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WinMo 7

My question is this..(I have never had a Winmo device so excuse my ignorance)
Will this phone be able to support WinMo7 when it is released?
Also, will HTC support it with a new touchflo thing?
or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?

Considering that WinMo 6.1 is only just being released with this phone - I doubt anyone could tell you whether the next OS is going to be supported on it or not with any certainty - it's not finalised yet!
That said, if any phone is going to be WinMo 7 compatible, this will - it's the most advanced phone to date and has every feature possible.

"or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?"
most reports seem to indicate that even when wm7 is released around Q2 2009
older devices with wm6.1 will continue to function
and not spontaneous combust

I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO

TDO said:
I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO
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Hmmm. But Microsoft can virtualise multi-touch.

Of course this is pure speculation but given their pattern, If HTC sells as many Diamonds as they are expecting, I can see them putting some effort into a Windows Mobile 7 upgrade rom as they did with upgrading the original touch over other more recent devices. With that really depends on what kind of upgrade path Microsoft makes for the devices and if it's even doable, if Windows Mobile 7 lives upto what everyone is saying about it, may need to upgrade to a device specifically designed for it.
For me the Touch Diamond is the last step to reaching the perfect device. Has everything I've wanted, small form factor, good amount of program memory, all the necessary features, better screen with VGA. Only thing that could make it better is an even better (capacitive) screen with a higher resolution and of course, a much better more updated front end operating system, ala Windows Mobile 7.

i think this device will not support winmo7 bcoz have new technologies.. and honestly, this device IS NOT SUPERB. just a faster processor, a lot of memory and gps stuff. the same thing as older ones

who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not

Rudegar said:
who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not
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that would be suicide for them if they did. I heard a rumor that WinMo7 will be multitouch also !

M$ has stated in 2009 they will come out with Window$ Mobile 6.5. I think that only devices that were shipped from the orginal launch date with 6.1 will be upgradable to 6.5 free from Sprint perhaps. Much in the same way that the Touch went from 6.0 to 6.1. I do not think the touch will get 6.5 as it was shipped from launch with 6.0.

My views:
- yes, the next step is 6.5, not 7, so no need to be doing plans on wm7 for the Touch Diamond at the moment.
- Which 'touch' are you talking about? If it's the Touch Diamond, it has been released from the very beginning with 6.1 on it, not 6.0.
- It's hard to say whether or not HTC will provide us with an official upgrade to 6.5, their policy is so unpredictable and not always sensible...
(remember what happened to European users of P3600...)
- I don't see any reason (except a processor major change as hinted in the post above) why Diamond would not be compatible.
- as far as I know, wm7 is designed to provide old phones with as many new features as possible.
Example: they even think of a work around for phones without accelerometr to sense motions using the built in camera.
- this doesn't mean old phones will be able to get the most out of wm7 new technologies, such as multitouch. But they will be using what their hardware allow them to.

Windows Mobile 7

I hear the beta of WM7 is out this month and wondered if anyone could confirm this?
Also is anyone planning to cook a WM7 ROM? Can the TP2 even run it?
Cheers
Tom

delta-9 said:
I hear the beta of WM7 is out this month and wondered if anyone could confirm this?
Also is anyone planning to cook a WM7 ROM? Can the TP2 even run it?
Cheers
Tom
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i've heard that the only phone possible to run it was leo currently due to the chip inside.

joshkoss said:
i've heard that the only phone possible to run it was leo currently due to the chip inside.
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I read on here a lot of people saying WM7 will be ARMv7 only but Tegra is ARMv6 apparently, as is the TP2 so the jury seems to be still out on this. Fingers crossed!

I thought that might be the case, this is what prompted me to ask!
Light research shows our MSM7200A has ARMv6 and the requirement of WM7 is ARMv6+ acording to the first site on google. I just wondered if someone more educated than me had looked at wether this would work yet!?

Hope it will run on the tp2 since I will not have the money to buy a new phone within a year...

I remember when I heard that neither winmo 5 and winmo 6.5 would ever run on my BA. I have learned to just wait and see what happens.

joshkoss said:
i've heard that the only phone possible to run it was leo currently due to the chip inside.
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The Leo is a brand new phone. They've been developing WinMo 7 for quite some time. Do the math

EGOvoruhk said:
The Leo is a brand new phone. They've been developing WinMo 7 for quite some time. Do the math
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and they didn't develop Leo for quite some time eh?

