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Hi folks
Actually I have a cingular 8125 CID & SIM unlocked, it work with lokiwiz. I would like to know wich ROM update do you recomend me to put inside it and the procedure to do that. I´m a completly neebie.
My Wizard says
ROM version 1.8.11.1 WWE
ROM date 11/24/05
Radio Version 01.16.11
Protocol version 4.0.13.21
ExtROM 1.8.11.103
Flash chip type : M-Systems G3
Model No.: WIZA100
Thanks a lot
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jefferson_paredes said:
Hi folks
Actually I have a cingular 8125 CID & SIM unlocked, it work with lokiwiz. I would like to know wich ROM update do you recomend me to put inside it and the procedure to do that. I´m a completly neebie.
My Wizard says
ROM version 1.8.11.1 WWE
ROM date 11/24/05
Radio Version 01.16.11
Protocol version 4.0.13.21
ExtROM 1.8.11.103
Flash chip type : M-Systems G3
Model No.: WIZA100
Thanks a lot
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I recommend you stay with the stock rom. You don't want to take the time to read, you don't want to take the time to learn, and I quote:
jefferson_paredes said:
I´m a completly neebie.
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Thanks for the useless response.
Actually Im reading a lot of stuff about the AKU 2.3, learning about the experience about of version 2.17. but I think someone can give your opinion or advice about the diferent versions.
Thanks again for nothing.
jefferson_paredes said:
Thanks for the useless response.
Actually Im reading a lot of stuff about the AKU 2.3, learning about the experience about of version 2.17. but I think someone can give your opinion or advice about the diferent versions.
Thanks again for nothing.
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This forum is not for the faint of heart. It is halfway expected that you experiment and read up on other's experiences before asking for help. Most folks here did precisely that and have learned from experience and mistakes, that is why you'll receive that kind of response.
My recommendation to you is to start with the newly released ROM from Cingular and after you get your feet wet, you can move on to bigger and bolder moves. I used to have a "cooked" ROM but I have since moved onto the new stock rom without the extended rom and it has served me well.
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My recommendation to you is to start with the newly released ROM from Cingular and after you get your feet wet, you can move on to bigger and bolder moves. I used to have a "cooked" ROM but I have since moved onto the new stock rom without the extended rom and it has served me well.
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This is helpful
Thanks
I also had the original ROM. I upgraded to 2.17 first and then to 2.25 original ROM from Cingular. I have heard that some folks had problems downgrading so I have only gone up. Eventually summiter will have a modified version that covers new stuff.
I now have push email that I think is great. Go sign up on www.mail2web.com for mail2web live. And go to your email provider and forward but do not delete from the server you email to your mail2web.com exchange server. Then set up ActiveSync to the mail2web server settings. It is great. The email shows up on your phone sometimes before it shows up on your Outlook.
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Thanks for the useless response.
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Garbage in, garbage out. Sticks and stones mate.
Posting what you did, I gave you exactly what you should have expected. I'm not going to tell you to go ahead, void your warranty, and you some how brick your device by flashing it wrong or using the wrong rom, Summiter's projects or not.
I'm merely stating that with the lack of information you provided, and the type of post you made (which as been done many times), you should have thought a little harder about what you're getting into.
I personally don't want to be responsible for you flashing your device, and neither does the author of the custom rom you may choose. My statement of "stick with the stock rom" also applies to recommended STOCK upgrades, such as the one found here:
http://www.htcamerica.net/support/software_downloads_8125.htm
I still don't recommend you electing to flash a custom rom until you are more confident about the possibility of dumping $700 worth of phone as a paper weight. There is always the chance you will brick your device. If you do it with a stock rom, then the provider's warranty kicks in and they have to take the dive, not you or your pocket book.
So dear sir, for the lame attempt at shoving my post right back in my face, it was actually quite helpful if you bothered, once again, to read, read, and read some more. I'm not doing this to flame you, I'm not doing this to be a tard or a ****... but I am taking the voice of many users here who heed caution to you, because using a customized rom is a serious matter, and should be taken into consideration when a $700 device may be bricked.
Just trying to cautiously make you aware of the circumstances. My recommendation: stick with stock - upgrades are a part of stock roms and don't void your warranty (as long as they don't investigate the SuperCID unlocking you did, you're all gravy).
Cheers! and best of luck on your ROM hunt.
Once again, another seasoned poster on this board comes across as a total A-hole to someone brand new here,
Maybe in your circles this is the way you and your buddies interact. And for some who have been here a while they may learn to understand your inflections.
But YOU should realize that this new poster needs to get oriented to this board and HELP point him in the right direction. THAT is YOUR responsibility as an old timer here. And yes you WERE flaming him on the initial response.
As Charles Barkley said " I ain't no role model" well get used to it. YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as well as everyone else here who knows the ins and outs. And your
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Once again, another seasoned poster on this board comes across as a total A-hole to someone brand new here,
Maybe in your circles this is the way you and your buddies interact. And for some who have been here a while they may learn to understand your inflections.
But YOU should realize that this new poster needs to get oriented to this board and HELP point him in the right direction. THAT is YOUR responsibility as an old timer here. And yes you WERE flaming him on the initial response.
As Charles Barkley said " I ain't no role model" well get used to it. YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as well as everyone else here who knows the ins and outs. And your
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I agree 100% with your post. the post made by mengesb was useless and unnecessary.
We have no responsibilities here to instruct you ...
If you don't take the time to research, then that's your decision. If you don't like a response, that's your call.
