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WARNING: Beware of pdaviet WM6 rom!!!

Hi all,
as most of you probably knows, today an alleged new WM6 rom from PDAVIET has been released.
Far from being 'new', this rom is nothing other than a copy of the leeked WM6 rom we all know plus a lot of 3rd party tools ripped off, without asking permission, from Faria's Aku3.3 rom. An evidence is in the image posted below, it has been found inside PDAVIET's rom but, if you look at the logo, you'll see Faria's name. This is only one of the many evidences i can give you.
Moreover, this rom includes many bugs and inconsistencies due to the indiscriminate mixing of WM5 and WM6 files.
That said, having long discussed the problem with Faria, we've decided to post this message to warn you against this rom and to make clear the following points:
1 - Faria is NOT involved in any way with this rom, the guys who prepared it or the site which originated it. Similarly, he is not involved with any of the WM6 roms you may find in this or other forums/blogs/warez sites.
The presence of documents and images containing Faria's name inside pdaviet's WM6 rom is due to the fact they "borrowed" some 3rd party software made or arranged by Faria himself. This doesn't imply any involment of Faria in the WM6 rom developing/publishing.
2 - The same can be said for all the other developers in this forum: Bepe, Molski, me and others. We are not in any way to be connected to any of the leeked wm6 roms out there.
3 - We, faria and me, strongly advise you against the use of pdaviet rom in your devices. By copying Faria's work and mixing WM5-only with WM6 files without even realizing what they were doing, pdaviet guys have proved all their incompetence in rom developing/cooking. That said, Faria DECLINES every responsibility for every problem you may experience by using his tools inside pdaviet's rom.
4 - Considering the irresponsible and illecit use of his work, Faria decided to stop developing/fixing applications for use in WM6 roms. For this reason, he won't publish anymore programs, fixes or workarounds for any problem/issue concerning any WM6 rom. The development will restart when and whether Microsoft will allow us to post WM6 roms in this forum.
Hoping for newer and better WM6 roms (and for MS's permission to use them ) we want to express you our best regards!!!
Bye bye

Well, I posted immediately upon trying their first attempt it was a botched job from the get go. Sad to hear that Faria is stearing clear of WM6 support but I can't blame him. He doesn't "need" us for anything. He's been doing an awesome job just helping us get up to speed where he already is.
Thanks for all of your help so far Faria. It is much appreciated and you've been very helpful. We will be anxiously waiting for a WM6 release from you and the rest of the gang.
-Mc

Ill wait too for your release of a rom

That will be a long wait probably never because they will only release the ROM when this condition is met:
"The development will restart when and whether Microsoft will allow us to post WM6 roms in this forum."
It's very unlikely MS will allow it

Ill still use the the leaked wm6 rom but will wait for a cooked rom from faria or
the other develepers in this forum that have done good roms.

PDAViet
I'd like to add that the reason to stay away from PDAViet's WM6 ROM is due to moral and ethical reasons of how they used Faria's work.
The actual ROM is considerably faster than the clean WM6 ROM. You need to change a registry key once installed to fix keyboard layout for english users.
It's a shame they released the ROM in such a devious way. If it didn't have Faria's work it would be worthwhile to install until such time as a better WM6 ROM comes along. It's definitely much more useable than the clean WM6 ROM which was doggy slow.
Also, I haven't noticed any additional bugs or inconsistencies other than the clean WM6 ROM.

look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.

Good Job
faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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After installing and using the 3.3 ROM that you had a hand in cooking I will gladly wait til you can oficially/legally release a cooked WM6 ROM. I agree that it was wrong for PDAVIET to use your work without permission so therefore I would not use that ROM. I understand the time that you put into something just to have it abused. I have learned alot just by reading all these posts and searching through the forums. I have been a member for over a year and really dont post unless its something that I definetely need help with. I would rather find it on my own and understand what Im doing rather than just install something and be completely dumb to what I just installed. Thank you all who are willing to help us and explain.

Makes perfect sence not too rock the boat when theres still so much live in the NEW 3.3 rom you only released this week

aSKED fOR tIME
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look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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WE SHALL. ITS THE LEAST THAT WE CAN DO TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU EFFORTS.

faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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I actually was going to download the ROM yesterday and came accross the same views. There are other files in their forum that originate from here.
My view is that if you know of a tool that can help your viewers, explain the tool and link it to the thread that you found the tool at. They did not do that. I do not read Vietnamese but some of the apps I saw there were just blatantly stolen from here.
@FARIA: I truely agree with you when you say that Microsoft has been real good with their attitude with Mobile ROMS. I love their attitude where they have actually been very cool with leaving developers and phone companies develop/change the ROMs according to needs. I truely believe and respect Microsoft for them asking the ROMs to be taken off the FTP and doing it politely. Like I said on my other post, Microsoft attitude has changed for the better and I Love it !
@ Faria, Molski,bepe, risidoro and others :
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You guys have been great. Your solutions have truely helped me understand the WM. Without you guy's help, my learning curve would have been way higher. Keep on Keeping on Guys! Any help in reasearching or other you might need, please feel free to contact me.