CandyAndy said:
and they didn't develop Leo for quite some time eh?
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Microsoft didn't develop the Leo, so that has absolutely not relation to what I was saying

And then there's the question even if it's technically possible, will it run like a three legged dog. WM 6.5 isn't even that fast on the old processor in the TP2, so any work in that direction could end up being pointless
I don't think we'll know until the clever chaps on here get their hands on WM7 betas.

i heard that wm7 will only be on multitouch phones

goody1928 said:
i heard that wm7 will only be on multitouch phones
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Not true. There are ads that show the OS on phones that do not support multi-touch. Windows "Mesh" is one ad that you see it very briefly on an HTC Niki/Touch Pro Dual. Not sure on the other devices in the ad.
Wikipedia has spotted this also, not that Wikipedia is always reliable, but youtube proved them to be spot on!
But I think what you heard was partially correct. Seeing WinMo 6.5 and 7 are to coexist at the same time, devices with multi-touch might get 7 by default. Although 6.5 is supposed to have some multi-touch as it is seen working on the Leo/HD2...

Dangerously said:
Although 6.5 is supposed to have some multi-touch as it is seen working on the Leo/HD2...
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The Leo is the only HTC phone that supports multi-touch, and it support multitouch because HTC made the drivers for that, winmo 6.5 doesn't support multitouch at all.

Dangerously said:
Not true. There are ads that show the OS on phones that do not support multi-touch. Windows "Mesh" is one ad that you see it very briefly on an HTC Niki/Touch Pro Dual. Not sure on the other devices in the ad.
Wikipedia has spotted this also, not that Wikipedia is always reliable, but youtube proved them to be spot on!
But I think what you heard was partially correct. Seeing WinMo 6.5 and 7 are to coexist at the same time, devices with multi-touch might get 7 by default. Although 6.5 is supposed to have some multi-touch as it is seen working on the Leo/HD2...
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The Windows Mobile 7 shown in the advertisement was a mockup, nothing more. All reports I've seen say that Microsoft will limit Windows Mobile 7 to the high end, multitouch devices, and 6.5 will be for the low end devices which do not fit the minimum specs for WM7. However, from what I hear, Maldives (6.5.1) will eventually become Windows Mobile 7 sometime in 2010, and the way I see it, if we can run 6.5.1 on our devices, we should hopefully be able to run it unofficially.
And has been said before, all multitouch on the HTC Leo is because of HTC, as the technology is not native to 6.5.

Capacitive Screen
The Touch Pro 2 has a resistive screen (basically two metal plates that touch to establish electrical current / contact). This allows for greater precision through the stylus but requires a stronger push.
I have heard that WM7 will ONLY run on capacitive screens (like the iPhone's) which is basically an electromagnetic field. Which is why the slightest touch activates something on the iPhone.
That being said, sorry folks. It looks like no WM7 for TP2
Samer

shassouneh said:
That being said, sorry folks. It looks like no WM7 for TP2
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Nice explanation of res / cap screens, but have some faith dude, there are a lot of unknowns so far
Also is it just me who prefers resistive screens? And multitouch is grossly over hyped and not a great deal of practical use when dealing with small screens IMO. But then I only spent a few mins with my mate's iPhone. Just an overpriced toy if you ask me, not keen on Apple either. Pretentious control freaks ...
Besides, using a stylus is altogether more civilised

Windows 7, for example
Hi all
Ex-squise me if I'm wrong but doesn't Windows 7 install in two modes, standard and touch/multitouch screen? If so, isn't that an example we might apply to WM 7?
Cheers
andrew-in-woking

