There is a PXA272 device with WM2005! - PDA2, XDA IIi, 2020i General

Hi there!
I keep reading in this forum that there will never be a WM5 version for the Alpine because there is no WM5 version available for the Alpine's processor.
The AnexTEK moboDA 3360 however uses the same PXA272 520 Mhz. processor the Alpine does. So that's not really true then?
Kind regards,
Piet

...I read in the past some threads,but I don't remember if it is only a CPU issue, otherwise let's extract the rom and install in our ppc...it has very similar technical specifications

worksofart said:
...I read in the past some threads,but I don't remember if it is only a CPU issue, otherwise let's extract the rom and install in our ppc...it has very similar technical specifications
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I have found a WM5 rom, but it is for HP, which have almost the same processor.. I have post the link in this tread;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2796499&postcount=261
We should ask Himalya forum for help, because they have experience in extracting and cooking stuff.

Use the Universal as a base rom (same chipset) and import drivers from himalaya for the equal specs (display, audio-circuit) could solve this... or am I that dumb? The different RAM / ROM structure aint an issue, it can easily be fixed. (there are ROMs that support 128 RAM + 128 ROM for Universal too)

I think soon we'll triumph! I hope))
And what if some drivers won't be suitable for Alpine?

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Processor question help

Hi this may be stupid but waht processor is in my xda2i says intel(R) PXA272 but is that ARM MIPS SH3 Xsacle or what i want to download some software but dont know which to chosse.
Just a s a side line how do i upgrade the radio version but noting else?
thanks in advanced
It's an Arm/XScale processor.
Either of which will work.
Cheers pug,
What about the radio, i have installed your cooked rom but XDA crashed every 10 20 minutes maybe some other crap i had on it. so have gone back to 02's with corporate setup,
But would like your radio though, any thoughts. on how to do it.
I tried useing the special rom from this site but it wont even see he usb conection.
X
Download any of the ROMs I have posted and unzip them with Winrar.
Delete MS.NBF and NK_.NBF and run MAUpgrade_noid.EXE
This will install just the radio ROM.
Concerning the ROMs I posted, I and many others have noticed a huge increase in system stability. To be honest all I have done is removed O2 Active to stop it being installed which is all a corporate install does anyway, well this and the Java music player.
Hope this helped anyway, good luck.
Cheers pug
i will give it a try.

WM6 BA - Will it be leaked, will it be made from scratch, and will it be stable?

