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MDA IV Nerfs?

So just wondering.
Seeing as the MDACompact 3 had Wifi disabled with Tmobile in the UK.
Does anyone know what changes there where to the MDA4 other than the rear of the case?
(and why they do this anyway?)

I have a MDA Compact IV from T-Mobile Germany. Its exactly the same as a HTC, beside of changes in back and front cover and branding of cause.
But there are no ther nerfs.

Aye but with the UK MDAiii they removed the Wifi, so its really the UK version I was wondering about.

They haven't removed Wifi. The rom has Youtube and Messenger removed but I flashed it straight away. The device is lighter than the diamond and it sits flat on a table.

it has no sd card slot like the other touch diamonds out there, and it indeed has the fugly grey back.
I still love mine tho

suicidal.banana said:
it has no sd card slot like the other touch diamonds out there, and it indeed has the fugly grey back.
I still love mine tho
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Touch Diamonds dont have a memory card slot either. And i personally quite like the back, it isnt a fingerprint magnet and its slightly rubberised for better grip and it sits flat on a desk.

Definitely not does not have a rubberised back, it’s more of a matt finish then a shiny gloss hence the back is fingerprint resistant.
I was shocked at how much pressure needs to be applied to get the gestures to work. I tend to use the nail as it’s more effective.
Also similar problem to my orbit is that the edge of the screen to the edge of the casing has the tiniest of gaps, but if you get a bit of grit in there, it’s never coming back out!
All in all a great upgrade, I just wished they (HTC) didn’t make so many sacrifices. Think about it, if we had a slightly bigger battery, they could have probably fitted in a micro sd card reader as well. HTC have gone on record saying that adding a micro sd card reader would have added 2 mm to the thickness. Well that 2 mm might have also ment a larger capacity battery!

If you scratch the back with your nail you can feel its rubberised in some way, not like a car tyre rubber, but ever so slightly. Also if you title it to the side and drag it on the desk you can feel it sticks.
Compromises always have to be made, some people prefer a thiner phone, some people prefer a thicker phone with more features.
I thought it was 4mm?

So in Conclusion:
Positives are the back gets no fingerprint marks.
Negatives
No SD card slot
Easy ingress of Dirt around screen
No Youtube
No Messenger
doesnt look great for T-mobile customers then really.
..or am i missing something?

I think you are missing something.
The SD card slot issue is with all Diamonds (and variants) not just the T-Mobile version
The grit around the edge of the screen is again with all Diamonds (and variants) not just the T-Mobile version
The You Tube and Messenger apps are available through custom ROMs or standalone CAB files so can be effectively ignored.
Personally I prefer the look of the T-Mobile version to the HTC version, and as got got it for pocket change, I like it even more!

The Compact IV is also something like 10-15g lighter.
So
Positives:
- Sits flat on a desk
- Has a rubberised back that gets no fingerprints
- Is 10-15g lighter than the diamond
- Camera cover doesnt get all cloudy and blurry
Negatives:
- Requires some work to get youtube/messenger and remove pink branding like installing cabs or flashing the rom

The T-Mobile MDA Compact IV is in fact the HTC TOUCH VICTOR!!!!
Not the HTC TOUCH DIAMOND!!!
(MDA COMPACT IV AND HTC TOUCH VICTOR both have 192mb ram, Diamond had 256mb ram)
Rest of specs is the same!
See: http://www.slashphone.com/htc-p3702-victor-unboxing-photo-gallery-13880

tim_allewijn said:
The T-Mobile MDA Compact IV is in fact the HTC TOUCH VICTOR!!!!
Not the HTC TOUCH DIAMOND!!!
(MDA COMPACT IV AND HTC TOUCH VICTOR both have 192mb ram, Diamond had 256mb ram)
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Yes it is also known as the Victor, but to be honest there is no difference.
FYI both the Diamond and Victor have 192MB ram, the touch pro has 256MB ram.

K so after a quick search on the victor got this
http://www.slashphone.com/tags/htc-victor
something about no A-GPS (what is that?) on certain phones in Taiwan.
Does this mean Victor has a lower level of GPS than the Diamond?

I got the TMUK MDA Compact IV which comes with a crappy grey pouch for the phone. HTC gives a leather pouch...personally I prfer the lether pouch, but Im sure I can buy it somewhere??

