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about the qualcomm 7200 chipset (noob asking a non-noob question)

first pls check this site out
it has the specifications of the chipset that the kaiser is using
http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7200_chipset_solution.jsp
my question is
duz it mean that, our kaiser has the potential to do whatever it says there on the specs?
like the 6.0MP camera and the 30FPS video?
gurus, pls enlighten me

Yeah, probably it can do all those things.. but first we need to wait for those guys at HTC figure out how to use them.
Meanwhile please sign the petition and do whatever you can to get those guys to fix this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342500

jym04 said:
Yeah, probably it can do all those things.. but first we need to wait for those guys at HTC figure out how to use them.
Meanwhile please sign the petition and do whatever you can to get those guys to fix this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342500
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no it doesnt mean we can magically have a 6.0 MP camera or 30 fps video, but the playback of video could be greatly improved by getting decent 3d acceleration drivers, which HTC has yet to provide.

Doug2873 said:
no it doesnt mean we can magically have a 6.0 MP camera or 30 fps video, but the playback of video could be greatly improved by getting decent 3d acceleration drivers, which HTC has yet to provide.
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Oh, I thought he meant 30 fps video playback, not recording.. my mistake sorry anyway, wouldn't harm to get everyone's attention to the acceleration drivers right?

It does mean the chip supports reading image data from a 6MP sensor. It is up to the manufacturer as to what size camera sensor they actually include (in this case 3.1MP). So, no magic software update to 6MP. As for 30fps video recording, if you are talented enough programmer, you might be able to figure out how to write an app to do it. The 30fps simply refers to how often the processor can get data from the image sensor. How many frames a second you can actually record, and at what resolution, is limited by programming skills and the relatively low performance of an ARM processor.

Why is'nt 30fps video recording possible? The only limitation is hardware related, which our hardware supports. The fps isnot related to the cam unit as far as I know. Previously on my ROKR E6 and my W800 I've increased the ps from 7 to about 20. I apologise if I am wrong, this is my first week with the Kaiser and still learning , first week with any windows based phone and I'm loving it

Buying a Kaiser

Hello everyone,
I currently have a Qtek 9100 (Wizard) and, since I'm changing my phone operator, I have the opportunity to have a brand new phone at low cost, and I chose the Kaiser.
BUT, reading a little bit forum like these, i falled on the issue of the "missing" hardware acceleration of the graphic chip.
What I am looking for is:
* Having the same video quality with my Wizard (TCPMP, under WM5, i'm totally satisfied and I downsample my videos, i won't be annoyed to do the same).
* Having at least the same other capability that I use (PocketOffice, WIFI/GSM etc... Web browsing ...)
* HAVING A "REAL" KEYBOARD (not on screen only)
Do you think I should buy something else ? What should i look to ?
Thank in advance and sorry for my frenchy english

acidbao said:
Hello everyone,
I currently have a Qtek 9100 (Wizard) and, since I'm changing my phone operator, I have the opportunity to have a brand new phone at low cost, and I chose the Kaiser.
BUT, reading a little bit forum like these, i falled on the issue of the "missing" hardware acceleration of the graphic chip.
What I am looking for is:
* Having the same video quality with my Wizard (TCPMP, under WM5, i'm totally satisfied and I downsample my videos, i won't be annoyed to do the same).
* Having at least the same other capability that I use (PocketOffice, WIFI/GSM etc... Web browsing ...)
* HAVING A "REAL" KEYBOARD (not on screen only)
Do you think I should buy something else ? What should i look to ?
Thank in advance and sorry for my frenchy english
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Apart from the Video acceleration driver, Kaiser is great. I think soon there will be an accelerated driver available, so Kaiser will be finally the best

gabriel31337 said:
Apart from the Video acceleration driver, Kaiser is great. I think soon there will be an accelerated driver available, so Kaiser will be finally the best
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I hope you are right(about the driver).

