer with freshly unboxed Kaiser could get up for it?
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yeah it's safe.
Do a BACKUP (SPRITE BACKUP of SPB BACKUP)
HR the device
install SPB Benchmark.
RUN it.
Publish the results.
HR the device again.
Restore you backup.
Nadavi

Nadavi said:
yeah it's safe.
Do a BACKUP (SPRITE BACKUP of SPB BACKUP)
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To be honest, I really hate the idea of doing HR just to get benchmark, and you are getting Kaiser tomorrow, as I found out on modaco, so maybe you could benchmark it, how about it?

eva_d said:
To be honest, I really hate the idea of doing HR just to get benchmark, and you are getting Kaiser tomorrow, as I found out on modaco, so maybe you could benchmark it, how about it?
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Yeah sure, not a problem, but i'll charge my device 12Hrs before usage
NAdavi

You could just leaved it plugged in to the USB charger.
Of course, the benchmark is useless without also benchmarking other systems such as the Tytn, etc...

Can any body test the performance on TCPMP? If you can, can you brenchmark with the Matrix Reload 640 x 480 Trailer ?

Anxiously awaiting results

meanvulcan said:
Anxiously awaiting results
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Hey,
I'm in a quite busy time here, barely had time to install stuff on my device.
i will Benchmark it in few days....
Nadavi..

You can try SKTools without having to worry about backing up files. Btw, it's just a trial version... just uninstall it once you're done. Thanks.

Got my kaiser today

Just recieved my kaiser today. Its on charge now should be ready for me to go to work. So I am just welcoming my self to the kaiser community
SOME OF MY OWN CUSTOMISATIONS SO FAR.
I hope POF finds away around the CID and hopefully will have olipro input on getting an hardspl ready for kaiser with some donations going to him and POF .
This should give us a first headway of getting some home cooking roms for the kaiser.
Anyways I'm a happy man now. It took me selling my hermes for £200 and upgrading to a nokia n95 and sold it for £280 to get my kaiser I hope its worth it as I really miss my Htc Tytn

UPDATE
My KAISER came with
CE OS 5.2.1620 (BUILD 18125.0.4.2)
ROM VERSION 1.56.405.5
ROM DATE 08/28/07
RADIO VERSION 1.27.12.11
PROTOCOL VERSION 22.45.88.07H
storage
total 133.91 mb
in use 6.43
free 127.48 mb
program
total 101.38 mb
in use 29.73 mb
free 71.65 mb
I still see htc still hasnt fix the ugly 3g icon in their rom

my own kaiser customisations
just doing some quick customisation of my new kaiser thought i would share
1. change windows media player skin
2. change comm manager
3. replace htc x button with latest one
planning to change keyboard to balck one

waiting on mine to get here today (took the day off work and all that). I tracked the package when I woke up, and it said incorrect address. so I call the shipping company, confirm my address, and the lady asks "and the name of the business is tytn?". I was upset when I called in, but that made me do an ell oh ell.
can't wait!
eric b

duttythroy said:
3. replace htc x button with latest one
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How did you replaced the x Button? Is that a prog?
Thx
Geko
PS: Uuupppss i found the programm....

I am very excited to join the Kaiser community as well. I have parted the Athena community and I am glad I got rid of the Athena. I will still continue to help people in the Athena community but Kaiser is where my heart remains. I will stay tuned for HTC Omni. So what should we all new Kaiser users start off by doing? SuperCID unlock? Or is that unecessary for custom ROM usage?
Oh yea I luv my iPhone above all other devices ^^

nuclear said:
I am very excited to join the Kaiser community as well. I have parted the Athena community and I am glad I got rid of the Athena. I will still continue to help people in the Athena community but Kaiser is where my heart remains. I will stay tuned for HTC Omni. So what should we all new Kaiser users start off by doing? SuperCID unlock? Or is that unecessary for custom ROM usage?
Oh yea I luv my iPhone above all other devices ^^
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Maybe we should ask how many Athena guys have ended up here? I am keeping mine for awhile while Keizer takes 1st spot

