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Hi Guys,
This is probably the best PDA forum. HTC should pay all you guys for creating this great forum for its overrated mobile.
TyTN II was the most $ I have ever spent on a mobile. With the price I pay, I could get a decent dual core laptop. But I wanted all things in one gadget and the news on TyTN II prior to its launch have made this mobile my dream mobile.
I was weary of the slow CPU speed. But after reading Qualcomm's specification of its CPU, that it is a dual core chip, I forced myself to believe that it will be faster than my old PDA that runs on Intel PXA270, 416MHZ. Unfortunately, I was mislead.
Sure, the TyTN II is stable, but I need to wait for 1-2 secs for it to register my command and than to react is totally not acceptable, especially I paid so much $ for it.
As for the Video, the first time I experienced, at best, the still moving pictures from an avi file had caused me great concern that my TyTn II is faulty. But now we all know that that phone is working under perfectly fine condition. Seriously, who has time to encode avi file down so that it can be viewed on TyTn II. I brought this phone to assist me and make my life more convenient, not the opposite.
So finally, I am trading in this phone at 64% of its original price (I have only used this phone for 5 months) for either Asus P750 or Gsmart MS800. I have ordered both of these new phones with the store for inspection and to make my final decision.
I am also frustrated with its inability to record telephone calls, which is one of necessary function for my job. I have spoken to a HTC sales and he told me that it is for privacy reason that they have make such a restriction. This is a load of BS. All large phone companies such as Nokia, SE, LG, and Moto have such a function.
Hope that I will also be able to find a native forum as good as this for Asus P750 or Gsmart MS800.
AND, I will never (during my time on earth) buy another HTC phone again... and I will certainly spread the word to all my friends not to buy any HTC phone either. HTC is good at make its first time customer its last time customer.
Guys, seriously, do you still believe that there is hope for the video driver or video improvement for HTC???
Get a life. Good luck with your new phone. Maybe they will have the video drivers you are looking for. We need to make a Sub Forum called "People Who ***** About HTC Products and Video Drivers"
goodbye, enjoy your new phone
honestly if anyone is tired of their kaiser, pls just sell it and leave, no need to whine about it or say goodbye. we really wont miss you at all.
all of us still holding on to our kaisers may be stupid from ur point of view, but we are all trying to make it work, hence the name xda-developers, not xda-whiners. if you dont like ur kaiser, sure you are entitled to your opinion, but ppl who choose to stay, dont really care, so just sell of your phone, piss off, and dont bother anyone. we dont really care to know what you feel about your device
well thx for telling us how u feel but we dont really care...its not like we're gonna follow suit cuz of u...research or try it out before u spend "so much $" on it...and whether new drivers are coming...who knows maybe or maybe not...this phone being not suitable to u doesnt mean it sucks or its bad in any way...just go get ur phone which suits u best...and live on
well... what more can I say..?
bye bye...
FYI, it's 'wary', not 'weary'. Good luck.
Seems like you want someone to sympathize. Pick one of the following responses:
1. Awww poor baby. There there.
2. I'll join you in abandoning HTC products.
(disclaimer: meh)
Good luck. and hope you can find the right PDA.
Tell it Wayne...
One whiner less....
This is nothing personal, but people are tired of new whining threads... plz just go and leave us alone with the whining.
If your friends belive the $ you talk it's their problem. Noone here cares if your friends like HTC or not. It doesn't matter for most if HTC sales some phones less or not. I still dont geht the point of such threads...
U think HTC will read this? U think it gets better if you buy a new one? Sry but every phones has it's issues... everything... here it is a video driver, other phones als cheaply manufactured, some have other bugs. There is nothing perfect. So wake up! The world is unfair.
Guys I am sorry but there is someone who tells us what he is doing now.
I believe HTC will never release the new drivers and at least they should see that people are selling the device now and will buy other brand in the future.
HP h4150 (best device I ever had)
Magican (it was fantastic but not that fast as the h4150)
TyTn1 (was ****)
Trinity (same **** like TyTn1, color pealing blahh blahh. but at least smaller)
now this stupid Kaiser (good device but not ready for the market)
I have bought 4 devices from HTC and only one was that what I am expecting to get.
