After many messages and interaction with CoreCodec, I have given up.
Coreplayer on the Fuze, TP, Diamond, and Touch HD from all accounts absolutely sucks.
I have tried to get CoreCodec personnel to discuss when a fix is coming for newer devices. He dances around the topic like Fred Astaire. He won't admit that CorePlayer does not perform as advertised and expected for these newer MSM72## devices, yet CoreCodec is MORE THAN WILLING to take the money of people just discovering their software after purchasing their new HTC devices.
There have been forum bans, user deletes, message deletes, and more on their forums. People just want to know why they are getting hosed and when it might stop. There have even been postings from CoreCodec personnel about advances and the like for freakin Sony PlayStation 2's in response to our questions about our mobile devices.
Riiiiiiiight.........
SO- I say this:
Diamond, Raphael, and HD users BEWARE. Do Not spend your money on Coreplayer until we have proof version 2.0 works becaus as of now- Windows Media Player is kicking the crap out of CorePlayer when you encode your videos with these settings (Courtesy of Sketchy in the Diamond Forum):
Video Format: MPEG-4 AVC (saves as .mp4)
Resolution: 640x360 (still maintaining the original 16:9 AR)
Video bitrate: 1000 kbps
frame rate: 29.97 fps (progressive)
Audio format: AAC
Audio bitrate: 96 kbps, 48kHz sample rate
To prove it, I have placed this video on YouTube. Crank up the volume as the Fuze's speaker was abt 3 feet under my camcorder. You can clearly see how CorePlayer at this time is NOT worth your $$ (I should say they are stating that the new version that will fix these problems will be additional $$ if you buy their product now).
Here is the video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lf4xteVs8M
I should state I am NOT a new purchaser of CP. Had it since my Wizard. I am just pissed they are not addressing customer concerns nor answering questions when we ask. We just want decent playback.
If it takes a while, fine. Just be honest.
**MODS> I know sticking this probably isnt too cool, but people are getting screwed. Please consider this. Tnx.
And I've been deleted from the user base on their forums.. Heh!
k9tim said:
Video Format: MPEG-4 AVC (saves as .mp4)
Resolution: 640x360 (still maintaining the original 16:9 AR)
Video bitrate: 1000 kbps
frame rate: 29.97 fps (progressive)
Audio format: AAC
Audio bitrate: 96 kbps, 48kHz sample rate
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Out of curiosity, what apps do you use to convert videos to that format?
Use Super!
linky: http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html
Man they must have deleted a lot of stuff in their forums because the threads are all wishmaster replying to non existent posts lol. I am curious why bother with CP if WMP is doing such a good job?
BTW I remember CP being slow to get the video support on the Athena, actually it may never have fully supported the hardware on that device...
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Man they must have deleted a lot of stuff in their forums because the threads are all wishmaster replying to non existent posts lol. I am curious why bother with CP if WMP is doing such a good job?
BTW I remember CP being slow to get the video support on the Athena, actually it may never have fully supported the hardware on that device...
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It is sad actually. There were questions posted that were very simple to answer yet CoreCodec refused to do so.
I took screenshots of several of my posts knowing that they would get deleted. I'll post them tomorrow- I'm pretty wiped out from all the holiday stuff today.
All in all, I'm blown away at how little regard they have for their customer.
They have a pretty ignorant business model. I mean seriously- they portray their mobile player as the end all in the industry, yet they dont offer a trial period (oh no! people might figure out they aren't delivering what they promise depending on device) and they arent willing to let people know when they might be competitive with current apps that are... get ready for this...
INCLUDED IN THE WINDOWS MOBILE PACKAGE!!!!!
Wow!
Bad form, CoreCodec..... Bad Form!
I dont understand this thread tbh, ive been using coreplayer very happily since i got my raphael....a WIDE variety of video formats and they all play nicely....ive gotta ask are you still running a stock os??
I've also been running coreplayer since I got my Touch Pro, and for almost all videos I've tried (mostly DivX and XviD), it has performed remarkably well - I got coreplayer because WMP can't play (to my knowledge) videos requiring codecs like XviD and DivX, and most of the videos I watch are in those formats. I also tried DivX's mobile software, and that performed really poorly.
I'm always willing to try something new, so I will try converting some videos for WMP, but as far as I can tell, CP isn't giving me much of an issue at all.
The OP's point is well-taken, especially since Coreplayer doesn't have a trial ... but a little bit of due diligence would keep most people safe. TCPMP is kinda-sorta a trial ... the issue is Coreplayer is not optimized for the Raphael graphics acceleration hardware.
I do hope they manage to do it, then I'd purchase it.
Coreplayer is only good for XviD and DivX videos. When it comes to H.264 or its variants it sucks really bad. Only capable of playing half of the frames on average ( about 50% drops more or less). This is all based on my testing so far.
