Where can I look/read what kind of GPS Chip run in my diamond?
Is it true thats two different chips have been build-in?
Does nobody know this information?
you should've checked the wiki before posting
anyways, the chipset is Qualcomm's gpsOne
where did you get the idea of two chips from?
blufade said:
you should've checked the wiki before posting
anyways, the chipset is Qualcomm's gpsOne
where did you get the idea of two chips from?
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Shure - I ve checked wiki and another blogs and I know this information about Qualcomm, thx.
But I wanne know where I can read in my diamond what kind of chip I have.
I´ve read it in a another forum (about 2 versions of chip´s) and I think that was the answer why first Diomonds release work with bad Sat fix and newest edition work´s fine.
on your diamon huh ?...from what i know, neither winmo nor the htc manual reports any info regarding the gps chip, plus i've never come across any s/w that could read gps specifications directly, have you checked out the htc repair maual, actually it has pretty much all info regarding the hardware.
i don't know if htc would alter the gps chip, maybe its just that the newer diamonds come with a better radio s/w...
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Hi All.
Just noticed this on another site.
The GPS inside the Trinity/Dopod D810/HTC P3600 is not a SiRF III chipset.
It is part of the Qualcomm MSM6275 chipset used in the Dopod D810 and is known as gpsOne.
Specs on the Qualcomm MSM6275 chipset can be found here.
The Official GPS equipped HTC P3300 uses the same Qualcomm MSM6275 chipset as the Dopod D810/HTC P3600.
The HTC Hermes/JasJam/Dopod 838 Pro/HTC TyTN also uses the Qualcomm MSM6275 chipset, as does the Palm Treo 750v.
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The tread can be found here: http://www.mtekk.com.au/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/2/postid/72077/view/topic/Default.aspx
Following the links to the Qualcomm site I noticed that they state that
gpsOne® position-location assisted-GPS (A-GPS) solution
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With my limited understanding of GPS doesn't that mean it should download data from the network and so speed up the time taken to obtain a fix, especially when starting? I ask this as the times people are reporting would indicate it does not, eg the comparison to the P3300 posted in main GPS thread.
Is this just one more feature that is yet to be enabled? Or is this the reason they released it with the GPS disabled? Or do I simply not understand all this GPS stuff?
These are some of the Kaiser's internals.
Here you will find the diagram of it:
DIAGRAM
This is the page I found this on:
Qualcomm MSM7200Chipset In Kaiser
Lemme know what you guys think!
interesting that its chip supports video out but they did not add it in the hardware.
magnamar said:
interesting that its chip supports video out but they did not add it in the hardware.
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yes, the chip in the 8525/TyTN supported gps but did not support it.
the mogul has the 7500 chip which supports the same as the kaiser but the device doesnt support it all.
KaiserLinux said:
These are some of the Kaiser's internals.
Here you will find the diagram of it:
DIAGRAM
This is the page I found this on:
Qualcomm MSM7200Chipset In Kaiser
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Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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I am sure this has to do with the carriers network supporting this bandwith upload feature.
iservealot said:
I am sure this has to do with the carriers network supporting this bandwith upload feature.
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Well, everything will turn out once Kaiser will hit the shelves and people start using it, and sharing (hopefully) their thoughts about it...
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Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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I suspect this will have a lot more to do with Microsoft's WM6 not ready to cope with these kind of 3,5G / 3,75G protocols.... (correct me if i'm wrong)
So that should also mean that future upgrades (AKU's i'd suspect) might correct the lack of HSUPA
Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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As per the comment above, I definitely think it is based on the carrier.
The radio on kaiser runs L4/Linux Pistachio microkernel, you can read more information here.
Some pr0n for the linux geeks:
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$ strings kaiser_radio_0x301.nb |grep -i linux
M6500C L4/Linux
L4 Linux
NICTNICTA::Pistachio - built on Jan 23 2007 18:10:22 by [email protected] using gcc version 3.4.1
start_linux_cmd
vmlinux != NULL
vmlinux
vmlinux igms_name=ramdisk root=/dev/igms0
start_linux
The radio on kaiser runs L4/Linux Pistachio microkernel, you can read more information here.