And now you Guys are blaming him because he tells in a open letter what he will do?
Nice one!
HTC cheaters
I agree with the first post of this thread.
lot of people are addicted to flashing roms (me too), the fact that Kaiser is a disaster will never be acknowledged bec we have paid good amount for this and we refuse to give up or accept the facts. Till how long, will this go on. when will HTC be made to change their attitude, an attitude of taking consumers for granted, show me any hardware of their's which is perfect, either the speaker or camera will let u down. people who have criticized the first post should realise that people didnt go out to buy a phone with bad camera, speaker and display issues. Fact is we all have been duped by HTC. and if people here think things can be solved by xda everytime so lets buy htc, then its not right. I hope someday XDA dev manufacture a great phone , probably it will be the perfect phone.
gqstatus0685 said:
Get a life. Good luck with your new phone. Maybe they will have the video drivers you are looking for. We need to make a Sub Forum called "People Who ***** About HTC Products and Video Drivers"
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Unnecessary! It's a forum for people to voice their opinions and thats all he was doing. Fine, if you don't agree with his post, thats up to you but it's like my parents used to tell me "If you don't have anything nice to say.... don't say anything at all"
This is kind of one of the reasons why I try not to post here too much. Too many people all wanting to jump down someones throat when they disagree with a post, r the reason for posting. It's not just here, it's the same with any forum you go to. It's sad really.
Even though you think he's whining, it doesn't get better with the negative answers you give him. He just tells us he's made a choice.
The rudeness to him in the following posts is not worthy of an xda-developer.
Stay friendly.
viewedit said:
I agree with the first post of this thread.
lot of people are addicted to flashing roms (me too), the fact that Kaiser is a disaster will never be acknowledged bec we have paid good amount for this and we refuse to give up or accept the facts. Till how long, will this go on. when will HTC be made to change their attitude, an attitude of taking consumers for granted, show me any hardware of their's which is perfect, either the speaker or camera will let u down. people who have criticized the first post should realise that people didnt go out to buy a phone with bad camera, speaker and display issues. Fact is we all have been duped by HTC. and if people here think things can be solved by xda everytime so lets buy htc, then its not right. I hope someday XDA dev manufacture a great phone , probably it will be the perfect phone.
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Ag, shamepies,
Maybe HTC will provide live feeds from Mars too.
Or maybe better yet, a device that will record your blood pressure and hot & cold running water at the same time!
Oh, maybe even better, a device that will also double as a BMI scale and also have a built-in HIV monitor and blood-group detector!!!
Grow up!!
This has truly become the Cheese & WHINE forum!!!
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Ag, shamepies,
Maybe HTC will provide live feeds from Mars too.
Or maybe better yet, a device that will record your blood pressure and hot & cold running water at the same time!
Oh, maybe even better, a device that will also double as a BMI scale and also have a built-in HIV monitor and blood-group detector!!!
Grow up!!
This has truly become the Cheese & WHINE forum!!!
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What is YOUR contribution to xda-developers exactly?
even if i dont't mind if anybody has a kaiser, sells a kaiser, buys a kaiser or sleeps with his kaiser, i think such threads might not be useless.
if many people make it clear that they leave HTC and why they sell their phones maybe HTC realizes that their way to treat customers was wrong.
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Firstly, I've helped a few people here and there. Secondly I've been here a little longer than you even if I haven't posted much.
And yours???
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Firstly, I've helped a few people here and there. Secondly I've been here a little longer than you even if I haven't posted much.
And yours???
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Well length of membership really isn't anything to go by, I could have signed up to be a member yesterday and could be a total guru (im not though )
Look, lets just play nice ok? Its a public forum for people to publish their opinions. Lets not turn this into yet another bashing thread.
foobar1977 said:
Well length of membership really isn't anything to go by, I could have signed up to be a member yesterday and could be a total guru (im not though )
Look, lets just play nice ok? Its a public forum for people to publish their opinions. Lets not turn this into yet another bashing thread.
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Agree. Thanks
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Firstly, I've helped a few people here and there. Secondly I've been here a little longer than you even if I haven't posted much.
