As the title reads, can the GPS be used with the phone turned off?
I am hoping to use it on a flight so I can track my route (for pure curiosity) but if it doesn't work....
doubt it
butterdori said:
As the title reads, can the GPS be used with the phone turned off?
I am hoping to use it on a flight so I can track my route (for pure curiosity) but if it doesn't work....
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i know the GPS does not work when phone in airplane mode. perhaps if someone wrote an application that would disable the radio on the phone but keep gps alive. not sure if anyone would do that as i doubt the demand for such product/service/application is fairly minimal at the moment as personally i cant see the point of wanting to track my route (unless i was on ocenic flight 815!) or unless i owned my own private plane, but if i did then i would probably rely on more trustworthy equipment than the gps module on my diamond!
butterdori said:
As the title reads, can the GPS be used with the phone turned off?
I am hoping to use it on a flight so I can track my route (for pure curiosity) but if it doesn't work....
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Yes, the GPS component of your phone can work while your phone is off.
Here is the Trick
If you haven't already, create a pin code before enabling your phone.
Path...Settings>Phone>Pin
Once you have created a pin, exist and go to CommManger. Here shut down your phone. Once that is done, turn it back on again. This time your phone will require a pin to turn your phone on. Instead of putting in your pin, hit cancel. Now you are free to use any navigational system without the concern that your phone is on.
Try it!
my phone tells me that without entering the pin i can only dial emergency nrs like 911
so is the radio really off?? because that is wat you want
tried it once on the airplane - still waiting on the runway though - but i got no signal...
Turning the cell radio off should leave GPS on, http://www.modaco.com/content/windows-mobile-news/272846/vario-iii-gps-470-mph/
The point is, because I'm an airplane/flightsim geek, i'm curious about what route the flight takes..
Anyway... conflicting opinions..
And I do think that the radio is still on if you are able to call emergency numbers(i.e. before PIN)
I was thinking, because the gps is integrated into the chipset and not an independent one like SiRFstar, once the phone module is of, so is the gps
The airplane mode does not interfere with workings of the GPS BUT some aircrafts are equipped with a screen that stops the GPS signal from penetrating the plane body. My personal findings are- new Boeings 7 series are equipped with the screen, Airbus A32x is fine.
The new 7 series? All Boeings are 7x7... if you meant the 777
As far as I know, GPS is used from time to time in the cockpit
butterdori said:
The point is, because I'm an airplane/flightsim geek, i'm curious about what route the flight takes..
Anyway... conflicting opinions..
And I do think that the radio is still on if you are able to call emergency numbers(i.e. before PIN)
I was thinking, because the gps is integrated into the chipset and not an independent one like SiRFstar, once the phone module is of, so is the gps
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I used it once with my P3600 and that worked, the problem is that you can use it as long your above ground as soon you will fly over the sea there are no maps, at least not for TomTom.
And another problem is the speed the programm which I used (TomTom ) worked well but the update interval is that big that the nav engine got confused.
Willem
What if you use your phone without a SIM card? Never tried it, and it's too late to go outside and try it now lol.
I can confirm that GPS does work in airplane mode.. just checked it
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OK, this ide was stolen from a guy at the norwegian forum www.windowsmobile.no: Can't somebody who knows what they're doing program a small app that can be set to turn on BT and WLAN whenever the unit is turned on? Then I'd be very happy, at least!
may be this tool can help?
http://oz.sciox.org/ozbt.html
Wow! At first glance it seems to work! I'll have to turn off the unit for a longer time and see if it still works. I'll know in the morning...it's been along night. Election night in Norway.
I think this does work but like Mastiff says I am going to leave off my SX66 for a bit.
If this does work, this needs to be added as a patch?
I am pretty sure this is working for my SX66.
I first manually turned off Wireless and Bluetooth. Then restarted my PDA, which both Wireless and Bluetooth where off when it was done booting. I then went into ozBT and changed Wireless/BT from Default On to Defaul Off.
