As some of you are aware a new HTC phone will be coming out Q1-Q2 called Alpine (XDA II i , ? iMatePDA ?, Etc as usual). On the plus side it will have a faster processor (500Mhz) and higher resolution camera (1.3MegaPixlels) but on the negative side the design is based on the older Himalaya and so there’s no sliding thumboard.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=82550#82550
My main issue is that the upcoming Alpine will be designed to support and probably ship with PPC'005 and that is something worth considering when stacking it up against the BlueAngle.
If PPC005 will be available as an upgrade on the Blue Angle and it runs just as well as on the Alpine -- then I like the keyboard and layout on the Angle. But what if PPC'005 borrows from the Wintel playbook of old and requires more Mhz or Rom or other hardware novelty and that is the real reason HCT are releasing the Alpine so hot on the heels of what is otherwise a successful product just now maturing to the point where most of the bugs are fixed.
I still have the first model these guys made and remember what a joke the MS PPC was -- not even supporting SMS sender recognition etc .. and how long it took to get 2003 working and the associated hardship involved. As a result of that I have complete and utter faith that the master cooks in this forum like Lump will come up with a fix to get '005 on the Angle -- but if it is a big problem, then perhaps I should just make the best out of having a circa 1999 spec MegaPixel camera in my pocket all the time.
Anyone have any ideas about PPC'005 compatibility with the Blue Angle ?? Unfortunately I cant find a lot of information on the subject but theres a nice PPC’005 review in Spanish: http://www.portalppc.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1627
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2005 update for Blue Angel???
Hi dlexik,
I think that HTC would be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't allow a 2005 upgrade to thier units. For all we know it might not be up to them but the carriers who load them and brand them. Here'e an example. I have been dealing with the after effects from Toshiba's lack of customer support when they were never going to upgrade the E740 units and I went bought out 250 qty of thier E750 units from a liquidator. After going through them and trying to find the 2003 upgrade for all of them when they only offered it for 4 months and then pulled it long before I found out about it. It took 25 phone calls in 3 countries for me to make them realize that if they didn't want all of the units getting shipped back them which were still under warranty! Finally, one of the upper brass sent me a copy of the upgrade CD based on the fact I had a mass quanity of thier product.
BUT!! It sould not be that way. Before Microsoft releases the new update,
right now all of these carriers are deciding: 1.) Whether to make a good patch to correct all the issues. 2.) Wait for the MS update software and write thier fixes into it. 3.) Do nothing and concentrate on making people buy the next better model that might have as much issues as we are facing now. I urge everyone to keep pushing these carriers and HTC for not coming through on a product that so many people have paid much so money for that deserves the utmost attention!
I am going to make my donation to the forum and I am going to start harping some carriers and probably HTC.
Cheers Everyone!
I think that from past record, it is extremely unlikely that the carriers will release 2005 for older products very soon after it is released.
Why would they want to pay MS to license a new OS when they've already got our money?
We'll no doubt have to wait until someone inevitably does a backwards port to our 'old' units.
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My main issue is that the upcoming Alpine will be designed to support and probably ship with PPC'005
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http://www.ppcw.net/?itemid=2137
According to info released from O2 the Xda IIi will ship with 2003SE, although must be a newer version than blue angel as its supposed to have WMP10.
JD
I recently bought an ETEN M500 because of the announcement that it would be upgradable to WM2005 and the size of the device. The extra software on the M500 is nothing short of amazing. Never have I seen a pocket pc with so many apps out of the box. I did not have to install SPB Pocket Plus, Pocket Zen or Voice Command. It had similar programs already. And voice dial over bluetooth, WOW, it's about time. So why am I returning to the XDA II. Signal strength. The M500 has horrible reception, I get 4 bars in my house with my XDA II. The M500 couldn't get a signal without me walking outside, not even in the garage with the door open, I had to be outside away from any trees in the open. Yeah, crazy. Maybe they should have spend less time on the apps and focused on building an adequate phone first. None of that matters if you can't use the thing. I also note, even when it showed full bars, the voice of the other person would break in and out. Using my HS820 with the XDA II no one can even tell I am using a headset. Using it with the ETEN, the first thing I heard from everyone was, " what the hell is wrong with your phone". Maybe I just got a defecto, but that would be a reason to keep away as well.
o...is it really a bad machines? How much u paid for it???