We try to help all who show a desire to learn. Be careful of who you offend when you ***** about an "Old Timer" that's responding to a Posting that has very little information regarding the knowledge of the Poster.
Me personally, I'm tired of *****ing.. I'm tired of folks like you. I get annoyed at responding to the same questions because no one can read back a few posts.
If we displease you... maybe look for help somewhere else.
I'm noticing that fewer and fewer of the "old timer's" are responding... wonder why?
Steven
chow
To answer the question, the best rom IMHO currently is Summiter's multi-installer AKU2.3 package. He's fixed many of the initial gotcha's and the result is the best radio/AKU combination for the 8125. The only issue is a pesky Times New Roman font that occasionally crops up.
Once SIM & CID unlocked, you'll have no pblms installing this one with your v3 chipset.
Dr Puttingham said:
We have no responsibilities here to instruct you ...
If you don't take the time to research, then that's your decision. If you don't like a response, that's your call.
We try to help all who show a desire to learn.
Me personally, I'm tired of *****ing.. I'm tired of folks like you. I get annoyed at responding to the same questions because no one can read back a few posts.
I'm noticing that fewer and fewer of the "old timer's" are responding... wonder why?
Steven
chow
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I can understand where you're coming from. I'm pretty "new" to these forums, as well -- actually, though . . . NOT!! I "lurked" for a LONG time before I ever started posting and read every thread I could find about upgrading, tweaking, hacking, etc., etc.
I'm coming from a Carrier's customer forum where I feel about THAT forum the same way the "old-timers" here feel about noobs posting questions. It seems like every 4 - 6 weeks, there's an influx of noobs, and they all keep asking the same questions over and over again, without taking the time to use the site's search feature, and we "old-timers" get tired of answering the same questions over and over again, and get extremely frustrated that posters WON'T take the time to do a search and read and apply before posting. AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!! I mean, the answers to 75% of the questions that are asked are right in the User's Manual, for Pete's Sake!!
So, I'm now spending more of my time here reading, researching, applying and THEN asking, if need be. Much more productive information over here, anyway. So, I can see BOTH SIDES of this coin -- both as a relative noob here and as a seasoned veteran of the other forum.
Personally, though, the main reason I don't post more often than I do is that I feel pretty much intimidated with all of the knowledge and the members WITH that knowledge on this forum. But, I will also be quick to say that when I had a problem with a tweak, or a hack that I couldn't seem to overcome, there have been those who have bent over backwards for me to help when I would PM them about it, and THAT was very much appreciated. The ones who have gone that "extra mile" have never in any way made me feel inferior to them when it comes to developmental issues I've inquired about.
From lurking around on here, I've turned into a virtual SPONGE, trying to soak it all in and learn all there is to learn. . . so, bear with me if I should happen to be the one asking a question -- ok??
Lurking is good. The best way to learn here is by lurking and reading, and not just reading selected postings for a day or two. So many questions have already been asked and just need to be found. These forums move quickly and sometimes one needs to go back a few pages to find something and the search COULD be better, but that's the way it is.
I was referring to those that call mengesb names, etc because he didn't give them the answer that they wanted. Actually I thought that he put more time and understanding into answering the OP than I might have, given the information presented. And no, he didn't flame the author.
And I, for one, might not go all out to help someone that responds in such a manner should they need assistance in the future. I mean, who wants to offer advise and risk being called an A-Hole? Not me, that's for sure!
That's just my opinion.
Steven
As someone relatively new to this forum, I've tried to take the same tack as newbie2 and lurk as much as I can. However, even the most comprehensive community cannot answer any and all questions that someone may have. The key here is to be able to differentiate between valid questions asked by someone who's new, and idiotic questions asked by someone who doesn't care to do some research.
That being said, even with about a week’s worth of research I have yet to find a definitive answer as to which custom ROM is the best, and, because we are a community of volunteers, a lot of documentation that would exist for a commercial product is missing. Now that's to be expected, and I don't fault the ROM developer for building what is essentially, something for him, that he shares with the community. However, given that this documentation either doesn't exist or is distinctly lacking, I think the community that the ROM is shared with could be a bit more forthcoming with information, either by making it available in a wiki or in these forums. Keyword searching to try to find the best extended ROM gives a whole bunch of people asking which one is best, as well as the two or three large threads with either summiter's ROM or MrClean's.
Now I know that experimenting can be the best way to find out the information that I seek, but when it's possible to brick a $400 piece of electronics simply by experimenting, one has to be as prudent and careful as possible. That's a frightening proposition and it puts a lot of newbies in a difficult position.
So to conclude this rather verbose post, the best thing that can be done is for the older and more experienced posters to simply respond with a bit of information about the topic being asked, and then if there is a more specific question, to explain to the poster that they can search for this info. This gives newer people that do search and do research the benefit of information shared from more experienced posters without hopefully clogging up the forum with tons of the same question.
Words of caution - and some help
By far, as many of the thread lurkers here can say, the roms submitted by Summiter are probably the better quality roms. But, in light of things, you have a few options:
Mr. Clean ROMs
Summiter's ROMs
Mobiz ROMs
these are the three that I've seen around these parts. Mr. Clean roms are a derrivitive of Summiter's projects, which basically clean out the carrier customization. If you don't like carrier customizations, then this rom would be the best for you.
For those of us who like to use carrier customizations, we usually elect to use Summiter's roms. They typically are very stable, fast, and come already with the generally pre-defined or commonly desired hacks located in the wiki.