My hopes are that they use a multi-touch resistive OLED screen with 1gh tegra or snapdragon.
By the time Win7 comes out, hopefully there will be a tp3

mda71 said:
My hopes are that they use a multi-touch resistive OLED screen with 1gh tegra or snapdragon.
By the time Win7 comes out, hopefully there will be a tp3
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I may be wrong, but I don't think resistive screens can support multi-touch because of how they work. What I'd really like to see is a screen with 24-bit color. I'm sick of paying top dollar for old 8-bit screen technology. Incase you wonder what I mean, ever notice how crappy a high quality 32-bit alpha blended image with gradients look on our screens?
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The touch panel is not actually part of the screen in the TP2 btw. The LCD sits behind it.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
I may be wrong, but I don't think resistive screens can support multi-touch because of how they work. What I'd really like to see is a screen with 24-bit color. I'm sick of paying top dollar for old 8-bit screen technology. Incase you wonder what I mean, ever notice how crappy a high quality 32-bit alpha blended image with gradients look on our screens?
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A little off topic, but the TP2's screen actually supports many more colors than the 16 bit default that WM uses. Windows Mobile can even support over 16 bit color; there were registry tweaks that could enable 24 bit color on older devices, but alas, it doesn't work on the TP2 (I unsuccessfully tried). It is also much more processor intensive to use 24 bit color over the default 16 bit, as explained in this (old) MSDN article. I think the real problem is HTC using the Qualcrap MSM series processors, as they provide horrendous graphics and performance compared to competing devices.

Official Windows Mobile 6.6 in February 2010

Hi Folks,
just want to inform you about a news over at digitimes saying there will be an official Windows Mobile 6.6 next month. Maybe WM7 is delayed til 2011 due to that development.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100114PD216.html
same news on German news page:
http://winfuture.de/news,52805.html
The screenshots on the german page makes me think that WM6.6 is what the XDA community is used to called "6.5.3" (28xxx development path).
A big Thanks to the Chefs for the continuing great work!
Future

I cannot belive Microsoft with all its resources cannot launch a proper mobile system. If it weren't for the cooks on this forum we'd be stuck with 'ol boring platform. This wait for WinMo 7 is turning into 'Waiting fof Godot' - and if (and when) it finally arrives it may turn out to be a dud.
It's such a shame to have a device like HD2 with all its technical advances and no platform to properly display all its goodies.

tlerner said:
I cannot belive Microsoft with all its resources cannot launch a proper mobile system. If it weren't for the cooks on this forum we'd be stuck with 'ol boring platform. This wait for WinMo 7 is turning into 'Waiting fof Godot' - and if (and when) it finally arrives it may turn out to be a dud.
It's such a shame to have a device like HD2 with all its technical advances and no platform to properly display all its goodies.
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we should all knew Microsoft is like this..

it looks like its a slightly modified 28014, there are already lots of very good ROMS with this path so we dont really have anything to get excited about i am afraid .
I'm using GRID EVO 1.8 which is very good indeed. Incidentally, I wouldnt get too excited about windows 7 either, we may find this destroys are lowly 528 cpu, we'll probably have to wait for it to be cooked into somethign useable.

Do not have big changes.....just improvement of 6.5

Anybody has idea about which com branch is going to be WM6.6?
Mobile Office 2010 came out of beta in 23518 build. So 235xx is going to be WM6.6?

so this means that new roms will be avaliable with wm6.6? and going to be slightly faster?

Keyboard is nice otherwise I don't see anything that deserving to call it 6.6 just random updates.

I think this is to be expected, really. After playing around iphone and android, you can see every part of the system is designed very well (core, system, interface, flexibility, compatibility). I read some rumors that Microsoft have to go back to the drawing board a bit in order to make wm 7 competitive. And if they can keep improving wm 6.5 or 6.6 to be as close in performance as other systems. They can take their sweet time with wm 7, and it's probably a good thing going into 2012 and onwards.

right well hopefully it runs just as good as 6.5 or better wait for windows 7 that's gonna be something completly different.

Unbelievable... This waiting for the Windows Mobile 7 is becoming a big pain... If we didn't have chefs here at the XDA, we would be still stuck with the old platforms.
I believe that Windows 6.6 is just a slight improvement from the 6.5, but we should be happy that Windows Mobile is improving step by step... I think that in this one we have a slightly faster speed and colored "checking the boxes"...

ladieslova said:
Unbelievable... This waiting for the Windows Mobile 7 is becoming a big pain... If we didn't have chefs here at the XDA, we would be still stuck with the old platforms.
I believe that Windows 6.6 is just a slight improvement from the 6.5, but we should be happy that Windows Mobile is improving step by step... I think that in this one we have a slightly faster speed and colored "checking the boxes"...
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Well, after the Blackstone I don't think I will buy another Windows Mobile until I see what Microsoft does with it. Everything about the iPhone just shines quality and efficiency for example, compared to ours - that's not harsh. It's just a bodge in comparison. Also given that they left us with 6.1, I would have gone mad without the chefs.
My contract runs out in June...