All the screaming for hw video accelaration is somewhat out of proportions. With a cooked ROM, configured for performance, the Kaiser is a fast efficient and well-working unit.
You can playback livestreamed youtube videos perfectly with TCMP, high-resolution and bitrate content such as movies won't run smooth unless you downsample them to a more fitting resolution and bitrate. Then they'll playback ok, unless you're an audio/videophile.
As for graphic performance, ported old classics such as Quake and Duke3D runs ok with framerates of 30+ with no problems. All kinds of 2D-games works just fine. Of course, really hefty modern 3D-stuff will give you more problems.
All in all I find the Kaiser a great device with a fantastic community that will probably keep it "alive" in terms of modding, ROMs, tweaks and hacks for a good while into the future. What bugs people, is the fact that it got a great potential hardwarewise thats not fully utilized at the moment, particularly due to the lack of those drivers.
/Mac

Mikulec said:
I hope you are right(about the driver).
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Me too

So the video will never be worst than a Wizard ? Ok
Do you think I should wait like for one month if HTC does the jerk and release a new generation Kaiser with HW acceleration that will not be available on current releases ?
Finally, i don't want to be offensive toward all to your great jobs done on ROM modding (i actually mod everything i have, my routers, my iRiver etc...) but will the performance acceptable if I don't intent to take that risk (actually i will try to mod my old wizard first when i get the Kaiser) ?

M4cr0s said:
All the screaming for hw video accelaration is somewhat out of proportions. With a cooked ROM, configured for performance, the Kaiser is a fast efficient and well-working unit.
You can playback livestreamed youtube videos perfectly with TCMP, high-resolution and bitrate content such as movies won't run smooth unless you downsample them to a more fitting resolution and bitrate. Then they'll playback ok, unless you're an audio/videophile.
As for graphic performance, ported old classics such as Quake and Duke3D runs ok with framerates of 30+ with no problems. All kinds of 2D-games works just fine. Of course, really hefty modern 3D-stuff will give you more problems.
All in all I find the Kaiser a great device with a fantastic community that will probably keep it "alive" in terms of modding, ROMs, tweaks and hacks for a good while into the future. What bugs people, is the fact that it got a great potential hardwarewise thats not fully utilized at the moment, particularly due to the lack of those drivers.
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I agree that kaiser is great, I like him too, but I will like him more if he is like he was supposed to be.
btw you forgot the camera issue

Mikulec said:
I agree that kaiser is great, I like him too, but I will like him more if he is like he was supposed to be.
btw you forgot the camera issue
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True that, the Kaiser camera isn't that great, but its not that bad either. Depends a lot on your preferences i.e. do you expect a mobile phone kind of camera or a semi-standalone camera like the dedicated cameraphones of SE and to a lesser extent Nokia, Samsung and LG.
Personally I found that taking pic's when the cam is set to 1 megapixel, brightnes to -1, -1,5 or -2 works way better than in 2 and 3 megapixel resolutions Its faster, better with light and produces 1280x960 pic's thats mostly ok for normal computer use. That said, you don't buy a Kaiser if you want a standalone-camera replacer.
The camera can probably be considerabely improved by ROM-upgrades, hardware video accelaration and better camera software.
/Mac

M4cr0s said:
That said, you don't buy a Kaiser if you want a standalone-camera replacer.
The camera can probably be considerabely improved by ROM-upgrades, hardware video accelaration and better camera software.
/Mac
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yes, I agree. But when you want to make a quick picture of something, it is almost impossible. But for steady pics its ok.

Why is Diamond worse than Xperia?

Hi, I just dont get it. Xperia is made by HTC, has the same Qualcomm CPU, and same camera. Why the hell can Xperia record video at VGA 30 FPS, but Diamond can only Cif 15 FPS? And more, Xperia can play video in WVGA DVD-like bitrate, which is at least 1.5Mb , But Diamond barely can run 1 Mb VGA video. Why? Again - Same CPU.

I don't think the CPU is the bottleneck here, but the GPU

pokevitek said:
Hi, I just dont get it. Xperia is made by HTC, has the same Qualcomm CPU, and same camera. Why the hell can Xperia record video at VGA 30 FPS, but Diamond can only Cif 15 FPS? And more, Xperia can play video in WVGA DVD-like bitrate, which is at least 1.5Mb , But Diamond barely can run 1 Mb VGA video. Why? Again - Same CPU.
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i don't why you say Xperia is made by HTC. It's Sony Ericsson and correct me if i m wrong.
For the whys, I guess xperia has some kinda dedicated graphics GPU and more RAM to work all this out.