dont use PDAVIET
i will not use PDAVIET WM6 roms!!
@faria - thanks for everything sir. i will patiently wait for the right time until your ROM arrives. more power

Didn't Faria just rip the HTC X-Button app off and put his name in it?
The 2 programs are EXACTLY alike.

lol not to start suttim but yea gldrush would seem so

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Didn't Faria just rip the HTC X-Button app off and put his name in it?
The 2 programs are EXACTLY alike.
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Put it this way. All of the cooked ROM are ripped off one way or another because MS never released it to the public. Even the HCT camera app is from HTC. In the mod screen which Faria put his signature you will see below it is "copy right 2000 - 2006" by HTC
I don't understand why some of the Posters in here are taking the "moral" high ground and declare that they won't use PDAVIET ROM, they despite it, etc...
The ROM runs great. The included apps are freeware. The camera app, copyright by HTC but extracted by Faria is posted in this forum and available to any Joe. I don't really care who cooked the ROM. As long as it run fast and good, I will use it. The most important thing for me is a good ROM not who did the cooking.

is the keyboard issue fixed?.. and what about these issues with wm5 files have u noticed them? hows this rom running for u.

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is the keyboard issue fixed?.. and what about these issues with wm5 files have u noticed them? hows this rom running for u.
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The keyboard has been fixed and will work with various language with the correct code (check the thread). I am not sure what WM5 issued that has been raised here. Haven't seen or read any where yet.

is it a little bit faster then the clean one or much faster? i dont wanna go thru reinstalling all my stuff if its just a slight performance increase.. know what i mean?

i cant see pdaviet rom in ftp site!!!can anyone let me know in ftp site in which folder pdaviet rom is so tat atleast i can see rom thorugh my eyes that its been posted or not!!!after that i wanna give my feedback!!
in which folder pdaviet rom is and whats the name of rom!!

...u should maybe READ the other threads.. jesus christ

Hard-SPL, Or Flashing any ROM, and staying Brick-safe

Well... I did it for Hermes, tomorrow I'm doing it for Trinity, this is just here to make sure I get round to it... and to let you folks know it's in the pipeline

I was going to ask you if you had any plans for us. Thanks for the hard work

Olipro: this will take you to the hall of fame together with Des, Pof, Lvsw, Dutty and some others.
Looking forward for your news. Thanks.

According to hermes thread this is simple rip of SSPL bootloader (my appologies to Olipro if it is not). Shuch tool exist for a long time but there are some reasons why it is not released to public. However now I'm forced to do so, use at your own risk. Development of better tool was in progress but now I'm not shure if I wish to continue with it.

Hi, what's the difference between this SPL and the SSPL-TRIN.exe available in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293632 ?

Des said:
According to hermes thread this is simple rip of SSPL bootloader (my appologies to Olipro if it is not). Shuch tool exist for a long time but there are some reasons why it is not released to public. However now I'm forced to do so, use at your own risk. Development of better tool was in progress but now I'm not shure if I wish to continue with it.
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Thanks for your contributions . I hope that you are not getting put off by the whole "pay for services" thing that seems to be going on. You are the one that came up with the SSPL utility and we are very grateful. You were the first to make a Trinity ROM change possible without a CID unlock. Keep up the great work it is appreciated.
Matt

Hi, what's the difference between this SPL and the SSPL-TRIN.exe
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This one is bootloader image for flashing in to device, SSPL is the same image wrapped with stuff needed to start it from WinCE.
This is for those users who want SSPL functionality in flashed-in bootloader. Most average users (don't playing dangerous games with flashing probable crap to radio) won't need this.

