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Any way to REALLY scroll with thumbwheel ?

Hi !
I'm looking for a way to scroll with the thumbwheel (right now it's just as pressing up/down which does different things depending on the app). I know it could be done, since we have the finger scrolling which works as a REAL scroll, so if moving the thumb down would act the same as finger scrolling for 1cm, for example, than it would be a real scroll.
BTW: as i'm typing this, i'm starting to program an app to do it, so if i don't find a solution, i'l make one myself... muahahaha(evil laugh)... of course i'll share it... free.
Please tell me if you know a solution, so i don't waste my nights programming (again).
Thanks,
RPG

i haven't been able to find a solution and I looked high to low. I think the wheel should be more like a page down than arrow down.

I have never understood why you can't get it to go vertically. It does it on the program and settings but not on the today screen.
I think you are onto something here.

I saw one of the button mapping programs that allowed you to assign screen actions to buttons, but I am not sure how well it would work. If it did, I would imagine it could be pretty quirky and not the most efficient way to do in things, since you be basically reinterpreting another event. Sounds like it might be useful, but I would suggest maybe providing the ability to to toggle between the normal behavior and the true scrolling by double clicking the jog wheel button.

[REF]Capacitive touchpad apps

Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.

Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.

Koush said:
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Maybe you have already seen it .. but check out the 'NavDbgTool.exe' here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool

Riel said:
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
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Good idea ! I was thinking about starting such topic..
What about a unlocker ? If you slide your finger from Home key to the Answer key and at the same time you slide your other finger from the Back key to the Don't Answer key ? Could be nice.. just an idea!

What I have seen, that is quite hard, since above and below the nav-pad is no touch-pad. It sees it as 'nav-pad action' then.
I thought of navigating in another way.
What multitouch-applications do there exist, and are any of them usable for the limited space we have besides the nav-wheel?
It DOES give 4 extra 'hardware' keys. Even key-combinations can be made
Maybe some genious will find a slick way of text-inputting via the 2 pads !

Just give it a small kick upwards

Dont let this topic die?

I was just looking at this for a bit, think I get some clues about how to get the data. I have a time-problem, though Will probably be a while before I pick it up again.
However, I think I saw Schaps mention he is using it in his new touchxperience UI, that'd mean he knows how to do it. Why not just ask him?

I can see one use already. Capacitive sensors are more responsive than resistive screens, so it would be cool to use this in place of touching the screen to scroll through touchflo3d tabs.
Surur

Does any one know if this is implemented in the touch pro? and if so, in what way? Maybe we will inherit whatever the pro has to offer in this regard.

YESSSS!
This is awsome!
Did you guyzz see the vid vid?
Unlocking the Diamond with no Hard button touch at alll?.
Cheers fellasss

Nice, looking forward to a nice task manager and launcher mouse pad thing in the future!

A mouse like on the Samsung Omnia would be a good idea.
Surur

Not really multitouch
OK, I've download the NavDBG tool and played with it... strictly speaking this isn't multitouch, or not multitouch in the way that the apple looks at it. It's single touch but split into 3 areas. Basically imagine the button area at the bottom of the diamond is split into 3 columns.
You have 3 single touch areas:
1) On the left with the home and dial buttons
2) In the middle tracking outside the circle or also detecting a touch (not a button press) inside the circle. If you finger touches both outside and inside the circle, outside the circle takes precedence
3) On the right with the back and hangup buttons.
The multitouch impression comes from the fact that all 3 of these single touch areas can be used simultaneously.
This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple, but it does mean that a device fairly limited in terms of buttons could get a lot of good enhancements to useability.
My biggest annoyance with the device is when you are trying to gesture in TF3D or in an app (eg scrolling in opera) and it decides you've tapped mid gesture and follows a link etc, using the louch sensitive lower areas for gestures would eliminate this problem and make for a much better user experience (in my opinion).
Also, for games, the potential to use the touch sensitive lower area for a range of game controls would be great.
So all good stuff, but not strictly speaking multitouch.
edit: Additionally it seems to only see a narrow horizontal band in the middle (wheel) section. Interestingly it seems to register about 1cm on each side of the wheel and inside the button, it seems to infer rotation around the wheel based on the finger movements as it crosses these areas.

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This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple
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Seeing how small the pad area it, this would still work, just with fingers on different sensitive areas. If fact, this sounds like a perfect first implementation - zooming in Opera Mobile (although a bit senseless since the scroll wheel works with one hand while pinching will need two).
Surur

i think the biggest advantage of this revelation will the benefit of some new added buttons. I can think of a few uses for them too.
left/right touch to
move fwd/back through tabs in opera
skip fwd/back tracks in music player
pounding the hell out of when playing daily thompsons decathalon (if anyone remembers that great 80's game)

I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?

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I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I would love to see this!
My full on support.

I was thinking of using the touchpanels for a mousepointer control!
I know, when browsing opera, my fingers are too fat to click small links.
Must keep zooming.
I wonder if it was possible to pop up a mouse cursor, and move it with one small touch-panel. The other panel for left and rightclicks.
I have held my diamond with that idea, and I think it is very useful and finger-friendly!

CapacitiveFingerLock
I did make a Proof of Concept of CapacativeFingerLock. This one gives another possibility of locking/unlocking the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro.

Home button

On my Fuze, I constantly hit the home button when trying to hit the left key, and is driving me nuts. Does anyone have any options for me to try? I'm even willing to disable the dang thing. Just don't know how.

I find very few reasons to hit the d pad keys, other than maybe up/down. Use your swipe gestures on the screen for left/right for most purposes... That's my best advice.

