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Why Opera?

I have Opera on my Kaiser. 26 days to go for free.
But I have problems being motivated to buy the version.
Anybody an opinion?
Have no problems with IE till now. But maybe I am missing some important features.
Huib

Have you tried "Opera Mini" ?
If not, try it, you will never go back to IE
It is super fast, very compact, and works, also with that neat zoom/unzoom!.
Again, the browsing and rendering speed of Opera Mini is superb.

Drag and scroll.
Highlight and copy text
Save images
Successfully renders web pages more frequently than does the IE - IMHO

herpi said:
I have Opera on my Kaiser. 26 days to go for free.
But I have problems being motivated to buy the version.
Anybody an opinion?
Have no problems with IE till now. But maybe I am missing some important features.
Huib
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Try scrolling down a long page with PIE and you will know why Opera Mini is better. PIE almost grinds to a halt after the first screen or two has scrolled up.
EDIT: Update to above entry. PIE now has a fix for scrolling issue - downloadable here: IE Slow Scroll Fix for Kaiser_Tilt.cab
Mike

mikechannon said:
Try scrolling down a long page with PIE and you will know why Opera Mini is better. PIE almost grinds to a halt after the first screen or two has scrolled up.
Mike
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Gotcha!
Tested them both with a longer page and the difference is clear.
Thanks for your input.
Huib

Hi!
can Opera-mini and other apps be run from the memory card satisfactorily?
i.e are they slower?
I wonder if my other applications such as Resco Explorer 2007 and Code Wallter can be run from the card too?
Ofiaich

Don't take what I say as gospel but when I had Opera installed on the SD card it didn't function completely correct - like didn't follow email links correctly along with a couple of other glitches etc.
Likewise I have always been a bit hesitant to install things that operate so cloely with the OS, like Resco Explorer, to the card. They have always seemd to work much better on the main memory. Just my opinion.
Thus I have Opera mini and Resco Explorer installed on the main memory while just about everything else I have on the SD card.

jcrompton!
Thanks very much! Sounds good to me, and I have space in the main memory!
I will get on and download Opera mini !
Ofiaich

Opera Can Handle Regular Youtube!
Please Dont quote me on this, but if i am correct, Opera (paid version, not mini) can render many types of complicated flash websites including Youtube(Yes the regular one not youtube mobile). I say this because i tested it for myself, a while ago on my mda vario or vario 2 (sorry cant remember). What seemed to be a slight problem though was, it ran out of memory frequently (ram) and as such the program would not start if other applications were running in the background.
Opera users on WM6, your reviews and thoughts on this are much appreciated!

gogol;1566087 said:
Have you tried "Opera Mini" ?
If not, try it, you will never go back to IE
It is super fast, very compact, and works, also with that neat zoom/unzoom!.
Again, the browsing and rendering speed of Opera Mini is superb.
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Do you mean Opera mini or Opera mobile?
looks like mini is for phones not pocket pc's
??

jcrompton said:
Do you mean Opera mini or Opera mobile?
looks like mini is for phones not pocket pc's
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I have Opera Mobile... Are ppl actually saying to try Opera Mini? I will if thats the case.. But it's made for phones not WM6 devices.
JB

opera mini? that's a java midlet. why wouldn't it work on the kaiser?

gogol said:
Have you tried "Opera Mini" ?
If not, try it, you will never go back to IE
It is super fast, very compact, and works, also with that neat zoom/unzoom!.
Again, the browsing and rendering speed of Opera Mini is superb.
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OK - so I just figured out how to get Opera Mini work via the Java app under programs -- have you been able to get email links and other http links to automatically be opened by Opera Mini - I made some registry changes to get Opera Mobile to be the default browser, can you get Opera Mini to do that ? (wasn't sure since it is buried as a Java program)

stryker1355 said:
Please Dont quote me on this, but if i am correct, Opera (paid version, not mini) can render many types of complicated flash websites including Youtube(Yes the regular one not youtube mobile).
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Well you asked for it. I am going to have to quote you. Youtube does not work on my 8925 in Opera, neither the moble specific version (says media file type not supported) nor the full youtube site. Ugh.