I am running v1.2.5 build 4506 for arm and the only issue I have is with flac files (no surprise). Even with a 500mhz cpu my phone has moments of complete silence as it tries to unfurl 30+mb songs.
I'm also running CorePlayer just fine. No problems whatsoever, and it outperforms WMP. I haven't tried the exact settings from your first post, but the normal desktop xvids work perfectly without having to transcode to a specific format for my raphael.
Make sure Qtv is enabled in Coreplayer (menu -> tools -> preferences -> select page -> qtv display -> tytn ii driver mode).
Btw, I'm not running stock ROM anymore. Maybe that makes a difference too.
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I'm also running CorePlayer just fine. No problems whatsoever, and it outperforms WMP. I haven't tried the exact settings from your first post, but the normal desktop xvids work perfectly without having to transcode to a specific format for my raphael.
Make sure Qtv is enabled in Coreplayer (menu -> tools -> preferences -> select page -> qtv display -> tytn ii driver mode).
Btw, I'm not running stock ROM anymore. Maybe that makes a difference too.
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No, I m still running the stock rom. At some point I'm sure I'll reflash, but I sure as hell am not going to because CP isnt up to the task of playing an mp4.
If you watch that video, you will see the various settings I used in CP and the result.
Maybe it is a Fuze issue (doubt it) but most of my vids are mp4 h264 (well they are now anyway) and CP just cant handle it.
It's not just my Fuze. Touch HD users are supposedly experiencing the same issue as are some Diamond owners.
The trick is that you wont see the complaints on the CoreCodec forums because posts are being deleted and people banned for "CorePlayer bashing".
I think that video speaks for itself.
Like VaThInk said: "Coreplayer is only good for XviD and DivX videos. When it comes to H.264 or its variants it sucks really bad. Only capable of playing half of the frames on average ( about 50% drops more or less). This is all based on my testing so far. "
Thats exactly what you are seeing in the video.
Fine- but if you are going to sell a app to someone with no trial then it better deliver. When it doesn't, then don't get pissed when those people want to know when it might.
Tap dancing around release dates for upgrades and then not being up front whether the upgrade is going to do anything (AFTER YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT-AGAIN!) to remedy a problem is simply not cool.
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The OP's point is well-taken, especially since Coreplayer doesn't have a trial ... but a little bit of due diligence would keep most people safe. TCPMP is kinda-sorta a trial ... the issue is Coreplayer is not optimized for the Raphael graphics acceleration hardware.
I do hope they manage to do it, then I'd purchase it.
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And I said exactly that on their forum- if it could deliver on the formats I use with an upgrade, I would gladly purchase the upgrade.
Don't get me wrong people- I did NOT buy CP for my Fuze. Had it since my wizard but my point is they are letting people purchase it then when they find out it is truly not doing what they say it will on these newer devices they say you will be able to BUY an upgrade soon.
When? They won't say. Will it be in the 1.30 upgrade? Won't Say.
2.0? Probably but won't say for sure.
The ONLY thing they WILL say for sure is that you will have to PAY all over again- thus the title of the thread: Buyer Beware.
slight update:
http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=961
yeah sucks that it is getting hammered by wmp but they are working on it and were the ones that gave us kaiser users the first bit of hope when it came to the vid driver issues there.
i have played files of the type you mentioned (although the only setting different is i use 1200kbps) and they run fine on my touch pro
ive used coreplayer for ages now and never use wmp, so cant comment on which is better
coreplayer has a few bugs (esp tv out) and support for graphics isnt that good (htc fault) so i cant wait for a new release with these issues fixed
I had similar issues with H.264 vodcasts and Coreplayer. I thought I would have to reencode them, or subscribe to a different feed, but I happened to select one in WMP on the Fuze, and was very surprised to see it worked there, since it would not play better than 1-3fps on Coreplayer.
I love coreplayer and have no problems whatsoever, it is way better than wmp.
If you have problems with CorePlayer try different ROM or at least different video drivers. Try to put this to \windows
Code:
http://rapidshare.com/files/168326876/d3dm_ati.rar
I am playing full DivX DVD RIPs on my Raphael (ca. 800MB per movie) and it runs flawlessly even during fast actions.
Hey folks, I'm curious- Would it be fair to say that a lot of us (myself included) originally purchased CorePlayer because of the wealth of different formats it would play?
In other words letting us use one player to play our multimedia so we didnt have to take the time to re-encode the files?
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Can any one advice me how to improve the video quality in WMP 10 on the Tytn II
Compared with my previous Tytn I, the movies & clips do not play fluid, though RAM and ROM are better, and no other programs are running.
Same Sd card, same movie which plaid well on 30 FPS format plays rather chunky on the Tytn II. Is the Qualcomm CPU lesser compliant than the old one or so?