I was then going to restart the PDA but before I could Wireless and BT popped on!
I also turned off my PDA for a bit and Bluetooth was off - then it turned it's self back on.
Nice!
Someone needs to invite this guy over here and get him on the staff!
Why would you want BT and Wifi turned on everytime you switched on your PPC? Wouldnt that kill the battery? Every time you soft reset, turn on to check email, etc. Can someone explain what this achieves?
Myself I do not want WiFi on but I do for Bluetooth, since I use a BT Headset all the time.
First of all this doesn't work very well at all for me. On my Qtek 9090 this has unforseen side effects for WiFi, so I have gone back on it. It doesn't log into my default network at once, like it does when I turn it on manually. Instead it either tries to log on to the other WiFi network I have in my house (don't ask), even though that's weaker and MAC blocked for the unit. And if it doesn't find that, it just stays on "searching". And even when searching it don't show the WiFi icon, it shows the GPRS icon all the time. So for my unit this is a dead end. If anybody else tries this and doesn't have problems, I will have to do a hard reset and see if it's some kind of third party program that creates this problem.
Second, I want them on like I always have had them on with my four last PPCs since I have a wireless network both in my house and in my car, and I control music, lights and a lot of other stuff in the house and music in the car with it. Besides when I'm driving I always use TomTom to warn me of speed cams. And I have charging in both my cars, on both my motorbikes and in my home office (I run a translating business from home). So I'm never far away from charging and never have problems with the battery, and finally I use WiFi a lot more than I use the phone part, with NetRemote controlling the house, and surfing.
where is the file
where is the program can be found.
http://oz.sciox.org/ozbt.html
But no my system it's trying to connect to the wrong network every time. If I turn on the WLAN manually I don't have that problem at all, it connects to the default. I'm starting to think that the program forces the driver to check for the default network to early, before the network card is ready, then gives up on that and start looking for other networks a few seconds later, which is when the network card really is ready to connect.
I was on a trip yesterday and I noticed that when I turned on flight mode, it also turned off Bluetooth. I have a bluetooth GPS receiver that I use with my Alpline but wasn't able to in the plane because when I turned off my phone it also killed my Bluetooth.
:?: Is there a simple way to turn of JUST the phone radio, but leave the bluetooth up? My XDA II allowed me to turn off the phone's radio and leave bluetooth up. It just looks like bluetooth, WiFi and Phone have all just been lumped into Flight mode. Is there a system tweak or even a utility? I would be ok with either. Just found this annnoying. Thanks in advance for answering my question.
genghis said:
I was on a trip yesterday and I noticed that when I turned on flight mode, it also turned off Bluetooth. I have a bluetooth GPS receiver that I use with my Alpline but wasn't able to in the plane because when I turned off my phone it also killed my Bluetooth.
:?: Is there a simple way to turn of JUST the phone radio, but leave the bluetooth up? My XDA II allowed me to turn off the phone's radio and leave bluetooth up. It just looks like bluetooth, WiFi and Phone have all just been lumped into Flight mode. Is there a system tweak or even a utility? I would be ok with either. Just found this annnoying. Thanks in advance for answering my question.
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There's no way that I know to have flight mode on and still be able to use bluetooth, wifi or gprs on the XDAIIi.
I also know that you can on the XDAIIs.
Actually there is.
Check this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=36788&highlight=flight+mode
The interesting part is :
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\FlightMode]
"IsFMCheckEnable"=dword:00000000
"WarningMsg"="Please turn Flight Mode off first"
Change "IsFMCheckEnable"=dword:00000001 to "IsFMCheckEnable"=dword:00000000
It allows you to use WiFi and Bluetooth while in flight mode. I found about this only minutes ago, and I'm sure glad I did
Cheerio !
I'm pretty sure that on flights it is illegal to use any form of wireless transmission hence BT & WiFi turning off at the same time as GSM. This is because they are all in the microwave band and can allegedly interfere with aircraft instruments.