According to Danish PC-Mag "PC World" Windows Mobile 7 will be unveiled next month at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. Hope you guys can wait that long.
Regards

just to clarify, these are still rumours.
wm6.6 is what we have previously been calling 6.5.3

Sillysod said:
Well, after the Blackstone I don't think I will buy another Windows Mobile until I see what Microsoft does with it. Everything about the iPhone just shines quality and efficiency for example, compared to ours - that's not harsh. It's just a bodge in comparison. Also given that they left us with 6.1, I would have gone mad without the chefs.
My contract runs out in June...
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oh come on thats a bit harse, whats on the iphone is very fancy the problem is there isnt a lot on it. Look, Apple from day one have had a luxury of having an OS running on spacific hardware designed to work with it, Windows mobile has essentially run on just about every configuration of hardware in the mobile market you can think of, its the same debate as the desktop market.
two different markets two different designs both very good at what they do, having a windows mobile platform running and looking like an apple is a bit too much like having your cake and eating it and expecting someone else to clean up your mess, what is unexceptable is having hardware that isnt working fully because the chipset makers wont give us the drivers (or HTC wont pay for them) thats not MS fault, MS didnt leave Touch HD users with 6.1 HTC and the networks did.

WinMo is 10 years old and showing its age... it simply can't compete any more.
The only think that keeps most users using it is not the OS itself, but some of the apps for it (Tom Tom, iGO, etc)
Clearly MS have always struggled to accept fundamentals are wrong... they like to have incremental improvements, but really don't like accepting they might have fundamental flaws.
The funtionality of WinMo is actually very good, but the UI has barely changed in the last 10 years... even less so in the last 7... very very poor. Their attempt at 'themes' was pitiful when they came out, let alone now.
MS see it as brand dilution... having someone create a new UI. Sadly, they fail to accept that if they created a high class UI, folks would be less likely to turn to SPB, or HTC to give their phone an (artificial) makeover.
I will stick with WinMo for a while though, but Android is becoming more tempting. Symbian's dead (even though it's 70% market share for open OS devices). iPhone has all the RIGHT attributes for speed and polish, but the real functionality just isn't there.

6.6...Don;t make me laugh. It's just another excuse for MS to delay WM7.
A comparison with the iphone is not fair in terms of dedicated hardware, but it is fair in terms of user experience.
The iphone just works, it's fluid, people who didn;t want or need a smartphone are jumping up and down for an iphone, sales don;t lie.
What MS is doing with WM7 has to be somthing very special indeed to get me to stick with WM and releasing a point upgrade which will change very very little from what we have access to here, is not going to cut the mustard with die hard WM fans.
WM7 has to be nothing short of groundbreaking otherwsie Smartphone manufaturers will just choose, the by then very mature and Free Android.
Logicalstep

[Q] Microsoft on the Captivate

With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?

quarlow said:
With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?
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I doubt anyone has even tried to load 6.5.3 on it. If Windows Phone 7 comes out and it doesn't suck someone may try to port it. The problem is WP7 seems to heavily favor the Qualcomm Snapdragon platform, so IDK how much luck they would have doing it.
Hopefully a very similar (like exactly) phone will be release with WP7 and we can just borrow it from there.

