Hello there guys.
I'm new here and I just bought a blue angel. I'm thinking to upgrade my Windows Mobile 2003 to WM6 or WM6.1 or WM6.5, but I don't know which one to choose - Which one of then is better and more realible?
I was wondering upgrade to WM 6.1 but I saw the WM6.5 and I really loved the desktop, menus, windows, etc.. but, from what I read, the xplode and sun_dream release are both beta?
I'd like to read first of all the answers for all this questions and then I'll ask for other questions.
Another question is about in how to know which one to choose, better, which one will fit to my SPV M2000. I'm saying this because a read that - "How do I find the correct upgrade ROM that will work for me?" and I need to "1. Go to "List of know Blueangel, sold as, Model ID, Operator code etc"" to see which one (of both I choose) works in my SPV M2000? Is that truth? That means that we are conditioned?
Best regards, and I'd like to thanks in advance.
ok, don't panic, i see your problem. in general there are 2 kinds of "blueangel" devices the actual blueangel (gsm) and the harrier (cdma). your model is a blueangel, so don't worry.
there are plenty more differences between several blueangel models, like camera or no camera or the different manufacturers of displays or the slightly different weight or button layout, but all of that doesn't matter for flashing a rom. that might be an issue when buying spare parts. no worries about that.
you are right in asking before picking a rom, but actually each person has to choose for him-/herself, because it is a question of taste and what you actually use your device for.
the beta status of wm6.5 is due to the not yet officially released wm6.5. you can still use those and they won't hurt your device. since up or downgrading will be no problem, once you read the wiki wizard and get your device unlocked and stuff.
what you need to know is, before first upgrading, you have a lot of work and a lot of reading to do, but once you did that and prepared your device for flashing, it will so easy, you can test a rom, and as soon as you realize you don't like it anymore, pick another one.
there is really no need to pick a rom like it was a dead end. you can flash your device over and over again.
but the most important thing is, follow the wizard for your first upgrade, don't skip any steps, don't be a smartass, because then you might hurt your device or end up starting all over.
the wizard is to be found here
i already set, that you want to upgrade to wm5 or higher and come from wm2003.
the main page of the wizard is here
and once you go through the steps, at one point you will come to picking a rom and you can pick one of the list given there for starters, or you pick one from the forum yourself.
for wm6.5 you have the options of taking
- sun_dream's
- xplode's
- swampy's
- thanhcong_to's
have fun
greetz
Chef_Tony
Thanks for your reply.
BTW, I'm from portugal, and I bought my Blue Angel (SPV M2000 - orange) to I guy here in Portugal, but I think he bought this device and ebay, or maybe in England (vacations), don't know.
Well, in part I understood everything you wrote, but I still having some doubts.
But first, I'd like to ask something else.
When I bought my Blue Angel (SPV M2000 - orange) the guy who I bought, told me that the BA was unlocked, and it's true, and here is the question.
When I make the upgrade to WM 6.1 (I'm more inclined to this one - but I've something else to ask about this), I'll "lose the unlocking"?
Now about the WM's, I'm more inclined to the WM6.1, but I've some doubts about this. Which diferences exist between the WM6, WM6.1 and WM6.5?
Let's imagine 3 BA, each on installed with one of the three WM's.
Which one is faster? What I mean is, installing the last WM (WM6.5) means that the BA is more heavy, slow, compared to WM6.1? Do you understand what I mean?
About the WM6.5 BETA, when the WM6.5 became official, the BETA version will suffer some changes?
For now i'ts all.
The next post, if I don't I've no more doubts about your post, I'll ask other things, now related with a step in the tutorial.
Best regards
first of all, the sim unlocking stays. that is no problem at all.
for the differences:
i can't really tell factual differences between wm6 and wm6.1, but i suppose that would be too hard to google that. i upgraded from wm6 to wm6.1 because sun_dream made a great build, that was very fingerfriendly.
and fingerfriendlyness is great and important for me personally. in general, after installing a rom or performing a hard reset, wm2003, wm5, wm6 and wm6.1 look all the same, the same today screen, the same start menu, and so on, wm6.5 is the only real different one from that, because it is the only one with the (invisible) honeycomb start menu and the titanium home as today screen.
by the way, you are always referring to the beta status of wm6.5 roms, but in the threads i gave you, you will find many different versions of wm6.5 the beta status sometimes refers to the rom state, sometimes to the os state, you have to look for yourself there.
