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I'm sure it's been covered in a thread but I'm not able to find it so would appreciate someone explaining the following......
Is it possible to flash my bog standard M700 with the latest HTC ROM from their website?
I've been given a copy but I couldn't download it because of the Orange IMEI number would not resolve. Presumably there are no issues due to this and it will work just fine?
Lastly, has anyone written a step by step idiot guide to doing this? If not could someone please reply and tell me? I'm not all that techy with ROMs but can am OK with PCs and registry stuff etc.
Many thanks in advance!!
You're right it has been covered ;-), HOWEVER.....
NO you cannt use the HTC version on the Orange M700, it's just for the HTC branded phones. SO now relax and get a cooked version... Either MUN-RUS OR LVSW's are good. I personally have the LVSW version......
Look for it in the Trinity WM6 forum.
In the first post is ALL the software you need, grab all 3 bits of software, apply them in order as listed in the instructions. And thats it, shiney new WM6 M700.... however remeber after you do this to remake all the MMS settings etc etc otherwise Photo Messaging etc etc wont work BUT on Oranges' web site there is a "me Proof" guide to putting it right ;-)
Thats it, go get'em fella
Thanks, Just out of interest, why won't the HTC ROM work, after all it's still an HTC device!
Being lazy... do you have the link to the post please?
So you found this site, BUT cannt within this site find the Trinity Mobile 6 Forum or read the very first 2 posts in there?
Get a grip ;-)
As for the HTC thing... guess it's to stop people taking thier software off them and using it elsewhere, and all the troubles that entails with licsencing etc, ALSO dont forget Orange "Value Add" to the phone (brand the day lights out of it ;-) )
Yes found the link!! Just didn't think it was that obvious so wasn't looking at the top! Dohh!
What's Value Add?
Can anyone point me toward instructions on how to extract or backup my exiting Orange M700 ROM in can the upgrade goes pear shapped?
Still a little confused as to why the HTC ROM will not work. Can someone explain properly please?
It is all explained on the forums if, as deech says you "get a grip"
Do a search.
The reason upgrading will not work is mentioned in this the upgrade forum if you look. If you can't even look for it I'm not sure you'll understand the information though as it would involve thinking.
The way to backup a rom is also mentioned in this forum. In fact if you could be bothered to search you could quite easily find one that's already been made by one of the members of this forum in this forum section. It's even on this first page of this upgrade forum.
I don't quite agree with Deech though. I say you should get off your lazy arse and actually look for the information you want rather than just expecting everyone to point out information that's right in front of your eyes if you just look.
Sorry to flame but it drives me nuts that people can be so lazy and expect everyone else to find the information for them.
Value Add..... all those shiney little things that Orange and Vodafone etc add to the basic software, Like the WAP portal, Today Pages, etc etc, a straight HTC ROM (or Nokia, or Motorloa) ROM is very plain and boring, but often works sooo much better than that provided by the Mobile Company after they have "tinkered" with it, hence Value Added.
I agree though you shouldnt be re-flashing your phone if you cannt work the search button and read and FULLY understand what the hell is happening, and how to make things right IF they go wrong ;-)
If you know ehere something is it take 10 seconds to actually be helpful and tell someone whos asks in a polite manner!!
For example you would have trouble finding the difference between a half inch Whitworth and a half in UNC bolt!! I, on the other hand could tell you in less then 10 seconds.
Thanks for all your help!
Excuse me all overe the place BUT... I've just trawled through here and can't find anywhere that says the M700 cannot be flashed with the latest Trinity ROM from HTC, and the reasons why.
Am I right?
Here's what you do. Download the official HTC ROM and try flashing your phone with it, then you might actually believe us when we tell you that you can't flash your phone with it. The official reason that you can't use it on your phone is because your phone isn't actually an HTC phone, it's an Orange SPV M700. Or so they'll have you believe.
I understand the difference between a half" Whitty and a half" UNC. One's a Whitty and one's a UNC, easy
Read the forums, then ask questions.
Peace,
BS...
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Excuse me all overe the place BUT... I've just trawled through here and can't find anywhere that says the M700 cannot be flashed with the latest Trinity ROM from HTC, and the reasons why.