As for the Mobiz ROMs, I cannot say one thing or another. I've only recently seen talk about them in the past month or so, and I'm not going to speak of a product I don't have personal experience from.
I don't want to come off complete as a jack ass, but you also do understand where I'm coming from - if my recommendation nukes your device, who's the first person you're going to flame? Me or the Author of that ROM. I've been experimenting with my own ROM customizations myself, and let me tell you, even I haven't dared flash one of my own creations because numerous people here have nuked their devices doing that very thing! I... for now... like many other people await for a seasoned ROM cooking professional to work on those waffles until the ROM feels right - Summiter.
What I will always recommend a new comer is to stick with a stock rom, and do as many minor adjustments to their device as possible just to simply make it faster. If Summiter would post is SummSumm.cab file, that would be perfect for you honestly! You wouldn't void your warranty, and that cab has a lot of good registry hacks to make your device nice and speedy.
When you're ready, and know the concequences, there will be people here to help you attempt to save your device if it does get in trouble. Here's a quick note in that event:
If for some reason your flash fails, or gets interrupted (either by you unplugging the USB cable because you think its hanging; or the dreaded BSOD - blue screen of death), when your device reboots, hold down the camera key. This should load you into the bootloader if its not completely nuked. If you get a tri-color (RGB) screen with/without some white and a 'USB' marking above the left soft key, then you're still good. Resume the updater and don't interupt it.
I'm sure this is a more polite way of giving you the information you seek - and helps you to being well on your way to the club of warranty voided 8125's like many of us here pay our memberships to. I always want to have the voice of this, "Flashing your device can brick your $400-650 investiment - you have been warned."
I'd also recommend searching posts made by the following: machinagod, summiter, Dr Puttingham, and kyphur.
The warranty warning is a valid issue. And the latest ROM release by Cingular is an OK ROM. In your position I'd probably upgrade to that official version and install one of the various reg tweaks cabs available here. I've been using Molski's speed tweaks contribution and notice a marked improvement when using any of the ROMs'.
I personally go back and forth between sumitter's latest, the PDA Mobiz (cuz I like some of the add-ins) and a test ROM that faria made special for me.
If you decide to chance your warranty that's your decision. Actually very few folks that have painstaking followed the procedure have bricked their phones but there's always that chance. I made a conscious decision at the beginning of the year when I got my Wizard that .. first, I had to have direct push and second, if I DID brick my phone I'd consider it a $300 paperweight and blame no one but myself.
I've flashed my phone at least a dozen times I'm sure, in addition to maybe 10 or so of my clients. Luckily I've never bricked a phone yet but a lot of that isn't luck. If you go this route and decide to use an unofficial ROM you must CID and SIM unlock. There are those that say different but sumitter, faria and other custom ROM builders say "do", up to you.
Anything we can help you with, ask.
Steven
chow
I have a TMo MDA and am a six-week-old noob, but learning fast, having spent probably 1000 hours reading posts from here and HoFo. I've decided to keep the stock ROM, at least for the time being, for the reasons cited in previous replies here. Also, in almost every case with the custom ROM's there is a minority that have problems, either small or big, and that has led me away from the adventure of ROM burning. Plus, my stock ROM works fine for me and I'm only having one problem that may be solved by now. It has no major quirks, has enough memory remaining, and rarely crashes.
What bothers me about the custom ROM's is the undercetainty of some of the steps. Do I need Lokowiz and if so which version? Some say you must use the older 2a under some circumstances. With at least one ROM upgrade you can upgrade if you have ROM "X," but if you have "Y" you must downgrade to "Z" first and then upgrade. I entertained the possibility of just doing a hard-reset, then omit the TMo extended ROM, but nowhere could I find info on what I'm missing by eliminating it. Will the phone function at 100% without it? Can I selectively run the CAB's, and if so who makes a list of what is in each CAB? Too many questions for which I see no answers, or foggy ones. Someone needs to write a comprehensive FAQ on these topics.
I did do the slit-antenna mod, which did help a bit, and that was only one day into my MDA ownership. That was a big jump and didn't seem like a risky move like the fingers-crossed, heart-pumping, adrenaline rush of flashing your ROM. I also have installed apps and tweaks that have made the MDA a pleasant experience so far.
My advice would be to play with your new phone for a while and ask yourself, "Am I happy with the way this works," then read about other ROMs available and ask yourself another question: "Will this help enhance my PDA-phone experience in any meaningful way, or do I just like the rush of playing in the street?" Then decide if the improvements, if any, are worth the risks. So far for me they are not...but who knows what will happen tomorrow.
I feel like a commercial here, but I think for newbies (as me) the mobiz ROM has a the usefull stuff, it has all tweaks, programs etc.
I still like it and keep on using it.
Okay guys....this is the deal.
Right now I am pissed off by the noobs!
Me, Dr Puttingham, Faria and a few others..."the Gods of the Wizard Upgrading Forum" (if I can call myself and the rest of them like that) are pissed off, mostly because we got tired by all the noobs asking the same questions over and over and over again....
A few months ago this forum had some "higher intelligence" and most people did read the forum before asking, the last 1,5 month, they are first starting to ask and then read. Giving us the blame for bricking their "brand new Wizard"....screw that!
A few weeks ago I have setup a forum on www.molski.biz (www.molski.biz/forum) until now it has not been used a lot, not even by me, I didn't care about my own forum, I only cared about the XDA forum.
But right now I am thinking of moving over to my own forum, release my Roms only on my forum, answer posts only on my forum, help noobs (that can convince me that they read, read, read and only then asked a question!).
