Is there anyway to lock and unlock using fingerprints with the touchscreen on the fuze? I was just curious because that would be so sweet!!
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Is there anyway to lock and unlock using fingerprints with the touchscreen on the fuze?
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oh yeah. that would be great. Stick this thread ;-)
By using biometrics? No, the screen it touch sensitive, it's not capable of actually reading data from your fingers.
I'm 99.99999% sure this is a no go.The phones that do have this feature have a dedicated fingerprint reader, not just the touch screen
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I'm 99.99999% sure this is a no go.The phones that do have this feature have a dedicated fingerprint reader, not just the touch screen
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not really..the iphone has a touch screen and its capable of reading your fingerprint
Sorry man, but its not possible. I can also confirm that the iphone can not identify finger prints. You maybe talking about an app that I once saw, that made it look like it was reading your fingerprint, when in actual fact it was jus a trick to play on your friends and would work if anyone put there finger on it.
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Sorry man, but its not possible. I can also confirm that the iphone can not identify finger prints. You maybe talking about an app that I once saw, that made it look like it was reading your fingerprint, when in actual fact it was jus a trick to play on your friends and would work if anyone put there finger on it.
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Then can someone make a Cab. file like the slide to unlock but this time you gotta like hold a certain area of the phone's screen for like, lets say 5-10 sec. and it unlocks the screen, we can put a fake fingerprint sections where you place your finger and it unlocks the phone..you know, make it look like it has a fingerprint scan unlocker..
and then there can be like a bar in the bottoms saying "scanning" or something, then access granted..lol
I dont know I would give it a shot if I knew how to make apps or cabs...
lol, lets get the gps lag fixed before we start making fake fingerprint scanners.
there is an app where you slide ur finger in a certain pattern to unlock the phone...kind of like what the tmobile g1 has..its called throttle lock or something..maybe thats what ur looking for
You can't use the screen to scan fingerprints. However, I suppose you could use the camera to "scan" a finger. It would be difficult to actually code the algorithm to detect a certain fingerprint everytime with any accuracy. But with a good enough pic (black & white, high contrast, etc), I suppose it could be done.
Probably more awkward than useful...but would definitely make a nice show-offy app.
Slide to Unlock software (S2U2) is already out there. Here's the post. It's not a fingerprint scanner though.
The touch screen and driver report events as PenDown(pixely,pixelx), PenUp(pixely,pixelx)
You'd be putting on a big ol show to claim to read a fingerprint from that
Oooooh very good point by Da_G, and a definite topic ender. We would need multitouch functionality for this to work. and even then it'd be a bloody struggle. I'm still sticking with my initial response of not possible
What could be cool is that you scan your thumbprint, make an image of it, make a locking app that has you press the screen at a certain pressure and unlocks 1 sec later, so when you slide your finger off, it shows the scanned image of your thumbprint I thought the phone can also sense the pressure?
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What could be cool is that you scan your thumbprint, make an image of it, make a locking app that has you press the screen at a certain pressure and unlocks 1 sec later, so when you slide your finger off, it shows the scanned image of your thumbprint I thought the phone can also sense the pressure?
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Wouldn't getting the same pressure all the time be really hard? Like you would have to basically set it to maximum pressure setting so that you can just press kinda hard on the phone? Maybe we can do what you said with image of the thumbprint and then make it so that you have to place your thumb in a certain quadrant of the phone for it to recognize or multiple quadrants with multiple variations of one thumb so you can say " oh it scans my finger three times for accurate analysis of my finger print" lol
There is a reason why there are devices with extra built-in biometric finger sensor.. even on touch screen devices like older iPaq Pocket PCs, some touch screen laptops (eg Fujitsu).. Touch screen is not possible to detect minute things like lines on fingers. Touch screen detects only area pressure..
and now we all wonder when touch screen will be able to detect the tiny lines on a thumb. Or if it would be easier to just have it detect the ph of your thumb and the phone registers that this person is my owner and unlocks. Or detects DNA... anyways, i believe nanotechnology will need to be implemented and atleast a decade for these to come about but when it does, it could be very interesting to see what people come up with.