Am I right?
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Hi m8, Looks like you're in need of a little friendly advice, so here goes!
Despite what they're all telling you in this thread, you *CAN* quite easily flash the latest HTC Trinity ROM to your M700... You will first need to unlock your phone OR use the SoftSPL method described in this thread:-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293632
Unfortunately, you will need to educate yourself a little to achieve what you desire and this means READ and UNDESTAND the above thread before you attempt anything!
All the ROM's you could ever wish for are available through this site, here :-
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Trinity_Upgrades
To be even more helpful, the HTC ROM you require is here :-
http://rapidshare.com/files/2296300...1_1_.23.405.2_103_6275_1.38.00.11_108_GPS.exe
(Looking at one of your other help question threads, it looks like you don't know how to download from Rapidshare, you need to go to the bottom of the above linked page and click the "FREE" button, then choose your download site from the page that follows... enter the security key as shown and dah dah.... a download!)
If you need any further help then PM me, rather than filling up this thread any further!
I hope this helps!
Moz.
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For example you would have trouble finding the difference between a half inch Whitworth and a half in UNC bolt!! I, on the other hand could tell you in less then 10 seconds.
Thanks for all your help!
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Happy to help, but you ask a question I answered it.
As for showing off about Whit / UNC threads..... dont judge books by thier covers, in real life I am a Marine Engineer serving on some of the largest container ships ever built in a very senior position
Now please please take the time to learn about your phone, read all the fora here, and sort out what it is you want to do. And happy flashing once you pop you cannt stop
LOL. is all I can say. You haven't got a hope in hell.
You CAN'T flash the HTC to an M700 because it's locked to Orange. (Similar to a sim lock... Need that explained? Or can you search now??)
Unlock it and you're laughing. (As Mozzer says)
When I posted last, less than 5 posts below yours asking about backing up the rom was the post containing the last link Mozzer has given you, as I said it was even on the first page of threads, not far to look. A forum search for M700 would have shown it immediately.
Backing up the ROM is much harder than flashing it so would have been out of the question for you.
As for UNC and Whitworth. All I can say is congratulations. You, like pretty much all of us (if not all of us) here, also have knowledge in other fields.
I won't bother trying to make myself look big by quizzing you.
I have to admit I have very little knowledge of these devices and am forever endebted to the members of this forum for the information that is shared here and the work put in by many. The difference between you and me is I don't demand it on a plate.
I can use the search engine and look at Stickies. They're stickied for a reason! That reason is either to warn you of forum regulations OR because they are important.
It's not that hard to look in the Trinity subforum and at the first topic which is a link to the Trinity Wiki. (U know what a wiki is? Or is that not of interest as it's not UNC?)
In the Trinity Upgrading sub forum:
5 posts below this (probably seven when I submit this) is a thread entitled:
Moz's RUU_Trinity_Orange_UK_1.23.61.5_1.38.00.11_GSM_NoI PL_NoSPL.exe
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Wonder what that is..... I admit it's a tad convoluted. But you know you have a trinity which is badged by orange.
Third sticky down is entitled:
SSPL (or flashing any ROM 4 free)
Can't think what that's about. I want to flash my M700 with HTC branded.. Could this help? Naah I'll just save time and get everyone to do it for me.
In the Trinity Mobile 6 forum:
First 2 Stickies.. Wonder what they do. Won't bother looking.
Can anyone tell me how to wipe my arse. I've lost the ability to see and use my hands.
In my last post if you look I gave you some clues as to where you could find what you wanted. I'm on alot of forums and people who can't be arsed to have a look for themselves piss me off. If you'd looked and said I've found this that and the other but I'm not sure about it could someone help explain please I'd have done what I could to explain. But you couldn't even do that!
Many Thanks MOZZER!
At least there is someone here who has taken the time to be helpful.
So Deech... what is the difference i between half inch Whit and UNC?
Hi Mozzerr!
As you were kind enough to help with sensible answers could you please advise on the following:
I feel that the Orange ROM on the M700 seems a bit shaky and the GPS take forever to make a cold start... just a gut feeling it's probably the ROM hence the view to flash it.