The advantage me, my mods and my admins will have is the ability to delete stupid cid-lock, what's the best rom, where is my comm manager button and how can I see if I have a G3 or G4 Wizard questions. Only questions, tutorials, information that are worth posting will stay on the forum, the rest will be deleted without asking.
Using my forum this way will keep it clean, good and every post will be worth reading!
I also have the power to let new users only post a week after registration, ban them if they get rude and things like that.
Hopefully I will get the GOOD people of XDA with me to my forum (XDA Admins, please believe me when I say I DON'T wanna steal any member, but you have to understand, XDA is going down the drain if you guys don't do something about all the irritations of respected members very soon!).
So guys, please come to www.molski.biz/forum and start filling it, so me and others can join in an active way!
Regards,
Molski
Molski,
I greatly apprecaiate your contributions, time and effort to this site. I have learned alot from your posts, threads and tutorials.
See you over at molski.biz
Molski,
I think there are a lot of people here that have upgraded to your roms and not asked the dumb questions.
I'm a noob, I read all the posts about using cooked roms for weeks before I decided to upgrade to your rom. I never asked any questions and I did not brick my phone. I find it amusing how many people did not read the threads and bricked their phones.
I find your rom to be outstanding, so if I have to go to your website to get a newer one then so be it.
Cheers.
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Molski,
I think there are a lot of people here that have upgraded to your roms and not asked the dumb questions.
Cheers.
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True, but also a lot noobs that do it, also a lot of people that never post here are PMing or emailing me with tons of questions!
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I find your rom to be outstanding, so if I have to go to your website to get a newer one then so be it.
Cheers.
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Thanks, I appreciate it.
Regards,
Molski
Moving On Up
I,ve been a maemberof you new forum for over a week and for one is glad that you and the other mods will be paying more attention t your site. Appreciate all that you and the others have done for all of us and looking forward for more the same.
OK I will join you
I am using your ROM (the older 30 MB one), and I learned a lot from you
Thanks
Just joined
I look forward to what is to come.
Kirby
The Gods of the Wizard Upgrading Forum.
I'm also a little upset by the some questions raised by some of the "noobs" as you call them.
...... Also I'm as upset by some answers written by the "gods" as you call yourself.
If you want to open up your "expert" Forum, then please do, but don't expect anything better. The way you're acting now you'll will always, in any other Forum, be annoyed by the less experienced.....
Don't worry that I will join yours because, although listed as senior member, I still consider myself a 'Noob".
Credit to Dr. P. whom I consider a "God of the Wizard Upgrading Forum", he always tries, although pissed of, to answer even the silly questions.
That Mr. Molski shows the true meaning of "Gods" as you call them.
here we go again...
it looks to me that if you dont dedicate youself to this site 24/7 ,you no longer are remebered or or appriciated , among others. all every one wants is take.
people have no idea.....
ho yes.... were da hell is my paycheck from xda from this month? ehehe
regards .
lets do it...
molski any news flash on combining ur work with faria? i used faria's new rom and it's fast but found it a bit unstable and went back to urs.
thanks
o yea... which would be the best rom for my wizard? (heh srry but i couldn't resist)
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o yea... which would be the best rom for my wizard? (heh srry but i couldn't resist)
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The best will be a 1.01 Rom from your vendor
Molski
Fine … take you whining somewhere else
As you can see I'm a n00b but as I have both a Hermes, a Universal and a Wizard I tend to spend most of my time on the Universal forum checking back here on an infrequent basis and I have to say that the whining and whinging that goes on here is enough to put off anyone for life.
It seems to me that you (Molski, Dr Puttingham et al) all want the glory and adulation of being the "Gods of the Wizard" (WTF) so jump in with answers to any questions that are posted only to whinge and whine about it later. Easiest thing is don't do it, don't jump in with your smart-ass comments about how someone is too stupid to own a glorious Wizard (hey guys, reality check, it's just a freakin' phone!!!). Maybe the upgrades won't come as quick if you leave but do you really think that you're the only ones with the "gift". You might want to take a leaf out of the book of people like Pof, Memaich, LtCmdrIvan and the likes.
GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY
I don't think it's a matter of "the new guy" per se, I think it's a matter of having allowed this site's IQ to drop to half of what it was a year ago. I grant you, I'm tired of this constant, endless "HELP I BRICKED MY PHONE" bull**** too but that's only a part of it. You also have people like that asshat "__s" and the oh-so-moral-minority justifying their theft of Agile messager. They have plenty of experience flashing their phones but they're still dragging this site into oblivion and simply moving it isn't going to help. Years ago I ran a technical site (not about phones) and I ruled it with an iron fist and it worked out really well. Oh yeah, there would be the occasional hippie who would cry about "freedom of speech" and whatnot but I'm not the government, I don't give a damn about freedom of anything. If you showed up on my site with the intention of causing problems, you were gone, end of story. And THAT is what's REALLY needed, if you ask me. If you want to show up and ask how to CID unlock your phone, that's fine. If you learn and then turn around and help others, awesome! But if you show up knowing everything there is to know about PDA phones and use it to steal, insult, mislead, confuse and whatever else goes on around here, you and everything you've posted are gone. THAT is what this site needs, not just the blind dismissal of new people, and THAT is, most likely, never going to happen here which is why I'm writing this place off as a waste of time.
Edit: Heh....see above. Just had to come cry about it, I guess. Buh-bye.