I was in the same boat kermit780, but the M500s still a very good device and theres no way in hell I'd go back to a present mda/xda/imate-type product.
This phone was not made with North America in mind (yet) so there are obvious frequency issues- particularly with the 1900mhz range. Eten is on the ball when it comes to issue with this product though. If not the upcoming firmware upgrade, I'm sure the next one will have some sort of radio fix. I'm trying to sell one right now- the primary reason being I needed something with qwerty. The lack of signal as annoying as it was- only secondary because I know it will be a fix to that soon enough.
And no I wouldn't buy a pda2k for that. Its not the size issue- I like going throgh these forums to see whats new out there...not to spend 3+ hours a day searching for a "hack" for something or other. Down right embarassing the amount of money spent on htc phones and the guy standing next to me on the subway with his $200 americanized crap technology Isn't so crap after all because it actually does (did) more than my mda2.
Just my opinion though...M500s a very, very good phone. It will be a great phone once the frequency issue is resolved but doesn't matter if you're not in N American anyway.
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well this thread is for anyone who uses a mac and wants to use pocket pc's till the iphone comes out ok?
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well this thread is for anyone who uses a mac and wants to use pocket pc's till the iphone comes out ok?
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this thread was guaranteed to fail seeing as your promoting the iPhone, when we have so many sleepless nights trying to prove they're not as good as Pocket PCs.
but seeing as i kno i'm talkin to a Mac user, i wanna ask a couple of qus lol. i'm getting one as a leaving school present and can u flash roms on them? are they tweakable? what limitations do they have with hardware you can put in...ie hard drives, flash drives, feature phones etc.
thanks for your time
basically with the iphone you can do sweet FA. not even 3rd party apps can be used, only what comes with the phone. this + low screen resolution + poor battery + No 3G means i would NEVER consider get one.
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basically with the iphone you can do sweet FA. not even 3rd party apps can be used, only what comes with the phone. this + low screen resolution + poor battery + No 3G means i would NEVER consider get one.
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lol - i those 'hello, I'm a mac, and I'm a pc...' ads we have (in the uk at least) i hate that everything they say is backwards, and mac claim to be perfect for everyone 'out of the box'. what i love about pcs and ppcs is being able to make them work how i want
I can't believe the excuse for making it a closed system. "Third party apps will crash phone networks", I have tried to do things I shouldn't on networks and they don't crash so easy!
No 3g, why not throw in a nickel cadmium battery and make it really prehistoric?
Pocket PC has an image problem, regular people think it crashes. From my extensive use, it is very stable and any bugs normally get fixed because it is so open. IPone will be a flash in the pan. This is no ipod, there is real competition in the mobile computing market and it will not be so easy to dominate.
well, i for one am happy thats a closed system, no f*king arround so it wont get messed up. aslong it simply works its fine for me. and the thing itself is more appealing to me then the pda's, stupid windows has flaws all over the place.
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well, i for one am happy thats a closed system, no f*king arround so it wont get messed up. aslong it simply works its fine for me. and the thing itself is more appealing to me then the pda's, stupid windows has flaws all over the place.
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maybe xda-developers isnt really the place for you then also about windows having flaws, you saying mac doesnt? lol
how to flash on a mac?
I just moved and can not find the cords for my PC so I am having to use my wifes ibook for the next month until we move into our house.
Has anyone had any sucess flashing on a mac. I know there are tool out there to run PC programs but thought that somebody would have writen a guide but can not find it searching... Thanks for reading
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well, i for one am happy thats a closed system, no f*king arround so it wont get messed up. aslong it simply works its fine for me. and the thing itself is more appealing to me then the pda's, stupid windows has flaws all over the place.