And yours???
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Made iTask, and made a lot of skins for various programs.
Hello!
firstly, thanks to everyone for such a fantastic resource. I always enjoy reading about the latest bits of user made software and trying out delicious freshly baked roms...
I have been a winmo user for about 5 years now (many MANY phones ) but, sadly, i have just purchased a nokia N95 8Gb (i basically couldn't refuse the offer) but one thing that really annoys me about it (and i havent got it yet! it arrives tomorrow) is the lack of intelligent, and credible sources of user discussion and content generation (such as this fantastic site). I really will miss it!
Does anyone know of a good symbian forum/irc/site in a similar vain to xda-dev? I have visited www.allaboutsymbian.com and wasnt impressed with the manner or technical level of its users... maby i just didnt dig deep enough.
Anyway, thanks again!
wish me luck on the s60 side... ill have a tytnII if it all goes tits up
Ant
I spit in the face of Symbian!Ptui!! Although,you could go over to mobiholics.com, I know youll be back soon because we all know youre going over there to sell the phone.
i got a p1i, and my super device of all time, the athena has since been neglected... maybe that will change with the release of the real athena project rom..
so i too am looking for symbian-developers.com
Rory
I've come to the unfortunate decision that my Diamond is going to have to go back
I really like it, or should I say I really like what it SHOULD be. I cannot see how HTC can release a device with so many bugs - what sort of half arsed testing did they do?
I appreciate alot of these issues will be resolved with a new ROM release but I can't justify £450 on a device that has so many problems - for that sort of money it really should have been less problematic. I gave it a chance but I'm increasingly frustrated by one thing or another not working and I'm not the most patient of people. I work in mobile IT so its not as if I don't understand that things don't work out of the box but I would never have released something with so many problems.
My contract is up in October so maybe I'll get one then for free and hopefully the ROMs will be more mature. In the meantime - WAKE UP HTC!!!!
Anyone got any suggestions on what to spend my £400 on now? Therapy perhaps?
patience.
but 400 cant buy you that =(
agree wholeheartedly. htc are all about form and not functiono infuriating as I feel I'ce been conned.
...going can tell I wrote that on the diamond!
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Ha! And that one?
I'm typing this on my BB 8310. I used to hate BB's with a passion but I had it forced upon me from work. Sure, its GPRS not HSDPA but you know what? It works! And with Opera mini its just as fast, maybe not as posh but much more usable. I can't remeber the last time I had to reset and the battery lasts forever. I still love HTCs innovation and they're hard to beat when it comes to WM phones but I really am getting tired of their slapdash approach. Fair enough much of the issues are WM issues but this is still no excuse.
Anyway, sorry, rant over. Probably the only thing that I will miss is the YouTube application and that's not worth 400 quid, I'll stick with my work BB for now...or at least until I get bored/depressed/hungover and buy another over hyped toy.
....Amen.....
at first i had a n95 which did every thing but still i lusted of the htc tytn2 keyboard.i payed 700 us for my tytn2 and by the second day i started having regrets.iv never met a phone that requires so much patches and the driver issue is just ridiculous.this was my first and only wm phone i'll ever buy.htc has left me feeling that all wm devices are crap(although i no better).so am packing up my tytn 2 in a box and buying a n95 8gb ..I'LL NEVER BUY ANOTHER HTC PHONE AGAIN..
I lolled, you just registered here to tell that ?
and you didn`t even search google before buying Kaiser ?
lol ._.
That's strange. I've had my TyTN II since January this year and no problems at all. This is my second WM device and I will never go back to Symbian.....EVER.
No driver issues, etc etc etc. But then again, I don't need live feeds from Mars.
Oh, and my phone didn't need any "patches" either.
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That's strange. I've had my TyTN II since January this year and no problems at all. This is my second WM device and I will never go back to Symbian.....EVER.
No driver issues, etc etc etc. But then again, I don't need live feeds from Mars.
Oh, and my phone didn't need any "patches" either.
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Same here, had my phone since January 08, had no problems what so ever..
this is my 2nd WM phone (myself being imate jamin)
never going back to symbian, they just can't be made personal...