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I don't think it's a matter of "the new guy" per se, I think it's a matter of having allowed this site's IQ to drop to half of what it was a year ago. I grant you, I'm tired of this constant, endless "HELP I BRICKED MY PHONE" bull**** too but that's only a part of it. You also have people like that asshat "__s" and the oh-so-moral-minority justifying their theft of Agile messager. They have plenty of experience flashing their phones but they're still dragging this site into oblivion and simply moving it isn't going to help. Years ago I ran a technical site (not about phones) and I ruled it with an iron fist and it worked out really well. Oh yeah, there would be the occasional hippie who would cry about "freedom of speech" and whatnot but I'm not the government, I don't give a damn about freedom of anything. If you showed up on my site with the intention of causing problems, you were gone, end of story. And THAT is what's REALLY needed, if you ask me. If you want to show up and ask how to CID unlock your phone, that's fine. If you learn and then turn around and help others, awesome! But if you show up knowing everything there is to know about PDA phones and use it to steal, insult, mislead, confuse and whatever else goes on around here, you and everything you've posted are gone. THAT is what this site needs, not just the blind dismissal of new people, and THAT is, most likely, never going to happen here which is why I'm writing this place off as a waste of time.
Edit: Heh....see above. Just had to come cry about it, I guess. Buh-bye.
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BRILLIANT POST!!!
XDA-Idiots.....
I'm signing off here, my financial contributions and tech troubleshooting skills will be better used in the Iron-fisted Molski Forum.
This place has become a daycare for whining brats who spend all their cash on a phone they can't afford then steal the software they want and complain when someone else won't quit their day job to help them mod their phone.
You guys can shove your Warez up your __S
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You guys can shove your Warez up your __S
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LOL (i love the pun!)
................................................. oh and wait for me Im coming!!!!!!!!
rpwood said:
As you can see I'm a n00b but as I have both a Hermes, a Universal and a Wizard I tend to spend most of my time on the Universal forum checking back here on an infrequent basis and I have to say that the whining and whinging that goes on here is enough to put off anyone for life.
It seems to me that you (Molski, Dr Puttingham et al) all want the glory and adulation of being the "Gods of the Wizard" (WTF) so jump in with answers to any questions that are posted only to whinge and whine about it later. Easiest thing is don't do it, don't jump in with your smart-ass comments about how someone is too stupid to own a glorious Wizard (hey guys, reality check, it's just a freakin' phone!!!). Maybe the upgrades won't come as quick if you leave but do you really think that you're the only ones with the "gift". You might want to take a leaf out of the book of people like Pof, Memaich, LtCmdrIvan and the likes.
GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY
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or people could take a leaf of your book and say;
f*k it...
piss off etc etc . but then it would not be any info for you to read.
Wow, dem some strong words for someone who doesn't even own a machine gun...
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Instead of getting upset at the noobies, why no just place a passage at the start of every rom you post that "I will answer no questions about this rom unless it's a design flaw of some sort..."
Or "LISTEN YOUSE PEOPLE!!! IF YOU ASK SILLY QUESTIONS LIKE - SHOULD I UNLOCK MY PHONE - DO NOT USE THIS ROM AS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! READ XDA FOR ABOUT A MONTH THEN COME BACK AND ASK QUESTIONS... I WILL NOT RESPOND TO SILLY QUESTIONS."
I mean come on!!! Your an expert at this. You consider yourself a Wizard god! Of course people are gonna hit you up with silly questions... Youse is the man, where else are they gonna go? To the Wizard devil? Force them to the dark side? Come Skywalker, have patience with the younglings.
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Instead of getting upset at the noobies, why no just place a passage at the start of every rom you post that "I will answer no questions about this rom unless it's a design flaw of some sort..."
Or "LISTEN YOUSE PEOPLE!!! IF YOU ASK SILLY QUESTIONS LIKE - SHOULD I UNLOCK MY PHONE - DO NOT USE THIS ROM AS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! READ XDA FOR ABOUT A MONTH THEN COME BACK AND ASK QUESTIONS... I WILL NOT RESPOND TO SILLY QUESTIONS."
I mean come on!!! Your an expert at this. You consider yourself a Wizard god! Of course people are gonna hit you up with silly questions... Youse is the man, where else are they gonna go? To the Wizard devil? Force them to the dark side? Come Skywalker, have patience with the younglings.
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The problem is that all of this has been done. The true problem is that the noobs won't read they download the ROM's and then ask questions.
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The problem is that all of this has been done. The true problem is that the noobs won't read they download the ROM's and then ask questions.
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Then in that case, they deserve to have $400 bricks. Reading is fundamental [any one remember that commercial?]. I just joined the new forum... Since I've been here, I haven't installed a ROM unless I knew exactly what I was doing. No one to blame but myself if I messed things up...
If you in.ex brick your device, I undestand that you wanna fix it as fast as possible, and that you in panic post 100's of threads asking same question:
"I did this or that, blahblah, and my phone is dead/bricked/stuck in bootloader and so on,please help me im desperate...."
Not only do many post many threads in diffrent sections, they send several pm, and make contact on msn and mail.
DO NOT BEHAVE LIKE THAT, its damn annoying. I hate beeing contacted this way. I GET THE FRICKEN MESSAGE, and if I dont answer within a day or two then im not gonna answer. Its that easy.
So, please dont pm, msn, email or w/e to me if you have issues with bricking, flashing, soft reset, hard reset, where to find a fix to all the worlds problems and why you cant get it up......
I know I might sound like I need to calm down. But actually I am not "pissed off" I just dont have the time to help all with these issues, and when I say that word "all" I mean all, YOU included.
