Hi there everybody,
its Christmas time and I am going to buy myself a present, new PC. I need your opinions on the hardware that I have chosen. If u have something of it just tell me if u are satisfied with it or not.
OK, here it is:
CPU: intel core 2 quad Q6600
MB: ASUS P5Q PRO
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX260 CUDA 896 MB HTDP PCX
CASE: NZXT ALPHA
POWER: ATX CoolerMaster M620
Two more questions, the MB is supporting crossfire, but I have older nviadia that is supporting SLI technology, would it be possible to use the SLI technology with the nvidia 260?
What about the power source? How big it should be? Isnt 620W too much?
Thanks a lot in advance for your input.
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Hey all,
I am putting a HTPC together that will primarily be used with XBMC, but also be used to browse the internet and download films via lovefilm.com. Here is what I am considering...
AMD Llano A8-3800
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a8-3800.html
Gigabyte Motherboard - AMD A75, Socket FM1, DDR3 (GA-A75M-UD2H)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-358-GI&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2058
Corsair Vengeance 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-298-CS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1517
Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-368-WD&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=1953
OCZ ModXStream Pro 500w Silent
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-037-OC&tool=3
Lian Li Case (PC-C37B)
http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1194.html
For these simple tasks I am under the impression Llano will suffice. Should I be worried about the lack of a discrete GPU?
Also this will cost about £500 which is kind of pricey for a HTPC. Has anyone got any suggestions to reduce the price of the build?
Thanks for any feedback?
PSU and RAM is a bit overkill for a HTPC. Also, run LINUX if you wanna keep it low-powered. From what I hear, Llano has a great GPU but sucky CPU. It should suffice as a HTPC processor. I'd go for a lower end PSU and about 1GB RAM if Linux, 2GB if Windows.
Thanks for the good advice about the PSU and RAM.
I have heard that the LLano CPU is a little weak on other sites too. I was considering instead an Athlon II with dedicated graphics. It will cost a similar amount as this system.
I can even get the AsRock vision 3D for the same price...
http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Vision3D/index.asp?c=Main
There are just too many options...
edcoppen said:
Thanks for the good advice about the PSU and RAM.
I have heard that the LLano CPU is a little weak on other sites too. I was considering instead an Athlon II with dedicated graphics. It will cost a similar amount as this system.
I can even get the AsRock vision 3D for the same price...
http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Vision3D/index.asp?c=Main
There are just too many options...
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3D is overrated. I'm assuming that you:
1. Have a 3D HDTV.
2. Have the 3D glasses
3. Have a desire for headaches.
Also, a lot will depend on usage pattern/behaviour. If you are only using it for some browsing (assuming social networks, youtubes, reading forums like XDA, some degree of flash playing), the Llano should be more than sufficient. It will also serve well in a light gaming mode (we're talking COD:MW2 probably). And if you're running Linux, I'd say that bumping to 2GB will make it a behemoth when it comes to webapps.
That said and done, what I suggested (Linux build and bumping it to 2GB) will be more than sufficient for watching movies and some light browsing with webapps. The Llano is not good as a CPU, but it is a real kicker when it comes to making a no fuss dedicated system (although it sucks when it comes to making a good gaming PC). I believe that many sites actually view it as a high potential processor for HTPCs. Just remember to properly cool your rig (silent cooling FTW) when building your HTPC (my brother's sucked because he used a 9800GT).
So... building your own (if you have the expertise or can seduce/befriend someone with the expertise) will definitely yield savings, benefits and earn an essential geek badge.
Linux is out the question as my Dad (who will be using the HTPC) has used Windows all his life and will not learn another OS.
I get your point about the 3D and I have no intentions of using it for now... but it will be there for the future
I believe that both a LLano based system and the ASRock Vision 3D will fit the needs of a HTPC. As they cost a similar price and I am comfortable building my own system I have both options open to me.
I guess what it comes down to is which system is better... Llano with A75 chipset or i3 with HM55 chipset? Any opinions???
edcoppen said:
Linux is out the question as my Dad (who will be using the HTPC) has used Windows all his life and will not learn another OS.
I get your point about the 3D and I have no intentions of using it for now... but it will be there for the future
I believe that both a LLano based system and the ASRock Vision 3D will fit the needs of a HTPC. As they cost a similar price and I am comfortable building my own system I have both options open to me.
I guess what it comes down to is which system is better... Llano with A75 chipset or i3 with HM55 chipset? Any opinions???
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Llano.