I agree that you wouldn't really want to use Opera Mini on the Kaiser....Opera Mobile though is the bomb! I just wish it was free like the Mini version is, but it's good enough to pay for anyway. PIE just is not very good at rendering most webpages.

opera is very good browser but the built in pie some times show websites better than opera example http:\\www.xda-developers.com

maryjos said:
I agree that you wouldn't really want to use Opera Mini on the Kaiser....
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I don't agree , it's superbly fast, it's free and it has good viewing settings. For straightforward surfing it's fine. I say give it a try you may be surprised.
Mike

Does opera support flash videos?

mikechannon said:
I don't agree , it's superbly fast, it's free and it has good viewing settings. For straightforward surfing it's fine. I say give it a try you may be surprised.
Mike
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Are you able to "auto" load links like from an email

swamp2 said:
Well you asked for it. I am going to have to quote you. Youtube does not work on my 8925 in Opera, neither the moble specific version (says media file type not supported) nor the full youtube site. Ugh.
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I just hit YouTube with Opera on mine and any 'watch now' links open the video for streaming in WMP. Is that normal?

Touch screen web browser

There is something about me that doesn't like using Internet Explorer. On my phone (Sony Ericsson K850i) I use the Opera Mini 4 Beta browser and love the way that it renders sites and you can zoom in and out etc...
I installed Opera Mobile on my HTC hoping that it would be exactly the same as mini but I was very disappointed Not only does it not have the text for the soft keys but it doesn't accept touch screen inputs for pressing links and text boxes. Also you don't have the zoom in/out function so you have to see a fully rendered screen or and "everything on one column" rendering that cripples the content.
Is there a decent browser for Windows Mobile? What I am looking for is something that works exactly like Opera Mini but with more compatibility with flash etc...
Any ideas?
At the least I would like to be able to install Opera mini but it comes as a .jad file (Java Midlet?). Is there any way of installing these as my Kaiser doesn't know what to do with the file atm.
Thanks for any help
Oliver

There must be someone out there who uses a browser that they're happy with?
Is there a version of Opera that works with the touch screen?
Thanks

You don't have Java on your phone? Opera mini is free and it is a Java Midlet so you could try and see how you like it without spending any money. There is another free browser that I have called Minimo.
LINK to direct CAB download-- http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
It isint the perfect browser either but it does alot of what Opera does and lets you set it with preferences too. Give it a shot and see what you think. Don't like it just remove. I will look on my phone to see if I can extract the Java .exe for you.

I use netfront 3.3 its got better functions than PIE and its back and forward functions using your D-pad is very usefull. as for opera if you want it to scroll like opera mini just enable touch and grab on opera v8.65. it will select links as opera mini does it just wont zoom in like opera mini

Ceck out the articles at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Web Browsing, browsers

picsel browseris my fav. look around enough and you'll find it

Thanks for the replies!
I'll definitely have a look round for the browsers you mentioned.
I would much appreciate it if you could provide a Java app to enable Java on my phone too
BTW, I'm using Schap's latest ROM if that helps.

Im a bit confused here about the op. Am I the only person that has a copy of Opera Mobile that does everything that the op said it doesn,t do? Which version of Opera mobile did you try? I use O.M on my kaiser and everything you said it doesnt do, mine does.. Ive got touchscreen interactivity aswell as touch scrolling, i can zoom in and out, 3 can resize the screen format to desk top,just fit and one column. Im runing Opera mobile 8.65 for Windows Mobile Pocket PC. By anychance did you accidentily download the smartphone version?