Im not answering anymore posts, pm, msn or email on theese issues, so dontwast your time.
thx
cheers
(please note that this was about those who contacts me in all these ways and then some, within few hours)
ps. When I say no, its NO. (you know who you are)
People should learn to use the search function a lot
Regards,
Carty..
This is funny, but then again it's not. This thread is definitely collecting views indeed. So Itje, your thoughts are indeed "felt" and "respected", by me and many others here. But those few anxious ones, I'm unsure as to why they post the same question(s) in different threads and forums. Laziness I suppose. I once was a junior noob, now I'm a senior noob helping others (as best as I can).
PS. Itje, you are a celebrity here, and those that constantly ask you for advice and complain, they are the paparazzi chasing you around. I'll be a bodyguard if you like, lol. I work in the justice system (in the states) so I know what it's like to have many people coming up to you asking for hookups, advice, and complain, and you are just trying to do what you enjoy with what you know. It's a headache and a half for sure.
Much Respect ..
lol, Im sure I can manage without a bodyguard.
I can speak for myself mostly, but a bit support from time to time is greatly appreciated not fake support, dont agree with me without agreeing with what I say
And yeah, search both using google and searchtab in xda forums are not frecuently used by newcommers, and maybe not seniors either, but what do I know?
No, but what Itje said is true. It does get annoying to be read messages or posts that deal with topics about their phones being bricked. Yes they're panicked, and yes they want to resolve the problem as soon as possible, but that's why we usualy posts warnings about flashing stuff to their phones. Realisticly, if you don't have the patience to do a search and look for answers, then you probabaly won't have the patience to follow the proper steps to flash a device, and that will result in a brick.
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This is funny, but then again it's not. This thread is definitely collecting views indeed. So Itje, your thoughts are indeed "felt" and "respected", by me and many others here. But those few anxious ones, I'm unsure as to why they post the same question(s) in different threads and forums. Laziness I suppose. I once was a junior noob, now I'm a senior noob helping others (as best as I can).
PS. Itje, you are a celebrity here, and those that constantly ask you for advice and complain, they are the paparazzi chasing you around. I'll be a bodyguard if you like, lol. I work in the justice system (in the states) so I know what it's like to have many people coming up to you asking for hookups, advice, and complain, and you are just trying to do what you enjoy with what you know. It's a headache and a half for sure.
Much Respect ..
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I am a Wizard owner. My sister has a Wing behaving badly. I came here to search a fix for her and stumbled upon your thread. PROPS TO YOU!!! I know the Wizard section is constantly mucked up with multiple threads, please help me....blah blah blah. I have taken to answering those threads with my new mantra:
DO NOT ATTEMPT ANYTHING ON YOUR DEVICE WITHOUT FIRST READING EVERY WIKI AND STICKY IN THIS SECTION (at least 3 times each!)...USE THE SEARCH BUTTON, READ PEOPLE'S SIGGY'S AS LINKS ARE OFTEN POSTED THERE TO HELP. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CUSTOMIZE AND/OR FIX YOUR DEVICE WITHOUT FIRST UNDERSTANDING YOUR DEVICE.
I am sure this often comes off as rude, but I feel your "pain" and found that sometimes a panicking noob needs this tough love, and will calm down, breathe, and discover the solution is right in front of them.
Again props to you for speaking your mind about this. And yes, this needs to be respected.
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I am a Wizard owner. My sister has a Wing behaving badly. I came here to search a fix for her and stumbled upon your thread. PROPS TO YOU!!! I know the Wizard section is constantly mucked up with multiple threads, please help me....blah blah blah. I have taken to answering those threads with my new mantra:
DO NOT ATTEMPT ANYTHING ON YOUR DEVICE WITHOUT FIRST READING EVERY WIKI AND STICKY IN THIS SECTION (at least 3 times each!)...USE THE SEARCH BUTTON, READ PEOPLE'S SIGGY'S AS LINKS ARE OFTEN POSTED THERE TO HELP. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CUSTOMIZE AND/OR FIX YOUR DEVICE WITHOUT FIRST UNDERSTANDING YOUR DEVICE.
I am sure this often comes off as rude, but I feel your "pain" and found that sometimes a panicking noob needs this tough love, and will calm down, breathe, and discover the solution is right in front of them.
Again props to you for speaking your mind about this. And yes, this needs to be respected.
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thx mate, for the support.
and thx to others who has expressed support on this issue, both in pm and in posts.
ps
its not that ppl cant contact me and ask for help or w/e, im just not answering what i call incomplete descriptions of w/e, or provide "walk throughs" on rom building, flashing and what not
have a nice day/night/evening/morning...depending on your timezone
cheers
Yeah its pretty bad that people are just diving in without taking the time to understand what they are actually doing when they change the os on their phones. Ive bricked mine at least twice today, but I know how to fix it. Its really simple to fix half the problems that we have when we screw with our gear.
If it doesnt boot, or boot right. Hard reset.
That doesnt fix it. Boot loader. Set back to factory.
This stuff is really simple. Building Roms. Different story.
I think the mods should include a "search first" rule. If anyone posts something thats been discussed they should get a warning, and if it happens again, ban them. I've seen this on tons of forums that have this same problem and it works out quit well .
Have we all had an "oh ****" moment when we realized we were doing it wrong, or incompletely?
Yes.