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You can't use the screen to scan fingerprints. However, I suppose you could use the camera to "scan" a finger. It would be difficult to actually code the algorithm to detect a certain fingerprint everytime with any accuracy. But with a good enough pic (black & white, high contrast, etc), I suppose it could be done.
Probably more awkward than useful...but would definitely make a nice show-offy app.
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I hate to continue this thread the community doesn't seem to like to discuss, but that seems quite possible since there are photo-recognizing programs on the PC, but they are not very reliable from what I hear. Doubt it'd be much better on a phone.
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I hate to continue this thread the community doesn't seem to like to discuss, but that seems quite possible since there are photo-recognizing programs on the PC, but they are not very reliable from what I hear. Doubt it'd be much better on a phone.
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A lil bit off subject but along the same lines... are there any programs out right now that I can use my camera and do OCR to make a text or pdf file? it'd be sooo useful to have an app like that.
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I may be being totally daft, but I can't seem to find anywhere in the interface that has the supposed TouchFlo features. The contact app seems to be just the regular WM6 one.
Can someone please give me an example of where the TouchFlo features are used on the Kaiser?
It's pretty subtle, if you are in a long document, say contacts, you can touch the screen downward in a sweeping motion and the contacts should scroll down continuously. You should hear clicking like a roulette wheel, slowing down till it stops. (You can disable that sound). This works vertical and horizontal (if there is reason to scroll).
It's pretty subtle. Some have complained that it doesn't work well with IE and have loaded Opera-Mini to get that functionality to work better. I've tried both and they seem to work OK for me.
It's not very well implemented.
This is the difference between actually creating something useful and adding a feature just to have it on a checklist ("can scroll using flick like iphone") !
Thanks for the replies, I finally get it. It's pretty lame as-is, I really hope someone will manage to extend the functionality in a custom rom in the future.
Odie85 said:
Thanks for the replies, I finally get it. It's pretty lame as-is, I really hope someone will manage to extend the functionality in a custom rom in the future.
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It is not that lame, in my opinion. actually, it is rather more useful than the whole cube-thing implemented on the Touch. ie, if your in the car and try to get to a certain contact or scroll a word doc, it is a lot easier to just touch the screen with your finger rather than use the stylus to scroll using the scroll bars.
i like this feature and i dont consider it as a just-to-be-there feature.
I'm pretty sure my palm pda/phone from 5 years ago had Touch Flo
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It is not that lame, in my opinion. actually, it is rather more useful than the whole cube-thing implemented on the Touch. ie, if your in the car and try to get to a certain contact or scroll a word doc, it is a lot easier to just touch the screen with your finger rather than use the stylus to scroll using the scroll bars.
i like this feature and i dont consider it as a just-to-be-there feature.
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Is Touchflo easier to use than the scroll wheel?
does down on the dpad not work?
eric b
RacerX10 said:
I'm pretty sure my palm pda/phone from 5 years ago had Touch Flo
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Yeah.... and pigs might fly...
Is there a reg tweak to alter the direct of the scrolling...so when i wipe down the screen it scrolls down instead of up?
It seemes to me as though its the wrong way round.
Moaske said:
Yeah.... and pigs might fly...
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no, seriously .. i remember using my finger to scroll pages on it's browser .. Samsung SPH-i300
check this page :
http://www.palm.com/us/products/handhelds/e2/e2_blazer.html
and note :
Improved Usability
Drag the stylus anywhere on screen to scroll a web page. Increase viewable content on the screen with the small font option. Get essential starting tips through the Help menu.
Isn't that what TouchFlo does ?
J273 said:
Is there a reg tweak to alter the direct of the scrolling...so when i wipe down the screen it scrolls down instead of up?
It seemes to me as though its the wrong way round.
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imagine a piece of paper that you could only see though a small hole (screensize). if you pressed your finger down on the paper, and slide it toward you (down), the text on that paper would appear to scroll up, and vice versa...
by the time someone finds the reg tweak, we'll all probably be used to it...