and you are putting way to much weight on the versions. they all start with 6.X and it is all basicly the same os, there are not that huge differences like installing windows mobile, linux, android or pandorra to the device. it is just slightly different versions of the same operating system, and what you do with it, is up to you. they are all extremely fast, right after installing, but then you install more and more custom programs and they get slower, so you have control over the speed.
but back to fingerfriendlyness and add ons.
you might have seen that many people here extend their today screen with widgets, like the weather, or fave people or music players or whatever. when you install wm6.5 you have the full potential, you can make the today screen look and feel like wm6 or wm6.1 with the classic today and today plugins, or you can install widgets, an option you don't have with lower versions. wm6.5 has a new internet explorer, that offers full flash support and a "desktop pc like surfing experience" so the sites you go to, don't look crummy anymore, they look exactly the same as on the pc at home.
and if you like your phone to be fingerfriendly (it is 2009, we are not 90s palm pilot geeks with a stylus) you should definetlely pick wm6.5 because for the normal wm6 you would have to install a lot of plugins and programs and apps... to enable fingerscrolling, bigger icons, bigger menus...
and that alone will make the device way slower that any wm6.5 one would ever be.
i would definetely say, that in the example you gave with the 3 devices:
if you had tose three devices and you'd start a third party program, whatever it might be, let's say spb online, it would start on the wm6.5 first, then the wm6.1, then the wm6. you see the higher versions and higher build numbers mean, that people were sitting and sweatiing for months to improve the system, it's not getting worse.
you should pick one of the newest releases, e.g. 23004 in the rom threads there are a lot of experiences and opinions shared, you can find out what's best for you. and again as a reminder, flashing one rom is not terminal, it is addictive. you see new roms coming out, you flash them, you see something you like, you flash it. it is a process of 10min. net and with all settings, customizations and installation of external programs it might take you 30 minutes, there was a time, when the roms popped up every day, and i would flash my device at least once a week trying out new builds and new versions liking the new one better than the old one, it is a hobby.
try any wm6.5 rom, if you don't like it, take another one, i really don't see, why exactly you need me to tell you, what to like.
i have no problem telling you, exactly how to do it, in every little step, with full and long explanations, but since i don't know you and what you like and what you need, choosing the right rom for you is impossible for me, sorry.
i know, sometimes i sound a little rude, but it is not meant offensive in any way. i hope for you, that you find the best rom for your device, but i doubt that that is possible without trying them. you can look at 50 screenshots and read 100 posts, you have to see for yourself, what a rom feels like and whether you like it or not, so don't be shy, try one out.
greetz
Chef_Tony
Ok. I understand, and of course you're right, you don't have to choose any WM for me, of course. But because I'm nood in this kind of stuff's a senior opinion is always welcome.
About the WM, so in your opinion is better try in first place WM6.5 right? Now, I've to choose the newest build, RIGHT? (so far as I understood) - BTW, why you're are using a older build than the newest from xplod?
Other question about WM to choose, which diference exist between the XPLODE and SUN_DREAM WM's?
Now, about upgrading. I've run the tutorial and I've some doubts there.
1 - I've read the BA Getting Started:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_GettingStarted
And I read "How do I find the correct upgrade ROM that will work for me?" and made me feel confused.
To use one of the WM6.5, for example, I need to know if it gonna work with my BA from a "X" operator? I hope made myseld explained.
So this means that not every ROMs works on determined BA, that's it?
2 - About the ExtROM. I read all the basic stuff but I didn't understood if there is any kind of inconvenience?
- Deleting the ExtROM I win more space, but for what? If the WM is stored at the SDcard.. The BA turns more fast?
- Deleting the ExtROM, when I make a HardReset, isn't suppose the BA load the WM only from the ExtROM and install?
- If I want the ExtROM back, how can I do that?
Best Regards and thanks in advance
1. that section, what rom fits to me? is about shipped roms, they have complex file names and when you go to bigger archives of shipped roms that is just the guide on how to find the one, your device was shipped with, every rom here will work with your device.