But if you READ READ READ you won't brick your device. There's always a risk, there's always the possibility, but I can't remember the last time I actually bricked ANY device! I'm not a huge fan of the current flashing method for these custom Wing ROMs - largely because the official RUU flasher is just... more reliable. But regardless, I've STILL not bricked my phone, because I FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS.
I think that people get so excited and think it's EASY and ANYONE can do it. And they kill their systems. It's a similar situation with people who MOD their PS2 or Wii or DS or PSP, they routinely muck it up because they can't be arsed to go read the stickies and do some research before jumping in.
Keep up the good work, itje!
Gurm said:
Have we all had an "oh ****" moment when we realized we were doing it wrong, or incompletely?
Yes.
But if you READ READ READ you won't brick your device. There's always a risk, there's always the possibility, but I can't remember the last time I actually bricked ANY device! I'm not a huge fan of the current flashing method for these custom Wing ROMs - largely because the official RUU flasher is just... more reliable. But regardless, I've STILL not bricked my phone, because I FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS.
I think that people get so excited and think it's EASY and ANYONE can do it. And they kill their systems. It's a similar situation with people who MOD their PS2 or Wii or DS or PSP, they routinely muck it up because they can't be arsed to go read the stickies and do some research before jumping in.
Keep up the good work, itje!
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Well said.
READ READ READ...and when your eyes burn and you see in triple...READ the one in the middle!!!
Modding your phone is much like sex. At first you are excited to get down and dirty so you dive right in and it often is disappointing (because you didn't know what you were doing-damn virgins), but as you do it more, you get better at it, and eventually you have moments when you go "damn I'm good"!!
The first time you mod your phone, you are excited and really likely to muck it up. But as you get to know your device, and experiment, you have those moments when you finish cooking a rom or something, and go..."damn I rock". But until you get to know the how's and why's, you will often be met with disappointments.
akashastrega said:
Well said.
READ READ READ...and when your eyes burn and you see in triple...READ the one in the middle!!!
Modding your phone is much like sex. At first you are excited to get down and dirty so you dive right in and it often is disappointing (because you didn't know what you were doing-damn virgins), but as you do it more, you get better at it, and eventually you have moments when you go "damn I'm good"!!
The first time you mod your phone, you are excited and really likely to muck it up. But as you get to know your device, and experiment, you have those moments when you finish cooking a rom or something, and go..."damn I rock". But until you get to know the how's and why's, you will often be met with disappointments.
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Speak for yourself...I think most can say the first time might be the best ever...a feeling that can't be replicated!
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Speak for yourself...I think most can say the first time might be the best ever...a feeling that can't be replicated!
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lmao
"Hey itje can you help me unbrick my wing.....Please oh come on man hey help me" lmao jk man I just wanted to say that I agrea with all of you guys and the whole "read and study before you do anything" Movement....lol I don't even got my wing yet but I have been surely studying so when It finally get's here, Hopefully tommorow anyways thanks all you guys for all the info and work you put into helping us all
Please DONATE to ITJE for his hardwork and contribution to your devices. It is my understanding that I am the ONLY person who's donated to him, and that's very sad, considering what he does for you, and for free on a daily basis here.
For the longest time, ITJE refused to take donations, and people convinced him to ... now nobody is donating to him... That's ridiculous.
Keep in mind, that without ITJE, none of the other cooks would have even known where to start... and it was ITJE who made the How to build your own Rom tutorial ... and he has answered questions to everyone who was trying to learn how to make roms.
Many of you probably have no idea how long it takes to build roms on here... so even if you only send $5 or $10 ... please show your support and appreciation.... that way ITJE knows he's appreciate when he's getting screamed at by his wife for spending countless hours on the computer working for free to make YOUR phone work better.
SO PLEASE DO ITJE A FAVOR AND SHOW YOUR APPRECIATION FOR WHAT HE DOES AND
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Keep in mind, that without ITJE, none of the other cooks would have even known where to start... and it was ITJE who made the How to build your own Rom tutorial ... and he has answered questions to everyone who was trying to learn how to make roms.
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Hey, I didn't learn to cook from him. But I did learn how to decompile a ROM from that post.
It's sad to hear that he's not cooking anymore, but I don't blame him. He's not the only cook that feels like cooking is not worth our time. We put our life on hold to cook and I think it's time for a new generation of cooks to take over. (Which thankfully, there are some starting to now.) I may have a few new ROMs left in me, though.
Unfortunately, we can never control those people who wish to make a profit out of our sweat, so things like that will always happen. If they want to steal, they will steal. :-/
well.. i think i do the correct thing by contact him coz i've seen the post in eBay (ive searching for a Herald/T-mo wing device cuz herald that i have here is bricked) and appears his rom and i feel bad cuz he spents a lot of time by researching and creating that for us, the xda-dev community and isnt good seeing a boy that earns money for that.. its quite bad, sometimes i felt bad by that, but i think i do the correct thing
I think im responsable by the action of ITJE... sorry
@ duprade
second that... this **** that happend at the moment is very sad
@ itje
(usually i dont wrote to who i donate) but just to make it clear, the 3Euros you mention in the other threat was from me... i know its not much but that was all i´ve got on the acount at the moment... next week i make an another donation for a bigger candybar
by the way... here a still people that estimate the good work from a good cook!
sorry for my bad english... i hope its enough
well..donations will be concidered if there is any chance to make a clean rom? cookers?
is it possible to make elegant clean ROM?without garbage...
I like Dusk ROMs because they are so elegant and well done...but...(there is always but.huh!)....is it possible to make a clean ROM?