Some Reg tweaks to perform? (and which tweaker to use / download from where?)
Thanks guys!
For Information: According to the data sheet of the chipset it is providing uncompromising video quality for Video capture and playback
(30 fps VGA - even for Messageing) http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf
Maybe, but i fear the drivers are not playing nice with the new chipset
I mean, i understand the problem with TCPMP, since is third party software and it stopped being developed (at least the freeware app), but it shouldn't be any problem with the shipped software, right?
Here is to hoping for an updated driver... GO HTC!
could this be why they say to use activesync to transfer everything onto the p4550? maybe its not optimised for it or something. but still shouldnt lag like that
Maybe it is a lame question, but does ActiveSync automatically converts video&/mp4 to a format more digestable by the device? Like SPB Mobile DVD?
my impressions
Hi !
I also noticed that video playback is kinda bad on the TyTN II, compared to my Prophet (overclocked to 260MHz). When using TCPMP and even Coreplayer, the DirectDraw rendering mode is about 3 times slower than Raw Framebuffer mode, which makes me believe that it's a DDraw / drivers issue. Since WMP 10 most likely uses DDraw, that's probably why the video is lagging...
So: If you use TCPMP / Coreplayer, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE DIRECT DRAW . If you use WMP 10, i have no idea if you can choose not to use DDraw.
It's still kinda weird that the TI OMAP 200Mhz (OC @ 260Mhz) on the Prophet performs about the same as the "ultra fast brand new never before seem" MSM7200 400MHz when it comes to raw power (again, ignore DDraw case, where Prophet is 3 times faster, that will be fixed soon... i hope...)
GL&HF
RPG0 said:
Hi !
I also noticed that video playback is kinda bad on the TyTN II, compared to my Prophet (overclocked to 260MHz). When using TCPMP and even Coreplayer, the DirectDraw rendering mode is about 3 times slower than Raw Framebuffer mode, which makes me believe that it's a DDraw / drivers issue. Since WMP 10 most likely uses DDraw, that's probably why the video is lagging...
So: If you use TCPMP / Coreplayer, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE DIRECT DRAW . If you use WMP 10, i have no idea if you can choose not to use DDraw.
It's still kinda weird that the TI OMAP 200Mhz (OC @ 260Mhz) on the Prophet performs about the same as the "ultra fast brand new never before seem" MSM7200 400MHz when it comes to raw power (again, ignore DDraw case, where Prophet is 3 times faster, that will be fixed soon... i hope...)
GL&HF
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Have noticed the same thing. Using corecodec rawfb is the best option. Having said that I can watch h.264 AVC encoded at 400KBPS no problem. On my wizard watching anything other than DVI was pretty much impossible. So the processor has the power - we just need the drivers to back it up now.
Unfortunately this is the price you pay for being an early adopter. I imagine once the at&t version comes out drivers wont be long behind.
Don't people find a general slowness with the Kaiser? My old XDA Mini S OC'd to 260Mhz seemed so much quicker in many ways. The 400Mhz processor in the Kaiser is definitely quicker in some areas, but twice as quick as the old 200Mhz XDA? I think not. Here's hoping HTC release a new ROM soon. Bad news is I can't even see it on the HTC eClub site!!
Your MDA, running what? WM2003SE?
WM2003SE in general could be faster than WM5/6 because WM5/6 is Flash based. That means, the persistent storage. You wont loose your app when the battery is empty, but yeah you must pay the price.
UncleJimbo said:
Don't people find a general slowness with the Kaiser? My old XDA Mini S OC'd to 260Mhz seemed so much quicker in many ways. The 400Mhz processor in the Kaiser is definitely quicker in some areas, but twice as quick as the old 200Mhz XDA? I think not. Here's hoping HTC release a new ROM soon. Bad news is I can't even see it on the HTC eClub site!!
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RPG0 said:
Hi !
So: If you use TCPMP / Coreplayer, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE DIRECT DRAW . If you use WMP 10, i have no idea if you can choose not to use DDraw.
GL&HF
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TCMP should be the solution as clips / movie do not lag with this one. Even Direct draw enabled is OK.
Issue is that do not support AAC plug-in, making MP4 movies useless.
Anyone tweaking the reg, or waiting for new drivers for this video performance issue?
(i do not supose HTC thinks that 3g standard should be used no? )
ceevee369 said:
TCMP should be the solution as clips / movie do not lag with this one. Even Direct draw enabled is OK.
Issue is that do not support AAC plug-in, making MP4 movies useless.
Anyone tweaking the reg, or waiting for new drivers for this video performance issue?
(i do not supose HTC thinks that 3g standard should be used no? )
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I'm pretty sure DirectDraw is 3 times slower.
Can you please benchmark on a clip with and without DDraw ?