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Hhaha.. it is like saying, "I'm happy that I do not have admins right to my PC, because I dont want to mess it", or "I'm happy that my car bonnet is locked so that I won't mess up the car". If you think you need to pay $$$$ to child-proof yourself from your own phone, go ahead. If you are on a budget, get yourself a Motorola MOTOFONE F3, it is close system.
ps: PPC phone works fine, it causes problems when people mess it up.
Ahhhhhhhhh, here people go again - Mac this, Windows that- it like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Ford Fiesta.
AFAIK most UK networks (at the moment) will not have the iPhone due to the price apple want for them £400+, lets see what happens at the time of Euro launch in late December of even early next year.
I certainly will not be purchasing one from the first edition even being a mac fan. My PPC works just fine with my Mac and my PC.
Its not about windows v mac. Its about why people can't admit that the iphone is crippled with poor features from day one. My Dopod D810 can perform every function available in the entire spectrum of mobile computing and in a fast reliable way over a 800kbs 3g hsdpa connection. Simultaneously.
I do about 250 mb of surfing a month on the phone and another 250 mb of surfing using my phone as a modem for my tablet. I don't think an iphone would be able to transfer 500 mb in a month even if I was willing to put up with the slow speed of non 3g networks.
I challenge any one to find a feature that the d810 can't perform. It is easy to find features lacking in the iphone because it has almost none. Apple are trying to sell a new software platform, and its the software that apple-ites are going to be paying $450usd on subsidy or $950USd outright for.
The iphone would have been a state of the art phone - 5 years ago.
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maybe xda-developers isnt really the place for you then also about windows having flaws, you saying mac doesnt? lol
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It has less
But of course, Mac users get the best of both worlds. Currently I'm using an iMac 24" for scanning, and my Ameo is hooked up to ActiveSync under XP Pro SP2; I can see the ActiveSync window, explore the device, etc, whilst I am using Mac apps, seamlessly.
Parallels in Coherence mode means I don't need to switch screens, let alone put up with a smaller window, or reboot.
IMO Mac OS X is the BEST desktop OS, and part of the stability is due to the relatively limited range of hardware that Apple has to support - they know exactly what computer it will run on, and make sure it is stable. All this "building your own PC" malarky is fine, and made a lot of sense when Apple machines were lagging seriously in the hardware stakes (1998, and I'd argue just prior to the release of Intel Macs, especially the lower end stuff like the Mac Mini) and couldn't really use the Pre-Windows '95 argument that for a newbie, the system was easier to use.
However, I also rather like Windows Mobile. The lack of integration/support drives me mad; Missing Sync only goes so far (it can't even sync the Nickname field, FFS - and that's supported in WM5 AND Apple Address Book as a default, not custom, tag). I've always found it necessary to keep a PC around for a few small tasks:
ActiveSync, and applications which need a PC to run the installer.
Running tools that do things like creating a floppy from an image for an old computer (like STs, QLs, that sort of thing)
I theoretically still can't write floppies, but that needs an older PC anyway; most of the newer ones have hardware that is utterly useless for this purpose.
Other than that, Mac does it all, and if you go by "what's in the box" for a Mac system, you get much better software - like GarageBand, iMovie HD, etc. Basically for a Mac to be useful for me, all I need to do is add Adobe Creative Suite and I'm sorted. And of course, I don't need to muck about making the colour calibration work
As developers for WM, I'm sure the Mac is utterly useless to you anyway. Though many "developers" rather like the environment and tools Apple give you with every Mac system
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I challenge any one to find a feature that the d810 can't perform. It is easy to find features lacking in the iphone because it has almost none. Apple are trying to sell a new software platform, and its the software that apple-ites are going to be paying $450usd on subsidy or $950USd outright for.