Diamond build quality *re-visited*

I know there is already a post on this, but it applied mostly to grey market diamonds. I would like to hear from some people who have recently bought official HTC diamonds from their service providers.
My phone's screen is perfect. No yellow tints and no lines/rainbowing. However, the top and bottom panels are not flush with one another meaning that at a certain angle, the backlight bleads out a little on the left side where the panels meet. In addition, the top panel does not align with the rim of the phone properly so that there is a thin gap - this is quite annoying as the gap appears to have already accumilated dust/lint.
My phone is from Orange and I received it a few days ago. I can't say that these 'issues' bother me too much, but I would like to hear how common they are and whether they might pose problems etc. If this is a rarity and I have been unlucky I may consider swapping it for another Diamond.
Thanks,
S.

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Why the silence guys? :-(
Share your thoughts please. I lead a pretty hectic life so build is v. important for me, so your opinions/perspectives would really help.

Only thing I have noticed on mine is that the printed ring around the wheely thingy is not central.
Seriously, I think it's fine.

My Diamond is perfect. Came from my provider here in Finland, and no issues with build quality at all.

Probably not silence, more likely most have no issues!
Certainly none with mine.

I have a TMobile MDA Vario IV Compact and have no hardware build quality issues (don't get me started on the default software branding ! YUCK !)

Fair enough. The question is, do I swap this diamond which works flawlessly and has a great screen, for another which in all probability will not, for the sake of cosmetic perfection?
I'm thinking NO.

Grey market ?!
My HTC is 100% official but I bought it directly from a high street dealer rather than from my GSM provider.
I usually do that for two reasons - Firstly it's quicker when you want to get hold of new trendy phones Secondly I don't have to bother with simlocking and operator limitations
....and the rebate is often better.
Please don't think that only operator branded copies are genuine.
BTW - You should keep your handset if you're happy with it

FH1 said:
Only thing I have noticed on mine is that the printed ring around the wheely thingy is not central.
Seriously, I think it's fine.
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i have the same problem .. .. well it isnt really a problem at all ... and i have a dead pixel .. but just 1 pixel in a 640x480 screen is not noticeable at all

perfect diamond here. got it from provider first day it came.

got mine today on t-mobile uk. its perfect!

Had mine since it was launched on Orange and the only problem I have is one dead pixel which is stuck on blue. It's almost impossible to see without really looking for it though so doesn't really bother me.

same here.. bought it from vodafone. not a single *build* flaw

So no-one can see any amount of white light leakage through a tiny gap where the two panels meet then? I must have an extremely rare phone! lol.

I have a slight gap with light leakage, doesn't bother me as you can't really tell with the top and bottom screen protector on and lined up peroperly.
I don't think its very rare as I've seen a few video's with the same problem. I read someone on here had the same issue and tried returning it but was apparently told it was within HTC's build tolerance.

When you say screen protector, do you mean a third-party one you have bought yourself?
Interesting re HTC build tolerance. Hmm...

I use a martin fields protector which comes with the screen protector and a protector for the bottom button bit.

kien said:
I have a slight gap with light leakage, doesn't bother me as you can't really tell with the top and bottom screen protector on and lined up peroperly.
I don't think its very rare as I've seen a few video's with the same problem. I read someone on here had the same issue and tried returning it but was apparently told it was within HTC's build tolerance.
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I have this "gap" as well, but it is miniscual and I'm sure its on most of the devices....you just have to look real Hard.

My gf's Diamond is almost perfect. I just noticed the stylus to be slightly misplaced... But she didn't even noticed it, so it's not a big deal.

Mine looks perfect, but I have a little backlight leakage on the bottom of my screen. Means a yellow/white spot on the bottom of my screen.

Touch Diamond 2, Touch Pro or HD?

hi all,
i am planning to buy a new htc model and i am thinking about getting either a td2, hd or pro. currently in our country we only have hd and pro, td2 will be available in 2 weeks time. wgich do you think should i get and why?
By the way, do all of them have haptic feedback? it was never mentioned in any site i checked.
Thanks everyone!
Cheers!

You could think of it in this way:
They are all the same with the following differences:
1-Diamond2 is the smallest & cheapest.
2-HD is similar to Diamond2 but bigger in size, bigger screen (in dimensions) & more expensive.
3-Touch Pro2 has slideout keyboard and screen is middle sized between the other two. it is also most expensive.
If you meant Touch Pro1, then it has the smallest screen of all three, but it does have a keyboard.
So based on your prefrences, you can only decide.

im planning to buy a new htc device this coming weekend, does the hd have the same rom with the td2? because i saw in some reviews that the td2 has more tabs and new touchflo. is the back housing of the td2 gets scratched easily? is the hd upgradeablo to 6.5? sorry for the questions.
thanks all!