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According to hermes thread this is simple rip of SSPL bootloader (my appologies to Olipro if it is not).
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Technically it is half a rip off: Olipro "backported" your bypass-signature patch to hermes SPL-1.04, but he had to reimplement the "show itself as SuperCID" patch because this on 1.09 just requires a NOP, but the default on 1.04 is to assume CID (remember the CID checking bug in that bootloader?), so implementation is different. The good thing of having it on 1.04 is that it allows to access the radio bootloader and 1.09 doesn't.
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Shuch tool exist for a long time but there are some reasons why it is not released to public. However now I'm forced to do so, use at your own risk.
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I think Olipro released the SPL in the aim of helping, and also because he learned from you and had fun extracting it... this doesn't force you to release the Trin SPL, but I see it as a good thing... can you be more specific on these reasons why this has not to be released?
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Development of better tool was in progress but now I'm not shure if I wish to continue with it.
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err... I hope you continue with it, don't want to discourage you on that... you made it possible the best it could ever happen to Hermes & Trinity, and you have all the support and respect of xda-dev community for that. Hope you continue with the development whenever you have time to do it, as you are a very valuable piece of the puzzle here

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Thanks for your contributions . I hope that you are not getting put off by the whole "pay for services" thing that seems to be going on. You are the one that came up with the SSPL utility and we are very grateful. You were the first to make a Trinity ROM change possible without a CID unlock. Keep up the great work it is appreciated.
Matt
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Matterhorn is absolutely right. Great work! We all are very thankful. Keep it up!

well, I'd just ripped the Trinity ROM to upload it...
but it's identical to Des's (except the version number) so no worries...
on another note; I think you'll find that I haven't actually released your SPL Des, I still have that on my computer; currently I've only sent it to pof and some guy who intends to play around with it... it's a shame someone has to be so petty as to decide to up and stop development of something just because someone ported their work to an earlier ROM, but if that's the way it's going to be then I guess it means that development will be slower as others are left to pick up the gauntlet

I dont understand Des behavior... what's the deal of Olipro rip/port/transform Des's code to an earlier version ?!
Isn't this supposed to happen in an open minded/source community ?!
I thought you were all here because you share the same interests... This new "wave of paid services" is really messing up things among you all and specially the free open source filosophy.
We're very thankful for all your hard work so all you can expect from us is a deep respect. I really hope that you can cut the crap of your divergences to continue providing your amazing solutions.

Des's not hyping up his contribution to the community and is trying to be cautious with releasing something potentially harmful. Nobody wants more bricks here...
Rip-off or not, if it's likely to cause problems (and Des probably knows better than others), it's not safe to make it public.
There's a lot of buzz lately in Trinity WM6 thread and now with patched SPL here. A lot is yet to be done, probably more than already done, why the buzz?

this on 1.09 just requires a NOP, but the default on 1.04 is to assume CID
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I know this issue. Similar one exist on breeze bl.
can you be more specific on these reasons why this has not to be released?
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From technical side mostly because of that flashing without any integrity check is dangerous. It works for sspl but just because sspl is used by most users to flash shipped or somebodys cooked (and tested) updates. Potential users of standalone bl (wich claims to be crashproof but if signatures are fu*ked up or absent it is NOT) are seems to be more hackers than consumers wich means that they would flash not just shipped updates. I know about dozen of devices bricked (full of bads) due to incorrect signature size or absence of it. Do you whant more ?
this doesn't force you to release the Trin SPL
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"tomorrow I'm doing it for Trinity" (c) Olipro.
So while it would be released I prefer to release it myself.
Hope you continue with the development
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it's a shame someone has to be so petty as to decide to up and stop development of something just because someone ported their work
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Looks like my position need be explained bit clearer.
At first - here I do not hack or code for resulting effect or profit (I have a job for such things). I do this just for my own fun. And yes, for comunity benefit as well (because making community happy is a fun too).
And it is more fun for me to make things more featureful rather then make them fast (While community may benefit more from fast one. In short term.).
Surely you have noticed long pause between my promise to bring SSPL to all platforms where such tool is needed and present days. And that SSPL was not introduced even for platforms I have access to (and where it is actualy working as a proof of concept). And why standalone bootloaders for trinity and hermes was not released while it would not take any time for me at all. What happened ?
Does I have no time to code during last month ? Or have I been bribed by HTC not to do so ? Or maybe I'm going to post "give me 1000$ and you would get SSPL for your device" ?
No.
After some feedback 'bout several bricks and thoughts about new wave of upcoming HTC devices I came to certain decisions about what future version of SSPL would look like. It was designed that there would be no device speciefic versions of SSPL and SSPL itself would not contain any (HTC copyrighted) binary blobs. Instead it would be universal (PXA/OMAP/S3C) loader and universal patcher (which (with some good luck) may be able to produce patced bl for new device in couple of clicks) and set of romimage manipulating tools (to [re]sign and check for software bads) too. I do not mention bootloader patches improvement for more safe flashing and may be software bads recovering. As you can see this is quite complex job wich can not be done in couple of hours. And more - hacking is almost always fun for me, coding - just when I'm not too tired with my main job
Many (if not most) parts of this is done: loader successfully works on all three platforms, fuzzy ARM patcher algo is near to completion, image manipulating tools are not a problem at all (but even so they need to be coded and this needs time).
But as for now I lost fun in providing universal solution - most users won't notice any difference and developers... now there is a porter among us so there is no need to worry about new device support any more
(non-universal) SSPL for breeze and wizard as well as standalone bootloaders (with slightly renewed patches) would be released in days, for other devices as soon as I'll get access to them for testing purposes. As this is much more sooner than planned release of universal loader+patcher then community benefit (for now).
I dont understand Des behavior... what's the deal of Olipro rip/port/transform Des's code to an earlier version ?!
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Let me explain: I have some relations with darker side of the force than hacking htc pda is. Among siths taking somebodys ***ck or ****en and "porting" it to newer(older) version of program called ripping. Siths do respect copyrights in their odd way and pay no respect to rippers. Nothing more