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at first i had a n95 which did every thing but still i lusted of the htc tytn2 keyboard.i payed 700 us for my tytn2 and by the second day i started having regrets.iv never met a phone that requires so much patches and the driver issue is just ridiculous.this was my first and only wm phone i'll ever buy.htc has left me feeling that all wm devices are crap(although i no better).so am packing up my tytn 2 in a box and buying a n95 8gb ..I'LL NEVER BUY ANOTHER HTC PHONE AGAIN..
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TyTN II is my 3rd WM device. Before that I had Nokias, Sony Ericssons, Samsungs, Motorolas, etc...and let me tell you. It terms of OS stability perhaps symbian devices are slightly better, but I must stress "slightly".
But if you count the amount of things that you can do with a WM device compared to a symbian, there's just no comparison.
There's no doubt that if you are switching from a symbian to WM, the amount of stuff that you have to learn is a lot, but it's definitely worthwhile.
I have never looked back, and quite frankly I don't think I will ever switch to Symbian again (unless something revolutionary comes up). There's a higher chance of me getting an iPhone than any Symbian powered phone.
But of course, each to his own...
I wish I could be shocked at this. But alas, I cannot. The Kaiser has been out for over 11 months now, and the so-called "driver issue" was discovered almost immediately. As an early adopter, I'll admit I was a bit angry when I first learned of the lackluster video performance, but then I realized that I bought a device that is a phone 1st, and a PMP 33rd.
I cannot, and will not, feel any pity for someone who buys a device that has been out as long as the Kaiser has, and didn't do any research on it's pros and cons beforehand.
on the contrary, after i got my n95, im not buying another symbian phone, ever. im quite happy with my kaiser
Wow....never seen a thread like this.
Like it's already been said, I don't feel sorry for you.
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As an early adopter, I'll admit I was a bit angry when I first learned of the lackluster video performance, but then I realized that I bought a device that is a phone 1st, and a PMP 33rd.
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Good point. It's a phone first. People forget that. If you want to watch movies or play games go buy a PSP!
I would rather have good working 2D drivers any day then 3D drivers.
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aiv never met a phone that requires so much patches and the driver issue is just ridiculous..
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What patches and drivers are you talking about? Please enlighten us!
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so am packing up my tytn 2 in a box and buying a n95 8gb ..I'LL NEVER BUY ANOTHER HTC PHONE AGAIN..
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I'll buy it from you!
Wow people seriously. I second everything NotaTreoFan and AllTheWay said.
The lack of drivers has effected my use of the device none. I also feel that you are just looking for reasons to hate your phone, because well, you like to have pity parties.
The problem with pity parties is not a lot of people show up, and those that do, don't bring gifts.
Instead of moping and crying and having a pity party, realize that mountains of resources are out there to help make it better. Instead of a pity party, plan for a victory party. Trust me you'll be a better person for it.
Also, I will buy it from you as well.
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I'll buy it from you!
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No I will buy it from you! I will pay $1 more than ATW
I agree with you guys, but I have to say that it really doesn't matter... I have the Tytn 2 (obviously!) on UK Orange with WM6.1 and had the same on WM6.0 before...
I haven't had any issues that are worth worrying about. It makes me wonder if some people read about an issue and then attribute anything they don't like to it!
You just need to get used to how the phone works! To change a Kaiser for an N95 suggests some kind of misunderstanding of the operation of the Kaiser in my opinion. I have used both!
Any O/S which has as many functions as Windows Mobile will be slower than O/Ss on handsets which are more limited.
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SiJ2000 said:
I agree with you guys, but I have to say that it really doesn't matter... I have the Tytn 2 (obviously!) on UK Orange with WM6.1 and had the same on WM6.0 before...
I haven't had any issues that are worth worrying about. It makes me wonder if some people read about an issue and then attribute anything they don't like to it!
You just need to get used to how the phone works! To change a Kaiser for an N95 suggests some kind of misunderstanding of the operation of the Kaiser in my opinion. I have used both!
Any O/S which has as many functions as Windows Mobile will be slower than O/Ss on handsets which are more limited.