As above - op must have downloaded opera instead of opera-mini...
I'm posting using o-m and must say it's one of the best if not best browser for the wm platform

WOW!
Just installed Picsel and I love it.
The GUI is a bit dodgy but that's cos it's designed for the clie but I love everything else.
Thanks
(Bit of an effort to find a download though)

Ah, I downloaded the Smartphone version. That's prob why I don't have the touch screen thingy.
BTW Subliminal, there is a difference between Opera Mini and Opera Mobile. Opera Mini is what I have on my Sony Ericsson k850i and I would have thought that Opera Mobile worked similarly. It does all the same things but not as smoothly as Opera Mini.
Opera Mini is for Java based phone apps. Opera Mobile is for WM platform.

Opera Mobile has more functions (I think?)
but one main difference is that Opera Mini is free whereas opera mobile isn't.
A direct shortcut can be created to launch opera mini without the need to load the java midlet first. A quick hex edit can skip the connection permissions and another quick tinker can allow direct links from emails to open in opera mini. Sounds more work than it is.

Ive just been checking out the Netfront v3.4 technical preview
https://www.access.co.jp/english/nfppc/agree_34.html
its alot better than v3.3 and has some very nice features. its got a similar zoom feature to opera mini4 its a scroll and zoom. plus the visual bookmark is nice also. I cant wait for it to go to retail I will be getting it. opera9 will be ready soon also but ive not seen a preview of it yet. from what ive read though its also going to be alot better than v8.65 and incorperate feature of mini opera4 like the page zooming

I've just downloaded opera mini 4 and have installed it onto my phone.
I have one querey.......
when I was instaling it and when I first used it, it say
this program is connecting to .......port 1080...... requires airtime..... you maybe chaged.....
does this mean my phone isn't using the wifi connection when im running opera mini 4?

picsel browser???
here is the link for picselbrowser i just keep on posting it and be quick if you want it
posted it at rapidshare 4 times allready and it keeps getting removed somehow lol
http://rapidshare.com/files/73569495/Picsel_Browser.cab.html

dolbe said:
Ive just been checking out the Netfront v3.4 technical preview
https://www.access.co.jp/english/nfppc/agree_34.html
its alot better than v3.3 and has some very nice features. its got a similar zoom feature to opera mini4 its a scroll and zoom. plus the visual bookmark is nice also. I cant wait for it to go to retail I will be getting it. opera9 will be ready soon also but ive not seen a preview of it yet. from what ive read though its also going to be alot better than v8.65 and incorperate feature of mini opera4 like the page zooming
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I'm also using netfront 3.4 since a little time. Very, very nice !
but... I can't use it with a wifi or USB connection (error : TCP connect...) ... Answer acces.co about that but no technical support on this version ;-(

MonteCristoffOn said:
I'm also using netfront 3.4 since a little time. Very, very nice !
but... I can't use it with a wifi or USB connection (error : TCP connect...) ... Answer acces.co about that but no technical support on this version ;-(
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It must be something to do with your settings, Ive just tried it with usb and wifi and both connect fine. Infact it connects quicker with usb than it did with v3.3.

dolbe said:
It must be something to do with your settings, Ive just tried it with usb and wifi and both connect fine. Infact it connects quicker with usb than it did with v3.3.
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Mmmm... don't reach the solution ;-( , even after modifying the browser settings. Always the same message...
"Cannot load page. Check that you are properly connected to the network. Type : TCP connect"
dolbe, can you give me your settings for this great browser ?

MS DeepFish is the best browser I've seen yet. It's in Beta for now though and has limitations. It's similar to Iphone's Safari - which is great.

Opera Mobile 9 will support zooming, just like Opera Mini. I asked Opera for a release date, but they won't say anything. It's supposed to be released "soon".