I would really want to know if there are ROMs out there with DDraw fixed
BTW: this is KAISER SPECIFIC, does not apply to other PPCs afaik
Hello.
There is exactly the same pb on my new LG KS20 (MSM 7200 chip too)
I can't read video or play game with a decent frame rate
2 months later and still no fix for the slow performance in Video.
I installed the Coreplayer, took 2 weeks to play around with all settings, though no big changes. Directdraw enabled play s "OK". (no dither)
I guess the best thing to do is to ask CorePlayer which settings fit best on the Tytn II
It's all because of the missing video driver the the Qaualcomm 7200 chipset, if I watch a video on my Tytn 2 with TCMP using direct draw the fps feel 10 fps, now my original Touch with the 201mhz Omap 850 cpu plays the same video with direct draw very smoothly
We need video drivers
Radeon123 said:
It's all because of the missing video driver the the Qaualcomm 7200 chipset, if I watch a video on my Tytn 2 with TCMP using direct draw the fps feel 10 fps, now my original Touch with the 201mhz Omap 850 cpu plays the same video with direct draw very smoothly
We need video drivers
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I hope you signed the petition to HTC yes?
i forward the link to the petition to Cnet Asia. Hope they will make some noise!
Yes I signed the petition, read the petition post, glad HTC are aware of it
Radeon123 said:
Yes I signed the petition, read the petition post, glad HTC are aware of it
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Aware? Maybe, but do they care?
Maybe I'm the fly in the ointment but I have created lots of mp4 files from my normal video and use wm player and everythings great. Sorry
j1ngles said:
Maybe I'm the fly in the ointment but I have created lots of mp4 files from my normal video and use wm player and everythings great. Sorry
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Which MP4 convertor did you use and what is the FPS now? on 30, things become nasty, though 10 is stable.
I have neithe isues with small videoclips, though playing an AVI or MPEG file directly (712mb) is crappy for sure
ceevee369 said:
TCMP should be the solution as clips / movie do not lag with this one. Even Direct draw enabled is OK.
Issue is that do not support AAC plug-in, making MP4 movies useless.
Anyone tweaking the reg, or waiting for new drivers for this video performance issue?
(i do not supose HTC thinks that 3g standard should be used no? )
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TCPMP DOES support AAC with a plug-in that they are not allowed to host any more. It, however, is considerably worse than the one in CorePlayer.
If you do need it, I dig up the download URL of the AAC plug-in for you.
Don't get any of your hopes up, CorePlayer will solve nothing for us:
First of all, what they "fix" will only work inside Coreplayer
And second:
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=596.15
page 2, second post, blue one:
"ok... so let me clarify... so its a little of BOTH to be true in that... we _ARE_ using HW overlay with the qtv drivers for the color conversion and bilinear zooming and we are _NOT_ using the builtin mpeg4 hw decoder."
So they only fix the problem which made our kaiser slower (about 3 times slower) than all similar devices when using DirectDraw... you know the issue, we were going around it by using Raw Framebuffer in Tcpmp
What this means: they found a workaround for a bug in the Kaiser, they do not have video drivers, they do not have 3D drivers.
I wish it wasn't so... but it is
And this needs a new thread because?
This has been covered in the driver development thread, and the CorePlayer thread. Yes, we know it's not the mythical new driver set that will bring about world peace and cure famine, but for anyone who wants to watch decent video on their Kaiser it's a solution for now.
Sorry if i'm bloating the forum, but i keep seeing threads on the first page about this, and was hoping to put an end to it all
Thank you for your clarification! This clears up the situation
I was really hoping they would be accessing the hw acceleration of decoding as well :/
Well, I just wanted to ask something very odd.
In my HTC Tytn I (Hermes) using black satin rom,
coreplayer 1.2 plays videos with very slow performqnce whatever
the settings, but when I try benchmarking it plays smoothly and gives
125% using rawbuffer.
I ve reached to a point here i will watch the movies in benchmark mode...
Redundant Thread.
And with a mighty
[Thwomp]
The Colossal Hammer of Closure
ends the life of yet another redundant thread...
Hey guys
Title says it all
I was wondering, after all the new drivers that have been released and all the discussions has any1 actually been able to use the Kaiser as a decent video player??
Ive been trying, tweaking Core Player, trying different drivers, different setting when i encode etc etc... But i cant get the video to play smoothly! I still get "tearing" between scenes... Its just not a pleasure to watch
Anyone else had more luck of late??
Try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357330
So i guess then the short answer is... No??
I see that Core Player has its own codec or whatever it is, meant specially for the Qualcomm CPU, to try and get adequate video performance out of it... But for some reason when i use "video output QTV" i just get a purple block on the screen and audio!!!
Of the remaining options, Directdraw, raw framebuffer and GDI, does any1 know what the pros and cons are? Do any seem to work better than the rest??