I'm not able to change the keyboard with a black one. Can you share your cab?
Thank you
Matteo

Welcome aboard!
Are you using this X-Button? Checking it out it seems that it's got a OK/X Bug? Can you verify?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330046&highlight=HTC+X-Button
For black keyboard, I was turned on the Resco Keyboard Pro, very nice on-screen keyboard!, very flexible/skinnable, with calculator
I've applied JJ's Black theme, Black Dialer, Schaps Com Manager and am loving my Kaiser, a nice evolution from Hermes.
The only function I really miss is Vjay Lumos, we really need a mappable display bright toggle key. The Kaiser's screen is not transreflective and a brightness "bump" would be very helpful while out and about outdoors.

duttythroy said:
just doing some quick customisation of my new kaiser thought i would share
1. change windows media player skin
2. change comm manager
3. replace htc x button with latest one
planning to change keyboard to balck one
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Welcome Duttythroy! I hope you are planning to do some cooking on the Kaiser...your help in tweaking the ROMs would be greatly appreciated. I haven't made any customizations on mine yet (other than changing the WM skin and installing a crapload of software).
The CommMgr one is the one I want the most. I want one that just essentially adds the 3G button to the existing one in the open space on the window. Other than that, I'm quite happy with it stock at this point. But I'm sure new cooked ROMs will add lots of tweaks that will make it even better...

nuclear said:
I am very excited to join the Kaiser community as well. I have parted the Athena community and I am glad I got rid of the Athena. I will still continue to help people in the Athena community but Kaiser is where my heart remains. I will stay tuned for HTC Omni. So what should we all new Kaiser users start off by doing? SuperCID unlock? Or is that unecessary for custom ROM usage?
Oh yea I luv my iPhone above all other devices ^^
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Its really a good phone enjoying it only bug I found so far
gps keeps losing signal
internet explorer bug when browsing very slow and buggy
Last time i saw you was in the universal forum ages ago.
i still love my x7500 and will keep it.

victoradjei said:
Maybe we should ask how many Athena guys have ended up here? I am keeping mine for awhile while Keizer takes 1st spot
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i would say about 5 if i was to guess

Matteo66 said:
I'm not able to change the keyboard with a black one. Can you share your cab?
Thank you
Matteo
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i made a cab but it wont install i think it hsa to be cooked in

jomo25 said:
Welcome Duttythroy! I hope you are planning to do some cooking on the Kaiser...your help in tweaking the ROMs would be greatly appreciated. I haven't made any customizations on mine yet (other than changing the WM skin and installing a crapload of software).
The CommMgr one is the one I want the most. I want one that just essentially adds the 3G button to the existing one in the open space on the window. Other than that, I'm quite happy with it stock at this point. But I'm sure new cooked ROMs will add lots of tweaks that will make it even better...
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yeah thats the one I am using but i believe its got a small bug sometimes but still a grat improvement over the 1.51 version to me.

duttythroy said:
Its really a good phone enjoying it only bug I found so far
gps keeps losing signal
internet explorer bug when browsing very slow and buggy
Last time i saw you was in the universal forum ages ago.
i still love my x7500 and will keep it.
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Agree about the PIE bug.
GPS - I wonder whether it's worth a hard reset and a re-run of the quick GPS for you. I only say this cos mine, even indoors is very good at holding a signal using tomtom at least.
Mike

Same here. No problems with GPS. Amazing work with TomTom

mikechannon said:
Agree about the PIE bug.
GPS - I wonder whether it's worth a hard reset and a re-run of the quick GPS for you. I only say this cos mine, even indoors is very good at holding a signal using tomtom at least.
Mike
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will try and hard reset tomorow and test it again. picks up signal really quick but doesnt hold it switches from 2 to 3 to 2 and to 6 and so forth.
using tomtom with settings for gps set to biult in gps and external gps program port set to com 4. gps hardware port none.