In your opinion are there any major advantager to WM6 over the HTC release. I don't use 3G stuff or other advance comms mail etc. just the Phone, Active synce stuff, MP3s, Camera and TomTom via the GPS?
What would you do?
Ah now a sensible question.
WM6 is considerably faster than WM5 when it comes to loading menus and programs (and as far as I've found is completely stable).
There currently appear to be a few people who have a battery drain issue, which I for one have not had and should be ironed out soon.
If you use tomtom there is a cab somewhere (I forget where) in the Windows Mobile 6 forum called ATIfix.cab which fixes the freeze issue (if you get it).
If you're going to go to WM6, which I personally would recommend, you can always flash back to the HTC flash if you don't like it.
TBH other than speed for what you've listed as items you use it'd be more about the look and feel of it, so try both and go with what you're happier with.
I hope that helps.
Just remember you loose all the Orange Branding when you flash, so "IF" you find any of it remotely useful it will disappear, including settings for MMS etc.
The Tom Tom Freeze thing seems pretty common, mine idi it big time, but everything else is nicer, faster and smoother.
WM6 is..... nice and well worth it
There is a cab on the forums with all the MMS setting on this forum. I think I linked relinked it somewhere in the Mobile 6 forum, plus some people have extracted several of the orange programs and posted them.
Hello pals,
I have a Audiovox Harrier PPC 6600 with Wm2003SE,
is possible to upgrade the OS to WM5 or WM6 ?
Please, im desperate to upgrade this.
Sorry if someone has answered this question in another thread.
Best Regards.
Anderson
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I have a Audiovox Harrier PPC 6600 with Wm2003SE,
is possible to upgrade the OS to WM5 or WM6 ?
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In a word, no.
Sorry if someone has answered this question in another thread.
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Not to be an arse about it, but it's obvious that you did no research on this question before posting. A search of the forums would have shown you the thread located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=244441&highlight=CDMA+Harrier+wm5
You might get more results if you at least look first. If you have looked, you didn't state it and your post sounded like you couldn't be arsed enough to look.
Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to make a point that many people seem to have problems grasping.
I've searched the forums many times, and I would still post the question from time to time if others didn't just to be sure someone didn't just discover something.
I personally would like to know if there is a Harrier CDMA upgrade to WM5 or WM6 that forgoes the the radio, or if someone has tried to use the radio "drivers" out of a 6700 (Apache) to any degree of sucess. In my research, I've seen the idea floated, but I'm not sure how deeply the situation has been probed.
I do appreciate the work Helmi and others do, and I simply want to know if there is any update on this front.
Guys, does a harrier get completely bricked if it is upgraded to WM6 or does it just lose its radio/phone functionality? The reason I ask is I am a Kaiser user but I have my old Verizon Harrier that I'd like to make use of its gorgeous 3.5" display for movies while in the car (very safe, I know).
I'm on ATT now, so no more Verizon. I'd be using this device strictly for its PDA functionality.
I realize I can just use TCPMP on the wm2003 OS as is, but i figured there were some chefs that had done some pretty sweet roms for the device. Heck, I don't even need WM6, I'll just take the best Rom, regardless of which winmo version.
I know in the kaiser forums, duttythroy is pretty much the heavyweight chef. Is there a similar heavyweight rom or chef that everyone tends to lean towards on the harrier/BA? I spent about 15 mins doing some searches and reading Wikis but honestly couldn't find any info on harrier cooked roms.
It is now possible that Harrier could be hacked.
Unfortunately, the HTC CDMA hacking community has moved on. The HTC encryption on the ROM wasn't broken until after Harrier was long discontinued.
And, with new devices sporting gpsOne and EV-DO Rev A, there are now clear technical advantages to modern devices.
Ideally, HTC would have done the right thing and kept supporting older models. But, you already know that...
I don't care about the radio on the Harrier
As the previous poster mentions...Can I slap a Blue Angel ROM on my Harrier if I don't care about the radio? It would be a great 2nd device if I could get WM5 or WM6 on it. Again...I don't need (nor want) the CDMA radio on it to work.
Thanks.
no sir, tried myself, almost bricked phone DO NOT DO IT.