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imagine a piece of paper that you could only see though a small hole (screensize). if you pressed your finger down on the paper, and slide it toward you (down), the text on that paper would appear to scroll up, and vice versa...
by the time someone finds the reg tweak, we'll all probably be used to it...
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Yeah i know what your saying...But to me it just seems wrong which is why i pretty much don't use it.....Im pretty much used to now scrolling using the scroll bar.
and to me it would be much more useful if it was the other way.
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Is there a reg tweak to alter the direct of the scrolling...so when i wipe down the screen it scrolls down instead of up?
It seemes to me as though its the wrong way round.
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You want it to act like the scroll bar, basically.
TouchFlo=Iphone WannaBe Marketing Trick
Someone else said earlier and they were dead on: all these top of the line pocket pc /cell phone makers got blind sided by Apple's touch screen, which basically makes the Iphone.
So a smart alec at HTC said "let's whip out a touch flo phone, out comes the HTC Touch, and now let's plaster touch technology everywhere on each model as a marketing gimmick to keep up with the Jones' "
I mean 1 million Iphones sold since June 29th as of today...what choice did they have?
The reslut: Touch Flo technology a la cheap, not using the right screen (Iphone screens cost up the wazoo and are made by Balda of Germany) and is basically no different than the D pad...so NO, HTC phones do not have ANY touch tech. yet.
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It is not that lame, in my opinion. actually, it is rather more useful than the whole cube-thing implemented on the Touch. ie, if your in the car and try to get to a certain contact or scroll a word doc, it is a lot easier to just touch the screen with your finger rather than use the stylus to scroll using the scroll bars.
i like this feature and i dont consider it as a just-to-be-there feature.
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Well if you are driving, you shouldn't be using your phone, either with stylus or finger.
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Is Touchflo easier to use than the scroll wheel?
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For me it is. especially if it is in internet explorer, where the scroll wheel jumps from link to link, while the touchflo scrolls pages. i know we can modify the scroll wheel behaviour to scroll pages as well, but as it came from the factory this is the behaviour.
plus, if u are driving, it is easier to just touch the display once rather than keep your finger pressed on the d-button or on the wheel.
just my 0.05USD..
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Well if you are driving, you shouldn't be using your phone, either with stylus or finger.
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well, excuse me, mr. officer..
i love the touchflo...works just like the iphone especially when working with large spreadsheets.
I love the touchflo as well. VueFlo sux compared to TouchFlo
Is anyone aware of a program that will let you unlock your phone by using a gesture? Seems like TouchFlo should be able to do this, but it doesn't.
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Is anyone aware of a program that will let you unlock your phone by using a gesture? Seems like TouchFlo should be able to do this, but it doesn't.
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s2u2 (slide to unlock?)
s2u2 is too simple (a simple swipe across the bottom of the screen, besides the fact that it tells you how to unlock it RIGHT ON THE SCREEN).
I'm looking for a program that will unlock the phone if I make a more complicated gesture, such as drawing a backwards "S" or an "X" that starts from the bottom.
Any programmers out there willing to make an app like this?
This sounds really cool, hell maybe even having an option to preprogram a gesture. I'd be in on this.
That does sound cool. I don't password protect my phone but in a way this would be a simple protection mechanism.
Even something that locks it after XX seconds/minutes...
I agree. I'd love this feature. This could be done as a possible fork of S2U. Call it G2U. I'd still like to have the front screen of S2U.
i dont think this would be very hard with the S2U2 interface. i know you can easily adjust how far you have to slide the actuall slider, and im sure it wouldnt be very hard to make a different shape. You could also add a color that would blend in with the background and not be visible, this is easily dont already...
DUDE! You read my mind... I've been using a PPC H5555 for years utilizing the built in fingerprint reader to unlock the device.
I almost want to remove the security on my TILT because it is a hassle...
<<< Gesture to unlock will make the developer FAMOUS >>>
That would be beyond awesome.
OK, so it sounds like we're all in agreement that this would be a good thing.
Who's up to the challenge?!?