[What to install] Just got new Tilt 8925

Just upgraded my phone from Treo 750 to the New AT&T Tilt. It is a new company phone fresh out of the box with a 4gb memory card.
I turn to you for guidance on how to get the most out of this phone.
What are the must haves?
What Rom and Radio?
etc
Thanks in advance.

you need to hardspl your phone first, and then you can start flashing. there's a few different rom available, and everyone has their own preferences. my advise, read read read, and then read some more.

Well, i must say you came to the right place. But you're asking the wrong question my friend. All i can say to you is READ. You will learn there is soo much info on this site that it will take you at least a month to narrow down your own decisions on what you want/need. Everyone on here has a different preferance for what they want/need. I'm not going to flame you, because you don't deserve it . . . . YET Just do what we all do and have been doing ever since we came in contact with our 8125/8525/8925 . . . . READ. Start with the Wiki, and then start reading up around the forums as for what is avalible for you to @#$% around with. Have fun, and trust me , YOU WILL!!!

Welcome!
Read... and read some more. It's really a matter of taste. I'd start simple with things that won't break your phone, but once you find out how to flash that won't last long. If you don't want to flash I recommend pulling your battery before the device customization on first boot. If you've already passed the point you can hard-reset by pushing both soft keys and resetting with the stylus. Pull your battery when your device says "Device will customize in 3 seconds..." and all of the ATT bloatware will be gone!
Just a few things to remember.
HardSPL First!
GPS Always runs on COM4 Baud 4800
Make sure your radio works with the ROM you have chosen
Have fun!

XtreMe_G said:
you need to hardspl your phone first, and then you can start flashing. there's a few different rom available, and everyone has their own preferences. my advise, read read read, and then read some more.
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You only beat me to it cause you wrote less than me!!! DAMN U!!!

Thanks for all the quick replies and for not flaming me..... yet.
Time to get comfortable and start reading.

Welcome!!!
Haha the first thing you should do, is TAKE IT BACK!
while you still can.

icewhitenewyear said:
Welcome!!!
Haha the first thing you should do, is TAKE IT BACK!
while you still can.
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I honestly considered that because I miss not being able to use the 8925 with one hand like the treo. I got spoiled being able to text with one hand.
Oh well I still have a few more weeks to decided.

Globalrebel said:
You only beat me to it cause you wrote less than me!!! DAMN U!!!
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XtreMe_G 1 Globalrebel 0

Don't listen to them
Phone is awesome. Yeah it does have a big drawback in the 3D rendering department, but, hopefully, we will solve this in future somehow. Besides, there's no perfect phone.
I just wanted to recommend u to try out iGo MyWay Plus 2006 for GPS software. I think it's the best, and I've tried many.
Definitely install KaiserTweak.. and if you're into games, I'd recommend games by company called MoreGames, they have some awesome stuff.
Oh and get a CorePlayer QTV for video.

jmckell said:
I honestly considered that because I miss not being able to
actually it is pretty easy to fix that. I use the resco keyboard with the iskin and it is almost like using my treo. have fun.
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DarkDvr said:
Don't listen to them
Phone is awesome. Yeah it does have a big drawback in the 3D rendering department, but, hopefully, we will solve this in future somehow. Besides, there's no perfect phone.
I just wanted to recommend u to try out iGo MyWay Plus 2006 for GPS software. I think it's the best, and I've tried many.
Definitely install KaiserTweak.. and if you're into games, I'd recommend games by company called MoreGames, they have some awesome stuff.
Oh and get a CorePlayer QTV for video.
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Thanks for the advice....
What about iGO 2007?

Must have freeware and apps (for me anyway) with no flashing
Google maps
Windows live
PCM keyboard
HTC Enlarge Start Menu
IE Slow scroll fix
Mini opera and Opera mobile
TCPMP (with plugins such as Flv and WMV plugin)
HTC Dialer
Duttythroy 1 calc
I personally prefer to keep the natural look of my MDA Vario III but do like some of the apps originally found on the cooked ROM's

xconradx said:
Welcome!
Read... and read some more. It's really a matter of taste. I'd start simple with things that won't break your phone, but once you find out how to flash that won't last long. If you don't want to flash I recommend pulling your battery before the device customization on first boot. If you've already passed the point you can hard-reset by pushing both soft keys and resetting with the stylus. Pull your battery when your device says "Device will customize in 3 seconds..." and all of the ATT bloatware will be gone!
Just a few things to remember.
HardSPL First!
GPS Always runs on COM4 Baud 4800
Make sure your radio works with the ROM you have chosen
Have fun!
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Sorry to thread jack, but I thought it's supposed to be COM4 Baud 9600.