Some pr0n for the linux geeks:
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Thanks for this info! I am reading over it now.
im a bit confused on how it could run the l4 microkernel and windows 6 on it. I was hoping that I could somehow flash the device with a Linux embedded bootloader - > load a kernel that has support for both of these arm cpu's and board -> then load driver modules for all of the different radios and interfaces and drop some minimalistic OS on top of that. Does anyone know the feasibility of accomplishing something like this? Also how the l4 linux kernel can run side by side with wm6?
Think of the radio interface as a computer inside an another computer (the phone itself). The main CPU runs WM6 and interfaces with the radio which runs an embedded linux.
Wrong, on most phones you are correct, they have a cpu and the seperate communications processor. But the kaiser is unique in using the communications processor as the primary CPU for the entire device. So unless there is a seperate arm core (dual core?) inside it, how is it running both linux and wm?
That's the thing that is very interesting. Looking at the diagram the msm7200 board seems to have an ARM11 and an ARM9 cpu on it.
I coudlv'e sworn someone said that it might be a dual core...
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Also how the l4 linux kernel can run side by side with wm6?
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They can share address space on the same CPU,
wince is a 25bit OS.
Do you have the Kaiser phone ? Can you run haret on it ?
On handhelds.org it's mentioned that a guy named Kevin has modded the source code of haret for the MSM7500 chip. It's not working yet (internals of the chip is unknown), only the CPU gets detected. (more info: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET)
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As per the comment above, I definitely think it is based on the carrier.
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HSUPA is mostly being trialled by carriers. Most are still absorbing HSDPA.
Hey - Im a nubee and I was wandering if any of you can help with what you estimate the cost of the Qualcomm MSM7200 SOC to be. Its very impressive!
We are starting a new design and could be interseting.
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Wrong, on most phones you are correct, they have a cpu and the seperate communications processor. But the kaiser is unique in using the communications processor as the primary CPU for the entire device. So unless there is a seperate arm core (dual core?) inside it, how is it running both linux and wm?
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It still has a seperate communications processor, it's just in the same chip as opposed to a seperate package now. (See other comments).
I think it's something like 400 MHz ARM11 for applications, 274MHz ARM9 for comms.
Android on kaiser?
Lets start an effort to try to run Android on kaiser? I am sure it will be a huge task, but lets give it a shot.
I am not an embedded system expert, but I am sure we can get people to help us, maybe from the google team once we get serious.
Can we make this a sticky post where the end status of the Kaiser Video driver development stands?
Where does it stand? Has anyone started work on it? How do we get ahold of the information required for developing the driver? Can we determine if the development for this driver is even possible? (Is the hardware completely set up to handle it? Maybe there are hardware design hurdles which makes it impossible to be done - that HTC knows about but cannot or will not currently tell us? Even if the chipset is up to it, maybe there is some other piece of hardware missing like an additional circuit left out? How can we determine this for sure and get the work on this started?
Let's make this a sticky post and only those with specific information should post here...
What pieces of hardware are required for a developer to work on this driver development issue? I am willing to part with my older units (for a price, I was going to sell them) if that would help the effort: (O2 XDA/O2 XDA II/Cingular 8525) - what specific models support this chipset so we know what hardware can be used for the development effort?
There are three sticky posts on the subject of video drivers already - are these needs not met by the Video driver project thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355345 ?
But not the current status
But not the current status in one place that is easy to find. Maybe there should be a sticky post with only one postingvand only updated - not added to - from time to time - only by the forum admin...
Developing new drivers from the ground up won't happen anytime soon. It's a massive undertaking and I bet much too much even for the fine people here.
Even "stealing" drivers from similair hardware has proven very difficult, though it's most probably possible.
I think our best chance would be if HTC releases a device with MSM 7200/7500 and they deliver it with drivers, then it would probably be a fairly easy task.
As for the hardware the only two things that come to mind would be if HTC bought cost reduced chipsets with non-functional Imageon hardware (if for an example there's a problem with yields and Qualcomm has a stock of partially broken chipsets) or if Qualcomm has different SKUs of the same chipset which they artificially handicap by disbling certain hardware (and thus ell them cheaper).
None of the two theories above are that far fetched actually.