bouzoubaa said:
i don't why you say Xperia is made by HTC. It's Sony Ericsson and correct me if i m wrong.
For the whys, I guess xperia has some kinda dedicated graphics GPU and more RAM to work all this out.
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nope, HTC manufacture it

bouzoubaa said:
i don't why you say Xperia is made by HTC. It's Sony Ericsson and correct me if i m wrong.
For the whys, I guess xperia has some kinda dedicated graphics GPU and more RAM to work all this out.
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The Experia is in fact produced by HTC, but distibuted by SE

Xperia is made by HTC FOR Sony Ericsson. HTC made it. Yes, Xperia has 256 MB RAM, but I dont tnihk this is it. I am almost sure this is not. Diamond´s 192 is not low number. GPU? It has the same GPU as Diamond. 7201A CPU are dual-core, one core is processor core, and the second one is GPU core. And more, Loox 720 (siemens) can play video VGA 1,5 Mb at 120%, but Diamond only 92%, same displays. And that loox 720 has PXA 520MHz Xscale CPU, 3 years old CPU is way better than brand new 7201A even in QTv mode. HTC universal - VGA, 520 MHz Intel Xscale - 114%. Even HTC old device can play video much better than brand new Diamond. F**k HTC.

Seems they have given Diamond users crap drivers

More like crappy chipset. Coreplayer works with hardware directly, and its still worse than with comparison with XScale.
Or just maybe HTC underclocked MSM on Diamond, because otherwise its 900Mah battery wont last even a day

I dont think so. CorePlayer uses some bypass (TyTN 2 driver mode), Myabe some modifications could be done there. I have official text which says that CorePlayer will beter support Diamond (7201A chipset).

I wasnt aware they tested Coreplayer on Xperia, nor that they already have Xperia support there

No, they didn´t. But official materials says that Xperia will be able to play video at VGA resolution with DVD bitrate. Which is much better than Diamond.
Anyway, With same chipset, Xperia still can make better videos than Diamond. About that CorePlayer official text. I wrote them an e-mail, asking for better Diamond 7201A support, and I get this: "Yes we will be working on this version to better work with the device." So maybe we will have some better video playback performance. Who knows. I dont think that chipset is bad, Call Of Duty mobile is smoother on 7201A then on Xscale 520MHz. And MMX can accelerate graphic. I hope that this is all about implementation of the QTv mode. (Becouse this could be solved).

I wouldnt trust what they *say* in PR statements about device that is still in production at all. I still remember very well how they touted Kaiser as "multimedia-rich" device and then tried to slip off when users started to become outraged of how slow it actually was.

Yes, I know, but there is one thing different - it will be "sony ericsson" phone. I think they know what they promis. Anyway, like I said, CorePlayer maybe increase speed of video playback, becou that is the last bad think on diamond. (At least last BIG bad tnihg)

would be nice to have a multi-window like card like touch sleep screen on th Diamond like the Xperia has

Still, any ideas why Diamond and Raphael can not record video at VGA @ 30 FPS, while Xperia witrh SAME CPU can?

VGA (640*480) video-rec from Xpreia X1.

Since the diamond and Xperia X1 share the same Qualcomm platform and both have probably the same 3.2 AF camera module, can somebody manage how to make diamond record VGA (640*480 30 FPS) video, which Xperia can?
There's a firmware for X1 in X1 subforum, maybe somebody can use it's camera driver or whatever it is in Diamond firmware?

I think we pay a cheaper price for the diamond and as a result we obtain at the end a cheaper product.....the same happens with the Opera version without Flash Lite 3 support and many other things discussed on this forum.
But in some way will be nice to have the possibility to record videos with a bigger resolution.

No, this can not be just about marketing. There must be some HW reason. HTC doesent have reason to make better phone for Sony Ericsson than their best phone aka Touch Pro. Even if is true what you say about Diamond, Touch Pro would have VGA @ 30 FPS record capability, if this is just software thing. Why would HTC do something like this? Just realize, how many even more powerfull phones than Diamond have only QVGA record option. Dell Axim x50v, Asus P535, Even Omnia with brand new Monahan 624 MHz CPU can just [email protected] FPS. Dont tell me that HTC didnt include this option to Diamond and Raphael just becouse of marketing.