What is the "Kaiser Tweak"?

I'll be in your position soon. Getting Tilt within next two weeks. I've already been reading trying to catch up and focus on wants/needs. I love the I phone look alikes, but so many to choose from...need the best close to Iphone theme. lol!

I use TouchPal for my one handed keyboard. Love it, but it took some getting used to.
I still often pop out the keyboard since I moved my instant messaging entirely to my phone and sometimes will have long conversations. I also flip open the keyboard when taking notes and whatnot.

GPS Baud Rate
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Sorry to thread jack, but I thought it's supposed to be COM4 Baud 9600.
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i would not consider this a thread jack since the guy is new with his tilt as i was 2 weeks ago and i too strugled to find out the proper baud rate for GPS.
it is 4800.

Thanks for all the info and advice guys.
I did a hard reset on my phone last night and pulled the battery at the right time.
I have installed the following so far.
iGO
Kaiser Tweaks
Total Commander
I need something to customize the Today screen. How do I get the big clock on there?

phone is nice yes but i need to test the nokia n95 8 gig i hurd its better.

Lift your hand if the Jewel is running smooth as Silk

Everything working like a swiss watch over here.
Speed is no longer an issue, and I have adapted to the battery life cylces. Which is not that bad anyhow.
Overall Im very Happy with the Gem.
Any one feeling the same love toward the Diamond???
Cheers fellassss!
PS: Please keep the thread Clean everyone. Specially anything that smells like rotten applessss.
This is about the Jewel not rottenn appless.

You mean that with teh new update the phone is much much better?
I would be waiting the verdict on the update, in order to decide if to but the diamond or not

Sergio PC said:
Everything working like a swiss watch over here.
Speed is no longer an issue, and I have adapted to the battery life cylce.
Overall Im very Happy with the Gem. (specially after the gift that was offered by Panosha yesterday!)
Any one feeling the same love toward the Diamond???
Cheers fellassss!
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A very big +1 here. I absolutely love the Diamond and have no issues with the device what soever!!

haris_el said:
You mean that with teh new update the phone is much much better?
I would be waiting the verdict on the update, in order to decide if to but the diamond or not
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No, its an overall opinion.
Its been smooth through out this continuous updating!

It's a refreshing change from all the posts with people moaning and whining about their Diamonds

Sergio PC said:
Everything working like a swiss watch over here.
Speed is no longer an issue, and I have adapted to the battery life cylce.
Overall Im very Happy with the Gem. (specially after the gift that was offered by Panosha yesterday!)
Any one feeling the same love toward the Diamond???
Cheers fellassss!
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So are you running your diamond with a custom rom?
What software/tweaks have you installed?

I'm happy with my diamond
The next thing to buy is a screen protector!

Jorlin said:
So are you running your diamond with a custom rom?
What software/tweaks have you installed?
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My Jewel only accepts meals form the kitchen
Running standard MEM mods with Schaps.
TF3D config.

mkhattab said:
It's a refreshing change from all the posts with people moaning and whining about their Diamonds
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Yeah, these Gadget specific forums tend to get more negative comments... and newbies reading these forums get the wrong idea, alltough I believe 99% of the users are extra happy with their devices...
I just upgraded to Panosha Shine On 0.9 Light ROM and Radio v1.00.25.05... bunch of tweaks found here at XDA and the jewel is AWESOME...
So Here's my hand!!

randomgoon said:
I'm happy with my diamond
The next thing to buy is a screen protector!
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did you not get one.....this is a must!