Hardware manufacturers often artificially create multiple SKUs by disabling features in a high end product. (Perfect sample would be CD/DVD burners that are firmware capped to a lower speed that the hardware can actually manage.)
Sma ething happens with videocards. When Radeon 9500 was launched the chip on those boards were actually 9700 chips but with non-functional hardware units (and when ATi were out of those they actually started capping 9700 chips that were 100 % operational).
As for the exact current status I believe the only person who really gave this a try was Chainfire who tried to make the LG KS20 drivers work on a Kaiser without any luck. SO I guess the status is still att 0 % so to speak.
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But not the current status in one place that is easy to find. Maybe there should be a sticky post with only one postingvand only updated - not added to - from time to time - only by the forum admin...
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yes, thats a good idea.
Really there are way too many threads dealing with these issues. Two or three new ones at least pop up every day. As far as I know, there is currently nobody actually working on the drivers. I was, but after putting about a 100 hours in porting the LG KS20 drivers, ultimately without success, I focussed my efforts towards the website. Porting these drivers is most likely not impossible, but it's not an easy task and I personally only know of one person here on XDA who may possibly pull it off and this person does not have one of the affected devices, and even if she did, it might still take a long time to do.
In the meantime, progress is being made with the website, news coverage everywhere, and a lot going on behind the scenes that we honestly cannot say 'out loud'.
Let's first see what the update HTC keeps telling us about brings. And if you need to get rid of bounty money, I would say giving a fair part of it to those of us who have put all this effort and time into making it happen would not be unfair
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Really there are way too many threads dealing with these issues. Two or three new ones at least pop up every day. As far as I know, there is currently nobody actually working on the drivers. I was, but after putting about a 100 hours in porting the LG KS20 drivers, ultimately without success, I focussed my efforts towards the website. Porting these drivers is most likely not impossible, but it's not an easy task and I personally only know of one person here on XDA who may possibly pull it off and this person does not have one of the affected devices, and even if she did, it might still take a long time to do.
In the meantime, progress is being made with the website, news coverage everywhere, and a lot going on behind the scenes that we honestly cannot say 'out loud'.
Let's first see what the update HTC keeps telling us about brings. And if you need to get rid of bounty money, I would say giving a fair part of it to those of us who have put all this effort and time into making it happen would not be unfair
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not enough threads IMO
Guys, I can make this thread sticky too if you promise it'll be a catch-all thread, eferring to all the other, referred threads.
But it does not look good for us. I think we're going to have to rely on developers to release drivers for us, not HTC
"HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats," reads the official response, in part. Furthermore, the company has officially confirmed that Imageon drivers are not in use on the affected devices, but that it "plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support."
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Link
Then its final. no more HTC for me as this will be my last HTC device.
HTC you ruined my day. . . Well, I think that means they want a huge money donation to enable them. . .
Yeah no more HTC for me. Everyone who wanted the driver issues fix should agree that when they buy their next PPC make sure it's not an HTC
Fantastic. Perfect. Top notch. [/sarcasm]
So, in light of problems being fixed as they should be, the new issue is with what to replace the Kaiser?
Where oh where is the M8??
What they basically said is that "yea, we know there is no hardware acceleration, but if you really want it you are going to have to give us even more money by buying our next gen handset, bc we aren't fixing it in this one".
I used to rave about my 8125 to everyone. It's too bad HTC is taking the position they are. Never again will I buy a product from HTC or recommend them to anyone else. My next handset will be from i-mate.
yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
Okay, so whos up for a nice class action lawsuit? I'm totally willing to try running HTC into the ground with one.
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yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
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i-mate just annoced last week that they are going back to HTC as the ODM of their phones. I-mate had tried (or was trying with) some other ODMs and it didn't pan out, so they are going back to HTC. If you don't want HTC, then don't buy any future i-mates either....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/palm-i-mate-others-moving-manufacturing-contracts-back-to-htc/
I think we now need a sticky thread stating "Dont buy HTC products unless you've had your brain removed"
Certainly depending upon who commented to Engadget, we dont know how seriously to take this. But it does look bleak
We all know the existing drivers suck, the phone is buggy
and more to the point for a "premium" product, it doesnt fulfill some functions its predecessors could (its slower than my 3 yr old Wizard at scrolling, camera and opening/closing)
The standard, 'we already got your money response'...