It has similar processing powers to an i3, but trumps even an i7 when it comes to GPU power. As for 3D, when the glassless 3DTVs come out, the specs will be different. I get most of my home movies off the internet, and from what I understand, a Blu-Ray disc has about 20+GB on average on it, so go figure.
Thank you for the good advice. I am nearly ready to make my purchase. I have decided to go for a custom Llano based system pretty similar to the one outlined in the OP. I will follow the advice though to downgrade the PSU and ram. Just a few more questions pls...
I was hoping to avoid using a dedicated GPU but I just realised i'm not sure if the motherboard supports lossless bitstreaming. I have looked but couldnt find out. Here's the motherboard I have in mind...
http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_FM1/F1A75M/#specifications/#specifications
If this board doesn't support it I will probably get this GPU but I want to avoid it if possible...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-263-SP
Thanks again for the help so far!
This situation just got a whole load more confusing
It turns out that the only way to get lossless bitstreaming with a Llano-based system is to use a dedicated GPU. This kind of defies the whole point of going down the Llano route as its integrated graphics was one of it's key benefits. Seeing as everyone says the CPU performance of Llano system is underwhelming I am seriously reconsidering the whole build.
Instead I could base the build around the H55 chipset as this does support lossless bitstreaming. I could then use the superior CPU performance of an i3, but would still require dedicated graphics to escape crappy Intel HD2000.
Bearing in mind that bitstreaming is an essential part of the build what would you do?
Edit: the H55 path really limits things like SATA 6gb/s and USB 3.0
edcoppen said:
This situation just got a whole load more confusing
It turns out that the only way to get lossless bitstreaming with a Llano-based system is to use a dedicated GPU. This kind of defies the whole point of going down the Llano route as its integrated graphics was one of it's key benefits. Seeing as everyone says the CPU performance of Llano system is underwhelming I am seriously reconsidering the whole build.
Instead I could base the build around the H55 chipset as this does support lossless bitstreaming. I could then use the superior CPU performance of an i3, but would still require dedicated graphics to escape crappy Intel HD2000.
Bearing in mind that bitstreaming is an essential part of the build what would you do?
Edit: the H55 path really limits things like SATA 6gb/s and USB 3.0
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Hmmm... I'll need to do a little homework first... I'll get back to you regarding the lossless streams
edcoppen said:
This situation just got a whole load more confusing
It turns out that the only way to get lossless bitstreaming with a Llano-based system is to use a dedicated GPU. This kind of defies the whole point of going down the Llano route as its integrated graphics was one of it's key benefits. Seeing as everyone says the CPU performance of Llano system is underwhelming I am seriously reconsidering the whole build.
Instead I could base the build around the H55 chipset as this does support lossless bitstreaming. I could then use the superior CPU performance of an i3, but would still require dedicated graphics to escape crappy Intel HD2000.
Bearing in mind that bitstreaming is an essential part of the build what would you do?
Edit: the H55 path really limits things like SATA 6gb/s and USB 3.0
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Seems to me that using an AMD Phenom/Athlon with a dedicated GPU will be slightly cheaper., although the whole rig will never fit in that casing...
I have decided to rule out the Llano system due to the complications with lossless audio. This now leaves me with an i3 system or Athlon like you suggested.
For an Athlon system I saw these parts:
AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core 250 3.00GHz
Asus M4A88TD-M EVO/USB3 AMD 880G (Socket AM3)
These are cheaper than an i3 system for sure... as far as performance goes I am confident both the Athlon and i3 route is enough for a HTPC. I wonder about how their power consumption compares though?
edcoppen said:
I have decided to rule out the Llano system due to the complications with lossless audio. This now leaves me with an i3 system or Athlon like you suggested.
For an Athlon system I saw these parts:
AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core 250 3.00GHz
Asus M4A88TD-M EVO/USB3 AMD 880G (Socket AM3)
These are cheaper than an i3 system for sure... as far as performance goes I am confident both the Athlon and i3 route is enough for a HTPC. I wonder about how their power consumption compares though?
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AMD usually has a lower power profile than Intel, although if you underpowered your PC the processor will have to work REALLY hard to keep up... depends a lot.
Currently, an AMD-AMD setup for CPU and GPU combo is more efficient than an Intel-NVidia setup, although for the mid-range PCs, it might be different. A key component of power draw and power efficiency is actually your PSU. Most of the time, the PC will be on idle/low usage. Having an 80+ rated Gold or Platinum goes a loooooooong way towards saving power.
In terms of performance, the i3 does not have much benefit over AMD, because the good techs are limited to the i5s and i7s. AMD only differentiates the core count and superficial unlocks.