Yes, another big hand up here. The Diamond is an amazing phone. Usually I loose interest for a new gadget after a couple of weeks. Now, after a bit more than a month, I'm still very happy with my Diamond. It runs smooth... (using SwiftBlade's latest rom (v5) and some XDA tweaks)

more than happy
waves both hands in the air

As much as I researched, and badmouthed the iphone.. and bought a htc diamond. I actually tried an iphone yesterday and was blown away by the interface. The touch screen is so much more sensitive, you dont need to apply any pressure. I have noticed on my diamond i have to apply more pressure in the corners than the middle of the screen.. it gets annoying. As much as I hate to say it I am starting to regret my decision to be anti-apple. I am running elite 3 rom with spb mobile shell, and yes it is smooth.. but it is nowhere near as smooth as the iphone.

liamhere said:
did you not get one.....this is a must!
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Nope, I've heard that you should get one in the box, but I bought mines second hand from computer exchange (they have several branches here in the uk)
It was classed as grade a, which is near perfect condition but I didn't get a screen protector...

johnnymatrix said:
As much as I researched, and badmouthed the iphone.. and bought a htc diamond. I actually tried an iphone yesterday and was blown away by the interface. The touch screen is so much more sensitive, you dont need to apply any pressure. I have noticed on my diamond i have to apply more pressure in the corners than the middle of the screen.. it gets annoying. As much as I hate to say it I am starting to regret my decision to be anti-apple. I am running elite 3 rom with spb mobile shell, and yes it is smooth.. but it is nowhere near as smooth as the iphone.
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Did you read the thread title?

randomgoon said:
Nope, I've heard that you should get one in the box, but I bought mines second hand from computer exchange (they have several branches here in the uk)
It was classed as grade a, which is near perfect condition but I didn't get a screen protector...
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hello fellow brummie
just get one of ebay......for peanuts on there
you don't want to mess your new toy up do you

mkhattab said:
Did you read the threat title?
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read......read...i can't read

had the GEM two months now and after flashing at least a dozen ROMS i've got it just how i want it... for now anyway!
Using Dutty's v1.5 with schapps & host of other tweaking tools.
ITS RUNNING BRILLIANTLY & STILL DRAWS A LOT OF INTEREST FROM IPHONE OWNERS. Most of the time their jealous

johnnymatrix said:
As much as I researched, and badmouthed the iphone.. and bought a htc diamond. I actually tried an iphone yesterday and was blown away by the interface. The touch screen is so much more sensitive, you dont need to apply any pressure. I have noticed on my diamond i have to apply more pressure in the corners than the middle of the screen.. it gets annoying. As much as I hate to say it I am starting to regret my decision to be anti-apple. I am running elite 3 rom with spb mobile shell, and yes it is smooth.. but it is nowhere near as smooth as the iphone.
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your IQ must be lower than yr posts number. can't you read the thread's title? make an effort..try again. ask somebody to read it for you...
and move to an i-phone forum. before you do this read (oops, again we have a problem) this:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/

KukurikU said:
your IQ must be lower than yr posts number. can't you read the thread's title? make an effort..try again. ask somebody to read it for you...
and move to an i-phone forum. before you do this read (oops, again we have a problem) this:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/
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Why should i move to an iphone forum when i own a htc diamond? You dont understand how much I hated the idea of the iphone... I convinced many people not to get one, I also have a huge list of reasons not to get one. My point is yes I thought my diamond was running smooth as silk, then I tried the iphone which i hated so much.. and THAT really is smooth as silk, now when I use my diamond it feels sluggish in comparison. I think a lot of the people saying their diamond is smooth havn't tried an iphone. I still prefer the diamond because it can run background processes, mind you.
Theres no need to be a ****, post count dosnt mean anything. Maybe you should take some lessons in grammar if you're going to accuse people of not being able to read.

Camera is only Black

I changed to WM 6.5 last night. I had the AT&T 6.1 rom before.
With both ROMs, my camera is just black. Doesn't show anything at all (not even darkly.
Any ideas? It's probably not software if it doesn't change when I update the ROM right?
I don't care for 6.5 much, so I'm going to try another 6.1 rom in a minute...
Thanks

Your radio ROM is incorrect for whatever hardware/ROM revision you are using. Experiment around with different radios until you get one that allows your camera to work.