Hey man, I don't own any of these devices, but I am planning on buying a td2.
Heres my comparison :
TD2 has better video recording,slightly nicer pictures than the hd but a smaller screen but improved tf3d(respond better), TD2 will also get a official 6.5 wm upgrade when it's out. Also has landscape qwerty keyboard now.
Too bad it has a extusb port for headphones, you have cheap converters though
HD has a big ass screen, but lower video recording resolution, is more of a pda than a phone. However, won't get a official 6.5 wm upgrade, but roms give you that, it runs on the hd. Also a 3.5mm headphone jack, very nice feature. However, feels really big, you can see this as a pro or con.
Tpro2 has a real keyboard, but a 3.2 mp camera(both hd and td2 have a 5mp camera), don't know if it gets a official wm 6.5 upgrade, this phone is too expensive in my opinion. Pretty much same features as td2.
It depends on what you are looking for, if you are looking for a phone like htc phone with better ability to make pictures and video and a slightly more polished software, go with the td2.
If you like watching videos and like a big ass screen, go with the touch hd.
If you want the same features as the td2, with a real keyboard but a worse camera, go with the tpro2.
Moneywise, I would say TD2 if you want the best deal.
Overall, in my opinion, I would say get the Touch Diamond 2 or the Touch HD.
Hope it helps

thanks zerosilver
my maincincern about the td2 is its back cover which scratches easily. does it have a haptic feedback? i heard hd has it.

orouborus said:
thanks zerosilver
my maincincern about the td2 is its back cover which scratches easily. does it have a haptic feedback? i heard hd has it.
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TD2 has haptic feedback and its screen is as sensitive as an Iphone's. Except that it can also sense fingernails, while the Iphone can't.

aLKayeL said:
TD2 has haptic feedback and its screen is as sensitive as an Iphone's. Except that it can also sense fingernails, while the Iphone can't.
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what about the back cover, does it get scratched easily? so td2 is better than hd?

aLKayeL said:
TD2 has haptic feedback and its screen is as sensitive as an Iphone's. Except that it can also sense fingernails, while the Iphone can't.
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WRONG. Haptic feedback does not mean it's a capactive touchscreen (aka iPhone's thermal touchscreen). It's not also, that's the difference between windows mobile phones (most of them anyways) and the iPhone. iPhone has thermal (capactive) touchscreen and htc uses a pressure touchscreen which goes by pressure points.

Just to be pedantic, capacitive is not thermal. It use the fact that your fingers can conduct electricity, so touching the screen change the static charge of the screen locally. Nothing to do with temperature, deal cold fingers would work as well as warm ones ;-)
But because it is based on conduction, capacitive screen are intrinsically more sensitive than resistive ones (based on pressure). The slightest touch is enough to change the static charges, in fact it already change slightly even before the finger touch the screen. On the other hand, there are no stylus that work for capacitive screen, at least for now (except fat conductive ones, but they do not allow drawing anymore than your fingers).
So resistive screen still have an advantage: you can get very precise drawing using sharp objects with pinpoint contacts (stylus, fingernails,...)
BTW, TD2 has much better finger detection than my older PDA....but on the other hand, handwriting recognition and drawing does not work as well: it is accurate in term of positioning, very accurate, but it is slow: drawing a line or curve on the screen work, but the curve appear with a very noticeable lag behind the stylus. That makes handrawing or handwriting possible but slow (I have to slow down my hand to get good results).
Anyone noticed that?

Lousy build quality these days?

Hi,
just wanna ask if the lousy build quality is normal for the Diamond. I've yet to see one that is problem free - and I had half a dozen in hands.
Mostly the dpad is not level and one edge lifts up.
Then often the power button is not level.
Then I've seen that the stylus does not get sucked in completely as it should be by the magnet.
And finally I've seen that the battery cover does not close completely (leveling at the top end) and come off very easily?
Given the fact that I only paid 290 Euros for my brand new Diamond and the features it packs I can endure a lot.
But given the fact that I know HTC from devices like the Qtek S110 I'm really dissapointed.
The build quality of HTC seemed to have gone downhill by a lot - Diamond problems like the one noted, Touch HD color peel off, Xperia X1 cracks and color peel.
What the heck are those chinese doeing? Do they think because they are the only ones building WM phones these days customers are willing to put up with such crap???

Mmmm...
I must be the odd-one out then because mine is really smart... no such issues?! Battery cover good, stylus fits, buttons level. Mine is HTC branded, may be its the network providers' manufacturing plants that are less than top quality?
I know for a fact that all brands are not built in the same plant. Having said that, the quality should be equal where ever they're built

i have the MDA version and the build quality on it is good. Nothing sticking out of uneven.