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I 100% agree with you. I've had my ATT Tilt since Feb. 08 and I love it. Ive only had one issue and that was my own fault, apparently the Tilt doesnt like root beer. LOL. And even then the only isssue I had was a keyboard problem. I was able to exchange it out no problems. The Tilt/TyTn II is a good phone. I still even use youtube on those days at work bored and see no problems.
I have been using WM mobiles since 2003, when orange released it's first SPV smart phone.
during past 5 years the only symbian mobile I ever had was sonyericsson P800, and I hated it. the only regret I have is that, had I found xda-developers site, sooner would of had much more fun with my handsets. And I have to thank XDA-developres and it's members for their hard work.
Kaiser is a mobile phone not a PPC although it works as PPC but it's first purpose is to work as a mobile phone.
Just remember to do a bit of research before buying your next handset.
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I 100% agree with you. I've had my ATT Tilt since Feb. 08 and I love it. Ive only had one issue and that was my own fault, apparently the Tilt doesnt like root beer. LOL. And even then the only isssue I had was a keyboard problem. I was able to exchange it out no problems. The Tilt/TyTn II is a good phone. I still even use youtube on those days at work bored and see no problems.
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No they don't like rootbeer, mine is partial to dr pepper, I've even heard that a few like coke, but never never rootbeer.
scotchua said:
No they don't like rootbeer, mine is partial to dr pepper, I've even heard that a few like coke, but never never rootbeer.
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LMAO Well Im not willing to try and see what the one I have in hand now is partial to. Although it keeps saying something about sweet tea. But who knows...
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LMAO Well Im not willing to try and see what the one I have in hand now is partial to. Although it keeps saying something about sweet tea. But who knows...
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Mine likes rocks. I dropped mine onto my gravel driveway and it hasn't complained at all.
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Instead of moping and crying and having a pity party, realize that mountains of resources are out there to help make it better.
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Positive thinking is the power to achive more with anything... WM is really resourceful and by time you will realize this...
pls add my name to the i want to buy a second kaiser to your list
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LMAO Well Im not willing to try and see what the one I have in hand now is partial to. Although it keeps saying something about sweet tea. But who knows...
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Sweet tea is delicious. My phone is quite a snob, however, and insists on imported beer.
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Sweet tea is delicious. My phone is quite a snob, however, and insists on imported beer.
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Mine really likes Shiner Bock alot.... Or Red Hook IPA.
I heard a rumor that Kaisers don't like being submerged in Castrol Syntech 10W40.
Sorry for sounding so ...angry..but this phone just cost me not only 800 bucks..but 1700 dollars round trip to the place i got it from...so please understand my point of view
Ok so since no one answered my question and my problem with my phone (phone died 5 mins after using it) Please answer me this:
Why should I even think about keeping my htc diamond (thats ofcourse if i decide to replace my current dead one)?
I have a feeling that this phone is so bugged, it should be cheaper, should have some kind of customer support, and should be in a reasonable working condition when you open up the box of this epensive phone and be able to do w/e it is advertises to do.
none of these pointers even come close to the HTC Diamond. It is expensive, Tech support is just halarious (a month to !!REPAIR!! my phone and then the return ground trip- I cant even replace it) and even then, your warranty is not 100% guarenteed, and last but not least, It does not work 100% when you open it up and get ready to use it
I bet if i buy a 350 dollars phone (lets say the LG rumer) id have a better experiance, without touch screen (omg its the endz of ze w0rldz!!!).
I understand what this phone is, or at least have an idea of what it's capable(at least I think, BECAUSE I ONLY USED IT FOR 5 MINS!!), but looking at this phone's forum section, quite a few ppl are having 1 or more issues with this phone.
Am I better off returning this piece of junk and getting something similar for cheaper? (iphone 3G i can grab it from a duty free airport for around 750 USD). Or a blackbarry bold, or the samsung touchscreen one..
seriously When I called HTC, they not only treated me like garbage, the rep sounded happy as if he has just ripped me off with a crappy phone and tried dhis best not to have me try to rma my phone ( and he succeeded, Im returning to the airport i bought this junk from and replacing it/ buying another brand)
But if I am missing something, then please tell me, what makes this phone so special ?