Skyfire new beta AMAZING

Just installed it on my Diamond. Lightning fast. Never saw such a performance with Flash on a mobile. Forget everything else.
Think one reason why it's so fast: the Proxy sends only ONE file containing all subfiles of a web page.
Should be standard browser on the cooked roms

Skyfire... OK!
I agree, it is pretty good. The only thing I find is the screen isn't as sharp as Opera - an the virtual scroll wheel doesn't work in Skyfire to zoom in and out... a feature I just can't live without!

and where we can get this skyfire?????????

intel286 said:
and where we can get this skyfire?????????
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get.skyfire.com

I have BIG privacyissues with skyfire's proxy.
Read the terms.

mttcee said:
Just installed it on my Diamond. Lightning fast. Never saw such a performance with Flash on a mobile. Forget everything else.
Think one reason why it's so fast: the Proxy sends only ONE file containing all subfiles of a web page.
Should be standard browser on the cooked roms
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Do u mean skyfire's proxy ??
Is that means all my data should pass threw skyfire's proxy ? , If yes it's lame and risky by getting in the future Advertizing and lets don't talk about passwords etc..

Skyfire works the same way as Opera Mini. All web traffic is processed in a central location, compressed, and then sent to your phone.
You should never conduct confidential business over either of these browsers. But it's just dynamite for flash content!

Hi,
i could download skyfire only with the mobile IE. The default OPERA doesn't work with the site http://get.skyfire.com
And it doesn't work, it hangs at the "locating" message...
CU, dc7os

dc7os said:
Hi,
i could download skyfire only with the mobile IE. The default OPERA doesn't work with the site http://get.skyfire.com
And it doesn't work, it hangs at the "locating" message...
CU, dc7os
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Have the same problem.... but hangs on 'Connecting..."
/Pape
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NotATreoFan said:
Skyfire works the same way as Opera Mini. All web traffic is processed in a central location, compressed, and then sent to your phone.
You should never conduct confidential business over either of these browsers. But it's just dynamite for flash content!
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OH RLY??? nice tip!

grahamkdt said:
I agree, it is pretty good. The only thing I find is the screen isn't as sharp as Opera - an the virtual scroll wheel doesn't work in Skyfire to zoom in and out... a feature I just can't live without!
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I totally agree, in fact I'd say the image quality is absolute rubbish, it's like using some old WM5 application. Hope this is corrected in future releases.
Does also feel very beta as well but it is a beta anyway lol.
Is good to see BBC iplayer working though
Can't wait for future release

non us
glad to see i can now try this....fingers crossed
will try when i get home now

Mozilla Fennec on WM

Hello
As far as I know,that Mozilla Fennec is nowadays available only for desktop emulated or Linux Nokia N810 version.
Now,I have read this new...
http://www.msmobilenews.com/windows...refox-named-fennec-and-released-in-alpha.html
You can see the screenshot up-right taken from WM device(seems to be as our,depending on scheme).
So my question is:
How can we start it under Windows Mobile? I didn't found any WM installation.

if you ever find out please pm me.

On the wiki of the mozilla website, it looks like the release is somewhere next week. link.

i read about it. It has to release in a week.

Here is an article you can read:
http://www.wmexperts.com/firefox-mobile-may-be-touch-pro-next-week
They are targeting an Alpha release in the first week of Feb. I can't wait to try it out.
Ask of now, there are no offical downloads, yet.

Another article:
http://i.gizmodo.com/5140839/firefox-mobile-headed-for-windows-mobile-as-early-as-next-week

i understand the hype about it and everything,
but you know skyfire is based of firefox's source code right?
i dont know how much dif it will be

thoughtlesskyle said:
i understand the hype about it and everything,
but you know skyfire is based of firefox's source code right?
i dont know how much dif it will be
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Skyfire is a SERVER application; a server processes websites and returns data to your phone via the client application. Your phone never directly browses websites, everything goes through Skyfire servers. This is similar to how Opera Mini works.
Fennec is a true client browser, like Opera Mobile, IE, NetFront.
In otherwords, Fennec and Skyfire are completely different.

oh ok, i did see it has tabbed browsing does anybody know if it will have flash?

thoughtlesskyle said:
oh ok, i did see it has tabbed browsing does anybody know if it will have flash?
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I dont see anything thats says it supports flash. I would imagine that if it did support flash it would be made very clear as it would be a great "selling point"