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I do see your point here, obviously it is a double edge knife because it allows to easily brick the device if the flashed file is not well formated, but on the other side it also prevents the device to completely brick because of a bad radio flash which seems to be the most common brick for hermes devices, and it is starting to happen on trinity too. That's why first thing I asked was if it is possible to implement something to prevent bad blocks in NAND.
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Many (if not most) parts of this is done: loader successfully works on all three platforms, fuzzy ARM patcher algo is near to completion, image manipulating tools are not a problem at all (but even so they need to be coded and this needs time).
But as for now I lost fun in providing universal solution
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That's amazing, I hope you reconsider your decision as I (and sure a lot of other individuals too) would really like to see something like this happen.
We are curious by nature, I must admit second thing I did after you released SSPL was loading it on IDA (first was trying it on my hermes) and try to see exactly what you did. I just did it out of curiosity and trying to learn something from your impressive work. I was a bit disappointed because you didn't release the patches so I "had to" reverse what you did in order to understand it, but this was also challenging and fun for me. I for sure learned something on the process and finally I left it because there where some sections I couldn't re-base correctly on IDA.
I think Olipro just had the same feeling as I had, and he didn't release the Hard-SPL in the aim of ripping your work, but in the aim of helping the community reduce the number of bricks because of a bad radio flash, and he also gave you credit for your work, so I see this as a team work and not as ripping. I hope you can see my point too and forgive Olipro's audacity, and of course continue the development of such universal bootloader tool... in the end we're all here because we love to squeeze the devices and we all do this for fun and learning, don't you think?

second thing I did after you released SSPL was loading it on IDA
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I is perfectly normal. Moreover if I were you that would be the first thing I'l done (to look what piece of s**t I'm going to run on my hermes)
I was a bit disappointed because you didn't release the patches
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Why don't you asked me then ? I rarely refuse to explain how things works. But of course I'll ask you for some sort of NDA for a while
and finally I left it because there where some sections I couldn't re-base correctly on IDA
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Rather strange. SSPL is ordinary executable produced by VS 2005. No disasm/debug protection. Loaders code is packed mainly to save 100kB of space and to hide code from too curious but unexpirenced eyes for their own sake as a second task.
so I see this as a team work and not as ripping
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Look... I'm not a DMCA, software patents, etc fan at all. But things should be called by their real names. Derivative work is something that utilises somebodys code but brings many very own features to it. I hardly could avowe hermes 1.04 bl as derivative work because it contain at least single additional bit of patch. But bit-to bit exact copy (except the version number) announced as
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Hard-SPL, Or Flashing any ROM, and staying Brick-safeWell... I did it for Hermes, tomorrow I'm doing it for Trinity, this is just here to make sure I get round to it... and to let you folks know it's in the pipeline
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is no more then a rip.

Well now everyone knows that Olipro isn't the master mind behind the solution (because you're).
So, now we all know that the copyright is yours and we're thankful for that. And you've the respect of alot of other users as well .

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Why don't you asked me then ? I rarely refuse to explain how things works. But of course I'll ask you for some sort of NDA for a while
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Because I prefered to have some basic understanding of it before asking, and wanted to find out by myself... I tend to learn more by looking than by just asking and of corse i feared the NDA
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Rather strange. SSPL is ordinary executable produced by VS 2005. No disasm/debug protection. Loaders code is packed mainly to save 100kB of space and to hide code from too curious but unexpirenced eyes for their own sake as a second task.
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Yes, that was not the problem... if I recall correctly I managed to extract IPL and SPL with PE explorer, but then I wanted to compare the extracted SPL with an unmodified SPL, I set the base address to 0x8c080000 and found something around 0x8c040000 which I did not know how to interpret correctly... probably I was one of those curious but unexperienced eyes