I've only tested HTC's own devices. And I've yet to see one that is free of flaws. Even the new D2 has problems like dust under the screen etc.

Private-Cowboy said:
I've only tested HTC's own devices. And I've yet to see one that is free of flaws. Even the new D2 has problems like dust under the screen etc.
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All I can say then Mr Cowboy, is that you've been damn unlucky. I've been using HTC devices since 2001, and I've had one device in all that time which I could fit in your 'duff' catergory?!

Actually, HTC are Taiwanese.
Apart from the obvious xenophobia, I have also noticed that one edge of the D-pad is raised, allowing the light to leak through. I'm a bit disappointed - the Diamond is my first HTC device, and one of the reasons I bought it was hearing how good the build quality generally was on HTC phones.

Well some say Taiwan is still China. Besides that I've used HTC devices for quite a few device generations. The best one prolly was my magician - rock solid and still runs strong with no signs of any wear.
The Diamond on the other hand simply does not feel solid and clearly shows what I would describe as cost reduction effects. If you treat the Diamond as a ... device you prolly don't care. And I don't do either very much because I got mine recently very cheap (because the D2 was sitting right besides the D1 in the store the D1 was sold for less then 300 Euros).
You get a mighty good load of features for less then 300 (my old Eten X500 had cost me double that) so I don't wanna complain too much. But I feel that I'd be prepared to pay another 100 for solid build quality (metal casing etc).
I've taken a very close look at other HTCs on display in various stores around town and all of them had at least minor flaws. The black X1s already showed color peel off like the Touch HD and even the display unit of the D2 had visible dust under the screen - and I don't think it was on display for very long.
That said I think the Diamond will be my last HTC. The features are great but I simply like a bit more solidity. I exchange my own Diamond twice to end up with one that I can half way live with - first one had a stylus problem (not sucked in properly) and a power button problem (wouldn't turn own sometimes - maybe because the power button was not level and did not press properly), the second one had a royally screwed dpad (bent inwards on the right side and lifting up on the left side) and non-fitting battery cover and the third only has a bit of the pad lifting up on the right side (not as much as the second).
I looked through 6 stores in town and my percentage of a 100% perfect HTC was - 0%, none, nada.
Maybe german stores only get the crap productions because germans usually don't complain much, who knows. ;-)
I even have a X1 lying around here (ordered because I was thinking about returning my Diamond) but I'll return the X1 instead. The X1 is also HTC meaning it's disaster (cracks and/or peeling) in the making and I'm not prepared to pay a 170 Euros on top of my Diamond for that.
On the other hand build quality in general has gone downhill as it seems. Even coworkers of mine complain about the shoddy build of there iPhone-Toys. And they paid much much more than I did for my Diamond. Maybe the X2 will be what I'm looking for given the fact it's made by Foxconn/Asus.

grahamkdt said:
I know for a fact that all brands are not built in the same plant. Having said that, the quality should be equal where ever they're built
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Prove it. Carrier brand snobbery is not going to get us anywhere.

I don't believe that either. For one HTC might be THE defacto PDA-monopolist but generall they are a rather small company. I don't think they have a lot of plants all over Taiwan.
And why should carrier devices should be build with higher 'tolorances'? Some carrier devices can be built a bit more solid - like the XDA Diamond given the different back cover - when they are changed from the original.

[Q] Back battery door loose

I just got my HD7 today and there is a noticeable amount of space between the part of the back you can remove and the bottom of the back. There is some creaking between the two back plates. The bottom backplate is higher raised than the top back plate. Is it supposed to be like this or did I just get one that was messed up. (FYI, I love my WinPhone7)

It is also on mine.

I've actually had 3 HD7s so far and each one had a different fit on the battery door. The one I have now has the best fit of them all but the first one, the top of the door stood out further than the rest of the door. The top wasn't flush with the side like the middle and bottom.
Quality control is lacking at HTC these days. The first one had signal problems. The second one had dead pixels all over the screen. So far this third one hasn't shown any problems.
I do believe, though, that the HD7 is the most gorgeous of all the WP7 devices yet. To me it's like a refined and polished HD2. It is everything I wanted in the HD2's appearance.

Make sure it is snapped into place properly. It may seem that it has seated properly but it needs a good press down with thumbs and it should snap into place and sit flush.