New Skyfire build
In the mean time: there is a new Skyfire build 81xx which now seems to is realy VGA compatible. Yust brose with IE to get.skyfire.com, chose touch based wm 6 and off you go. Have fun, screen looks much better now.

jsmith8858 said:
Skyfire is a SERVER application; a server processes websites and returns data to your phone via the client application. Your phone never directly browses websites, everything goes through Skyfire servers. This is similar to how Opera Mini works.
Fennec is a true client browser, like Opera Mobile, IE, NetFront.
In otherwords, Fennec and Skyfire are completely different.
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Isn't Opera a Server app as well?
I thought the only browsers that contacted the websites directly was IE and NetFront.

here's more recent leaked shots: http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=1737
The pre-release version does not run well at all...

Comsat said:
In the mean time: there is a new Skyfire build 81xx which now seems to is realy VGA compatible. Yust brose with IE to get.skyfire.com, chose touch based wm 6 and off you go. Have fun, screen looks much better now.
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Cant find this... True VGA?

just go to skyfire.com with IE and download it from the screen that comes up, i wish i would have told me there was a new version availible

exactly, they claim that you get a new menu item if there is an update, never seen it though.
Runs quite nice, true flash support including youtube direct play. Just a litle bit slower as Opera mini.
For me the third browser when you realy need flash support.

thoughtlesskyle said:
just go to skyfire.com with IE and download it from the screen that comes up, i wish i would have told me there was a new version availible
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Is there a new skyfire that supports VGA? I went on the site but doesn't show the version..

I have read about pre-release build of Fennec,but experiences are very bad for now. We will see next week,how it will be. I want to try Skyfire as well,but it is available only for US as my informations are. Or is it working in EU as well?

It is available in EU to, just go to "get.skyfire.com" and download the WM 6 version. Go there with IE as you need a WAP browser.

Yes, the pre release of fennec sucks...

Anyone Try Out Iris Browser?

Looks pretty cool. I'm downloading now.
http://on10.net/blogs/sarahintampa/Iris-A-New-Browser-for-Windows-Mobile-Emerges-from-Beta/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpX5JZWtu-g
http://www.irisbrowser.com/download/
The Iris Browser is a new, Webkit-based web browser for Windows Mobile devices running versions 5 or 6(+). The company recently released an updated version (Iris Browser 1.1.0) which is a very different piece of software than the one that was being used by beta testers. In the latest update, the company says they’ve merged a year’s worth of WebKit development into the browser while also re-auditing all their work, addressing performance issues, and making the browser capable of viewing almost any website on the net.
Most notably to end users, the refreshed browser now provides Flash support by way of a plugin that converts the Flash Lite ActiveX control into an Iris Browser plugin. The end result is that when you browse to Flash-enabled pages, you will see a black image with a play button which you can click to optionally see the Flash content.
The new Iris browser is highly compliant, too, scoring a 100/100 on Acid3 with only a couple of minor rendering glitches. Those glitches are related to fonts, where they deliberately cut some corners for better performance. Iris is also highly compatible with iPhone websites, the company reports.
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Hey pretty good! I'm just apparently having some trouble to click on certain links that don't respond, and can't get flash videos to work, but the rest works impressively well!

Nice....
Looks Really nice,
Going to try it soon.

iris browser suck balls just do skyfire. theres no waiting list now and the new upgrades are awesome. browser includes flash content.......lemme repeat includes flash content!! lol free flowing youtube and myspace if u into that

zubi said:
Looks Really nice,
Going to try it soon.
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For flash support, install the official Flash player 3.1 to your device, (not memory card), and unzip the attached file (NPFL3ppc.dll) to \Program Files\Iris Browser\Plugins Flash should now work in Iris Browser.

toastman74 said:
iris browser suck balls just do skyfire.
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Well sorry but to me it's skyfire that "sucks balls"....
For comparable "speedy" browsing I much prefer Opera Mini, now as sometimes a "full" browser with local rendering is needed I was still looking for one and it seems Iris does the job.
And it's also supposed to supplrt flash if you read above. I didn't manage to get it wirking with those instructions though... not that I care much actually.