Is this ROM ever going to be leaked from microsoft (i presume this was how wm5 be started)?
Porting seems to be very unstable from what I have heard
A WM5 rom was never released by microsoft, although it was known to exist. It's highly unlikely MS will create a WM6 dev rom for the BA at all.
Remember, the BA originally shipped with WM2003SE. WM5 was a struggle to get working, WM6 should (by an unwritten law) be unable to run on the BA. But there are some gods out there so you never know.
Many drivers in WM6 are almost exactly the same as WM5 AFAIK. Drivers are normally the big problem, so if you have good drivers for the BA, then it's a possibility.... but don't hold your breath.
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So was wm5 BA never really created by microsoft?
In that case, who did create it? Did someone do it from scratch?
If they did, why can't they do it in crossbow (wm6 Blue Angel)?
I think it's a bastard son of a Wizard leak.
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hardingt0110 :
You still didn't read the wiki and the older threads as I told you few weeks ago
But Microsoft is the one who makes OS (WM5, WM2003SE,WM2003,...).
O2, Vodafone, T-Mobile, Cingular... are the ones who adapt WMx to devices.
WM5 for BA has been ported from different (but very similar) device that already comes with WM5 by xda-developers.
You cant buy it (WM6), even if you want So be patient
Biohead said:
A WM5 rom was never released by microsoft, although it was known to exist. It's highly unlikely MS will create a WM6 dev rom for the BA at all.
Remember, the BA originally shipped with WM2003SE. WM5 was a struggle to get working, WM6 should (by an unwritten law) be unable to run on the BA. But there are some gods out there so you never know.
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The Roms never released for devices by microsoft, the producers use and adapt roms for him devices.
If HTC use Wm6 rom for him devices and Reproduce or advance BA to the WM6 or similar device then we can see WM6.
Other side If anybody can write or adapt device drivers that can be... Core software hasn't any driver i think. May be someone can syncronise Wm6 shell and BA (or resemble device) Wm5 drivers
And may be work
what a dream huh...
BA WM5 base rom is genuine created for BA, and just the OS (with AKU's and stuff) part was aded to this rom ported from another device.This base rom was leaked by one of the operators
I suppose that the needed kernel would be created by someone somehow someday, because basically Microsoft creates the new ROM, gives it to the manufacturers, then the manus will try to adapt the ROM to their devices.
As I saw somewhere on the net saying the ROM can be adapted and flashed to any device, as long as the manus manage to write the necessary drivers.v.v...those kinds of stuff. It sounds logical to me. What do you guys think 'bout this?
nht_max, that's what I thought as well but I never said anything, bowing to those who know more about these things. IMHO it is not needed to recompile the kernel unless it's for a new architecture. Proved the correct drivers can be located and they are compatible with WM6, then it should just work.
Recompiling may be necessary, I think because the new ROM is much different from the old WM5. Though I believe it'll be available some nice day.
Crossbow
nht_max said:
Recompiling may be necessary, I think because the new ROM is much different from the old WM5. Though I believe it'll be available some nice day.
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You may be right about this, i have ported the OS part to BA rom without any changes in XIP section of rom (old core 5.1.195) and the device with this rom does not boot at all, so if the original core 5.2.x is ported to a BA rom it will work correctly, almost all OS files are related to the WM core, and if a function that they seek is not where it should be unpredicted crashes may occure.
But i think we should wait a lil more before try experiments like this, we have no any documentation about WM6, we don't know how the things work inside, it is similar to WM5 but defenately not the same. We must learn how it works and then port it and modify it to our own taste.
Also the leaked roms are from early beta stage, so they are not so stable and usable as the final version.We should wait a bit for the first official rom and build something stable enough from it for common usage. And i am not talking about BA here i am talking about rom cooking for all devices.
xplode said:
You may be right about this, i have ported the OS part to BA rom without any changes in XIP section of rom (old core 5.1.195) and the device with this rom does not boot at all, so if the original core 5.2.x is ported to a BA rom it will work correctly, almost all OS files are related to the WM core, and if a function that they seek is not where it should be unpredicted crashes may occure.
But i think we should wait a lil more before try experiments like this, we have no any documentation about WM6, we don't know how the things work inside, it is similar to WM5 but defenately not the same. We must learn how it works and then port it and modify it to our own taste.
Also the leaked roms are from early beta stage, so they are not so stable and usable as the final version.We should wait a bit for the first official rom and build something stable enough from it for common usage. And i am not talking about BA here i am talking about rom cooking for all devices.
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Hi,
have u changed coredll.dll in xip boot?
the devices not boot in same mode if u try aku 3.5 and have coredll.dll of aku 3.2
@Tuatara,
please help me for relocating more space in xip boot
of course not, AKU 3.5 runs fine with the old core without problems, but for crossbow the coredll should be changed in order to work, the thing is that it is bigger than the old core.
I have no knowledge of editing XIP, thats why i am stuck at this point, but i have read here on the forums that the coredll.dll can be changed with one with the exact same size, and the crossbow one is bigger.