If all else fails, turn flight mode on, turn BT on, the phone part will ask for a PIN which you must enabled this, select cancel and the phone part will turn off again leaving the BT active.
Thank you Mr_Smoke!
That App Radio Off works GREAT! I knew there had to be a simple fix.
:arrow: Bluetooth interference with instruments debunked:
http://www.bluetooth.com/NR/rdonlyr...7E/0/Aircraft_Safety_Report_for_Bluetooth.pdf
:!: Good article where they tested a 727 and 747 with bluetooth devices. They state that both UHF and VHF had a VERY remote chance of interference, but that the threshold would drop off before the device could emit enough power to actually interfere. Communications devices on aircraft have all been shielded and tested to higher energy levels than a simple BT signal from a PDA could push out. The only cavet is that use is prohibited during critical phase of flight (take off and landing) which is when the airlines currently make you turn off your devices.
I love using a BT GPS receiver (I put it up to the window and close the window shade to hold it in place) with Pocket Earth.
http://www.bluepointstudios.com/www/?fuseaction=product.poe
Its a VERY sweet program to show you where you are, direction you are headed, speed, and estimated time to your arrival. The only thing I wish that program had was altitude information which I emailed them as a suggestion for their next revision to their software.
pug said:
If all else fails, turn flight mode on, turn BT on, the phone part will ask for a PIN which you must enabled this, select cancel and the phone part will turn off again leaving the BT active.
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You sure about this Pug? The message says that only emergency calls can be made until the pin is entered, that would suggest that the phone is still functional.
Or is this different to the message/routine at start up?
On a far more important note, I hear your looking at jumping ship to an Universal - what are we going to do without you? :wink:
Tom
No need to worry, the missus is having the Alpine for Tomtom etc. A bit of a waste know but it' too big for her for everyday use. I'll still be looking about here in the Alpine section, don't want to let my fans down now.
Hi there ..
is the gps always on ?
how to power it off ?
if not how does it get power on, on first connect ?
thanks
when the port gets initalised it starts the hardware
cookie1977uk said:
when the port gets initalised it starts the hardware
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I thought that the GPS was always "sort of" on unless the phone was in complete flight mode.
timn2087 said:
I thought that the GPS was always "sort of" on unless the phone was in complete flight mode.
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If that were true you would think it would be a fairly serious design flaw.. Battery life, etc.. And since it takes so long to get a sat lock anyway it would be kind of pointless..!!
Everything I've read so far says it is activated only when invoked by an application.
It's possible to always get an approximate fix on your location, but that isn't GPS. That's possible via triangulation from the cell towers. Google Maps does this unless you tell it to use the GPS.
The GPS is only ever turned on when it is used by an application.
salada2k said:
If that were true you would think it would be a fairly serious design flaw.. Battery life, etc.. And since it takes so long to get a sat lock anyway it would be kind of pointless..!!
Everything I've read so far says it is activated only when invoked by an application.
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It's possible to always get an approximate fix on your location, but that isn't GPS. That's possible via triangulation from the cell towers. Google Maps does this unless you tell it to use the GPS.
The GPS is only ever turned on when it is used by an application.
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Thanks for clarifying that. You're both right, it would be silly to have the GPS constantly activated.
thank you ...
With Airflight Mode ON,it's still possible to use GPS...
Incredible...what a flaw!!!
HastaSSSS
how to set GPS on when flight mode on?
Hi,
Does anyone help me to set GPS on when flight mode on? If I set flight mode on, then tomtom cannot get GPS signal. Traveling with flight mode on will save lots of power.
Cheers
s1rl4ncel0t said:
With Airflight Mode ON,it's still possible to use GPS...
Incredible...what a flaw!!!
HastaSSSS
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isn't that irrelevant since the gps doesn't SEND anything?
really if you think about it, the gps hw on th phone only recieves data.
i usually carry with me a gps datalogger that does pretty funny lines when i connect it to google earth after arrriving home from my flights
s1rl4ncel0t said:
With Airflight Mode ON,it's still possible to use GPS...