2. about the extrom:
2.a do you remember your last hard reset? your device starts up for the first time.
you align the screen, set the clock, cut & paste the appointment...
then the device starts.
and then comes the extrom, it states something like "Customization starts in 3... 2... 1..." and then there are a bunch of programs installed additionally to the actual rom. that is the extrom or extended rom. it is a hidden partition with 16mb of cabs (installer setup files). that means you always carry around those programs and the installer files, too. it is like on the pc having for example ms office installed and additionally you would have the image of the office cd stored. you can always re-install it, but it also means you take up double the space you would actually need to run office. so the extrom is like a backup of certain programs.
changing the rom to wm6.5 means, you cannot access that partition anymore, at all, neither could you use those old wm2003 programs.
so, deleting this partition, is generally good, because you don't need it anyway and gain space for your documents and ringtones and data. your "C:" drive gets bigger.
2.b the wm is NOT stored on the sd card, it is written in the rom partition of the device
2.c again, the rom is in the rom partition, after a hard reset you should insert an sd card with the extrom on it, so your most used programs, for instance, the internet explorer or office or any other program you want can be installed and used without wasting internal space, of which the BA only has 43mb (or after extrom delete 60mb)
2.d you wouldn't want the extrom back, as in the shipped rom, it is useless sh*t, like a dialer skin or a wallpaper, made by your carrier to software brand your device and claim its territory.
if however, some day you decide to go back to wm2003 (but why would you?) you flash the shipped rom. those shipped roms are "baked" roms, which means, they contain the rom, the radio rom and the extrom, while the cooked roms published here are only the operating system itself, there is no radio rom in there, nor is there an extrom.
in most cases like with xplode's rom, the extrom is offered as an additional download, but not to be flashed like with the shipped rom, but to be installed from the sd card to the device. that way it is also pretty customizable and you don't need to know your way around rom cooking, to get it to fit your needs.
about your other questions:
- the differences between those roms are to be read in the respective threads.
while sun_dream's rom contains little apps like htc large title bar or touch image viewer, xplode's is a little cleaner and contains hardly any external programs, so you can make it whatever you like, which makes me an xplode fan, although i miss the large title bar, which makes the clock, the battery and the network icons in the task bar more finger friendly.
- the reason why i am not on the latest xplode build is:
i use build 21202, which is xplode's release R6.1 (release 6.1, not wm6.1!), because i find it very stable and fast, while release R7 has little synchronization issues, when it comes to contacts, and R7.1 has tiny sync issues with exchange. i need to sync my device regularly with my home pc and my work and i have more than one device, so without flawless synching, i'm screwed. those roms are not yet options for me. probably i should have mentioned those little bugs earlier, because that can also influence your decision on which rom to pick.
cheers,
Chef_Tony
Hmm, now I'm getting.
First of all, before asking something about your last post, I'd like to ask something else:
When you say "and so on, wm6.5 is the only real different one from that, because it is the only one with the (invisible) honeycomb start menu and the titanium home as today screen." this means that this WM6.5 was "cracked", "modified", "was made a combination of", those too "applications", comparing to the real WM6.5?
Now about your last post, I understand the section "what rom fits to me", because this threat was confusing me!
Well, when I'm upgrading the WM, this will install at the ROM?
So those files at the ExtROM, that you were refering (3, 2, 1 ... etc), are some kind of software that is installed beyond the WM? That's it?
But when we make a HardReset where the PDA goes for the WM? To install it again?
What you mean with this:
''again, the rom is in the rom partition, after a hard reset you should insert an sd card with the extrom on it, so your most used programs, for instance, the internet explorer or office or any other program you want can be installed and used without wasting internal space, of which the BA only has 43mb (or after extrom delete 60mb)'' ?
''sun_dream's rom contains little apps like htc large title bar or touch image viewer'' what looks like that title bar and touch viewer? Where can I see one?
This WM6.5 we can do everyting that my actual 2003 do? Getting wireless, bluetooth, etc, etc?
BTW, what is the RADIO? And for what is for?
Best regards,
Thnks for you patience.
1. no, what i mean by that is, that wm6.5 is the first os that really has major changes in the looks of the today screen and the start menu, by adding new features (titanium home) and finger friendlyness
2. i understand why that was confusing for you, the thread might really suggest that some roms work and other's don't but it actually just wants to clearify which shipped rom is for which country, because for instance t-mobile or orange are popular carriers in many countries.
3. yes, the rom is the operating system, the rom contains windows mobile and all the drivers and some basic programs, just like formatting and re-installing your computer, you have windows, some other useful system apps, and solitaire
4. yes. the extrom contains extra programs that are not part of the operating system, again, comparable to the pc, you will find office in there, something that needs to be installed after you format your pc. you can also put your own programs in there, whatever you need.