Has anyone sent a message to the guy that does the dev on SU2U. I think that would be a great place to start.
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Has anyone sent a message to the guy that does the dev on SU2U. I think that would be a great place to start.
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Good idea. I just PM'd him.
Jeff
I think this is a cool idea also. G2U would be a pretty interesting concept. I'm not sure if it could ever fully protect a phone, but it does make it harder, esp if it invokes upon start up and soft reset into locked status.
As an aside, in S2U2, you can change the graphics of both the slider and the slide path already. So, you could lock the screen and have an "invisible" slide to unlock button and path. I realize this isn't what G2U would be, and it isn't as secure as G2U would be, BUT it does provide a small measure of extra security. I might try this tonite. Not EVERYONE knows to Slide to Unlock!
microsoft already thought about that...i think thats one of the feature in wm7...(too bad it will take a hell lot of time to release )
Here's the reply I got from A_C, the developer of S2U2:
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That's interesting but out of my ability. It's something like hand writing recognition...
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Too bad! Is anyone else up to the challenge???
Jeff
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s2u2 is too simple (a simple swipe across the bottom of the screen, besides the fact that it tells you how to unlock it RIGHT ON THE SCREEN).
I'm looking for a program that will unlock the phone if I make a more complicated gesture, such as drawing a backwards "S" or an "X" that starts from the bottom.
Any programmers out there willing to make an app like this?
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What are you, James Bond? lol
How about something that accepted hardkey presses & taps in quadrants of the screen & needed the sequence in the right order before unlocking?
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How about something that accepted hardkey presses & taps in quadrants of the screen & needed the sequence in the right order before unlocking?
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Yeah, that would probably work too, but's not too much different than typing in a password to unlock. I'd like something more simple to perform.
Jeff
Has anyone talked to the person that made iTask? Maybe it would be easier to make it in flash lite, like what he does.
I'll give 10 bucks to whoever makes an app like this. Maybe a money pool, such as the driver bounty would be good. Anyone else want to pitch in?
EDIT: Make it 20 if you can edit it your own and customize it. Similar to writing using the transcriber.
John Wang - CMO
Here is a video with John Wang showing off some unique and innovative features of the HTC Touch Diamond.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd3SUPSJsM
Enjoy...
Very nice. Other handy features (not sure about uniqueness) include the case with microfibres that clean the device, and the toughened glass protecting the screen.
Also some nice pictures here:
http://www.mpro.net/?chid=16&pid=14&page=1&t=9&[email protected]
Brilliant, the camera application also has OCR to read business cards check out the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSv6Eg27KWo
Just seen a few more demo’s the attention to detail is brilliant.
Along with flipping the phone over to mute the ringtone, during a call if you remove the stylus the note application starts. If the phone is off and the stylus is removed the phone also turns on to the home screen, ready to be used.
The stylus itself is magnetic and not the silo, to make sure the stylus won’t fall out. There is a microswitch inside the silo which is used to detect when the stylus has been removed.
The scroll wheel is capacitive, and has a number of led’s that flash in a circular fashion and changes with different status messages.
The charger itself is a USB socket, and a mirror black finish, once plugged in a small HTC logo glows white to indicate it is on.
The video recording at VGA is smooth, and clear outdoors with the autofocus working really well. It records in MPEG4 and H.263 with a 2 second, 10 second or unlimited record time.
The backlight also auto adjusts with the light sensor located in the earpiece.
Great Stuff...
Yeah, really good stuff. I've got a list of these cool handy features that the Touch Diamind has, on my desktop, and I just keep on adding to it...
paste list!
OK...It's only notes, so it might have a few inaccuracies created by my summarisation. Here it is so far:
- If you flip over the TD when someone is calling, it mutes itself (but does not reject the call).
- When you take out the stylus during a phone call, it starts up the note application.
- When you take out the stylus while the device is off, it turns the device on.
- The buttons below the screen are real buttons and touch sensitive. This is capacitive Touch sensitivity, so it can sense the proximity of skin and, for example, focus the camera in preperation for the taking of a photograph.