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Where are you getting those prices? Apple has stated repeatedly that the iPhone has a retail price. No subsidies. The retail price is $499 or something along those lines.
Personally, I will get an iPhone if it works well as a phone. As a PDA, it lacks a keyboard and 3G connectivity. My Ameo is better.
I Run OSX and Server 2003 on my PC so by no means am I a die-hard windows fan, but neither am i for Mac, they both have their perks and flaws. I do think the Iphone will be crap though xD
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I Run OSX and Server 2003 on my PC so by no means am I a die-hard windows fan, but neither am i for Mac, they both have their perks and flaws. I do think the Iphone will be crap though xD
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I agree, for some reason it does not excite me. maybe with the next update it would be better. No question though I would buy one later in a year or two after I upgraded my MBP to the new magnetized (not one of those hook models) and an easily upgradeable hard drives and a better battery design. Maybe a brighter 2nd or 3rd gen led display with quad core intel processor with a huge SSD drives
i heard it on the last edition of mac break weekly. Download the podcast at twit.tv
It's a rumour.
Apple has, repeatedly, said two things about iPhone:
It will be $499 and $599
It does NOT adhere to the standard subsidy model. It's not an overpriced $500 N73 with massive discounting to the operator/kickbacks from the operator.
Therefore, AT&Ts contract terms will more reflect the demand for the iPhone.
It will probably not be available without a contract. Cingular/AT&T will be banking on this device to gain them subscribers through sheer demand. The European model may well be different, but since the current suggestions from firms like iSuppli is that the BOM for the iPhone runs to a tad under $240, the 50% margin already applying and Apple's established market position means that the most likely outcome in the UK will not be a tie in to a single operator, but rather, the operators and resellers (like Carphone Warehouse) will compete on subsidising their contracts in much the same way as they currently do - for example, if you want a rubbish phone from one of the many cuthroat resellers getting £200-500 kickbacks for each contract they provide, they will give you a PS3, or a Nintendo Wii, or an iPod... you get the idea.
The iPhone UK price will most likely be around £329-£449 given our horrific taxation (and the fact that our prices INCLUDE tax at 17.5%), looking at the difference in iPods costs US/UK, and the UK market iPhone will probably be offered unlocked by default as a premium product, with the networks/resellers clamouring to offer it on their tariffs. If they they apply the same marketing model, then the iPhone would cost most users around £99-199, but it depends on what the operators reckon they can get away with.
Bear in mind that the Ameo costs £640 off contract. The Advantage is about £700. When you get it ON contract, it costs £119-400ish depending on the deal you get thanks to the network subsidy - and the stores often have a bit they can use to further reduce the price; they appear to be getting cheaper as you would expect. T-Mobile is doing well; as a result of my getting an Ameo at least four of my small network of friends have either bought or intend to buy one, partially because T-Mobile's data plans are insanely good compared to other UK networks.
Suggesting that the 8MB, non-3G iPhone is going to cost nearly as much as the Advantage off contract is insane, and probably what is known as FUD. Apple are far from stupid about the consumer market, as the success of the iPod, the growing market share of the MacBook/Pro and iMac, and utter dominance of the online music market shows.
You sure put a lot of thought into this. I think it will be sold outright at apple shops for $950. Prove me wrong in a few weeks.
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You sure put a lot of thought into this. I think it will be sold outright at apple shops for $950. Prove me wrong in a few weeks.
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Sure. $50 says that the iPhone will not be sold for $950 in Apple shops, or indeed, anywhere officially for that sort of money. eBay idiocy does not apply; stories of "an iPhone sold for $1500 on eBay" are not Apple's decision making or pricing.
Look at the iMac. Look at the MacBook.
How much is the MacBook? It's $1099. With dual-core CPUs, WiFi, Bluetooth, HD, 1GB RAM, 13.3" screen, DVD/CDRW drive.
An iMac? $999. For a 17", dual-core, etc...
An 80GB iPod is only $349.