Just though that i would let y'all know. I just upgraded my ppc6700 to a Att Tilt.
I have an iphone and the apache belonged to my wife. After getting the tilt yesterday, i was able to install the custom roms no problem.
I tried 3 different receipies.
Stock ATT bloatware
NSE2.5
Dutty's 6.1
The NSE was nice, but not pretty enough for the woman, so i tried dutty's and she is running that now.
Just wanted to let you all know that i appreciate your work and you made it so easy! Hellalot easier than the iphone 1.0.2-.1.1.1 or 1.1.2 and the 1.1.3 hacks were.
So now i have an apache with nothing to do with it. Maybe Xanadu?
Peace!
Very good of you to says thanks. Also good to see you managed to find your way around and get and read all you needed. Your first post is a thankyou - I think we'll invite you to stay around here, you sound like the ideal newbie to the forum Of course now you'll have to help all those that do not find things as smooth as you
Mike
I've been having major issues with my phone since I installed a TNT Series Rom.
My rom version is 11.0.0.1 WWE
Radio Version 2.25.11 (i just put this on to try to fix the issues)
I wouldnt mind going back to WM5 because WM6 seems to be soooooo slow, i'm aiming for stability because my phone's pretty near useless since it never rings when I get calls and It doesn't even notify me of voicemails.
I can't seem to find any current links for any firmwares to downgrade to either =/
Thanks in advance
You need Radio version 02.19.11. Anything else and you will get lost calls.
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You need Radio version 02.19.11. Anything else and you will get lost calls.
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hm, damn, didn't know that, is there somewhere on the site that i can download that?
Have you noticed an option called "search" ?? On the top of this screen ??
yes... i have, thanks for that, i was wondering if anyone had a download link already in a thread they knew of, but thanks.....
Search on this forum is worthless. Try searching for "AT&T" with or without quotes in whole forum, get zero results.
I found this topic by Googling and I keep hitting deadends with jerks like you telling people to SEARCH instead of actually providing useful information. This topic is on the first page for what I'm looking for. I want the same thing - a stable, usable ROM for an HTC Wizard on Cingular (now AT&T). I've had nothing but headaches trying to upgrade this Wizard for a friend. It's been a nightmare with a flood of poorly designed and unsupported abandonware ROMS with bugs enough to make it darn near unusable, and biased tutorials that end me up with a T-Mobile Pocket PC instead of a Cingular PPC, with no information about how to make it appear to be a Cingular PPC again.
I've given up on WM6 on this Wizard and now I'm just looking for a working Windows Mobile 5 ROM again. Chances are, I'll have that figured out by tonight, but I'll still have this topic on watch so I can be notified when someone with half a functioning brain decides to reply. Damn this is frustrating.
(oh, and hi, first poast, olol)
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Search on this forum is worthless. Try searching for "AT&T" with or without quotes in whole forum, get zero results.
I found this topic by Googling and I keep hitting deadends with jerks like you telling people to SEARCH instead of actually providing useful information. This topic is on the first page for what I'm looking for. I want the same thing - a stable, usable ROM for an HTC Wizard on Cingular (now AT&T). I've had nothing but headaches trying to upgrade this Wizard for a friend. It's been a nightmare with a flood of poorly designed and unsupported abandonware ROMS with bugs enough to make it darn near unusable, and biased tutorials that end me up with a T-Mobile Pocket PC instead of a Cingular PPC, with no information about how to make it appear to be a Cingular PPC again.
I've given up on WM6 on this Wizard and now I'm just looking for a working Windows Mobile 5 ROM again. Chances are, I'll have that figured out by tonight, but I'll still have this topic on watch so I can be notified when someone with half a functioning brain decides to reply. Damn this is frustrating.
(oh, and hi, first poast, olol)
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unfortunately i have found THIS EXACT same results, except they were responses to other people's questions and i haven't flashed.. yet. i was preparing to, in about one cigarette's amount of time, until i found your post just now. very disappointing. i'm affraid of going to wm6 or 6.1 now.. for fear of the dropped calls some other guy in this post was complaining of, and the slowness you speak of. very unfortunate. i've spent 7 hours struggling with poor search capabilities to attempt to determine the best rom and any issues i might have. i was about to pull the trigger and you RUINED IT FOR ME. hahaha. so let me know how your event goes tryin to get back to wm5, in case i need to do the same
http://download.america.htc.com/RUU_Wizard_225111_22511102_022511_CWS_WWE_Ship_1.exe
Here's a link to the original Cingular WM5 ROM. I asked a similar question a few days ago, and was graciously provided the link.