Perhaps the word "please" is in order somewhere in your sentence.
The cookers make ROMs as a hobby, not for commercial gains. They can put in whatever items they deem fit (and the cookers certainly believe these items are useful, at least for themselves).
You seem to suggest that they are doing it in exchange for donations. That's insulting.
You can state your wish, but being polite often goes a long way.
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Perhaps the word "please" is in order somewhere in your sentence.
The cookers make ROMs as a hobby, not for commercial gains. They can put in whatever items they deem fit (and the cookers certainly believe these items are useful, at least for themselves).
You seem to suggest that they are doing it in exchange for donations. That's insulting.
You can state your wish, but being polite often goes a long way.
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oh !! sorry ! I forgot to say "please" !
my mistake ! sorry I think you missunderstanded me. i DONT MENT TO BE UNPOLITED!...SORRY. it is not about money or something else....
but when every cooker has a link for "buy me a beer"...why I could not offer a beer ?? if you ask for bear,I can pay you a beer?...
on other hand..there is a quite a lot of us who could pay for decent clean ROM..so why dont let to cookers to earn some money on their knowledge and achievement ?
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Perhaps the word "please" is in order somewhere in your sentence.
The cookers make ROMs as a hobby, not for commercial gains. They can put in whatever items they deem fit (and the cookers certainly believe these items are useful, at least for themselves).
You seem to suggest that they are doing it in exchange for donations. That's insulting.
You can state your wish, but being polite often goes a long way.
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No need to tell him that IMO....He's is just asking a question if someone can make a clean rom. Just tell him if you can make a clean rom, otherwise no need to reply I guess....
@tin2404:
Perhaps you didin't know about the topix roms by kwbr. Try one of them !
Or try the cloudy rom...it's really clean!
Topix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460640
Cloudy:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614538
thank you mmidas for links. I should try to go !
I dont ment to be unpolited...after hundreds of tested roms, just searching a lot of time for clean ROM...
I will Cloudy give a lift !!
CervezaPorFavor said:
Perhaps the word "please" is in order somewhere in your sentence.
The cookers make ROMs as a hobby, not for commercial gains. They can put in whatever items they deem fit (and the cookers certainly believe these items are useful, at least for themselves).
You seem to suggest that they are doing it in exchange for donations. That's insulting.
You can state your wish, but being polite often goes a long way.
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No need to tell him that IMO....He's is just asking a question if someone can make a clean rom. Just tell him if you can make a clean rom, otherwise no need to reply I guess....
@tin2404:
Perhaps you didin't know about the topix roms by kwbr. Try one of them !
Or try the cloudy rom...it's really clean!
Topix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460640
Cloudy:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614538
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there is no place n this forum for rude and impolite request (you titled the thread in upper case and exclamation mark) please. there is even no need of this thread.
just so youll know before fallen spartan closes this.
Why don't you just cook your own ROMs how you want. People cook to their tastes.
well my friend,I suppose that it needs some time and technical expertise to cook rom,but,unfortunally,I dont have to much time to spent for learning principles and that stuff,also,I am not good enough in programming matter (it must be something with my late age 40s perhaps,and "nature memory leak" )...
I think a good solution would be a light or clean WM 6.5 build, without the heavy manila.
I always use spb shell so there is no need for manila.
I have only found Miri's Standart v.36 with such characteristics.
Do you know any other rom 6.5 or at least 6.1 without manila?
Thank's guys
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well my friend,I suppose that it needs some time and technical expertise to cook rom,but,unfortunally,I dont have to much time to spent for learning principles and that stuff,also,I am not good enough in programming matter (it must be something with my late age 40s perhaps,and "nature memory leak" )...
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I understand it's hard to put together a usable rom by yourself, but try this by sparkienl, he has done most of the hard work and all you have to do is select the packages you want and make a rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=515824
Just a side note I find it very sad that 40 or so years life experience hasn't taught you to be polite!! No need to be rude to other chefs and ask them to stop putting garbage in their roms! If you don't like it, simple don't use it! The chefs on here work hard and produce very usable roms for the majority.
xmsnx said:
I understand it's hard to put together a usable rom by yourself, but try this by sparkienl, he has done most of the hard work and all you have to do is select the packages you want and make a rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=515824
Just a side note I find it very sad that 40 or so years life experience hasn't taught you to be polite!! No need to be rude to other chefs and ask them to stop putting garbage in their roms! If you don't like it, simple don't use it! The chefs on here work hard and produce very usable roms for the majority.
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And they do it free of charge, purely because they like it.
Smile
jigners said:
there is no place n this forum for rude and impolite request (you titled the thread in upper case and exclamation mark) please. there is even no need of this thread.
just so youll know before fallen spartan closes this.
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don't be too hard on him:
- in 3 years he posted 125 times
- i see a croatian flag near his join date: in the yougoslavian culture, when you don't say please they don't take offence because it's for the formal use mostly
- as you don't know his culture, try to think that he doesn't know the english one, namely the caps thing. I assume he wrote it in upper case a) to attract attention on his thread and b) to do 'like others' (e.g. [WWE][ROM] etc.)
- last but not least: it's an international community where people help people. Before blaming try to understand. Personaly, I prefer having more friends than enemies and I like to learn from others, the same way they like to learn from me.
Back in the days Nescafe had an add with 'Open up' as motto...
thank you all for enlightening me. (should I say "please" here or not..hm..?)
It seems I found the perfect rom..Reverting back to original shipped 6.1.
thank you for replies.
Appears OP is happy with rom, so thread closed