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and wanted to find out by myself...
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then you should be glad to find it bit scrambled - there is no fun in reversing easy things
and of corse i feared the NDA
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Dealing with sensitivity material require some level of conspiracy I wonder how long security bypass patch would work now (not closed in future roms). Of course there are many other ways to bypass [almost any] sec check but that was realy funny like a good joke

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Sorry, that's out of context; I'm not inferring anything more than that I extracted your patch, which might I add consists of a single NOP and two address deletions (although of course, identifying them is the kicker).
A while back... I asked you about it and was stonewalled by you; you offered me nothing, just some info that you were working on something or other further to it... I can only guess you assumed I'd be unable to extract the clean bootloader image and thus discounted me.
resultantly, I recently got tired of waiting and dumped the SPL. I suggest you head over to the Hermes forum where you will find that I haven't secretly ripped off your work and then called it my own.
I ripped the SPL out for myself, spoke to pof about it, and then decided that it'd be a good idea to port it back to the old SPL and release that, which I did.
I never got a chance to release this one, but all I was going to do to it was remove the button press patch... I did not plan to take any credit for this Trinity ROM whatsoever.
anyway enough of the *****ing and ranting. I hope we can move on; I appreciate you're clearly pissed that it got released as a regular NB Image but I only hope you'll get over it.
Also... I've made a modification to the SPL to ignore bad NAND blocks... not a clue if it works, need someone who's bollocked up their NAND to test it... obviously you need a way to get it on your phone first.

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I've intentionaly quoted whole topic-starting post to not to be out of context.
which might I add consists of a single NOP and two address deletions
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the smaller is patch - the better it is. And those are not addresses btw.
of course, identifying them
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You've got the point.
ps: Same things can be done in different ways. And I can't say that I respect ways you choose to help the comunity (this relates not only to ripping sspl). I do believe that you have good intentions in your mind but hell is paved with them. This is only my own opinion wich is not subject to discussion.
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anyway enough of the *****ing and ranting
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SPV M700 Flash with latest HTC Rom with GPS.. Help!

I'm sure it's been covered in a thread but I'm not able to find it so would appreciate someone explaining the following......
Is it possible to flash my bog standard M700 with the latest HTC ROM from their website?
I've been given a copy but I couldn't download it because of the Orange IMEI number would not resolve. Presumably there are no issues due to this and it will work just fine?
Lastly, has anyone written a step by step idiot guide to doing this? If not could someone please reply and tell me? I'm not all that techy with ROMs but can am OK with PCs and registry stuff etc.
Many thanks in advance!!

You're right it has been covered ;-), HOWEVER.....
NO you cannt use the HTC version on the Orange M700, it's just for the HTC branded phones. SO now relax and get a cooked version... Either MUN-RUS OR LVSW's are good. I personally have the LVSW version......
Look for it in the Trinity WM6 forum.
In the first post is ALL the software you need, grab all 3 bits of software, apply them in order as listed in the instructions. And thats it, shiney new WM6 M700.... however remeber after you do this to remake all the MMS settings etc etc otherwise Photo Messaging etc etc wont work BUT on Oranges' web site there is a "me Proof" guide to putting it right ;-)
Thats it, go get'em fella

Thanks, Just out of interest, why won't the HTC ROM work, after all it's still an HTC device!

Being lazy... do you have the link to the post please?

So you found this site, BUT cannt within this site find the Trinity Mobile 6 Forum or read the very first 2 posts in there?
Get a grip ;-)
As for the HTC thing... guess it's to stop people taking thier software off them and using it elsewhere, and all the troubles that entails with licsencing etc, ALSO dont forget Orange "Value Add" to the phone (brand the day lights out of it ;-) )

Yes found the link!! Just didn't think it was that obvious so wasn't looking at the top! Dohh!
What's Value Add?
Can anyone point me toward instructions on how to extract or backup my exiting Orange M700 ROM in can the upgrade goes pear shapped?
Still a little confused as to why the HTC ROM will not work. Can someone explain properly please?

It is all explained on the forums if, as deech says you "get a grip"
Do a search.
The reason upgrading will not work is mentioned in this the upgrade forum if you look. If you can't even look for it I'm not sure you'll understand the information though as it would involve thinking.
The way to backup a rom is also mentioned in this forum. In fact if you could be bothered to search you could quite easily find one that's already been made by one of the members of this forum in this forum section. It's even on this first page of this upgrade forum.
I don't quite agree with Deech though. I say you should get off your lazy arse and actually look for the information you want rather than just expecting everyone to point out information that's right in front of your eyes if you just look.
Sorry to flame but it drives me nuts that people can be so lazy and expect everyone else to find the information for them.