pokevitek said:
No, this can not be just about marketing. There must be some HW reason. HTC doesent have reason to make better phone for Sony Ericsson than their best phone aka Touch Pro. Even if is true what you say about Diamond, Touch Pro would have VGA @ 30 FPS record capability, if this is just software thing. Why would HTC do something like this? Just realize, how many even more powerfull phones than Diamond have only QVGA record option. Dell Axim x50v, Asus P535, Even Omnia with brand new Monahan 624 MHz CPU can just [email protected] FPS. Dont tell me that HTC didnt include this option to Diamond and Raphael just becouse of marketing.
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Hi pokevitek, HTC does not manufacture devices for SONY, they produce their products using a very strange marketing strategy, just look into the past, troubles with devices like Kaiser and Cruise, which where using the same HW but getting different HTC SW versions , e.g. the camera SW.

HTC made the Xpreia x1 so it has been rumored. designed by sony made by HTC????

qtek_metanol said:
Hi pokevitek, HTC does not manufacture devices for SONY, they produce their products using a very strange marketing strategy, just look into the past, troubles with devices like Kaiser and Cruise, which where using the same HW but getting different HTC SW versions , e.g. the camera SW.
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HTC is the manufacturer for the Xperia X1. It's just rebranded by Sony Ericsson.

poedgirl said:
HTC is the manufacturer for the Xperia X1. It's just rebranded by Sony Ericsson.
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Ok, if so, i'll never understand the kind of marketing strategy HTC is using for.....!!! but the crazy thing is, they have a big success as Smartphone and Pcket PC manufacturer...!!!

htc used to only make devices for other companys
think it's rare now though

I understand licensing the codec to do VGA 30fps recording cost more money, hence HTC never did it.
I think porting the driver is a good strategy that should be pursued
Surur

I think we should port as much as possible from the x1.
Just because we can
Just downloaded the rom...

sensorama said:
I think we should port as much as possible from the x1.
Just because we can
Just downloaded the rom...
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where did you download it?
UPS...sorry found it ;-)

Topaz video capturing,What's wrong with HTC

Hello everyone
Seriously whats wrong with HTC?
Same time when all companies try to give a better response to costumers with more improvements ,here we go again.... HTC is just making it worse.
The HTC diamond 2 ( Topaz) is Using the same Camera HTC HD Does. Touch Pro، Diamond and Touch HD all capture videos in CIF Resolution . The new VGA version cut the bit rates to the Half,now Instead of 30 frames per second we have 15.... Is it even funny?
I know its all related to the Software,they easily can solve the problem with an update so what we can do?Im sure they are not going to make such updates.
So any Idea how we can make it?How to tell them?

I dont think it's related to software..
30fps vga movie recording is (640*480)*30fps burst image recording with compression.. So, it's limited by hardware imho..

definitely a hardware issue, not software

DUDE!
if you wana make a film or film things, you shude buy a filmcamera
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!

Zinnix said:
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!
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Thats not completly true, my old N95 8GB had a very good video capture

I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.

Zinnix is right though, if you have aspirations to be a movie maker, buy a proper movie camera................

adesonic said:
Zinnix is right though, if you have aspirations to be a movie maker, buy a proper movie camera................
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I already have one
The problem is they could do it better when previous versions have a better one,anyway leave it because Topaz image capturing satisfies me and that's enough.

peterbonge said:
I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.
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mine too

Zinnix said:
DUDE!
if you wana make a film or film things, you shude buy a filmcamera
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!
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This is complete nonsense. There are a couple of phones (starting with the Nokia N95) which have an excellent video recording quality.
I also get pretty mad at HTC when I compare the SE C905 camera to the HTC Diamond 2 camera. Even the "old" Nokia N95 takes much better pictures than the Diamond 2, I won't even start to mention the much higher shutter release/focus speed of the N95.
As to video PLAYBACK quality, HTC sucks bigtime. I don't know what is wrong with them but most of their newer devices need a lot of tweaking and/or special programs like CorePlayer to be able to playback video files in a decent quality. I know it is a hardware restriction (Qualcomm sucks!) but HTC is to blame for it because this is nothing new and there are thousands of complaints about this on the internet.
Samsung actually proved pretty well that most "issues" on modern Windows Mobile devices aren't caused by Windows Mobile but are limitations induced by the used hardware. Take the Samsung i780 as an example: this device has NO problems whatsoever to playback video files in a decent quality. It uses a Marvell chipset, not Qualcomm. Also look at the decent camera of the Samsung Omnia i900, it may mot beat the Nokia N95 photo quality but it is definetely better than anything HTC has to offer, sad but true.