a little help
apparently, i am a moron. the download is not in cab format, and i do not know how to install it. i did not see any instruction on their site.

k-semler said:
For flash support, install the official Flash player 3.1 to your device, (not memory card), and unzip the attached file (NPFL3ppc.dll) to \Program Files\Iris Browser\Plugins Flash should now work in Iris Browser.
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Didn't work for me. Trying to play a video at YouTube, I get an "could not create ActiveX object" error.
Where did you get the Official Flash 3.1? I installed the redistributable developer flash from the Adobe site.

kilrah said:
Well sorry but to me it's skyfire that "sucks balls"....
For comparable "speedy" browsing I much prefer Opera Mini, now as sometimes a "full" browser with local rendering is needed I was still looking for one and it seems Iris does the job.
And it's also supposed to supplrt flash if you read above. I didn't manage to get it wirking with those instructions though... not that I care much actually.
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I'm so supprised more peeps don't use Mini as defacto browser as it's so fast, also keeps my data costs down, there is times i use fully fledged browser but Mobile does the trick.
Have found evey iris release slow to render page and then even when rendered "or so you think" you move the page down and get grey squares, just like Skyfire.
Just my opinion.

Yea for me Mini does 95% of the job, but I have a couple of sites I visit that don't appreciate the whole going through a 3rd party server thing. I ditched Mobile as the full-fledged alternative because all the versions I tried had very annoying bugs (from SIP bugs to Mobile switching the phone to reverse landscape when quitting it if i had been using it in landscape mode for example). That iris version seems to be a bit faster rendering too.

dont get me wrong opera mini is my main browser built in but for tubin' and myspace theres nothin better than skyfire.

I just installed 1.1.3 and this thing is *AMAZING*
Best browser I've ever used on windows mobile.
Stuff just looks ... *right*
I'm so happy winmo is finally get a browser to rival Safari. THIS IS IT.

Personally, i don't think it is great ...there are alot of bugs and the biggest one for me is the HUGE memory consumption and ungracefull UI. People Like opera becaus you have a full screen to work with... and this right now is not cutting it for me.
I'll watch its progress i guess, its not quite "up to speed" for me yet....

joel2009 said:
Personally, i don't think it is great ...there are alot of bugs and the biggest one for me is the HUGE memory consumption and ungracefull UI. People Like opera becaus you have a full screen to work with... and this right now is not cutting it for me.
I'll watch its progress i guess, its not quite "up to speed" for me yet....
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I completely agree...although I must say this version is much better the previous, much less buggy, even though there are still some bugs. and the UI could have been a bit more pleasent...I will stick with Skyfire

Adobe Flash Lite 3.1 Distributable Player
k-semler said:
For flash support, install the official Flash player 3.1 to your device, (not memory card), and unzip the attached file (NPFL3ppc.dll) to \Program Files\Iris Browser\Plugins Flash should now work in Iris Browser.
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I thought I'd include this here so it would be more convenient to grab this and the dll at the same time.
oops.. repost; attached dll.

how was it if compared with NetFront... i'm using NetFront for browsing...
the other i have tried is opera and skyfire... i'm still prefer using the NetFront

kusha said:
how was it if compared with NetFront... i'm using NetFront for browsing...
the other i have tried is opera and skyfire... i'm still prefer using the NetFront
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hmm... haven't tried NetFront; haven't even heard of it up until you mentioned it... does it have OOB flash support? i've tried opera and skyfire, and the new version of IE shipping with wm6.1/wm6.5... so far, Iris seems to be the best browser for me... features like g-sensor (accelerometer) support, touch wheel (HTC Diamond/Touch Pro devices) support, mouse emulation, etc.. really make it the best choice for me.

anyone
Has anyone got iris browser 2.0(latest) version? Torch mobile is no longer there. RIM has taken over and it is no longer available for download. I am using 1.1.9 at the moment.
If anyone has it please post it.