Value Add..... all those shiney little things that Orange and Vodafone etc add to the basic software, Like the WAP portal, Today Pages, etc etc, a straight HTC ROM (or Nokia, or Motorloa) ROM is very plain and boring, but often works sooo much better than that provided by the Mobile Company after they have "tinkered" with it, hence Value Added.
I agree though you shouldnt be re-flashing your phone if you cannt work the search button and read and FULLY understand what the hell is happening, and how to make things right IF they go wrong ;-)

If you know ehere something is it take 10 seconds to actually be helpful and tell someone whos asks in a polite manner!!
For example you would have trouble finding the difference between a half inch Whitworth and a half in UNC bolt!! I, on the other hand could tell you in less then 10 seconds.
Thanks for all your help!

Excuse me all overe the place BUT... I've just trawled through here and can't find anywhere that says the M700 cannot be flashed with the latest Trinity ROM from HTC, and the reasons why.
Am I right?

Here's what you do. Download the official HTC ROM and try flashing your phone with it, then you might actually believe us when we tell you that you can't flash your phone with it. The official reason that you can't use it on your phone is because your phone isn't actually an HTC phone, it's an Orange SPV M700. Or so they'll have you believe.
I understand the difference between a half" Whitty and a half" UNC. One's a Whitty and one's a UNC, easy
Read the forums, then ask questions.
Peace,
BS...

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Excuse me all overe the place BUT... I've just trawled through here and can't find anywhere that says the M700 cannot be flashed with the latest Trinity ROM from HTC, and the reasons why.
Am I right?
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Hi m8, Looks like you're in need of a little friendly advice, so here goes!
Despite what they're all telling you in this thread, you *CAN* quite easily flash the latest HTC Trinity ROM to your M700... You will first need to unlock your phone OR use the SoftSPL method described in this thread:-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293632
Unfortunately, you will need to educate yourself a little to achieve what you desire and this means READ and UNDESTAND the above thread before you attempt anything!
All the ROM's you could ever wish for are available through this site, here :-
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Trinity_Upgrades
To be even more helpful, the HTC ROM you require is here :-
http://rapidshare.com/files/2296300...1_1_.23.405.2_103_6275_1.38.00.11_108_GPS.exe
(Looking at one of your other help question threads, it looks like you don't know how to download from Rapidshare, you need to go to the bottom of the above linked page and click the "FREE" button, then choose your download site from the page that follows... enter the security key as shown and dah dah.... a download!)
If you need any further help then PM me, rather than filling up this thread any further!
I hope this helps!
Moz.

MIZZO1628 said:
For example you would have trouble finding the difference between a half inch Whitworth and a half in UNC bolt!! I, on the other hand could tell you in less then 10 seconds.
Thanks for all your help!
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Happy to help, but you ask a question I answered it.
As for showing off about Whit / UNC threads..... dont judge books by thier covers, in real life I am a Marine Engineer serving on some of the largest container ships ever built in a very senior position
Now please please take the time to learn about your phone, read all the fora here, and sort out what it is you want to do. And happy flashing once you pop you cannt stop

LOL. is all I can say. You haven't got a hope in hell.
You CAN'T flash the HTC to an M700 because it's locked to Orange. (Similar to a sim lock... Need that explained? Or can you search now??)
Unlock it and you're laughing. (As Mozzer says)
When I posted last, less than 5 posts below yours asking about backing up the rom was the post containing the last link Mozzer has given you, as I said it was even on the first page of threads, not far to look. A forum search for M700 would have shown it immediately.
Backing up the ROM is much harder than flashing it so would have been out of the question for you.
As for UNC and Whitworth. All I can say is congratulations. You, like pretty much all of us (if not all of us) here, also have knowledge in other fields.
I won't bother trying to make myself look big by quizzing you.
I have to admit I have very little knowledge of these devices and am forever endebted to the members of this forum for the information that is shared here and the work put in by many. The difference between you and me is I don't demand it on a plate.
I can use the search engine and look at Stickies. They're stickied for a reason! That reason is either to warn you of forum regulations OR because they are important.
It's not that hard to look in the Trinity subforum and at the first topic which is a link to the Trinity Wiki. (U know what a wiki is? Or is that not of interest as it's not UNC?)
In the Trinity Upgrading sub forum:
5 posts below this (probably seven when I submit this) is a thread entitled:
Moz's RUU_Trinity_Orange_UK_1.23.61.5_1.38.00.11_GSM_NoI PL_NoSPL.exe
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Wonder what that is..... I admit it's a tad convoluted. But you know you have a trinity which is badged by orange.
Third sticky down is entitled:
SSPL (or flashing any ROM 4 free)
Can't think what that's about. I want to flash my M700 with HTC branded.. Could this help? Naah I'll just save time and get everyone to do it for me.
In the Trinity Mobile 6 forum:
First 2 Stickies.. Wonder what they do. Won't bother looking.
Can anyone tell me how to wipe my arse. I've lost the ability to see and use my hands.
In my last post if you look I gave you some clues as to where you could find what you wanted. I'm on alot of forums and people who can't be arsed to have a look for themselves piss me off. If you'd looked and said I've found this that and the other but I'm not sure about it could someone help explain please I'd have done what I could to explain. But you couldn't even do that!