DISCLAIMER: A little late on this, but: I AM A HUGE AMD FAN. Not that I blow, but I really like AMD, and have been using AMD rigs for as long as I can remember.
Well I think I have come to a decision... again. Almost every component is different now. Here's my new selection of components:
Intel Core i3-2100T 2.5Ghz
MSI H67MA-E35 Intel H67
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 6670 1024MB
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
SilverStone Grandia GD04
OCZ StealthXStream2 400w Silent
I can get all of these for a round £500. Any last minute feedback from anyone before I buy it all would be much appreciated.
One thing that I didn't clarify with you. The service is movie streaming or downloading? Coz 1TB is mighty little for heavy downloading (trust me).
Although, from your setup, the parts look mighty fine to me. Just upgrade the CPU and GPU down the road and you'll have a mainstream gaming rig
Hello ..
Does anyone know what the difference between 1333MHz RAM and 1066MHz RAM is? what is best? and some who know about my Acer Aspire 4820 supports 1333 RAM, as these "Komputerbay 8GB (2x 4GB) DDR3 SODIMM (204 pin) 1333Mhz PC3 10600 8GB"
The Specifications on the RAM I have right now.
Memory Technology DDR3 SDRAM
Max. Memory Size 8 GB
RAM 4 GB
Memory Speed 1066 MHz
SO DIMM 204-pin
Configuration Features 2 x 2 GB
Ram 4 GB
Your Acer Aspire 4820 has Intel Core i7 620M or i5-450M Processor? if so, I doubt that it supports 1333 MHz.
Have a look here or here. Memory Types DDR3-800/1066
You can insert 1333MHz RAM card but it will down clock to 1066MHz.
Of course, more MHz = more speed but first CPU should support it.
Thank you.. But maybe I should have wrote more details about my PC.
It is a Model 4820-374G50Mnks and it only has a I3 Processor
Clock Speed 2.4 GHz
manufacturer Intel
Speed 2 to 2.9 Ghz
Type Core i3
Multi-Core 2 cores
Processornr. I3-370M
Still the same or?
Shakerz said:
Thank you.. But maybe I should have wrote more details about my PC.
It is a Model 4820-374G50Mnks and it only has a I3 Processor
Clock Speed 2.4 GHz
manufacturer Intel
Speed 2 to 2.9 Ghz
Type Core i3
Multi-Core 2 cores
Processornr. I3-370M
Still the same or?
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Thanks for more details but 370M is also same in regards to RAM support. DDR3-800/1066 and upto 8GB. look here.
Thanks for your quick answers, it was really helpful
Shakerz said:
Thanks for your quick answers, it was really helpful
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Glad I helped you.
If you go through Toms Hardware forums, you will find lots of helpful info's. Its the best forum out there. Notebook review is also great website when you buy a new laptops.
Thanks...
Best Regards
I'll take a look at it
Alright guys here's my PC Setup
HP 6214y:
MOBO: Pegatron m2n78-la (Violet) http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&docname=c01635734
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 620(2.6GHz) NO OC
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 6770 Single Slot ~ 850/1200 NO OC
PSU: 650W Antec Earthwatts
RAM: 8GB DDR2
HDD: 1TB WD & LaCie 2TB External HDD
Monitor: 20" HP 2009f
Now i know the motherboard lists as AM2 yet my HP is running the Athlon II x4 620 which that says is AM3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103706
So i was wondering if there is any Newer CPU i could run on this MOBO and if it would bottleneck my GPU?
So i had in mine the http://www.frys.com/product/7018861?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG which is 125w compared to my 95w Athlon II.
Any suggestions *i do not want to run Intel at all* So please no wars just need help, only your honest opinions on what i can do PLEASE & THANKS!
Newest amd socket is FM1, so I'm afraid you're limited to am3.
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Newest amd socket is FM1, so I'm afraid you're limited to am3.
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well under tech specs it says that the AMD FX 4170 under the link i provided says socket type is AM3+ so i still can run it?
If not what could you recommend because thats cheaper than the Phenom series and their higher clocked as well i mean factory clock speed is 4.2GHz Quad Core
So if my MOBO says it supports AM2+ that means it can run AM3 just not AM3+?
XxLostSoulxX said:
So if my MOBO says it supports AM2+ that means it can run AM3 just not AM3+?
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Possibly, it really depends on your bios if it can run am3 or not.
Posted by mah spudtacular killer tomato.
StormMcCloud said:
Possibly, it really depends on your bios if it can run am3 or not.