Not exactly WP7
but it's a launcher, fairly new (first version), needs to flatten out app drawer lag, but I use vlauncher for the apps themselves.
They need to add more features like more white text, swipe gestures, but it's called "Zune home".
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I don't see why anyone would want to downgrade such an amazing OS to windows 6.5! Not sure about wp 7, but i'm still leaning more towards android, especially 2.2.

xbox 360... that is why i want it

There will be a WP7 Samsung phone just like Captivate hardware wise. So, if you want WP7, buy that one.
WM6.xx is too slow and old. It makes zero sense to load them. It's a shame that a phone like HD2 even comes with WM6.5 and has no official way of getting to WP7.
On the other hand, it seems the slowest WP7 phones are all 1GHz and some will show up with 1.2 GHz vesion. So, it is definitely next gen of phone hardware. Captivate is outdated now

I cringed when I read the op

ah, I thought this was some kind of article put out about MS about the captivate...
People ported android to the HD2 because WM BLOWSSS

LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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ksizzle9 said:
LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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The only thing that beats us, is our bigger brother.. the Epic >_<
Sprint always getting the superphones >_>

TheTodFather said:
xbox 360... that is why i want it
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That doesn't even make sense

The epic does not beat the captivate. It runs touchwiz 2.5 since 3.0 does not support landscape. The epic is missing tons of features due to this. My evo with snapdragon runs just as good as my captivate with the lag fix and even faster then the captivate without lag fix. The captivate cpu is a little faster but android is optimized for the snapdragon cpu. Especially 2.2.

I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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tytdfn said:
That doesn't even make sense
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He meant Live intergration, which looks cool. Live arcade marketplace is awesome. Also WP7 will have Netflix streaming which I want. Zune pass is also awesome. If they steal the kin feature to stream it over 3G that will be nice.
Also the epic has more features but it is also bigger, thicker and heavier.

I have not researched this keis thing much. But as far as winmo reading a word doc or be able to sync outlook easily would be all that I think would be useful. which just made me think I wonder if Office mobile itself would be a possibility to run on the captivate. I don't think you really need or want the whole winmo platform. Do you??

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My friend, if you're looking for a WinMo phone with Captivate-like specs, get the HD2.
Personally, I would love to see a port on the Captivate, but its highly unlikely considering how widely hated WinMo is.

quarlow said:
I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
If I were Apple and Google I would be very depressed with WP7 because MS has commitetd to it and that means lots of resources will be thrown at it. I read that MS is going to spend 500M on advertising this year for WP7. They have also decided to open a Game Studio for WP7 like they did for Xbox with Halo.
Anyway, they also have the most recognizable name in consumer and corporate software. Combining that with the backend services they have like Zune and Live, it will be very hard for Apple and Google to keep innovating at a rate that can compete with MS, especially over the next couple of years. Mobile Phones turn over twice as fast as PCs so saying anyone is late to the party doesn't make sense especially when they still have the third highest market share and they have been on auto-pilot for years.
If you think that WP7 will lack these basic features for long you are sadly mistaken, after rolling up kin by killing it the team is probably stronger than ever.
Just my 0.02.

Bjd223 said:
They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
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Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx

8525Smart said:
Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx
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I agree that other companies in the space have a lot of money too, but none of them even come close to the R&D budget of MS. It is rediculous that they spend Billions a year on R&D.
Also Microsoft is not afraid to loose money on something just to get its name out there. Xbox 360 is a blackhole of money, about 1.4 Billion worth lost to the RROD alone. I am sorry but if Apple or Google lost 1.4 Billion on anything they would not keep going. Either out of lack of resources or common sense would kick in and they would stop.
To MS it is advertising in the next generation. They will just keep loosing money because it allows them to develope frameworks and other services that will eventually start paying them back on later generations of the devices.

Buy now or wait???

My upgrade is coming up in January but i want the Vibrant so badly that i think imma treat myself and pay full price for it, coz my current phone (omnia 2) is a so ****ty.
But reading all these lag/gps threads has put some second thoughts in my head and thinking of holding off and just upgrading in January and save a bit of cash as well or maybe even the torch.
What are your thoughts wait it out and see if samsung fixes the issues and not be out $500 or its worth buying now because the lag fixes fix everything and gps is not so bad?

if you need a new phone now, buy it
the problems you read are exaggerated as usual.
been using it for over a month using stock ROMs every feature works and no lags
GPS is a must thing for me, and it works as soon as i turn it on within 5~10sec
if you don't need a phone now
then wait for better phones coming out next year

well i don't want another phone and i think the vibrant is very nice better then my freezing and laggy omnia.

Get the vibrant now and save your upgrade for the next best thing next year. At $520 tax in its a steal now that you can unlock it for free.