BTW I live in NA, so the freaking 3G for this phone, as u all know doesnt work ---> Another feature right out the ****ing window.
if you dont like it take it back. end of story. if you dont love it, you dont deserve it. buy an iphone, nothing ever goes wrong with those.
yeah i agree go buy an iphone.
it sounds as though it would suit you better
as its made for people like you.
i thought, i hoped that we got past the "whining" period. i was wrong.
in the first 2 month after diamond was out the forum was full with this kind of useless threads. this thread if not killed by a moderator is going to become a chat room where some ppl (mostly noobs) are going to add their frustration, some ppl are going to flame you (the "crazy about diamond" ones), some are going to send you to flash and tweak it (it seems that you don't like the idea) and some are going to plain and simple send you to give it back and end the drama.
in short if u are expecting 20 replays trying to convince you to keep it, you are wrong.
lol what a post.
A user-forum moderats itself to a high degree. If there are many people with same problems you'll find so called whining threads more often, if not the corrosponding thread will vanish quickly.
It's more or less normal to find many threads about different problems with a new and well sold device but its a a warning sign to find problem-threads with lots of people in there, reporting the same issue.
If one call it noobish to complain about problems with customer-service or getting the device to work fluidly out of the box, he does manufacturers like htc a realy big favour, perhaps for some people a reason to be proud of.
GPS-lag, sound-lag, enexpected resets, speed-issues with and without TF3D, way to less volume of internal speaker, bad border responsivity of touch-screen, bad umts signal strength, peeling off of screen, peeling off of button area, all this are all but not single-user issues, most of the are my issues too.
I've never came across before a PDA-device with so many major design-flaws like the diamond. If someone says "you have to understand htc, it's impossible to create a perfect device" or "stop whining the diamond is a well done device", I'm wondering whats the planet, he's living on. Perhaps he won it on a tombola so he has no reason to complain because he has not spend any money on it.
One of the main-reasons for me, to buy a new PDA was internal GPS. Cause of the lag, it is more or less useless for me. I like to hear mp3's with my PDA, again its quite useless because of another lag with the sound-output. I like it to take handwritten notes with my PDA - but its to laggy on the diamond, so I can forgett about it.
Perhaps htc should make clear that this phone is only for tolerant experts, like the guys in this forum who are calling people noob, cause they only want to use their device.
Keeping Diamond is not obligatory, if you don't like this phone, simply give it back and buy something you like. It's simple as that.
or perhaps they call them noobs because they seem to be incapable
of sorting out the few problems with stuff off here like the rest of us have.
this is a developers website not a site for those who just see it as a
pretty phone.
let the flame war BEGIN...
Hey, some people just have bad luck with these things, and there's no rhyme or reason to it.
There are plenty of people who were on the fence about the first iPhone, and after seeing its success decided to take the plunge with the iPhone 3G (seeing that Apple finally added GPS and 3G). And lots of people have had nothing but problems with the iPhone 3G from day one. Poor or nonexistent 3G reception, laggy or inaccurate GPS, Safari crashing frequently, 8-hour long backups, major problems with iTunes and the App Store (which Apple keeps on a short leash), and the whole debacle with MobileMe.
And people will just as quickly step in and excuse Apple for any criticisms of the iPhone. So it happens to everyone -- these devices aren't the holy grail, there's always going to be imperfections one way or another. If you were unfortunate enough to experience a great deal of problems then probably nothing can change your mind. But there's nothing that says you won't have bad luck on any other device.
I guess the point is that most users here hold no illusions that somewhere, some large sum of money can buy a device "that just works"; there really is no device that's that capable. But that's the whole reason why this forum is here. If you have a problem, someone can help. If you have a lot of problems... well, there's a lot of people here.
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sometimes i surprise myself....i am waiting another day or two and then i'll have to say it: i told you so!
Token42 said:
A user-forum moderats itself to a high degree. If there are many people with same problems you'll find so called whining threads more often, if not the corrosponding thread will vanish quickly.
It's more or less normal to find many threads about different problems with a new and well sold device but its a a warning sign to find problem-threads with lots of people in there, reporting the same issue.