WRT fixing your problem, did you try downgrading to the Button ROM, and then reupgrading to WM5? Might make things easier for you.
Chuck
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http://download.america.htc.com/RUU_Wizard_225111_22511102_022511_CWS_WWE_Ship_1.exe
Here's a link to the original Cingular WM5 ROM. I asked a similar question a few days ago, and was graciously provided the link.
WRT fixing your problem, did you try downgrading to the Button ROM, and then reupgrading to WM5? Might make things easier for you.
Chuck
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Link broken, here is a link I found googling
http://w16.easy-share.com/1700053307.html
I'm actually about to try it right now, I'm also stuck
in bootloader mode
FalconFour said:
Search on this forum is worthless. Try searching for "AT&T" with or without quotes in whole forum, get zero results.
I found this topic by Googling and I keep hitting deadends with jerks like you telling people to SEARCH instead of actually providing useful information. This topic is on the first page for what I'm looking for. I want the same thing - a stable, usable ROM for an HTC Wizard on Cingular (now AT&T). I've had nothing but headaches trying to upgrade this Wizard for a friend. It's been a nightmare with a flood of poorly designed and unsupported abandonware ROMS with bugs enough to make it darn near unusable, and biased tutorials that end me up with a T-Mobile Pocket PC instead of a Cingular PPC, with no information about how to make it appear to be a Cingular PPC again.
I've given up on WM6 on this Wizard and now I'm just looking for a working Windows Mobile 5 ROM again. Chances are, I'll have that figured out by tonight, but I'll still have this topic on watch so I can be notified when someone with half a functioning brain decides to reply. Damn this is frustrating.
(oh, and hi, first poast, olol)
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I know this is quite an old post....but I thought I'd respond to his frustration, because I myself was in your same position around the time you posted this. I have a Cingular 8125 and when I bought it, it had the official T-Mobile ROM Windows Mobile 5. My first PDA. I came to xda by chance and read all the cool stuff. I became aware of what is called "Flashing." I must have read the tuturial a dozen times, and "flashed" it nearly 2 dozen times lol (or what I thought was flashing hahahaha) The only thing I noticed was a splash screen change. lmao. But after trial and error I finally flashed it! yea! hahaha. I then learned about the other stuff like ISPL or whatever hahaha and radio stuff. So to make my point... I never asked for any help! I just searched, and read, searched, and read, trial & error, trial & error. So instead of demanding answers, go ahead and read through the forums, I know you don't always get what you search for, but read some more! I can guarantee your question has been answered, and you might learn a few new things!
Good Luck!
The AT&T Tilt did not recievve a ROM update today. This means no accelerated graphics for us and no WM 6.1. Thank you HTC and AT&T you have all been a big help.
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The AT&T Tilt did not recievve a ROM update today. This means no accelerated graphics for us and no WM 6.1. Thank you HTC and AT&T you have all been a big help.
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Old news ! Not nice to start a " new " thread for something we had not expected anyway.
Yeah, I know its old news. But even so, a large amount of people do not know this, so its still worth posting.
Do you realize what board you're on? Don't generalize, you have been left behind, not me. I've been running WM6.1 on my Tilt since the winter when it first leaked and have been running the lasted build since Monday.
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Yeah, I know its old news. But even so, a large amount of people do not know this, so its still worth posting.
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Everyone here knows this and it is not worth posting as you will find out.
No, I have browsed through some threads and it seemed that a decent amount of people had not realized that only the HTC-Branded devices had recieved the update.
People who read stuff already knew for like a month that the update would probably be only for HTC branded devices, I guess you don't.
Anyways, it doesn't mean there won't be official updates for you, just that your company, whichever it is, will have to customize things first before releasing a rom, especially adding all their bloatware.