Will try the MP4 tip tonight and see if it helps!
I can play YouTube stuff just fine on my Tilt with the newest TCPMP. Haven't tried other stuff yet.
randomguy321 said:
So i guess then the short answer is... No??
I see that Core Player has its own codec or whatever it is, meant specially for the Qualcomm CPU, to try and get adequate video performance out of it... But for some reason when i use "video output QTV" i just get a purple block on the screen and audio!!!
Of the remaining options, Directdraw, raw framebuffer and GDI, does any1 know what the pros and cons are? Do any seem to work better than the rest??
Will try the MP4 tip tonight and see if it helps!
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I use coreplayer version 1.2.2 and QTV display driver delivers up to 70% better performance than TCPMP. Try to find a solution to your problem on coreplayer forum.
Where did you get the 70% number from?
Im not sure if this helps...but
I converted a few movies that I had downloaded a while back thru windows media player...I think Pulp Fiction or something. It played just fine. Great video, great audio, good synchronization. Really impressive. All this on AT&T Tilt.
Keep working on it or flash a ROM since most have the support u need to watch the video. Honestly, u would probably benefit from reading the forums for about flashing a ROM than to mess with new codecs and other drivers.
Have u tried downloading TCPMP and core player. Install both. Then open TCPMP in background. Now open ur windows media player and try to play a video.
Now if u can stream videos from ninjavideo.net ur doing better than I
Cheers
-ac
Found this on the CorePlayer forums....Seems ambiguous at best...
http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1044
It seems that they have an option to enable "TyTN II driver mode" but they dont actually support the processor in the TyTN II...Odd!!
Apparently version 1.2.5 has a fix for the black screen in QTV mode (on WM 6.1 ROMs) does any1 have 1.2.5 to verify this??
That's right, they've fixed it.
randomguy321 said:
Found this on the CorePlayer forums....Seems ambiguous at best...
http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1044
It seems that they have an option to enable "TyTN II driver mode" but they dont actually support the processor in the TyTN II...Odd!!
Apparently version 1.2.5 has a fix for the black screen in QTV mode (on WM 6.1 ROMs) does any1 have 1.2.5 to verify this??
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ChumleyEX said:
Where did you get the 70% number from?
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There's a benchmark option in coreplayer. Play an avi file first on QTV driver and then on Rawframe buffer you'll see the difference. Than if you're still not convinced you can play the same file in TCPMP on rawframebuffer and compare the results.
Youtube w/ the new manilla 2d works flawlessly for me, as does any .flv i just plop on the phone (without re-encoding). Streaming mobitv is a bit laggy. But other then that my video runs great. For awhile quicksilverscreen was working str8 off the website too. (seems to not be working atm however).
I installed no new video drivers or anything just manilla2d. .flv has always worked since i installed the tmpg stuff.
Yes I Can!!!!
Just installed Core Player 1.25 and it works PERFECTLY!!!!
QTV works in the new ROMs in V1.25 and it plays my videos perfectly! Benchmarking, my frame rates arent much different to the RAW buffer, but the videos visually play better, there is no tearing as scenes change, they look great....
V1.25 does the trick!!!
randomguy321 said:
Just installed Core Player 1.25 and it works PERFECTLY!!!!
QTV works in the new ROMs in V1.25 and it plays my videos perfectly! Benchmarking, my frame rates arent much different to the RAW buffer, but the videos visually play better, there is no tearing as scenes change, they look great....
V1.25 does the trick!!!
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could you help a noob out, maybe with download links or something...
first of all, what is QTV? is it better than tcpmp? how do I get youtube videos to work? what is v1.25? I am using duttys 6.1 rom, this will work on my phone right?
sorry for all the questions.
brilliantslide said:
could you help a noob out, maybe with download links or something...
first of all, what is QTV? is it better than tcpmp? how do I get youtube videos to work? what is v1.25? I am using duttys 6.1 rom, this will work on my phone right?
sorry for all the questions.
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here is what i think of from the top of my head...qtv is one of the options in the video driver selection in Coreplayer...Coreplayer is the paid version of tcpmp...From my experience, it really smoothens out the transition of scenes in this mode, but it also depends on how the video is encoded I think, coz' the movies I had encoded much earlier which i used with my treo 650 were still choppy even with the qtv display....But my recent acquisition, Ironman, it plays quite flawlessly...
v 1.25 refers to the latest version of Coreplayer, which fixes most of the bugs of earlier version...You can scope it out at corecodec.com, but sadly there is no trial version for it though so if you really want to watch and play videos on your tilt, it might be worth it for you...