My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.

andrewluecke said:
My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.
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thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?

jebise101 said:
thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?
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Any of the new HTC phones, including the Desire HD. They admittedly have the now infamous 1Ghz snapdragon but theres a good possibility they are paired with an Adreno 205 (which has a graphics chipset based on Power VR SGX 535). That would give the HTC phones equal performance considering froyo + will be better optimised for snapdragon processors.
Graphics performance is not as good as the galaxy s chipset but good enough.
HTC's in general I've found are better built but now were encroaching on personal preference territory. This may be simply because HTC have had more time to perfect android or just Ive had a more solid experience with HTC android phones.
rest assured there will be a whole flood of non-samsung androids come christmas so perhaps hold off till end of September and pick the best price/feature phone at that time. More exciting is the prospect of google tv, greater adoption and connection of android devices.
p.s. theres also windows mobile and its host of offerings.

In regards to Windows Mobile, unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have joined the party much too late (which is a pity actually). I don't believe WM7 will survive, because Blackberry owns the corporate market, Apple owns the home market, Symbian/custom OS's owns the cheaper smartphone market and Android owns the technical market (although, it is now accelerating it's growth).
Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
Yep, and the Nexus One wasn't perfect either:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/186399/google_faces_deluge_of_nexus_one_complaints.html . Remember that? And now, people LOVE the nexus one.
The main issue seems to be GPS though on this phone, as people who oppose the lag found switching to EXT fixes their issue.. But GPS, there was no known solution. So whilst there may be similar phones released in september, I forgot to mention you should either wait to see what GPS does, or wait a while before grabbing another phone (because they might have other serious issues on release).
But be cautious about claims made in forums, and wait until you see proof (even here). One idiot who owned a Sony Ericson blog claimed with authority that this phone definitely had 360MB RAM (rather than the full 512), I see people constantly grab quadrant and take note of every 0.5%-1% increase in score they see and try to correlate them to speed of the ROM (because 1% increase in quadrant would be visibly noticeable?) and I've seen people claim that because NMEA sends dodgy packets, the problem is DEFINITELY hardware, without checking if the drivers, or the device is sending them.
Make sure you wait for sufficient evidence. If the GPS DOES get fixed though, and tracking software consistently shows accurate tracks (when sitting down and moving), I'd personally recommend selecting this phone, because unlike the current competing devices, it has good hardware (even a proper multitouch controller), and we mostly know it's problems and limitations now.

andrewluecke said:
Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
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Even the HTC Desired have (had) the problem with the proximity sensor, good thing our great team at XDA made a hack to fix that.
unfortunately or fortunately depending how you look at it, iphone people are not as free to do as they please with their phones.
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Buy it
This Phone is SWEET.
sending a playlist to my windows 7 computer, which connects to my stereo with an outdoor speaker, while sitting outside drinking wine and smoking a cigar. Priceless.
This phone Rocks. buy one, hell buy two lol.

I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.

Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?

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Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?
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Not in public please!
OP - Mine was delivered yesterday - I'd say buy one. It's awesome!

I'd definitely recommend waiting, but not because of the lag/gps ; Gingerbread should allow for some awesome phones come this holiday season(mainly phones with a higher res).

azgull said:
I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.
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Also figured I'd mention that coming from AMOLED; I don't think I'd able to downgrade that. The washed out blacks are so dreadful. Super AMOLED promising even better contrasts (and actually working in sunlight) can only be a winner. I did consider waiting for Desire HD, but choose not to, purely because of the screen.

What do you guys think are the chances of i9000 getting gingerbread ???
Samsung said official 2.2 will be around september, and 3.0 will be launched around mid-october , so maybe we will have 3.0 for i9000 around february
Desire HD will launch around mid-september , it will come with 2.2, and will probably get 3.0 in december - january

Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while

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Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while
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StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.

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Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.
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Did Google say that, or was it rumored

Hi there,
i have my Galaxy S for about 2 Weeks and i am happy with it.
The Display is very clear (even with an lower resolution than the IP4).
No jailbreaking or something else to get some stuff working on this nice phone.
Nice functions and a good UI.
Great phone!
...only GPS sucks a little bit, but i hope this will be fixed
Greetings
DerRaven