P996 said:
This is complete nonsense. There are a couple of phones (starting with the Nokia N95) which have an excellent video recording quality.
I also get pretty mad at HTC when I compare the SE C905 camera to the HTC Diamond 2 camera. Even the "old" Nokia N95 takes much better pictures than the Diamond 2, I won't even start to mention the much higher shutter release/focus speed of the N95.
As to video PLAYBACK quality, HTC sucks bigtime. I don't know what is wrong with them but most of their newer devices need a lot of tweaking and/or special programs like CorePlayer to be able to playback video files in a decent quality. I know it is a hardware restriction (Qualcomm sucks!) but HTC is to blame for it because this is nothing new and there are thousands of complaints about this on the internet.
Samsung actually proved pretty well that most "issues" on modern Windows Mobile devices aren't caused by Windows Mobile but are limitations induced by the used hardware. Take the Samsung i780 as an example: this device has NO problems whatsoever to playback video files in a decent quality. It uses a Marvell chipset, not Qualcomm. Also look at the decent camera of the Samsung Omnia i900, it may mot beat the Nokia N95 photo quality but it is definetely better than anything HTC has to offer, sad but true.
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I Second that,but The phone definitions are available on Net before we get a handy so we all knew its nothing new. We are talking about Pocket pcs but As for Multimedia you could wait for Omnia HD which is the king.
I was going to buy Omnia HD but well Its not going to come with windows mobile ,For now Topaz was the best choice for me because i couldn't wait anymore.
For those who can Wait ,We are going to see new generation of pocket pcs within 2 or 3 month so you can wait.

PhilXdaOrbit2 said:
mine too
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Common boys,Doesn't matter where you get it but they are all same. Please read various reviews of Topaz every where and you will see this problem is not just about me.

peterbonge said:
I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.
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Mine only records at just under 20fps. How are you getting 30fps? Is there a tweak or something I'm missing? Thanks
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mine too
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How do you tell? I've got it set for VGA but it only records at about 16-19fps.

I've just switched from a N95 to a D2 and the video looks great on the D2 compared to the N95.
I just got my D2 last week so could it be a newer ROM?

WMguy said:
Mine only records at just under 20fps. How are you getting 30fps? Is there a tweak or something I'm missing? Thanks
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I think I can solve this mystery now: The D2 records with variable frame rate. Some programs or tools (like GSpot) are showing only the maximal frame rate, which is indeed 30 fps. Other tools are showing the averaged frame rate. Now I've found a tool called MediaInfo, which shows all frame rates. I've just tested it with a recorded video:
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Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 19.228 fps
Minimum frame rate : 7.500 fps
Maximum frame rate : 30.000 fps

peterbonge said:
I think I can solve this mystery now: The D2 records with variable frame rate. Some programs or tools (like GSpot) are showing only the maximal frame rate, which is indeed 30 fps. Other tools are showing the averaged frame rate. Now I've found a tool called MediaInfo, which shows all frame rates. I've just tested it with a recorded video:
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Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 19.228 fps
Minimum frame rate : 7.500 fps
Maximum frame rate : 30.000 fps
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It has 5 kind of Resolution:
1- S(128x96)
2-M(176x144)
3-L(320x240)
4-CIF(352x288)
5-VGA(640x480)

payameno said:
It has 5 kind of Resolution:
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What do you want to tell us with this listing? I was talking about the frame rate and not the resolution.

peterbonge said:
What do you want to tell us with this listing? I was talking about the frame rate and not the resolution.
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Each Resolution has its own Frame rate,For VGA its 15 fps

payameno said:
Each Resolution has its own Frame rate,For VGA its 15 fps
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Have you checked that with MediaInfo? The results I've posted are from a VGA recording.

peterbonge said:
Have you checked that with MediaInfo? The results I've posted are from a VGA recording.
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Not actually,Im just saying that as its what GSMArena reviews says.
I think there is something strange here.
How a same VGA Resolution does the recording with such various Frame rates? There is no option to change Rates so basically it just records with an invariable rate which it seems to be 15 fps for the VGA resolution.