As to the youtube videos, you can either:
Buy and use Coreplayer
Download the Youtube player extracted from the opal
Use the recomp version of tcpmp, the orginal won't work on the 6.1 so look for the recomp
Or if you wanna show off a bit on the bus or something, download opera 9.5 and flashlite 3.1, The flash vid will play as a part of the web page....
well, i bought an X1 about 3 weeks ago and it is undoubtedly the best phone i have ever owned, the only problem i am having with it is the video playback.
Since i download DIVx movies, i would like to just stick them in my X1 and watch them at full speed. I tried using core player but since it is not hardware accelerated, i could only watch the movies in medium quality which is MUCH worse than the high quality and if i set at high quality i get only 80% speed.
And i see people trying to get the best possible conversion settings in order to be able to play high quality videos on the Media Panel or on Media Player. I find this useless since it takes FOREVER to actually convert videos and since i have so many, it would be a very tedious task.
I have a possible solution for this and i have no clue how to actually do this so this is my request to the brilliant developers here,
Is there a way to actually get the divx codec somehow from the samsung omnia and port it to other devices like X1 and seveal HTCs??? I mean i think it is theoretically possible since ppl have actualy gotten the Omnia ATI drivers right???
Hope this works!!!
I guess you could just download the divx mobile player from
http://labs.divx.com/MobileCommunity
I haven't used it in x1 but I did use it in the touch pro. I did not like the speed. As it wasn't my phone, I didn't bother to do any tweaks. I think it will be fine on the x1.
maybe i can help
khalilsemaan said:
well, i bought an X1 about 3 weeks ago and it is undoubtedly the best phone i have ever owned, the only problem i am having with it is the video playback.
Since i download DIVx movies, i would like to just stick them in my X1 and watch them at full speed. I tried using core player but since it is not hardware accelerated, i could only watch the movies in medium quality which is MUCH worse than the high quality and if i set at high quality i get only 80% speed.
And i see people trying to get the best possible conversion settings in order to be able to play high quality videos on the Media Panel or on Media Player. I find this useless since it takes FOREVER to actually convert videos and since i have so many, it would be a very tedious task.
I have a possible solution for this and i have no clue how to actually do this so this is my request to the brilliant developers here,
Is there a way to actually get the divx codec somehow from the samsung omnia and port it to other devices like X1 and seveal HTCs??? I mean i think it is theoretically possible since ppl have actualy gotten the Omnia ATI drivers right???
Hope this works!!!
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well there are a lot of factors here, and im certainly no expert, but ill give this a whirl...
i have had my xperia for just about a month now and i have been watching divx movies on my coreplayer at high video quality flawlessly. or so i thought.. I watched some pretty fast paced movies too, like the matrix... and they seemed fine to me. again i dont know if any of my suggestions will make anydifference, or even be relavent to you, but i figured i could at least try to help. I will share what i found in general with my x1 and the core player
1. the x1 is highly tweakable in so many ways. I dont know how much youve looked around at how people are speeding it up using sktools, or the now famous storage card accelerator, but these things really do help. you should try them and see if you get any improvement. here is the link to the thread where this is all going down... to make it simple.. get skt tools, optimize, and get the sd card accelerator... the rest you can mess with at your own pace, but this will give you a big start.... anyway if you havent tried this stuff.. it may help..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459328&highlight=show
2. god knows the coreplayer has so many $*$#* options... but here is something i noticed deep in the canyons of the player after my core player was bogging down horrendously for apparently no reason.... i have a lot of files on my sd card, and when i first opened the core player... the first few times even.. it lagged so much i couldnt figure out why... then i realized it was trying to scan my sd card and it wasnt really teling me it was doing this... there is an option that comes selected as default that tells the coreplayer to scan for files for its library on startup... if you have thousands of files like i did, and you didnt realize it was trying to build a library, like i didnt, and you opend and closed it several times... ok you get the point.. once it finally built its library, i found the option to turn off the auto scan, and boom,... suddenly it was working much much faster
3. i dont know if this makes any difference whatsoever, but i have an x1i, and i bet you do too, but if you have an x1a, there may be video playback differences in these "international" and "US" models that could be a factor too.
im guessing that what you are referring to, and what i have posted may not even relate, but it never hurts to try. FYI i just benchmarked for a minute or so while watching a divx movie and it read average somewhere in the 80% range... i dont know what that means, but the movie seemed to be plaing perfectly...
div x player
just tried the divx player to see how it compared to the core player...
core player works much better.... divx player was quite choppy.
maybe im missing something.. and i probably am, but the core player seems to be playing the divx movies perfectly at high quality
well, i have tried the divx player and it is absolute crap compared to coreplayer
benchmarking at 80 percent means that u skip about 1-2 frames every second. now might sound like much but i notice it and it is very annying. yes i have tried all the things u mentioned but did not notice much change except for with the memory card booster.
also the media panel and media player are hardware accelerated which means that they make use of the onboard ati graphics chip. coreplayer is not. also imagine watching a divx movie on the media panel wouldnt that be cool?? with the great interface and the speed and smoothness of the bond trailer?? i would very much like that. hope someone can get the codec somehow!
i see
thanks for the education. i guess ignorance was bliss on my part..
i hope we do find a solution here. any idea why the downloaded divx player works so poorly? maybe its tweakable?