Nice of you to search for the oldest problem out there.

ashasaur said:
Your radio ROM is incorrect for whatever hardware/ROM revision you are using. Experiment around with different radios until you get one that allows your camera to work.
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Thanks. Its been awhile since I played with a Windows Mobile phone, so I'm a little rusty. I forgot that some software stayed even when the OS was changed... geee... so simple
ChumleyEX said:
Nice of you to search for the oldest problem out there.
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Thanks for the advice. I'll just assume in the future that if I search and find nothing, that I must have used the wrong terms, and shouldn't bother asking in the future. Glad you saved me.
I did search. Now, when I searched "radio rom camera problem" (after the 1st response) I got tons of hits. When I searched "8925 camera is black only" I got nothing relevant. It's new to me.

Well, oddly enough, I encountered a much more serious problem with the ROM I was using, so I went back to 6.1 (I don't like 6.5 for some reason)
After loading the AT&T 6.1 rom, the camera works...

Thats because the ATT ROM has an included radio, which evidentally is one that works with your hardware revision and enables the camera.

ashasaur said:
Thats because the ATT ROM has an included radio, which evidentally is one that works with your hardware revision and enables the camera.
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Ok- So Radio rom can be flashed with or without the OS rom? Good to know.
The radio rom has to match the hardware? Or the OS?
I'd like to give the WM6.5 rom another try, if I can get everything to work

RoastGecko said:
Ok- So Radio rom can be flashed with or without the OS rom? Good to know.
The radio rom has to match the hardware? Or the OS?
I'd like to give the WM6.5 rom another try, if I can get everything to work
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Time for some reading
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393182

denco7 said:
Time for some reading
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393182
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Believe me, I know
I've got so many XDA threads open in tabs that I'm surprised it'll let me open more
Alot of the stuff I'm reading I'm remembering some of... it's been along time... lots of "oh yeah...!" moments... I want to be making my own roms in no time.. I guess I'm a few years late to the party... sad that they are killing Windows Mobile...

RoastGecko said:
I guess I'm a few years late to the party... sad that they are killing Windows Mobile...
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A couple years late to the Kaiser party, but I still love my Kaiser and it my not be as flashy and my be a tick slower and may not have the spacious screen that the HD2 has, but with a custom rom and a little tweaking, it does everything An HD2 does, and I love my keyboard.
Windows Mobile isn't dead, it was just taking a long vacation while Steve and Bill and the others were playing the " fat cat " billionaire roles to the hilt while the company went down the toilet.
Hopefully Windows Phone 7 series is the start of a resurgence that will integrate Windows, Windows Mobile, Zune OS and XBox into a fully integrated powerhouse, before it is too late.
Maybe Apple overtaking them is exactly what they need.

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Thanks. Its been awhile since I played with a Windows Mobile phone, so I'm a little rusty. I forgot that some software stayed even when the OS was changed... geee... so simple
Thanks for the advice. I'll just assume in the future that if I search and find nothing, that I must have used the wrong terms, and shouldn't bother asking in the future. Glad you saved me.
I did search. Now, when I searched "radio rom camera problem" (after the 1st response) I got tons of hits. When I searched "8925 camera is black only" I got nothing relevant. It's new to me.
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It was also on the rom flashing tutorial
7. After I flash a Rom I dont have any sound in calls and the camera is black
The Radio has to match the version of Rom you flash i.e. WM6.1, an incorrect Radio will give sound and camera problems. Read The Ultimate Radio Thread to find a Radio that matches the Rom there are lots to try on there if one doesnt work then try another.
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what's up Denco

ChumleyEX said:
It was also on the rom flashing tutorial
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Being no stranger to flashing roms on any of the dozen WM devices I've had over the years, I didn't bother to read a tutorial.
The only reason I ran in here and asked, was I recieved the phone in the mail that day. I needed to know if I needed to send it back.
Now, I need to go get back to fixing my 8525 for the misses....