You can try G-Scroll, with that you just swipe you fingers on the touch panel at the bottom to move left, right, up, down and you can also launch apps

the problem is when I do have to use the d-pad. like a game that i'm playing "Peggle" it is very annoying when the game exits and I have to navigate to find the game shortcut, or use task manager. either way it happens all the time.
Can I use g-scroll in all applications?

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the problem is when I do have to use the d-pad. like a game that i'm playing "Peggle" it is very annoying when the game exits and I have to navigate to find the game shortcut, or use task manager. either way it happens all the time.
Can I use g-scroll in all applications?
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I think, but I cost money

The Dpad is VERY annoying. My idea (which doesn't seem very popular) is to unmap the functions of the Home and Back button presses completely so they don't interfere with the dpad.
So we don't lose our Home and Back buttons, I suggested remapping the functions to the Home-HOLD and Back-HOLD functions.
This way the only time you actually would go home would be if you press and held the button for a second.
Unfortunately I don't think this is possible right now. The only way to remap the keys is via AEButtonPlus, which works but is clunky and has to run all the time. I'd much rather see a real remap

Or you can use DredSensor...

Capacitive Arrow keys

I still have problems with the "arrow keys" left and right (up and down working fine).
Is it possible to use the capacitive buttons for do this function. I know, there are programs like gscroll, but there are too much functions and this program is not working fine on my Touch Pro.
So very simple "double click" for left and right will help me and I have the feeling many other users of the TP.
highforest

highforest said:
I still have problems with the "arrow keys" left and right (up and down working fine).
Is it possible to use the capacitive buttons for do this function. I know, there are programs like gscroll, but there are too much functions and this program is not working fine on my Touch Pro.
So very simple "double click" for left and right will help me and I have the feeling many other users of the TP.
highforest
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theres a guide on here showing where exactly to press on the capacitative area to go left or right without pressing the other keys... you get used to it eventually. if not though, Gscroll works wonders man... ive disabled alot of the functions on it and just use it as a launcher and to scroll up/down/left/right.... really good man. have you tried the newest release. i reccomend it highly

theres software called dreadsensor i believe that disables the other functions of keys on left and right so for games its better

highforest said:
I still have problems with the "arrow keys" left and right (up and down working fine).
Is it possible to use the capacitive buttons for do this function. I know, there are programs like gscroll, but there are too much functions and this program is not working fine on my Touch Pro.
So very simple "double click" for left and right will help me and I have the feeling many other users of the TP.
highforest
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I have been trying this out. Works pretty good.
Try this: SensorScroll v0.6 beta
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=466377

I download gscroll again, test it and buy it (Thanks to manoli20)
The problems, I had before with this software is the fact, that I use a branded TP from German Telekom (MDA Vario 4) and the capacitive keys (and the normal keys) for Telephone, Home and Back are different from the original TP.
So pressing the capacitive key, brings not the right reaction.
Thanks to all for the tipps.
highforest

any idea where that guide is to using the capacitive arrow keys?
I have almost thrown my phone out of my car window while speeding down the highway. MUCH TOO OFTEN i accidently execute the "hang up" button when trying to press RIGHT.
There has been nothing more frustrating than this experience ..

ryaske said:
any idea where that guide is to using the capacitive arrow keys?
I have almost thrown my phone out of my car window while speeding down the highway. MUCH TOO OFTEN i accidently execute the "hang up" button when trying to press RIGHT.
There has been nothing more frustrating than this experience ..
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Dude , That should be in the wiki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been trying to use GScroll for reliable d-pad functionality. I wish my phone came with the instructions in that video!
Thank you

Button Mappings on Android for the HTC Vogue

Hello XDA'ers,
I am wondering what the reason behind why the buttons (camera, power, green, red, etc.) in Android on HTC Vogue map to the various tasks they do? For example, the camera button is back, but why not the red button? Is this something hard set in Android and cannot be changed or did someone specifically set it up this way for a reason?
Secondly I am wondering if I create a new "keylayout file" (source.android.com/porting/keymaps_keyboard_input.html) or modify the default one in /system/usr/keylayout/qwerty.kl will I be able to change the mapping of these buttons?

Compared to the Win Mobile mapping, they button layout can take some getting used to,
but once you get used to it, it's actually a very cool layout, especially if you are right handed.
You can hold the phone in your left hand, and use your thumb to access the settings 'top button',
Use your ring-finger to always back-out or end an app
Green button for phone / initiating calls
Red button to end a call, sleep mode, or power off
I wish the d-pad had more use, but I'm always using the stylus, so barely use it.
Would love for the d-pad center key to maybe be the main power-off button.

Does_It_Matter said:
... It's actually a very cool layout.
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I wish the d-pad had more use, but I'm always using the stylus, so barely use it.
Would love for the d-pad center key to maybe be the main power-off button.
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I completely agree the current layout is a very cool layout indeed, but as I imagine most people on here like to tinker it may be interesting to know how to customize the button bindings.

I am not sure if its just a matter of changing the button layout file.
I looked at that qwerty.kl file in the android.tgz
It looks like its just a mapping file, and if you change the mapping, you change
buttons,
but doesn't that mean you're just re-mapping the button itself?
Not re-mapping its functionality?
I.e., if you remapped the camera button to the d-pad center, for example, then
the d-pad center would do all functions the camera button used to do,
and the camera button would do any functions the d-pad center would?
Seems like you'd actually have to change more code than just the .kl file?

i wrote this application for polaris, and with simple changes you can add the vogue setup...