5. for the upgrade process, you need to take out the sd card and the sim card. and then, when your upgrade is finished and your pc tells you to disconnect the device and make a hard reset, that is the point, where you disconnect the device, put in the sd card, and then hard reset. that way, when the device boots up for the first time, it recognizes the autorun of the sd card, and installs all the extra programs automatically.
6. please try and do a little research on you own:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=htc+large+title+bar
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Touch+Image+Viewer
and maybe you might want to do the image search as well, which is blocked for me here at work.
7. of course it can do everything, wm2003 can do, even much more, that is the point of upgrading
8. the radio is for wireless connections, like the name radio suggests, it is for your phone functions and so on.
Thnks for your answer!
I'm getting more and more clarified.
Well, getting what you said:
"for the upgrade process, you need to take out the sd card and the sim card. and then, when your upgrade is finished and your pc tells you to disconnect the device and make a hard reset, that is the point, where you disconnect the device, put in the sd card, and then hard reset. that way, when the device boots up for the first time, it recognizes the autorun of the sd card, and installs all the extra programs automatically."
This means that we need I card with the WM6.5, in this case, that will serve as a "CD of installation - camparing to the PC", every time we want to update the ROM. That's it? Once the ROM is updated, everytime we do a HardReset the WM6.5 will be installed by itself, from the ROM, "no needing" the SD card again, right? It's just this point that I'm confused, so that I can join all the pieces and put together.
BTW, when you said that the SUN_DREAM has some features, like the fingerfriendly, and something else, and the XPLODE doens't have nothing, that doesn't mean that, for example, in case of there is no WORD, EXCEL, etc.. we can install it anyway, right?
One more question, now related with my WM2003 that I'm using for now. When I take out the battery and install it again, the BA starts to install all again, and I've to make the screen alignment, etc.. Is that normal? In WM6.5 happens the same?
Best regards
you are misunderstanding some things again, but don't worry, that happens to a lot of people when it first comes to the extrom.
you don't really "need" the sd card, you can live perfectly without any extrom, you can copy all the cab files to your device and install them then. all the extrom does, is install a few programs automatically, and of course that is purely optional.
same thing about the comparison of sun_dream and xplode. xplode offers a great extrom, that contains office (word excel powerpoint) and internet explorer with flash support and also some other tiny programs like marketplace, automatic data settings, remote desktop and so on, but you can use the same extrom for sun_dream's rom or take sun_dream's one (if there is one, i don't know) with xplode's rom, or you download both, extract them, and pick the programs to install, yourself.
you are not forced to do anything there.
and that is why you don't really need an sd card, but may i ask: don't you have an sd card? a 2gb card is like 3eur. that should be nothing to keep you from enjoying the full power of your device.
the rom itself is stored in the device, no need for an sd card, and once you hard reset, you also don't need an sd card. the only thing you are missing out on, is the automated install of programs, which does not keep you from installing them yourself.
i know all this seems complicated, but that is partly because this is all very theoretical for you. let me make this clear by posting some things of my own.
i build my extrom myself based on xplode's 21202 extrom offered with the rom (and yes, that extrom will work with any rom)
i attached a screenshot of the contents of my extrom folder.
as you see there is nothing mystical about that.
there are:
- a bunch of cabs. those files are installers for programs.
- custom.bmp is a picture, that is shown, while the extrom installed, pure eyecandy, not essential
- autorun.exe makes the whole thing run automatically
- and cfg.txt is a text file, where the installation of those cabs is scripted
to make that a little easier for you, here is the content of the cfg.txt:
Code:
LOCK:Enabled
SHOW:\Storage Card\EXTROM\Custom.bmp
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\ADC.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\A2DPFix.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\HTC Large Title Bar.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\HTC_Touch_Calculator_Skin.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\HTC_WMP_Touch_Skin.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\Office_6.1.21202.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\PIE8_Flash3.1_21202.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\pocketrar.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\psShutXP.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\RDM_21202.CAB
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\sipchange.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\skybox.CAB
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\skybox.CAB
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\SMS Delivery Receipt Fix
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\WMWidgets.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\youtubeplay.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\R6.1_21202Fixes.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\blackblue_qvga.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\tcmdpocketarm.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\WkTaskL_1202.cab
LOCK:Disabled
HIDE:Enabled
EXEC: \Windows\DelCDetect.exe
HIDE:Disabled
RST: Reset
the first command lock enabled locks the screen and the keys so you don't accidently abort the installation
show custom.bmp shows the picture during the installation, and then there is the list of cab files, which install one after the other, then the screen and key lock is being disabled again, then in hidden mode the delcdetect is executed, don't worry about that and then the device is soft resetted and all those programs are installed.