If one call it noobish to complain about problems with customer-service or getting the device to work fluidly out of the box, he does manufacturers like htc a realy big favour, perhaps for some people a reason to be proud of.
GPS-lag, sound-lag, enexpected resets, speed-issues with and without TF3D, way to less volume of internal speaker, bad border responsivity of touch-screen, bad umts signal strength, peeling off of screen, peeling off of button area, all this are all but not single-user issues, most of the are my issues too.
I've never came across before a PDA-device with so many major design-flaws like the diamond. If someone says "you have to understand htc, it's impossible to create a perfect device" or "stop whining the diamond is a well done device", I'm wondering whats the planet, he's living on. Perhaps he won it on a tombola so he has no reason to complain because he has not spend any money on it.
One of the main-reasons for me, to buy a new PDA was internal GPS. Cause of the lag, it is more or less useless for me. I like to hear mp3's with my PDA, again its quite useless because of another lag with the sound-output. I like it to take handwritten notes with my PDA - but its to laggy on the diamond, so I can forgett about it.
Perhaps htc should make clear that this phone is only for tolerant experts, like the guys in this forum who are calling people noob, cause they only want to use their device.
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from cambridge dictionary
whiner
noun [C] DISAPPROVING
a person, especially a child, who complains or expresses dissatisfaction continually
didn't call anybody whiner on my post (whining period).
didn't call the thread opener a noob.
1. i never said diamond is perfect but this is not the place to complain about the quality of diamond. htc diamond is a htc product. whine/complain to the htc. this is a developers forum, here you'll find ppl that are continuously improving the device. what's the point of such a thread here? what's the point? we all know too well the flows of the diamond.
2. looking at my sig you can see a partial list of the devices i own. none of them was so challenging like the diamond and in my eyes that's the beauty of it.
3. because i bought one of the first diamond arrived i paid 5000 NIS/3.5=1428$! not cheap. i also wanted to return the diamond but this was in the first days of diamond. there were no cooked ROMs and no smart tweaks and advanced configurations.... i also was a noob.. i search, i asked, i got flamed, i experimented and i can say that today i have N O N E of the problems you described. only yesterday i tried 4 new ROMs. today i am settled for at least one month with swiftbl's latest. no lag on GPS, no lag on scrolling, listening some trance with the a2dp without lag or skips (using coreplayer). didn't like the htc player so f...k. it, i bought the coreplayer.
4. sometimes i think that diamond is not a device, diamond is a kit, a "do it by yourself" gadget. don't buy it if you don't have time to assembly it.
stop complaining h e r e ! not satisfied? do something! complain to htc (not here) or return the device or invest some precious time to transform yr expensive toy from the legendary frog to the handsome prince. and no, kissing it is not enough!
I've nothing useful to add to this thread except to express my amazement that anyone would pay so much money for this device!
Mine was free on a contract that will end up costing me about the same amount over 18 months but that includes 400 talk minutes and unlimited texts. Also, I went into it with my eyes open - I knew it was not going to be as friendly or reliable as a Nokia.
If you're going to travel long distances to buy an expensive product, do some research first!
Davey101 said:
I've nothing useful to add to this thread except to express my amazement that anyone would pay so much money for this device!
Mine was free on a contract that will end up costing me about the same amount over 18 months but that includes 400 talk minutes and unlimited texts. Also, I went into it with my eyes open - I knew it was not going to be as friendly or reliable as a Nokia.
If you're going to travel long distances to buy an expensive product, do some research first!
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after years with this forum in my i-mate, trinity and athena period i'll buy a brick if i'll be sure that xda-dev is supporting it
Of course this is a developer-forum, not intended for exchanging critics on a device, without wanting or excepting to solve the criticized problems. But sometimes it goes off-topic, someone complains and a so called flamewar is created. But even a flamewar is nothing else but a discussion in a discussion-forum. I see no problem in this behavour of forums.
I think responsible people on the manufacturer-side are aware of common problems, discussed in forums like this. Because they are owning such a device by their selfs, or they are interested in, because it's their job. So perhaps critizising really anoying issues can't be done to an extend, high enough.