Incredible...what a flaw!!!
HastaSSSS
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As others have said - Absolutely not a flaw at all. Indeed a nice feature which was in the TyTnII as well. GPS by its very nature is a reciever only, so nothing is transmitted to interfere with AC avionics.
In answer to the oringinal thread starter .. as far as I can tell the GPS shuts down when no software is polling it. Not sure what the timeout is. Would guess a minute or so.
s1rl4ncel0t said:
With Airflight Mode ON,it's still possible to use GPS...
Incredible...what a flaw!!!
HastaSSSS
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Really? TomTom 7 says 'GPS disabled because device is in flight mode.....'
Weird.
It shouldnt be disabled anyway as it's just a passive receiver - no transmit therefore no issue with airplanes.
thats my guess also (activated on request)
but i would rather prefer an option that allow-me to turn it off no matter what..
Thank you all for the answers
It shouldnt be disabled anyway as it's just a passive receiver - no transmit therefore no issue with airplanes.
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It's not quite that straightforward as a GPS receiver, like any electrical piece of equipment, has the potential to transmit RF radiation. Of course, whether the level and form of radiated power is sufficient to cause any difficulties with avionics is a different question entirely.
Like all rules of what is, and isn't, allowed onboard aircraft the final decision is down to the airline (which in turn base their decisions on official rules and regulations).
There is a list of airlines which do/don't allow GPS usage onboard here (it also contains an discussion on the issue). Note the caveat that allowed GPS usage is for cruising, not landing/takeoff where the number of critical avionic systems in use (and relied on) is increased.
Mathew
salada2k said:
Really? TomTom 7 says 'GPS disabled because device is in flight mode.....'
Weird.
It shouldnt be disabled anyway as it's just a passive receiver - no transmit therefore no issue with airplanes.
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"Flight Mode - all connections Disabled" is what Tom Tom actually says. It does not say that the GPS is disabled, just the connection.
You can even see this in this screen shot I took a few hours ago. Note the co-ordinates and information displayed. Now if you were to take a look at s34.88499e150.24473 in Google Earth to see where those co ordinates are, you will see that I could not have driven my car there. But I can assure you I was there. Also note the correct UTC time which will only display with the GPS running. There is no way TomTom could have known I was in that location unless it was using the GPS. So TomTom is sort of disabling all connections between itself and the phones GPS. But the GPS is still running.
Further - If you have your Diamond in flight mode - Just fire up the GPSTest application and you will see it has no problem getting a fix. Although it takes the whole screen so I cannot take a screen showing showing flight mode and the fix concurrently.
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It's not quite that straightforward as a GPS receiver, like any electrical piece of equipment, has the potential to transmit RF radiation. Of course, whether the level and form of radiated power is sufficient to cause any difficulties with avionics is a different question entirely.
Like all rules of what is, and isn't, allowed onboard aircraft the final decision is down to the airline (which in turn base their decisions on official rules and regulations).
There is a list of airlines which do/don't allow GPS usage onboard here (it also contains an discussion on the issue). Note the caveat that allowed GPS usage is for cruising, not landing/takeoff where the number of critical avionic systems in use (and relied on) is increased.
Mathew
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Yeah I am aware of all of that. But I can tell you the final decision can have a lot more to do with where in the aircraft you happen to be sitting
logger said:
Yeah I am aware of all of that. But I can tell you the final decision can have a lot more to do with where in the aircraft you happen to be sitting
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I wouldn't know; I'm always way towards the back of the aircraft... usually wedged between two fat people.
Mathew
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"Flight Mode - all connections Disabled" is what Tom Tom actually says. It does not say that the GPS is disabled, just the connection.
You can even see this in this screen shot I took a few hours ago. Note the co-ordinates and information displayed. Now if you were to take a look at s34.88499e150.24473 in Google Earth to see where those co ordinates are, you will see that I could not have driven my car there. But I can assure you I was there. Also note the correct UTC time which will only display with the GPS running. There is no way TomTom could have known I was in that location unless it was using the GPS. So TomTom is sort of disabling all connections between itself and the phones GPS. But the GPS is still running.