Many Thanks MOZZER!
At least there is someone here who has taken the time to be helpful.

So Deech... what is the difference i between half inch Whit and UNC?

Hi Mozzerr!
As you were kind enough to help with sensible answers could you please advise on the following:
I feel that the Orange ROM on the M700 seems a bit shaky and the GPS take forever to make a cold start... just a gut feeling it's probably the ROM hence the view to flash it.
In your opinion are there any major advantager to WM6 over the HTC release. I don't use 3G stuff or other advance comms mail etc. just the Phone, Active synce stuff, MP3s, Camera and TomTom via the GPS?
What would you do?

Ah now a sensible question.
WM6 is considerably faster than WM5 when it comes to loading menus and programs (and as far as I've found is completely stable).
There currently appear to be a few people who have a battery drain issue, which I for one have not had and should be ironed out soon.
If you use tomtom there is a cab somewhere (I forget where) in the Windows Mobile 6 forum called ATIfix.cab which fixes the freeze issue (if you get it).
If you're going to go to WM6, which I personally would recommend, you can always flash back to the HTC flash if you don't like it.
TBH other than speed for what you've listed as items you use it'd be more about the look and feel of it, so try both and go with what you're happier with.
I hope that helps.

Just remember you loose all the Orange Branding when you flash, so "IF" you find any of it remotely useful it will disappear, including settings for MMS etc.
The Tom Tom Freeze thing seems pretty common, mine idi it big time, but everything else is nicer, faster and smoother.
WM6 is..... nice and well worth it

There is a cab on the forums with all the MMS setting on this forum. I think I linked relinked it somewhere in the Mobile 6 forum, plus some people have extracted several of the orange programs and posted them.

ATT tilt- unlocked,whats the new roms?

I bought a ATT tilt and its unlocked. I'm using it with tmobile. Does anybody know if att released new roms? I see this at my reset
1.27.12.11
22.45.88.o7H
1.57.00.00
If there is something newer, how would i dload it, and what features does it add?
The only thing I did to my unit was do a hard reset and didnt install the att software.

u can upgrade your radio, and you might not want to use at&t's rom. Try the roms that are in Kaiser upgrading portion of this forum. Make sure you install hardspl properly before attempting to upgrade radio/rom.

But what kind of features do these upgrades do?

What do you mean?? Each rom is for a specific reason and they tell you what is in the release.

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What do you mean?? Each rom is for a specific reason and they tell you what is in the release.
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Right. Is there someplace that tells me what the upgrades does before dloading it? I wanted to know if it would be worth the upgrade.

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Right. Is there someplace that tells me what the upgrades does before dloading it? I wanted to know if it would be worth the upgrade.
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If you need to ask, then no. All ROM Chefs include the relevant info in thier original posts. If you are incapable of reading english or are inept at using the multiple search options available, then go back to using your Razr. Hello Moto?

Hey Nick, before talking and sticking foot in your mouth with your childish remarks and quick comebacks, go READ my first post.
I can't believe you tell me that I'm incapable of reading english.. When you yourself can't read what the post is about before responding.
I was asking about the ATT roms. I did NOT ask about the ROMs that people are putting together. But I see your quick 10 year old whip got the best of you by letting you read only the last post to my thread, in which the person was telling me to use the hacked roms.
I was trying to figure out if it would be worth trying to do the normal updates to the att tilt.
edit: Editing so I don't sound like you. I can see how your mind thought I was talking about the cooked roms if you read ONLY the last responses by people. When I asked what they would do, I was talking more like a generalized response on why I would want the cooked rom vs the att. And by they way, try and do a search for: ROM, att, update, patches and tell me how many responses come back. That would be nuts reading as almost every subject in this forum is about those words.
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If you need to ask, then no. All ROM Chefs include the relevant info in thier original posts. If you are incapable of reading english or are inept at using the multiple search options available, then go back to using your Razr. Hello Moto?
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if you dont use the "hacked" roms, you wont get to use your device's full potential. It took me about 4 1/2 months before i got the balls to hardspl my kaiser and flash a rom on it, i was suprised on what i was missing out.
there are rarely any "normal" updates for the tilt. But keep an eye out in feb, rumored windows 6.1 will hit our devices soon!