It's true - devices like PDA's can't be perfect, they are too complicated. But even a mixer is too complicated to be perfect.
When I buy a mixer and it's somewhat too loud or a little weak, I can say: "Hey its not what I'm expected, but it's OK for the money." But when I have to switch the mixer on 3 minutes before I want to use it, cause it has a power-on lag, or if it allways looses the mixing attachment I say its bull****.
When I buy a top-class PDA promoted for GPS, PIM and MP3 and I can do nothing of it without big problems, I think also it's bull****.
OK - one could say "Its not a problem for all, it's only 50% with GPS-lag" - hey that makes me much more enthusastic to try other htc-products.
As someone allready suggested, I can simply buy another pda - yes I can can and will, but thats a reason not to complain about a product I've bought?
fhsieh said:
Hey, some people just have bad luck with these things, and there's no rhyme or reason to it.
There are plenty of people who were on the fence about the first iPhone, and after seeing its success decided to take the plunge with the iPhone 3G (seeing that Apple finally added GPS and 3G). And lots of people have had nothing but problems with the iPhone 3G from day one. Poor or nonexistent 3G reception, laggy or inaccurate GPS, Safari crashing frequently, 8-hour long backups, major problems with iTunes and the App Store (which Apple keeps on a short leash), and the whole debacle with MobileMe.
And people will just as quickly step in and excuse Apple for any criticisms of the iPhone. So it happens to everyone -- these devices aren't the holy grail, there's always going to be imperfections one way or another. If you were unfortunate enough to experience a great deal of problems then probably nothing can change your mind. But there's nothing that says you won't have bad luck on any other device.
I guess the point is that most users here hold no illusions that somewhere, some large sum of money can buy a device "that just works"; there really is no device that's that capable. But that's the whole reason why this forum is here. If you have a problem, someone can help. If you have a lot of problems... well, there's a lot of people here.
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1st rule before you buy something
do your homework
you only have yourself to blame if you find out its not for you after you have spent all that money....DOH!
P.S.......if you just want a just a "phone"....go buy a nokia.
liamhere said:
do your homework
you only have yourself to blame if you find out its not for you after you have spent all that money....DOH!
P.S.......if you just want a just a "phone"....go buy a nokia.
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Of course my mistake, not HTC's. Seems you're really clever. I think I proceed to blame myself and you can proceed to blame others.
Token42 said:
Of course my mistake, not HTC's. Seems you're really clever. I think I proceed to blame myself and you can proceed to blame others.
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just for the record,
my comment was for the thread starter and not aimed at you.
note to self....must use quote more
KukurikU said:
after years with this forum in my i-mate, trinity and athena period i'll buy a brick if i'll be sure that xda-dev is supporting it
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Couldn't put it in a better way!
Coming back to the actual Diamond "problems" mentioned:
Even with the first couple of original HTC roms, I never experienced any GPS lag, mp3 lag etc etc. Only the start-up lag is rather annoying, but hey... how fast does your Windows Vista PC boot up?
Please try to compare Diamond's GPS next to an N95, and post the results on accuracy and lag (I have done so!).
Finally, I would agree with "liamhere"'s statement of "P.S.......if you just want a just a "phone"....go buy a nokia.", but I would like to add:
Make sure it's NOT an N series... and don't buy it (actually never buy ANYTHING expensive)from somewhere so far away, unless is online, so FedEx, DHL or whoever, can come to the rescue
liamhere said:
just for the record,
my comment was for the thread starter and not aimed at you.
note to self....must use quote more
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Sorry, got this wrong.
If most people are happy with their diamond and doesn't encounter any of the known problems its fine and nice. Personaly I really start to get a little bit angry about myself, to have spent so much money for it.
I've bought this device not for the phone-functionality but as a pda and this was a bad bad decission. Not only because of flaws I was not aware of when I've bought it but because of limitations I knew of. I was only to impatient to wait for other models and do enough research.
I don't think HTC will spent many resources on bugfixing for example the gps-lag, cause their are so many phones of them in development and they have allready made their deal with the diamond.
So I return to my beloved Loox and use the diamond really only as a phone, better than nothing.