Further - If you have your Diamond in flight mode - Just fire up the GPSTest application and you will see it has no problem getting a fix. Although it takes the whole screen so I cannot take a screen showing showing flight mode and the fix concurrently.
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Fair call - I had never actually got a fix in that situation so I thought the GPS was disabled. Thanks for pointing that out.
The two fat people would sure as hell attenuate the signal. (But perhaps protect the avionics). Fotunately for me I get to sit at the other end.
I have tried using smartphonetracker, and some other gps tracking phone programs. They work great, but heres the PROBLEM:
Useless if device is in sleep mode, or if press the power OFF button.
So if it runs out of battery, or if its turned off, how can I find it by GPS?
Any solution?
sorry, if the phone is off / battery empty - no chance...
i mean, how should it work anyway?! sending a "dead" device the command to boot up and do something?
standby shouldn't be a problem for these programs or they aren't worth the money. i know that kaspersky's mobile security offers this feature. but so far i didn't buy it... (pretty certain it would mess with the system in some ways, make it laggy etc) phonecreeper here @xda should work as well.
oh, one more thing:
all these apps won't prevent a hard-reset or a reflash. in this case you could only disable the IMEI via your provider (sim-card is mandatory anyway) to make it really useless for the thief. (imei-changing is possible and apparently pretty easy, but instructions are pretty hard to find on the web... ^^)
I mean, when it is in standby mode, when u tap power off, then screen goes black.. it doesnt seem to work when its in this mode..
well, from what i've read about smartphonetracker, it SHOULD work in standby-mode. (if the phone is connected to a network to receive the sms)
if it doesn't you should ask the guy who wrote it? also you can find some support here.
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well, from what i've read about smartphonetracker, it SHOULD work in standby-mode. (if the phone is connected to a network to receive the sms)
if it doesn't you should ask the guy who wrote it? also you can find some support here.
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By connected to network, u mean internet connection? I want to track my gfs whereabouts, but she doesnt have internet connection on her phone..
Errr, you want to do what?! Oo
Well, I guess that's fine because she knows about it and does the same with your phone, right?
Since when do SMS need an internet connection?
Hi all.
Aparently Motion Sense does nor work in Mexico because the frequency the solton radar uses is not authorized for civilian use.
Today I took a southbound flight and right about the time we crossed the border (I was tracking the flight on the plane's entertainment system), I got the popup saying that the Motion Sense capabilities got disabled.
My question is, my phone was of course in airplane mode, gps, data and wifi off, so how did it know its postion?
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Hi all.
Aparently Motion Sense does nor work in Mexico because the frequency the solton radar uses is not authorized for civilian use.
Today I took a southbound flight and right about the time we crossed the border (I was tracking the flight on the plane's entertainment system), I got the popup saying that the Motion Sense capabilities got disabled.
My question is, my phone was of course in airplane mode, gps, data and wifi off, so how did it know its postion?
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I was just recently investigating about "airplane mode" and couldn't find anything conclusive although there were suggestions that airplane mode might not actually make your phone entirely "invisible" , but rather makes it only act like an advanced DND.
If this is true, and your phone does indeed send and receive *some* sort of pings (I would sepculate GPS to be the most likely culprit if that's teh case), thne that would explain its usefulness in the scenario you described. It also could be a safety feature for users if their geolocation was still tracked in certain situations such as kidnapping.
GPS is a passive system. It never transmits and can fix your position by only receiving satellite broadcasts. If it already has map data, then it can correlate the position fix to a map location. Airplanes only care about transmitting devices, which GPS does not require. So there's no reason for Airplane mode to disable GPS.
Edit: It would make more sense if the Soli system just has a whitelist or blacklist of geofences. When you enter or exit one, it might disable Soli. It doesn't have to be very accurate, just a polygon blob around certain countries.
Aaaaaah, that makes perfect sense. Thank you for your reply.