Posted by mah spudtacular killer tomato.
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Not sure what my bios is never updated never flashed lol.
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BUMP! Anybody???
Cmon please need help on deciding
Could I possibly run the the Amd Phenom II x4 960T?
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You can try asking here so that you don't keep bumping this thread.
I'm closing this because of the link I just provided. That's the thread for computer Q&A.
Just bought a PC for $550. Specs:
AMD Phenom 965
8GB Of G Skill DDr3 Memory, In dual channel mode
MSI 970A G-45 Motherboard with USB 3.0, Crossfire, UEFI BIOS(You can navigate the BIOS with a mouse), and many many other useful features
XFX 6950 Graphics Card.
Seagate Constellation SATA 3.0 Six GBPS 2 TB Hard Drive(2, 000 GB!!)
Cooler Master 600 Watt Power Supply
Okay, I can do just about everything on this PC(Play BF3, MW3, Crysis 2, etc) but I have that old "Intel" mindset that all Intel CPUs are good and that I should have one. I am not sure how this CPU compares with my old i7 920, but whatever.
Help me get rid of Intel-itis please!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Have a look here and compare for yourself
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Have a look here and compare for yourself
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Already tried that, made my disease worse cause the i7 looks better
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There is your answer then. Intel CPUs are, generally, better than AMD - that is why I got a decent laptop with an i7 in it this time around, rather than getting a budget AMD-based system that I knew I would regret buying after 6 months or so.
Dude seriously stop opening new threads just to rehash what was in one of the old threads you had already opened.
Reported.
Posted by mah spudtacular killer tomato.
OP - stop spamming the forum. You have a thread about this exact topic - stick to that.
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Hello everyone
I've been reading for a few days in this forum about the Motorola Razr i
I certainly found interesting articles but strangely I have found that very few refer to the Intel chip
just as I have been looking about the chip of "Motorola Razr i" and found a curious comment
"Medfield z2460 was meant to test the waters and is the reason why it was launched in india and not the US. Just a precursor to the medfield z2580. The z2580 and Clovertrail will be offered in dual core variants (not to mention quad core for clover trail) and will ditch the imagination technologies sgx 540 for an sgx 544 mp2 which runs 34 [email protected] mhz.
The sgx 540 gets 6.4 gfllops @400mhz . The adreno 225 runs at 24.5 [email protected] 400mhz and the tegra 3 (t30l or t33) gpu runs 13 [email protected] mhz. So being that 6.4gflops vs 24.5gflops is relative to 202% what do you think happens with 34 gflops vs 24.5 gflops? Plus the s4 is 103 mflops single threaded while medfield z2460 is 90 mflops single threaded on the cpu side. That's pretty close. Dual core comparison with sgx544 might actually be superior and at a higher process node (32nm vs 28nm), and that's with an in order instruction set vs ARM's out of order. I don't see how you get "x86 Atom has very slim chances when taking on Qualcomm’s ARM processors or any other new generation ARM mobile CPU from Samsung or Nvidia" with that info. Your talking a gpu and a core.
Come spring they go out of order, not to mention ditching 5 year old architecture for silvermont, 22nm process and inclusion of intel hd gpu with 40 to 80 gflops (depending on eu count) and you think there will be no competition? Even the apq8064 adreno 320 only has approx 40-45 gflops but that doesn't include the modem so higher tdp .
Maybe the exynos 5250 with mali [email protected] 68 gflops will be a threat given release schedule but still, nearly matching single threaded performance with the best chip on the market (and with 5 year old architecture), and beating every ARM chip to date in java script for a first try/test the waters offering? Swap a gpu and add a core and its game on. And adding new architecture, 22nm, out of order instruction and hd graphics and ARM might have a problem until 64 bit ARM v8."
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My question is How true is this?
not publish the link to the site because I do not know if this is right in this forum.
I apologize for possible flaws in my English.
I'm having a super-smooth experience, so yeah, the hyper-threaded single-core chip is doing a very fine job compared to the ARM competitors.
But is it true that Intel will go out-of-order for their next architecture? Because the whole point behind Atom processors was to take advantage of Intel's advanced lithography and well tought architecture, then simplify it to make it consume much less energy (and go from out-of-order to in-order was one of those simplifications).
Well I always thought Intel smartphone chips were more powerful CPU wise but gpu wise its behind.
And christ you can quote all the figures you like but it doesn't mean it'll actually reach that. Its what the individual parts can achieve.
Put them into a phone and reduce the power consumption to an acceptable level = a lot less than quoted figures
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