I guess it simply sucks. Coreplayer is best player, and unfortunately by far margin. Unfortunately because there is low chance any other player will popup soon. Sooner or later Coreplayer will find a way to follow current devices.
Btw. be sure you use Coreplayer with TytnII qTV driver (should be default settings for 1.3). You can also disable AVC filter and high quality zoom. Other then that nothing really has effect on the playback speed.
The best player.
But almost half new movies are in AC3 format.
And CorePlayer don't support AC3.
core player team claim that they will support all qtv shipset in version 2
so just have to wait a litte while
ahhhhh thanks fo the info Tywith, thats definitely something to look forward to. i mean if im not mistaken, the TytnII does not have an ati chipset built in. having support for qtv chipset dedicated to XPERIA will definitely make it run smoother
all we have to do is wait.
Look at this sticky: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467590
If you convert your movies to mp4 you can play your movies using media player with hardware acceleration. You can create a joblist to convert multiple movies when you're sleeping
If you wanna use CorePlayer with hardware acceleration, use the DirectDraw in
Settings > Video. I've tried it and it works perfectly. It really takes full advantage of the Adreno 200 GPU (ATI 3D chip) and CPU.
Hammerhead89 said:
If you wanna use CorePlayer with hardware acceleration, use the DirectDraw in
Settings > Video. I've tried it and it works perfectly. It really takes full advantage of the Adreno 200 GPU (ATI 3D chip) and CPU.
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Maybe it takes full advantage of the Adreno 200, but Xperia X1 has Adreno 130 which is much weaker than 200
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Maybe it takes full advantage of the Adreno 200, but Xperia X1 has Adreno 130 which is much weaker than 200
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DAmn!!!! But still works nice!!
Hammerhead89 said:
DAmn!!!! But still works nice!!
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which version of coreplayer are you using?
1.3.6 didn't have hw-acceleration for playback. sure, on a good rom and with video-files not being too demanding, playback was nice -> sw-playback. but it didn't support our hw directly. and from what i can see, 1.3.6 is the last version for winmo.
btw, funny to see they closed forums on their site. probably too many threads "when will you finally deliver what you promised?" and accuses of coreguy producing vaporware...
hey people ive spent weeks trying to play a smooth video on my x1 so far everything i done had failed whether it was wmp or tcpmp or even coreplayer,read almost every post tried almost every converter and pretty still stuck seems as if my old tytn plays videos smoother so i can only hope coreplayer releases a new version soon! if anyone knows anything please post thanks
Zeyn Karim said:
hey people ive spent weeks trying to play a smooth video on my x1 so far everything i done had failed whether it was wmp or tcpmp or even coreplayer,read almost every post tried almost every converter and pretty still stuck seems as if my old tytn plays videos smoother so i can only hope coreplayer releases a new version soon! if anyone knows anything please post thanks
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What ROM do you use?
I am able to play the Bond trailer (.mp4) without problems, with WMP and TCPMP.
Link to TCPMP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634951
im using the pheonix rom build 56502 WWE. is this tcpmp any better than the latest coreplayer? because so far coreplayer played videos better than wmp and tcpmp although it was still laggy maybe it's my drivers but im using the omina driver and get a better benchmark than the rest with sktools 792 to be exact
i've been using the video encoder provided in the sticky and it has by far surpassed all other video encoders that i've used. it takes advantage of the hardware acceleration in the X1 but the only video app that uses it is WMP and the Media Panel.
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i've been using the video encoder provided in the sticky and it has by far surpassed all other video encoders that i've used. it takes advantage of the hardware acceleration in the X1 but the only video app that uses it is WMP and the Media Panel.
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I don't know bout you but using that encoder takes 6 to 7 hours and sometimes it freezes, I don't have the time and patience for that. @ Zeyn Karim I have a collection of video drivers that might maybe improve your performance. Not 100% sure it will but I guess it won't hurt to try.
tried and failed with that converter lol even waited a whole night to encode only to be dissapointed the next morning.
anyway thanks guys for the support and drivers will run couple tests and let ya know the results hopefully this will solve my problem not sure why but my media player doesn't seem to run as good as everyone claims it does, i should remove the omina driver lets hope that's the problem
tried every driver and no luck! looks like i'll never be able to watch anything on my xperia! so i give up! stupid coreplayer! what's taking them so long! been reading up and looks like they rather work on the stupid UI instead of focus on HW support! i don't care if coreplayer looks crap! only thing i want is a smooth crisp video is that too much to ask! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Yeah I'm kinda disappointed as well. I was watching a lot of videos on my old wm 5.0 smartphone but the Xperia fails. I activated "Raw FrameBuffer" and videos got smoother - still don't think thats what you are looking for...(only tried out fairly low quality movies...)