that is all the extrom is for, there are a lot of programs i want to use with every rom i use. programs frequently needed for a long time now, and i don't want to sit there for hours and install one programm after the other by hand, copy the cab file to the device, then start the file explorer and install it, press ok, install the next one...
that is way to much work. and that is why i copied all my cab files in that folder called EXTROM\ on an sd card and every cab in that folder must be listed in the cfg.txt file, so the autorun.exe can find it.
and pleeeeease, do me a favour, before asking me, what any of those mentioned cab files are, copy the file name, for example "skybox.cab" and google them first. if you really want to know and there are no search results i can still write you what they are, for a few, maybe.
and yes, if you find any of the above mentioned programs useful, i can atach them here, there is no commercial program in there, so it is not warez for me to share them, they came with various roms, and i collected them.
well, and, did it click? now you should have understood the point of the extrom. and basicly, the sd card you insert in the device. the programs are installed in the device and you won't need the sd card till the next hard reset, and even then the device could run perfectly without sd card or extrom, you are just lacking a few programs then.
i wish you a nice weekend, i hope with the new knowledge you are able to flash your device, and afterwards you will think, "wow, some questions were redundant, it is self-explanatory" but don't worry, i don't mind, helping newbies. i was a newbie myself, not even a year ago.
have fun and if there is anything more, over the weekend from time to time i will have a look in the forum and i can help you out then, if anything doesn't work to plan.
and once the job is done, just like my signature says, please consider a small donation, for the coffee i need while writing complex and long explanations and tutorials like this.
cheers
Chef_Tony
Now I'm understanding a bit more
Now I got a little scared:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538691
I read that post and that made me think twice!
This guy had is BA unlocked, and when he updated to WM6.5 and every single other ROMs he just "When I was on the win 2003 SE, I have to use unlocker to make GSM working and that is working just fine... But when I upgrade to any other version of ROM or radio ROM, GSM doesn't function like it should...".. This means that he can't make any call because the BA is locked again to the operator from the country where that BA was bought.
In my case, I bought this BA in a forum from I guy here in Portugal, but I think he may bought this BA in ebay at UK (because is a ORANGE). And I don't know how he unlocked, but now, after I read that post I'm a little afraid of upgrading, because if I upgrade maybe MY BA will lock to the orange operator..
Do you understand what I mean?
Best regards
it would definetely not lock to the orange uk network, how would the device get the information what network to lock to, all the internal information is overwritten, in that thread the device did not get locked to any network either, he just posted, that his radio wouldn't work properly after upgrade, but when he downgraded, everything was back to normal again, plus, what are the odds? think about this forum. there are millions of users, permanently there are 4000 users online. the threads about the roms are filled with 100+ pages of people thanking the cooks for cooking the roms and everything went fine, and now there was 1 problem that is not YET resolved. what are the odds of that striking you too? by that means you shouldn't go out of the door because something could happen. in contrast to that situation, this one with the rom is reversible and still to be solved. no problem stays unanswered here.
and, if however it wouldn't work for you, (although i still don't see, why), you could still go back to wm2003 and what did you lose then? you are back to where you started and although you lost some time, you also learned a lot about windows mobile and met a nice guy who explained everything to you
i just realized something else about the thread stated above. that guy has 5 posts altogether, all in that thread, meaning, he didn't bother to ask people before upgrading. he was not as careful and thoughtful as you were, who knows in what ways he tried to upgrade. we don't know the rom he picked, and where that came from, possibly not this forum. maybe the problem he experiences are related to his carrier in sarajevo. or maybe it is a hardware issue, why would your device be broken, just because his is?
another thing is the (financial) risk you actually take with this operation. your device running wm2003 can practically do nothing a normal phone should be able to do. all the great freeware, popping up everywhere, does not work on wm2003. the os itself is pretty ugly and not user-friendly. it is all in all outdated and practically worthless in today's windows mobile and cell phone world.
this would mean, by upgrading you gain a lot of cool stuff, better ui, better support, coolness, and a piece of 2009 mobile lifestyle.