Oh, and about accelerated graphics, please, noone got them, it's not that you're a special target.
I know that there were some "fixes" but no drivers, and it has been said that ATT users will get it, just when they get ready to release it after adding all their crap.
Christ people, u're becoming like NASIOC... a lil less flame, a lil more helpfullhess.
/rant
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Christ people, u're becoming like NASIOC... a lil less flame, a lil more helpfullhess.
/rant
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I am here to help , what was the question ? I just heard a rant that the mods have said ( continually ) is not appropriate for these forums. If you read the official announcement from HTC when they announced the TYtN upgrade, they said that they had no plans to release an upgrade fer the Tilt in the near future. Why is this rant important to this forum?
What are you talking about denco? This is not even a rant, it is a statement. I did not mean for it to be a rant and I did not mean for people to mistake it as one. I merely meant to inform people that only the branded HTC devices got the update. It appeared as though alot of people had not realized this, or, at least enough for me to post. I can even show you some quotes if you need me too.
Denco, please look up the definition of 'rant'.
htc rom
Just talked to HTC. There is no 6.1 rom from them for the HTC phones (mine is the TYTN II) available anywhere on the globe.
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... I merely meant to inform people that only the branded HTC devices got the update...
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I am not trying to entice the argument here, but i will add couple of things:
a) Most of the "regular" members here at xda already know that the tilt or any other branded version of the tytnII will not be getting the updates. (emphasis on regular).
b) none of the xda members really care about official updates as we have very gifted and talented chefs here that can port roms for us (and we are truly greatful for that) and seeing that the only diffrence between the TytnII and tilt is the front camera that shouldn't be a big deal.
c) drivers (which there aren't none) can also be ported. There are chefs already working on porting the diamond drivers over to tilt which runs vga.
Having said that i would like to thank you for the info ... but unfortunately its old news and no one likes repeatedly hearing old news.
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The AT&T Tilt did not recievve a ROM update today. This means no accelerated graphics for us and no WM 6.1. Thank you HTC and AT&T you have all been a big help.
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Did you try hitting the download link at the bottom of this link -
http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=67&act=sd
? (Posted by jdmba)
Welcome to the ROM update for the AT&T Tilt. Please review the following prior to downloading and installing the latest ROM update (version 1.62.502.0) on your device.
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I very nearly downloaded this one by mistake. I registered with htc but my phone S/N is not a real HTC device and was still logged in, but I managed to (mistakenly) download the file from that link without much issue.
That help?
That's still only 6.0..
ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!!1111one
Those bastards! Oh wait. I'm not worse off than I was before. Even If I didn't have XDA to feed my obsession for ROM flashing.
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Christ people, u're becoming like NASIOC... a lil less flame, a lil more helpfullhess.
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um what is there to help with? It doesn't seem like the OP had a question or required help in any way. He came on and made an ignorant statement.
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Just talked to HTC. There is no 6.1 rom from them for the HTC phones (mine is the TYTN II) available anywhere on the globe.
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I don't know who you spoke with but they were wrong; I just ran the HTC RUU (Rom Upgrade Utility) from the HTC e-club web site and the splash screen clearly states Windows Mobile 6.1. I have an HTC TYTN II and it works great.
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Christ people, u're becoming like NASIOC... a lil less flame, a lil more helpfullhess.
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LOL, nice call on NASIOC...as well as EvoM
The thing that puzzles me about this is the way the AT&T Tilt gets singled out as if it's special - in reality it's just one dozens of rebranded Kaisers around the globe, none of which have had an official update. I have a "Vodafone V1615", am I whining about where to download a Vodafone update for my Vodafone V1615? No, of course not, with the help of this forum it's been running the original HTC rom since October, and upgraded to the HTC 6.1 update a couple of days ago (before it was released by HTC in fact). So what's the problem?
The irony is the AT&T Tilt is (I believe) the only variant to have it's own section of the HTC website, and to actually have already had a rom upgrade back in February, albeit 6.0 only. Where are all the complaints about that from owners of the V1615, or the T-Mobile Vario 3, or the Orange Tytn II, or O2 XDA Stellar, or the "3" Tytn II, etc etc..?