Maybe it would be prudent for a written complaint to the carriers now, if they blow this off on this handset, what makes you think there won't be anything wrong with the next? Maybe they are making a promise on the next? Any takers?
?Glitch
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yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
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That they do. they are actually releasing a kaiser killer very soon - the Ultimate 9502
It uses the exact same chipset as the Kaiser, but I'm guessing it has drivers for hardware acceleration too. It has the same specs as the kaiser (GPS, HSDPA, etc, etc) and features a VGA screen.
Beat me to the 9502. Link - http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502
snif...
ah well, here's looking forward to the
toshiba g920
http://www.slashphone.com/111/9012.html
or the imate 9502
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/10/imate_9502_handson.html
or whenever the he77 apple gets a 3g stick out of their a$$.
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i-mate just annoced last week that they are going back to HTC as the ODM of their phones. I-mate had tried (or was trying with) some other ODMs and it didn't pan out, so they are going back to HTC. If you don't want HTC, then don't buy any future i-mates either....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/palm-i-mate-others-moving-manufacturing-contracts-back-to-htc/
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ah, craptastic.
well, maybe the linux-palm? or go retro and ditch the convergence altogether?
" In response to recent customer complaints about poor video performance on HTC devices based on the latest Qualcomm MSM7xxx chipsets, HTC is providing the following statement.
HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware.
HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smart phones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats.
HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support. "
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this whole statement is very ambiguous and does not state that support for imageon drivers aren't possible on current devices. i think its a pr statement and doesn't reflect what their software team is doing. its very opened ended and we could have support for acceleration but we couldn't as well. this statement doesn't tell us that.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361580
So htc said that the devices with the latest qualcomm chipsets would have 3d acceleration, but they dont. Has anyone pointed this out before. Im not a tytn ii owner, but ive been following the news, since i wanted one for myself.
But, is this false advertising, saying it will have hardware acceleration and then not giving it, and saying it will never be given in an update.
I think the 9502 is where im going too, we just need a forum on XDA for it.
Rory
Back to palm for me!!!
Guilf said:
Beat me to the 9502. Link - http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502
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I wonder if the keyboard is comfortable.
Also, let's say I purchase this phone in March. Would HTC get any of that profit?
I agree with BlueCop, and why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Where there's a demand, drivers will follow - their source is just unclear at the moment.
Ok, so i have read a lot about the sluggishness of the kaiser and everyone saying that its crap.
Did HTC announce that there is no 3D acceleration hardware inside the Kaiser unlike the the Hermes with its ATI imageon chip.
If so what good are drivers if the hardware isnt there in the first place! or am I being dumb.
We don't know what HTC is doing. But there doing it wrong. They gonna loose many costemers cause of this. Hope there will be a fix in February/March.
And yes they said it does not support 3d. (While they said in a press release: They signed Qualcomm cause of the 3d support )
so drivers arent going to make a difference then are they?
thats what I dont understand, whilst its slow at changing the screen orientation, I dont really have any other issues with this device!
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so drivers arent going to make a difference then are they?
thats what I dont understand, whilst its slow at changing the screen orientation, I dont really have any other issues with this device!
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But the Qualcomm chip apparently has 3D... and try scrolling and/or TomTom
yeah ive been reading up on this chipset, the qualcomm MSM7200, does this mean that the people on this forum brand these phones as "rubbish"
HTC Wings
Toshiba Portege G920
HTC P6550
HTC Omni
HTC Nike
HTC Poliaris
HTC Erato
HTC Siruis
LG KS20
Every variant of the HTC Kaiser?
Please add the HTC shift to this list since it too uses the MSM7200 chipset
andaroo said:
yeah ive been reading up on this chipset, the qualcomm MSM7200, does this mean that the people on this forum brand these phones as "rubbish"
HTC Wings
Toshiba Portege G920
HTC P6550
HTC Omni
HTC Nike
HTC Poliaris
HTC Erato
HTC Siruis
LG KS20
Every variant of the HTC Kaiser?
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Have you read http://HTCClassAction.org? Most of this driver blurb is on there.