- The circular thing on the front has fancy LEDs that flash in different patterns when different things happen (e.g. new message).
- And the case is lined with a microfibre-style material that will clean both sides of the handset whenever it’s put in and taken out.
- Finally, there is toughened glass between the touch surface and the LCD screen, meaning it's pretty hard to break.
And then, from the post above:
"The charger itself is a USB socket, and a mirror black finish, once plugged in a small HTC logo glows white to indicate it is on.
The video recording at VGA is smooth, and clear outdoors with the autofocus working really well. It records in MPEG4 and H.263 with a 2 second, 10 second or unlimited record time.
The backlight also auto adjusts with the light sensor located in the earpiece."
according to the accessories forum/thread, the self cleaning case isnt included
I read on here somewhere it has OCR for the camera to capture business card info.
EDIT: LOL in this very thread
someone1234 said:
I read on here somewhere it has OCR for the camera to capture business card info.
EDIT: LOL in this very thread
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mark knew that one already... why thats useful i dont know.. i guess thats probably because im not a person who gets business cards
Oh yeah, I was going to add that to my list earlier. We really need a thread to list these random features.
just start one, and keep editing it.. maybe it'll get stickied.
maybe have whats included in the box at the top.
That's a good idea...
The new thread is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2233992
If anyone knows of any other features that could go in that list, or if anyone knows what's in the box, reply on that thread.
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That's a good idea...
The new thread is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2233992
If anyone knows of any other features that could go in that list, or if anyone knows what's in the box, reply on that thread.
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cool.. add the OCR thing, it might be usefull for some people.
I guess you could add another section with unconfirmed stuff.. like tomtom7.. and accesories like the extended battery with different back cover (which makes it a bit thicker).
stuff in the box: http://www.slashphone.com/htc-touch-diamond-unboxing-16485
I think I'll leave unconfirmed stuff off, and keep the list official, so it's more informative.
just saw your sig.. so which one you going to?
I picked Imperial over UCL for software engineering. I didnt apply to cambridge because it wasnt my kinda place
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just saw your sig.. so which one you going to?
I picked Imperial over UCL for software engineering. I didnt apply to cambridge because it wasnt my kinda place
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so true, mark is always saying why dindt i apply to CAM. its because they dont do auto engineering [to which he says i could have done mechanical] and because like you its not my kinda place...
Rory
No, Cambridge have an engineering tripos, within which you have to specialise. You just seem to want Automotive in the course title, Rory.
Obviously I'd like to to to Cambridge, but we'll see how my exams (which I should be revising for now) go. I had to reject Imperial, because they gave me the same offer as Cambridge. Thankfully, I didn't like Imperial anyway - the people there were amazingly overconfident in themselves. With no offence intended, I thought Imperial was much more like what everyone thinks Cambridge is like than Cambridge was. That's why I keep on telling Rory to go to Cambridge instead of prejudging it.
so I downloaded the latest diamond album to my kaiser to try it out and I like it but I can't rotate the picture the same way I could with the htcalbum... So I looked at the help file and saw that to rotate the picture all I had to do was turn the phone.. WOAH.. but didn't work... obv. I've been doing some research and it seems possible that we could trigger the screen rotation by turning the phone. It uses the camera to figure out your position.. Now I'm not nearly good enough at this stuff to figure it out on my own, but I did find a little game that is supposed to move the snake based on the movement of the camera, this might be a good place to start, but I couldn't even get the game working.. it's called "CC snake" (attached below) Looking for some ideas, maybe ripping out the controls from the game is a place to start?
http://www.clutch-productions.com/ccsnake.cab
I can confirm that this program runs on my old SDA (wm5 smartphone)... still get an error when trying it on my tilt
Dunno if this is relevant or not but a short while ago, i saw a website where someone had used the camera on a Nokia mobile (i think the phone was a 6600) to create a wireless optical mouse. You had the screen in the palm of your hand and the two hardware buttons were left click and right click. I believe the data was sent over bluetooth. It probably uses a similar technique to work out the direction of travel as you would use to work out orientation.