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I've actually had 3 HD7s so far and each one had a different fit on the battery door. The one I have now has the best fit of them all but the first one, the top of the door stood out further than the rest of the door. The top wasn't flush with the side like the middle and bottom.
Quality control is lacking at HTC these days. The first one had signal problems. The second one had dead pixels all over the screen. So far this third one hasn't shown any problems.
I do believe, though, that the HD7 is the most gorgeous of all the WP7 devices yet. To me it's like a refined and polished HD2. It is everything I wanted in the HD2's appearance.
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With the amount of devices HTC keeps churning out almost every second, its no wonder they are making mistakes in quality assurance on some of them.
I too have the same gap between the top cover and the bottom radio cover, you can see the sim through the gap.
Its odd that the Desire HD got a better unibody design than the HD7 and yet they are both practically siblins.
Would it have also killed them to put and SLCD instead of stantard LCD? I know amoled supplies are low and Samsung cockblocked Super Amoled distribution.
Such a large screen deserves higher quality.
I'm pissed off with HTC but I really really like my HD7 with WinPhone 7. Zune is fecking awesome.

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With the amount of devices HTC keeps churning out almost every second, its no wonder they are making mistakes in quality assurance on some of them.
I too have the same gap between the top cover and the bottom radio cover, you can see the sim through the gap.
Its odd that the Desire HD got a better unibody design than the HD7 and yet they are both practically siblins.
Would it have also killed them to put and SLCD instead of stantard LCD? I know amoled supplies are low and Samsung cockblocked Super Amoled distribution.
Such a large screen deserves higher quality.
I'm pissed off with HTC but I really really like my HD7 with WinPhone 7. Zune is fecking awesome.
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I agree. I expected a bit more hardware wise also. But I look at it like a refined and polished HD2. It looks exactly like what I've wanted my HD2 to look like. I was even envious of the Evo when I saw it. But this HD7 is even better looking than the Evo. That sweet black-chrome surround and those nice silver sound producing grills. The use of soft buttons, getting away from the hard buttons of the HD2. The super clean rear side and the even-better-looking-than-the-Evo kickstand.
As long as I look at the HD7 as an HD2.2, I'm content. WP7 is the real glory of this device. Such a sweet mobile OS.

MartyLK said:
I agree. I expected a bit more hardware wise also. But I look at it like a refined and polished HD2. It looks exactly like what I've wanted my HD2 to look like. I was even envious of the Evo when I saw it. But this HD7 is even better looking than the Evo. That sweet black-chrome surround and those nice silver sound producing grills. The use of soft buttons, getting away from the hard buttons of the HD2. The super clean rear side and the even-better-looking-than-the-Evo kickstand.
As long as I look at the HD7 as an HD2.2, I'm content. WP7 is the real glory of this device. Such a sweet mobile OS.
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I've never had a HD2 so i cant comment much on your experience, but I agree that the HD7 looks beautiful and well designed, i really like the weight and the black chrome surround. I could have done without the grills, but I'm getting used to them.
What I would have like are that materials used be more akin to the Desire HD, less plastic more metal for the main enclosure, then plastic elements where its needed. Alas, I'm sure there will be a WP7 htc HD8 phone like that in a few months with built in 32GB storage, then we HD7 owners will be crying.
I'm quite content, i just need WP7 to be updated with some fundamental features missed at launch to appease the power user in me.

I just got it yesterday so I took it back to t-mobile today and they exchanged it for me. It was such a hard choice whether to get this or the mytouch 4g.

rllong1 said:
I just got it yesterday so I took it back to t-mobile today and they exchanged it for me. It was such a hard choice whether to get this or the mytouch 4g.
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I had the MyTouch 4G and had data problems. Turns out it (Android) uses a separate data service than WinMo and mine was WinMo. But I hated the plasticy look of the front button panel and the protrusion on the USB and HP connectors. It ruined the aesthetics. I wished I had gotten the G2 instead. But I returned the MyTouch and later got another HD7, for which I am glad.

MartyLK said:
I've actually had 3 HD7s so far and each one had a different fit on the battery door. The one I have now has the best fit of them all but the first one, the top of the door stood out further than the rest of the door. The top wasn't flush with the side like the middle and bottom.
Quality control is lacking at HTC these days. The first one had signal problems. The second one had dead pixels all over the screen. So far this third one hasn't shown any problems.
I do believe, though, that the HD7 is the most gorgeous of all the WP7 devices yet. To me it's like a refined and polished HD2. It is everything I wanted in the HD2's appearance.
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I would have much rather had the hd2's metal battery cover over this one, but overall I am pleased with the design.
My signal seems a little worse, but I'm not sure if its a defect or just the way it is. Trying to give microsoft some time to see if an update might be coming for the radio.
As far as QC for this device, my back is flush, but if you play with the battery cover, you can make a small gap to see the sim.