Ah ok. I didn't want to do it as I finally got the unit working ok. So I was thinking if I was going to do any updates to it I would stick to the "safer" att update being that all I needed is a att sim to put me back on the network if need.
But if 6.1 comes out wouldn't I want to dload the one that att (if they even would give an update) gives for this phone?
ekw said:
if you dont use the "hacked" roms, you wont get to use your device's full potential. It took me about 4 1/2 months before i got the balls to hardspl my kaiser and flash a rom on it, i was suprised on what i was missing out.
there are rarely any "normal" updates for the tilt. But keep an eye out in feb, rumored windows 6.1 will hit our devices soon!
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Yeah, normally the manufacterer htc provides the update, then just maybe if att decides to be nice, they provide it for the tilt a few months later. But im pretty sure you can install the version htc provides, seeing as developers here create a "tilt" fix soonafter (when the time comes, let a few people take the bullet and report problems ). So if you want to download it from ATT to be safe, you can. But if you know what you are doing your options expand exponentially. And its not hard to know what you are doing.
If you follow these simple ideas, you normally dont have to worry about hard resetting / returning to manufacturer.
-Most programs wont cause a hard reset / "defect" the device so download away!!
-Becareful with registry edits, and dont edit anything that you dont know what it is. Worst case scenario-> hard reset
-Once you plan on moving on to modifying your kaiser, you must install hardspl. This "might" brick your device, but if you follow instructions its not likely. With hardspl, it basically insures you that you will never brick your device via rom flashes.
-As for red light of deaths those are really random, many speculations and possible ressurections are within these forums, but its really likely you will have to do a RMA.

Advice

Hello everyone,
having read the Kaiser wiki fairly extensively, I still haven't been able to find the answer to the most important question I had about it.
I recently purchased a v1615 (Vodafone branded Tilt) and the geek inside of me is burning to install a new rom onto it as the one that came with it sucks bad.
Would anybody be able to suggest which are the most popular (i.e best for most common usage) roms out there at the moment?
Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give me.
Gab

The original rom in my tilt was very slow. I flashed my kaiser with one of Dutty's roms and its now much faster and already has most of the software I need already installed.

I like Duttys but Slueth has been the best for me so far.

Gowardo said:
Hello everyone,
having read the Kaiser wiki fairly extensively, I still haven't been able to find the answer to the most important question I had about it.
I recently purchased a v1615 (Vodafone branded Tilt) and the geek inside of me is burning to install a new rom onto it as the one that came with it sucks bad.
Would anybody be able to suggest which are the most popular (i.e best for most common usage) roms out there at the moment?
Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give me.
Gab
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If you really want to let the true geek in you out to play. Try them all. And I will see you at the NExt Flashers Anon Meeting.

hehe,
I appreciate all the advice.
I already have had a bit of a look around the forums now all I need to do is figure out which roms are where and then I'll start trying stuff out... thanks guys
Edit: Also, I have never actually flashed a smartphone before, I bow to those of you who have been in the "business" for a while, but me thinks I might need a bit more time to learn... the thing is, what sort of chance do you think there is that the whole process will drive me crazy? Seems a lil complicated, but doable so far. Just need to understand what all the various different things are for. (I.e. why radios aren't included in roms, and what they are actually for ..yaeh, im THAT noobish).
Anyhoo, thanks again fellas.

If you can follow simple intructions then I think you're going to be ok.

I'm sure I will be fine, but I have a feeling I might take advantage of the more generous of you at some point in the future again...

Gowardo said:
I'm sure I will be fine, but I have a feeling I might take advantage of the more generous of you at some point in the future again...
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That will cost you some true blue Italian Manicotti.
Edit:
All joking aside, you'll be fine. You have already done more than most by reading the Wiki. Might I also suggest the FAQ Wiki. Have fun and welcome to Rom Flashers Anon.

Gowardo said:
Hello everyone,
having read the Kaiser wiki fairly extensively, I still haven't been able to find the answer to the most important question I had about it.
I recently purchased a v1615 (Vodafone branded Tilt) and the geek inside of me is burning to install a new rom onto it as the one that came with it sucks bad.
Would anybody be able to suggest which are the most popular (i.e best for most common usage) roms out there at the moment?
Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give me.
Gab
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Welcome to the flashing club lol.
There is no "best" rom , just find the one that you think is "best" for you.
Yea, the Wiki and Faq here is very noob friendly. I started up as a new ppc user , but It has been so smooth. Most of the flashing trouble can be recover , as long as you dont mess with advance stuff like MTTY .
Try Dutty rom , they are very popular and updated frequently.
make sure you have hard SPL before flashing.
Peeps here are very friendly , as long as you read and research before any question.