I haven't been able to find the original website but i did find this
www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/~sheridaj/publications/2005/PERMIDPointingDevices.pdf
which seems to be a paper about using a mobile phone camera as a pointing device. I haven't read it through as i'm at work but it could be useful?
I seem to remember the original site having code samples. If i find it, ill post the link.
(Tried to upload the pdf but the file is too big, sorry )
Edit: I believe i found some more info
here are some more links:
http://www.pyrofersprojects.com/blog/?page_id=41 - This guy reckons he's done it but he's not giving out the code
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT1h_ITR0G0 - The video i found, the related videos section looks like it might have some answers.
Please stop me if this isn't helpful!!
video looks bullocks...
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video looks bullocks...
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yeah, it would have been more convincing if he showed the phone actually moving the cursor although the comments link to slashdot (I didn't read the article tho)
this seems to be interesting, too
http://www.gesturetekmobile.com/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0srY37kkMw
you can control via motion - that's unquestionable. The problem with the 'mouse' concept is that the cam is right up against the table, so there's no light and hence no contrast, so, you can't lock.
if it is true though - i's cool, but in my mind, pointless. why not use a Mouse instead?
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0srY37kkMw
you can control via motion - that's unquestionable. The problem with the 'mouse' concept is that the cam is right up against the table, so there's no light and hence no contrast, so, you can't lock.
if it is true though - i's cool, but in my mind, pointless. why not use a Mouse instead?
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according to the guy's site, its for replacing a travel mouse or if you need a spare! pretty cool imo but i agree about the light source. Theres something not right about that video, did you check the others?
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according to the guy's site, its for replacing a travel mouse or if you need a spare! pretty cool imo but i agree about the light source. Theres something not right about that video, did you check the others?
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ok, here's what he says.
"Things didnt go entirely smoothly of course. The first thing everybody is probably saying is, but the camera only shows black when its flat on the mousepad! You are of course right, Light is needed. My temporary solution is to hold the phone about .6cm above the pad, letting light in the side. My camera picks up enough to see at this distance."
don't see him do that in the video, and the window which he moves on the screen stops for a couple of seconds right before the camera points at the phone. that's why i said it's bullocks. i'm no programmer, we've done a couple of games for eyeToy, so i know you need light and contrast. (that's obvious) notice in the link i posted the guys were wearing contrasting, flat t-shirts. (Blue t-shirt/yellow block etc) not sure that Monster of a camera on that Nokia can handle patternless black surface (mousepad from the video, even at 6cm).
EDIT : Ok - just noticed he sais .6cm , not 6 .
so, half a cm... .. i don't know...
anyway - i'm open minded... might as well be true.
so has anyone been able to get the game ccsnake to work on their kaiser? might be a place to start.
what about using a glow in the dark material as a mouse pad ?
Is there a mod currently available to lock the touchscreen by toggle, while retaining display, and ability to use trackball and keypad? Merry Xmas!! Thanx!
You could break your digitizer, try dropping it face down a few times and see if it breaks it. =p
I'm not sure which files control the touch input, and don't know if removing them will decrease stability. You could try to take a look at the disassembally guide and see if there is a hardware mod you could do as well.
But I'm sure you will get the question of why you want to do that. It sounds like you want to make it like a blackberry type phone.
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You could break your digitizer, try dropping it face down a few times and see if it breaks it. =p
I'm not sure which files control the touch input, and don't know if removing them will decrease stability. You could try to take a look at the disassembally guide and see if there is a hardware mod you could do as well.
But I'm sure you will get the question of why you want to do that. It sounds like you want to make it like a blackberry type phone.
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no, i def don't want a blackberry. I would just like having the screen on without the possibility of touch input sometimes. i.e when i put it in my pocket for a sec without locking the phone and bring it out and it's adding a widget, or on another screen. while using the keyboard it would also be nice to be able to lock the touch, especially if you are typing in more than one session so you cant disturb it by inadvertent swipes or touches. anyways it's just an idea and not something i'm willing to start breaking parts of my g1 to see if it will work. thought maybe someone else had the idea or maybe there was an app for that