Zeyn Karim said:
tried every driver and no luck! looks like i'll never be able to watch anything on my xperia! so i give up! stupid coreplayer! what's taking them so long! been reading up and looks like they rather work on the stupid UI instead of focus on HW support! i don't care if coreplayer looks crap! only thing i want is a smooth crisp video is that too much to ask! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684106
This version of TCMP I get video playback in GDI mode very smooth I watched Shutter Island on it with no lag.
Yeah,my old tytn may not have been the best phone in the world but atleast i could watch some of my favourite shows whenever i felt like.
thanks viper89 will test out the tcpmp,glad to see youve been watching something on your x1,can you please state which encoder you used and are you also using the omina driver?
Zeyn Karim said:
Yeah,my old tytn may not have been the best phone in the world but atleast i could watch some of my favourite shows whenever i felt like.
thanks viper89 will test out the tcpmp,glad to see youve been watching something on your x1,can you please state which encoder you used and are you also using the omina driver?
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I actually didn't encode the video, I don't watch movies that much so I really don't bother with encoding and the one that is stickied takes ages to encode . The video drivers that are installed in my phone are:Chainfire-HD2-3D-Driver-Patch-2.0( not sure if this has any effect in are phones),Chainfire-TG01-D3DM( not sure if this any effect either lol),Driver_Ati d3d, SJ SamsungOmnia_Driver_D3D and optxperiabeta02( It makes the sound in the X1 louder but it also said that it changes the video driver to.)
Wow you installed all of them! what's your benchmark with sktools? and does the "optxperiabeta02" damage your speaker in any way? if not could you please post it thanks,Is it a noticable difference?
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Wow you installed all of them! what's your benchmark with sktools? and does the "optxperiabeta02" damage your speaker in any way? if not could you please post it thanks,Is it a noticable difference?
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My Sktool benchmark is: Integer 331, Floating Point 7.71, Draw Bitmaps 656. Also a important fact is it also depends on your rom Stock or none Stock and if it's 6.1 or 6.5 and if your running Sense 2.5 in your rom(which I am), so my stats most likely would be higher in a stock 6.1 rom. I've had my phone for 8 month and been using optxperiabeta02 for 7 month and no speaker damage. And it makes a hell of a noticeable difference lol.
my benchmark is integer 331, floating point 7.47 ,ram access 1519 , draw bitmaps 800 , main write 11070 ,main read 17066 still have no idea why im having video problems.by the way im running 6.1 with manilla 2.5 sense
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my benchmark is integer 331, floating point 7.47 ,ram access 1519 , draw bitmaps 800 , main write 11070 ,main read 17066 still have no idea why im having video problems.by the way im running 6.1 with manilla 2.5 sense
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Hmm draw bitmaps 800 nice. It might because your on 6.1 oppose to my 6.5. Your still having videos problems playing videos in GDI mode in TCMP?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/
showthread.php?t=684106 havnt got a chance to test yet but will try as soon as i get time did you try kinoma play? im interested to find out hows the playback. damn coreplayer if only they would support our HW id would be so awesome!
Guys there is really a simple answer to this thread: There is only one solution for decent video playback on Xperia X1. Convert your movies to mp4 (h264 avc codec, max. resolution 800 * 480, bitrate 600 kbps) and play them in WMP or Media Xperience Panel (I prefer the latter). You can either use the converter provided by xda (projection) or any other software that supports this codec. There might be some differences in duration of a convertion and it is definitely dependant on your computer's specs (processor) but generally converting videos is a time consuming task and 6 - 7 hours isn't really inappropriate for entire movies (2-3 hours). Everything else won't work. Coreplayer, Pocketplayer, Kinoma etc. do not support hw acceleration and thus 480 * 320 is the maximum resolution that can be played back using those players. If you want high quality movies (what is definitely possible on the Xperia X1) you will have to face convertion to the right format. There aren't any drivers that do miracles and there aren't any insider tips. Only convertion will do the trick.
thank you altae for those bad/good news
Maybe I'm missing something. I've never had any problems playing videos or movies on my X1. Just rewatched Princess Blade on it the other day, in fact.
The truth can sometimes be hard But let's stay serious: It's a pity that WMP or Media Xperience Panel do not support more codecs especially the very widely used xvid/dvix codecs.
But the positive news are: It's definitely possible to play high quality movies as long as they are in the right format. And for all the short videos you would like to show a friend you have always the possibility to play divx/xvid movies in 480 * 320 which isn't that bad for this purpose.