in the (very unlikely) case, your device would suffer any tragic accident, while flashing, or completely unrelated, you let it fall to the ground and the hardware breaks (much more likely), what is the price of another one? 2 years ago, when i first got mine (without knowing about this great forum and the potential of the device) i paid 250eur for it. today on ebay, they go out between 30 and 60eur.
don't get me wrong, i don't want to get you to do something you feel unsafe about, i just want to make sure, you don't over-estimate the risk, but you are completely right, not to under-estimate them either!
it is your choice, maybe if you want to pick up flashing your device as a hobby and keeping up with new developments in that sector, you could look up the device on ebay first, so you are prepared, if one day, you might need a spare part or another device.
to share another personal experience. when i first flashed my device, with an OFFICIAL upgrade by t-mobile germany, i thought i broke my device, because i saw no warning, not to use windows vista, because that would disconnect the device in the middle of upgrading. then i ended up being stuck in bootloader, with an empty device and no second pc running windows xp to flash the phone from. i was pretty terrified, but then i found this community and i tried again from a friend's pc and it worked, pretty crappy though, because i did about nothing right, no maupgrade, no extrom resize, no extrom afterwards, didn't even manage to do a proper hard reset, i used the device for 2 months in a crappy state like that, and then someone bothered to explain to me, how it is really done. and when i understood it, i suddenly knew how to do it the right way, and from then on i started flashing my device regularly to keep up with the newest developments, and to this day i experienced NO PROBLEMS that weren't caused by my own stupidity back in the day. but i flashed at least 50 different roms and everything always worked out fine. because being careful and think about all the steps gets you through safely.
again, i really appreciate your concerns and your interest to understand the process before you start. that is way better than to try it on your own and then start posting, when you messed everything up.
there were people, messing up their devices, but none of those was as informed as you are now.
i hope for you, that maybe after reading a little more about this really interesting topic, you can convince yourself to do it, i wouldn't even write try it, because i know, you can do it. you will definetely like it.
cheers
Chef_Tony
Hopefully this is a well known topic and I simply have not yet to locate the information - please try not to flame me too much I've been away for about a year and things have a tendancy to change real quick...
My baseline kitchen / ROM builds have always worked best off a stock OEM dumps - bloat and all. I'm hoping to come across such a gem with the new WWE 6.5 dumps coming available.
Ideally, a similar process could be done as Bepe did to the Hermes rom: Bepe's Big Storage. In this rom the extended and program memory was merged, giving it terrific space (not that I ever needed it ).
Also (and most important for ease of use), his rom dumps included the individual registry entries for each package with each folder - the file names escape me, but it made keeping the registry clean and specific very, very easy. This also makes making a personal kitchen for the masses to use much better as well.
So - has the dumping process for this rom evolved enough that we can replicate Bepe's actions (clean file/registry extraction and merging extended ROM space), do we simply use existing tools for a different platform (such as Touch Pro, Diamond, or whatnot) to extract our own, or is that no longer a driving practice with ROM building?
Thanks for schooling me on the latest ROM process - hopefully I can get one of my Naked builds together for those who perfer lean and fast, cause this bloated gadget is way too fat
Hopefully if there is enough info collected in one spot to either update the Wiki or put up a sticky for everyone to use
Here's a thread from the Raphael device, probably a good enough reference to get started - if it will work with this dump: [TUT] Sous-Chef's Guide to Aruppenthal's XIP Porting Kitchen 5.3
I just PM'd hilaireg - hopefully he has some info if there are hardware differences that would prevent the tools he'd referenced from working...
hi,
i found this thread regarding radio dump but it is for smartphone device (wings).
i haven't tried this yet.
hopefully the process can be used to our device.
edit:
also found this thread regarding rebuilding of dumped roms (raw files) from topaz.
just change the htcrt to our device config.
regards,
twisted
WB Matt!
I think things really have changed a lot from Wizard and Hermes days!
For Kaiser, I use OEM from 6.1 dump, and use 6.5 SYS files! It seems to work better for us Kaiser users.
I am not sure about old way if cooking though! New way is much easier, and real fast to switch between devices even.
But I know you have creative ideas to even make a noob cook! So I am looking forward to your contributions...
Here's hilaireg's response - he added a couple good links and info:
"Hi Matt,
I agree that the TP2 section of the forum is still somewhat sparse.