So. If you REALLY believe that the iPhone will ever be sold, retail, for $950, then I'll be happy to take your money. However, I will have to decline if you ever tell me you have any plans for business, because you're clearly not thinking in terms of sound business models for Apple - and I'm thinking that the company with several billion dollars in the bank, no operating debt, stock at a record high, and increasing marketshare, is going to make the right choices - rather than a third-hand rumour from someone silly enough to believe it
And yes, if the iPhone DOES go on sale in the Apple store for $950, I'll give YOU your $50, and despair at the stupidity of Apple's marketing department after nearly six years of them actually getting it (spectaculalrly) right for once
Oh, and just to be absolutely sure, these are US$, in the US market we're talking. No popping up in 2009 saying "Hey, it's HK$950! in Asia!" *grin*.
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I Run OSX and Server 2003 on my PC so by no means am I a die-hard windows fan, but neither am i for Mac, they both have their perks and flaws. I do think the Iphone will be crap though xD
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I don't think the iPhone will be crap, I just don't think it will be compelling to anyone aufait with HTC's products. For the N95 crowd, I'm sure it will be very exciting indeed, and with good reason, but WE know that these things can be done better.
Internet in my pocket? Pah! I was doing that with my Clié UX50 in 2004 "Blogging" on the road in Canada with the built in camera. And that was "backwards" tech, IMO, there were better solutions out there. The Ameo has proper internet browsing/full net experience in a mobile phone, and frankly, in terms of that useage it's hardly moved the game on from the Universal.
And just to balance out the Mac vs. PC thing a tad more, I'm getting a new computer in the office soon at least for a little while. Apple don't make anything like it.
Dell XPS M2010. It'll be absolutely ideal for running devices like the Hasselblad H31D "on the road" at a professional level, doing presentations, and of course, entertainment (hello, my very own 20" LCD in hotel rooms!).
Windows is a secondary concern, the hardware design is extremely compelling.
I opened up the Market this morning, as I do most monings before I even wash my face ..... and was impressed with the following application.
https://www.wisepilot.com
I've used it once already, and although it got slightly confused with what I requested, I wanted to visit E10 and it took me to E15 ...... but it looks promising!
What do you think?
gah... looks nice I guess but subscription based.... ick. Better pricing than telenav I guess...
Telenav is actually the same price of $99/year at the moment, and you can get a 30-day trial, as opposed to Wisepilot's 5-day trial. Telenav also has an option for a 4-year subscription for $250. Wisepilot's trial didn't seem to work for me here in Phoenix, and I notice others have had problems in some states (and others have not). I'll mess with it again some time this weekend, and hopefully will be able to figure it out. I'm definitely going to give the 30-day trial of Telenav a shot though.
I'd personally prefer a GPS app that had a one-time fee, however, even if it didn't have every fancy feature that Telenav and others might. Why pay $100+ a year when I could just get a stand-alone GPS for the same price, or less, and not pay monthly fees?
-John
Same old crap. None of them will be getting one thin dime from me until there is no longer the subscription nonsense and the data is stored on my card.
I think that it was the RIM POS phones that lacked expandable storage that led to these stupid subscription GPS services.
I love how everyone wants everything for free
I tried it, was ok but you cant select addresses from your contacts as a destination so, uninstall for me.
And the monthly pricing is rather lame as well. I already pay $30 a month for the data service just to even be able to access the gps maps, then have to pay what they want on top of it. Yeah, you might as well just get a stand alone navigator, would be cheaper anyway.
The maps app has just enough for what i need right now.
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You didn't read carefully......we don't want it free. We're willing to pay. We're *not* willing to pay on a subscription basis.
Two things that the user market is yearning for in a GPS app with realtime nav:
1. One time fee that's less than the cost of a standalone GPS unit
2. Standalone maps that aren't dependent on having a network connection
My wife got so frustrated on a trip this week with the lack of proper navigation apps for the G1 that rather than paying the subscription fee for Telenav she went and bought a Garmin Nuvi for $100 that's widescreen and speaks the street names.