xplode said:
of course not, AKU 3.5 runs fine with the old core without problems, but for crossbow the coredll should be changed in order to work, the thing is that it is bigger than the old core.
I have no knowledge of editing XIP, thats why i am stuck at this point, but i have read here on the forums that the coredll.dll can be changed with one with the exact same size, and the crossbow one is bigger.
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I have tried to run aku 3.5 with coredll.dll for aku 3.2 (not 3.3) and not working....(but perhaps I mistake method)
I know that there is a way in order to increase and relocate the files in xip with dumpromx but I do not know if it works for the modules (old post Tuatara on xda)
and however I have read that it must edit vdata and pdata in the modules for the just address (oki and sp3dev on buzzdev)
but sp3dev and oki not working on blu devices only tuatara have necessary experience on blu devices and I believe can help
xplode said:
Recompiling may be necessary, I think because the new ROM is much different from the old WM5.
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You may be right about this, i have ported the OS part to BA rom without any changes in XIP section of rom (old core 5.1.195) and the device with this rom does not boot at all, so if the original core 5.2.x is ported to a BA rom it will work correctly, almost all OS files are related to the WM core, and if a function that they seek is not where it should be unpredicted crashes may occure.
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I don't understand this. Recompiling is only required for a different architecture in my experience, but I've not done much with this platform myself. Is it linking in specific BA drivers or something?
Also the leaked roms are from early beta stage, so they are not so stable and usable as the final version.We should wait a bit for the first official rom and build something stable enough from it for common usage. And i am not talking about BA here i am talking about rom cooking for all devices.
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I agree 100%, though I'm sure some of you will still tinker around. Interesting stuff.
we can use BA wm5 drivers, they should work fine, WM5 is 5.1.x and WM6 is 5.2.x not a major 6.0.x release do the changes are not so drastic and the drivers should work
look at windows windows 2000 uses the same drivers as xp, windows 2000 is NT5 xp is NT5.1
OK guys, thanks for your help.
So basically the main part of the wm5 rom for the BA was made by an unnamed operator, who decided not to release it, but it was leaked to xda-developers.
Then the developers made the aku's and customisations from scratch / ported from other devices, and combined them to make a full wm5 rom.
Some people (xplode and others) seem to think that the wm5 main part rom can be used to host all the bells and whistles from wm6.
So basically, all we need to do is wait untill an official very stable wm6 rom is made for a Blue Angel like device, port it, and we're all set!
Am I right?
Oh, and one last question: is the name for the main part of the rom a "kernel"? thanks,
Always be faithful in the xda-developers,
hardingt0110-1
Looking at other threads, some think it may be necesary to use sd cards as rom.
I have two sd cards (1gb and 2gb) which I swap between on my BA to allow me to have tomtom maps and movies on my device.
Untill now, I have ignored extrom.
Is it possible for me to install the extrom on both cards, so that I can swap them over when I want?
hardingt0110-1
Still Lurking ...
Hey There ... I thought I might just come out of the woodwork for a little bit ...
sostekit said:
have u changed coredll.dll in xip boot?
@Tuatara,
please help me for relocating more space in xip boot
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sostekit said:
I know that there is a way in order to increase and relocate the files in xip with dumpromx but I do not know if it works for the modules (old post Tuatara on xda)
and however I have read that it must edit vdata and pdata in the modules for the just address (oki and sp3dev on buzzdev)
but sp3dev and oki not working on blu devices only tuatara have necessary experience on blu devices and I believe can help
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I've been quite able to make some space in the XIP section by moving files around (to make space for larger boot registries, etc.), but I haven't had any luck with moving around modules. I think it was mamaich (and/or bepe) who managed to get the new core.dll (which has the new LASS_xxx entry points) into the BA XIP section ... but I haven't had the time to see how they managed it.
I do have the source for RomMaster & dumprom, and will be going through the details at some point - when I have the time (which is always lacking). In the same way as figuring out the Acer ROM for mamaich's tools - I'll need to see if we can dump out and 'move' modules & files around to make the space required. This may just have to be a 'one off' manual hex editing job though (fixing the tables).
While in theory the WM5 drivers should work just fine, a number of our "WM5" drivers are still 2003SE versions. How long we can keep using the old drivers is anyone's guess.
In short - as long as the XIP section contains all of the entry points and support calls required by the 'new' OS, and can start the "new" OS, then the OS portion of the ROM can be replaced. This is what we are doing with the BA now. The XIP section is still (effectively) the original leaked WM5 build, with very little, and as little replaced as possible, but just enough in order to boot the "new" OS, which has been put in the remainder of the ROM.
For reference, you can find a listing of the new functions in core.dll from here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobiledocs/
As far as I know (from xda-dev & runour mill) the core.dll entry points have not changed between versions wm5/6 ... but that's not to say that some things don't operate differently.
Only time will tell if we can port/hack wm6 on to a Blue Angel.