Arup's XIP porting process was tailored around PkgToolsBuildOS 5.3 which doesn't properly support WinMO 6.5 ... hence the release of Visual Kitchen by Ervius.
IMHO, I would suggest performing a dump of a TP2 official RUU's using the latest version (1.8.1) of Visual Kitchen and forgo using the old PkgToolsBuildOS.
I'm sure you've likely been following Da_G's threads on WinMO 6.5 ... just in case:
[OS][WM6.5.x] Latest Releases (23034), Porting, Tutorials, Tools, VM, etc.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544445
There's this thread as well that may serve of use if you run into extraction issues using Visual Kitchen 1.8.1.
[APP][UTIL]nbImageTool .4 (Partition Dumper) support .nbh .nb .dio .fat .nb0 .payload
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548315
The utility may allow you to extract the portions you need (ex: XIP, .PAYLOAD,etc.) and have VK perform the SYS/OEM package extraction. From there, you may be able to piece together a "functional" kitchen from both extraction processes."
ai6908 / twisted - thanks! I did have a lot of success mixing OEM and SYS packages - but the fun was making every element of the ROM being optional, and allowing someone to build a completly empty ROM, or only adding exactly what they want. This way, they can balance bloat vs speed, and find their perfect balance. This flexibility keeps every mix clean and quick
Once I get a good grasp on what's going on, I'll redo the first post with a summary and process for this device, FYI Best way to learn
Good to see you here. I remember the pandora stuff and look forward to this.
Options around things like extendir might be good?
Things have changed quite a bit Matt. I remember your excellent tutorials and guidance from my Hermes days We don't have extended memory anymore and all packages get dumped with their corresponding dsm and rgu, it 's very easy. The newer "visual kitchen" made by bepe and erv, use app.reg and did away with dsm's. Da_G is working on a microsoft based kitchen that will enable us to update any file in the ROM without flashing the whole rom again and that will be possible by the reintroduction of DSM's in the cooking process. You can IM me if you want to chat about all this.. Top right corner
(Sorry for possible silly questions, but I'm still at Andrews for a couple more days and am without a PC )
Interesting... editing/deleting files in a live rom... gonna have to chew on that concept for a while. Wonder how this will effect page file settings. Wow...!
The .dsm/.rgu extraction being clean is good news - trying to break out the individual registry elements is a big pain.
Good as well is the lack of extended memory, but do we recover unused space if not used for the "program" - in that this space is usable to load apps into?
I'll still need to research more, but if we're using app.reg, will the compiler still add .rgu entries into the compiled hive? This will be important to keep package selection clean in a multiple selection kitchen, unless I am unaware of the new kitchen capabilities and this won't be an issue.
I do have some ideas, and a whole lot more programming under my belt than before. Can't wait to get home and get started
Please consider looking at the issue of activating MSVC with the bluetooth headset button if you can. I am not sure if this is fixed in 6.5 but cannot make it work in 6.1. The TP2 usues a different BT stack so I am told. This is allegedly a business phone and this is a mjor feature espcially with the current laws around mobile phones and driving in the UK.
Cheers, and looking forward to whatever you release.
Matt my old friend, I'm sorry for taking a while but i have successfully converted my hermes, kaiser, fuze kitchen to rhodium for you... i'll upload shortly when i get home and you can do what you want with it has all stock extracted rhodium and if you have questions buzz me and i'll answer
Also matt, add me to messenger, it would be an honor to help you with this. get you up to speed
mattk_r said:
(Sorry for possible silly questions, but I'm still at Andrews for a couple more days and am without a PC )
Interesting... editing/deleting files in a live rom... gonna have to chew on that concept for a while. Wonder how this will effect page file settings. Wow...!
The .dsm/.rgu extraction being clean is good news - trying to break out the individual registry elements is a big pain.
Good as well is the lack of extended memory, but do we recover unused space if not used for the "program" - in that this space is usable to load apps into?
I'll still need to research more, but if we're using app.reg, will the compiler still add .rgu entries into the compiled hive? This will be important to keep package selection clean in a multiple selection kitchen, unless I am unaware of the new kitchen capabilities and this won't be an issue.
I do have some ideas, and a whole lot more programming under my belt than before. Can't wait to get home and get started
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if the rgu entries are in the OEM or sys folder sections of the new rom kitchen it will be added to hive.. App.reg is looked at in EXT folder of the kitchen now.