Personally I'm finding it more and more likely I'm going to jump over to a Garmin M60 NuviPhone when they launch soon as I'm equally frustrated with the navigation functions on the G1.
The only thing holding me back is the hope that somehow I'll be happy enough with AndNav (which I have donated to!).....they finally ordered (and received!) most of the server hardware they needed to support a dedicated US server for routing. I'll give it an honest shot and see how that goes.
Im not trying to come off as a know-it-all.
Don't you have to buy the maps for stand-alone GPS units?
It depends, I believe I had to pay for my Garmin updates, but not not when I had my TomTom. Although I could be mistaken (short memory).
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It depends, I believe I had to pay for my Garmin updates, but not not when I had my TomTom. Although I could be mistaken (short memory).
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TomTom is the same way. I think maps are $40/per update which means you can update twice a year for the price of Telenav and still have change leftover. That is if you don't need trafic (which I think there's a free app for that on G1) or millions of poi (and tomtom does have some poi, just not too many)
I just saw that MicroCenter has refurbed TomTom One for $79. I'm so frustrated with G1 situation that I might jump on that deal.
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Same old crap. None of them will be getting one thin dime from me until there is no longer the subscription nonsense and the data is stored on my card.
I think that it was the RIM POS phones that lacked expandable storage that led to these stupid subscription GPS services.
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Get your wallet out Copilot Live 8 is here! Maps are saved to the SD card.. no data usage if you don't want it to.
If you ask me, $250 for four years is not a bad price. For everything that TeleNav does (gas, traffic, weather, etc etc) you'd be dropping around that (sometimes more) on a device that does all it does. And usually a GPS unit isn't going to last for the average consumer four years. Either they will break it somehow or the new and improved will come out, they will want it and they will drop another $200+ on it.
Price is completely justified for the features it has. If you want a simple turn-by-turn GPS with no bells and whistles, then no, it isn't for you.
The only thing I can't understand is why we can't use the google maps, it has the information and has real-time location and shows our location on route. Even it were just as simple as turn by turn it should be able to be done I would think. BUT, what do I know.
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The only thing I can't understand is why we can't use the google maps, it has the information and has real-time location and shows our location on route. Even it were just as simple as turn by turn it should be able to be done I would think. BUT, what do I know.
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It has to do with map licensing.
It definitely *could be done*, it is just against the terms of use.
You see, google doesn't produce the maps, somebody else does, and this somebody else doesn't want turn-by-turn navigation being given away for free since they charge a premium for their turn-by-turn customers (i.e. tomtom or whatever).
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Thats not it at all, the subscription model usually leads to lazy design which leads to you being screwed when you drive out of the data plans range, no data link? NO GPS! Sick of that crap, why the hell call it a GPS if its really a local network capable navigation device.
Get CoPilot, least it works all the time.
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Thats not it at all, the subscription model usually leads to lazy design which leads to you being screwed when you drive out of the data plans range, no data link? NO GPS! Sick of that crap, why the hell call it a GPS if its really a local network capable navigation device.
Get CoPilot, least it works all the time.
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Do you know for sure if this is what happens with TeleNav? How do you know that it won't continue to work (the map at least) if you lose data? It may just use the data for the traffic/weather/etc info.
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Do you know for sure if this is what happens with TeleNav? How do you know that it won't continue to work (the map at least) if you lose data? It may just use the data for the traffic/weather/etc info.
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It definitely doesn't keep working. If you lose network, you lose nav. Think of it like this; if it doesn't have the data, how can it generate a route from the data? The ONLY way that a nav program can generate a route without network is if the data is stored locally, and this takes up a lot of space; copilot for north america takes up 1 GB on the sdcard. Telenav installs fully to internal memory and is called telenav for a reason... TELE = remote + NAV = navigation, i.e. it runs off their servers and not your phone.
How come andnav2 doesnt get much attention?
I think its great.
Oops. Double postings.