What would people reccomend?

Well folks, just got myself a nice shiny t-mobile MDA Vario after my XDA Exec died of hunger.
I want to upgrade my WM5 to WM6 and want to retain all the features of the software i already have atm.
This is my Wizards Info (G4 im pretty sure)
3.08.0001 IPL
3.08..0001 SPL
02.69.11 GSM
3.8.2.1 OS
What i am looking for is basically a very fast running WM6, so after a while i can build on it etc.
And i want the same usage on the cpu and ram etc too, at the moment i have about 26 megs from a fresh startup and i find my wizard extremely fast and responsive
What would people reccomend for a new user like me, did microsoft release any official roms or was it just the SDK?
Thanks
Exemike
"did microsoft release any official roms or was it just the SDK?"
no ms dont make roms and even if they did they would not work
roms are required to include the correct drivers spc for the device
if it dont it dont start up
and sdk mean standart development kit which is what 3th party programmers use to program up agenst when they make programs sdk == api description doc and examples
so not really a rom related thing as using the api require a rom where the programs can run
what ms provide is the base libs the mobile makers include their required drivers into to
make a rom for their device which can boot
Ahh, so what would you reccomend for the best step up from WM5?, any that come to mind? i do enjoy my Vario alot andwould hate to mess it up.

We are challenged to make wm5

hi i read some topic about it but if any go to Magician upgrading you will find wm6 for it and Magician have 64 mb memory but the developers make it so why no one make it for ipaq hw 6515c i hope if any one make it
Dream on Bro! They're never care anyway!
ABDALLA_WALLY said:
hi i read some topic about it but if any go to Magician upgrading you will find wm6 for it and Magician have 64 mb memory but the developers make it so why no one make it for ipaq hw 6515c i hope if any one make it
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Ah.. Problem isin't in memory size, but in how the ROM is build.
There were never build tools for older HP iPAQ ROM dumping, You will always end up with a error. HTC tools don't work.
I have tried dumping and making ROMs for HW6500 / HW6900 / H6300 series iPAQs, but all ended up with nothing, as I where unable to get xip and imgs parts. Those ROMs are coded or compressed. WM2003 Tools ask for password, only HP engineers know that password.
Also ROM converting from WM2003 to WM5 is not easy.
cant you use rom from a 6915?shame if a rom can never be made because its a pretty solid phone.
i also read for a short while there was an update for wm5 surely someone must have it and can atleast post it?

[Q] Qtek 9000 (Win mobile 5)

I have Qtek 9000, the world's first 3G Windows Mobile device!
520 MHz processor, WiFi and a full keyboard...etc.
I want to know if it's possible to install a newer OS and how?
Thank you
Look in this thread or in my signature
That's cool... however i couldn't find the instruction about how to install WM 6.5
I have German version of WM 5.0 and it sucks. Most of the new things are not supported anymore. Please give me a link for install instructions. Thanks you so much
Uh uh it must be that i was blind. It is there and i already have it downloaded. Thank you very much. I hope you will share the Windows Mobile 7 beta too
yugolancer said:
Uh uh it must be that i was blind. It is there and i already have it downloaded. Thank you very much. I hope you will share the Windows Mobile 7 beta too
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LOL WM 7 Suck I port it to Android
STOP! back it up a little, people!
you are talking about the qtek 9000, which is a UNIVERSAL, not a blueangel, do NOT try and flash blueangel roms to your device, you will brick it.
have a look at this section of the forum for further support: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=247
also, android on the universal is quite different, because of the vga resolution and the completely different hardware, you will find ports in the upper mentioned section of the forum as well.
Oh i have this over read
Yes Qtek9000 is an Universal !!!!
Chef_Tony said:
STOP! back it up a little, people!
you are talking about the qtek 9000, which is a UNIVERSAL, not a blueangel, do NOT try and flash blueangel roms to your device, you will brick it.
also, android on the universal is quite different, because of the vga resolution and the completely different hardware, you will find ports in the upper mentioned section of the forum as well.
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Does it mean i should just forget about this and just use the version i have currently? Is it possible to be upgraded somehow? I would like to at least install the WM 5.0 but in English. I do not understand German at all.
Toooo bad if i can't do anything abut it. Shame for the good processor (it is good right?)
yugolancer said:
Does it mean i should just forget about this and just use the version i have currently? Is it possible to be upgraded somehow? I would like to at least install the WM 5.0 but in English. I do not understand German at all.
Toooo bad if i can't do anything abut it. Shame for the good processor (it is good right?)
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Man Chef_Tony have post link for your Device...
I know but i am just a n00b in this. Have no idea about anything. and i am afraid to not screw up something. Is it possible to flash the ROM i got or it's not? Thank you so much for the patience. It is much appreciated!
no it is not possible to flash a rom from THIS section of the forum, but in the link i gave you above, there are instruction and roms for your device. you are just in the wrong sub-forum. depending on your model of the universal, whether you have a G3 or G4 and whether you have 64mb ram or 128 you will find many different roms there (which type of device you have you can find out by checking the memory screen and the bootloader version)
wm6.5 (qtek 9000)
d-two said:
Oh i have this over read
Yes Qtek9000 is an Universal !!!!
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please hellp me (qtek 9000)
hello
i m from iran
i have a qtek 9000
please help me for up date qtek 9000 in wm5 to wm 6.5
i dont no installed and upgread to wm 6.5
please help me steep by steep
my device now wm5
tnx

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