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Thinking About Getting An Iphone

call me stupid or something a lot worse but i really fancy getting an iphone but i dont know how good they really are. what software or cooking can be done? i have today just played with one and it feels and works nice. i think i will not get rid of my keiser tho it is a fantastic phone. has anyone got one and what are your thoughts

How dare you....ha ha, just kidding!
I do not have an iPhone....nor do I play one on TV. That being said this is what I know (or think I know):
1. Love the form factor
2. Love the smooth graphics
3. You can "hack" the iPhone so that you can install programs (in fact, I saw someone put the coolest game ever on one called iPhysics). I am really hoping someone here on xda-dev can port that one to WinMo.
4. It is NOWHERE NEAR as customizable as the WinMo platform. If you like tweaking, changing, messing with your phone settings...then stick with WinMo.
5. If only the two could be merged into one device.....
My 2 cents. Others may challenge my observations. Good luck.

As much as I would like one, there still are many shortcomings that make me stick with my tilt, with the primary one being that I cannot sync to my exchange server at work yet. Additionally, the lack of 3rd party software. I have been a Windows Mobile user for about 8 years now and I've built up a rather large list of frequently used applications and games to get me through the day. I'm also holding off for increased storage as my music collection alone is over 30 gb and adding videos on top of that, 8 gb just doesn't cut it.
Not quite sure how this thread fits in the Kaiser upgrade section though.

Price and customizations
Pros and cons over a Kaiser
Pros
1) Sleeeeeeeeeek
2) Really Nice browsing and multimedia experience(though it might not support some formats)
3) Like Borat says it has p.. magnet installed.
4) Works well with Mac and PC(iTunes)
5) 8GB Memory
6) Absolutely no worry about which radio or OS build to use.No sleepless nights burning new builds.Peach of mind.
Cons
1) Price (I got my tilt for 150$ in ATT premier)
2) No GPS hardware
3) If you have an unlock one, it will be a brick when you update a new firmware.
4) No outlook server sync
5) If your are with ATT then you have to have the Data Connection even if you don't need it(extra $)
6) Remember you will never see the beautiful tricolor screen ever.. ever in your life.
7) No 3G
For me the cost to feature and can't customize factors are deal breakers

crispyj said:
As much as I would like one, there still are many shortcomings that make me stick with my tilt, with the primary one being that I cannot sync to my exchange server at work yet. Additionally, the lack of 3rd party software. I have been a Windows Mobile user for about 8 years now and I've built up a rather large list of frequently used applications and games to get me through the day. I'm also holding off for increased storage as my music collection alone is over 30 gb and adding videos on top of that, 8 gb just doesn't cut it.
Not quite sure how this thread fits in the Kaiser upgrade section though.
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I just hate Apple!
Not to take anything away from their products....they do make some nice stuff.
I too, have alot of programs that I use, all my movies and music are ready to go....just drag and drop on my sd card. I don't need my whole library with me. I barely listen or watch the stuff that I do carry around. I walk around with 8 albums and 2 movies...that's more than enough.
I've seen alot of people lose their music going from one computer to the next or upgrading devices. Dealing with .mp3's & .avi's, I don't have this issue.
Eventhough the iPhone is straight forward, to me it seems more complicated. Dealing with flashing ROMs or Radios and white screen and bootup screens to me is easy. I know what to expect, I know how to fix and it gives me an escape from the wife.
Hope you enjoyed my story....I will not get an iPhone.
I'll let my wife be the guinea pig

I got both initially. Returned the iPhone and was embarrassed I'd ever wondered which to get. While sleek, it's far slower (data speed) and has far fewer functional capabilities. I have faith it will eventually be an amazing device (version 2 or 3), but I thought of it as a Paris Hilton type girlfriend. It will be fun to look at and play with for about a month. When you really have to start interacting with it long-term you'll find out it's mostly style and not much substance. Perfect phone for teenagers and people with no responsibilities.
BTW - I've had for more girls chat me up over my Kaiser than I did with the iPhone...mostly because iPhones are relatively widespread here now.

spotlessdragon said:
call me stupid or something a lot worse but i really fancy getting an iphone but i dont know how good they really are. what software or cooking can be done? i have today just played with one and it feels and works nice. i think i will not get rid of my keiser tho it is a fantastic phone. has anyone got one and what are your thoughts
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And this has got what to do with Kaiser upgrade?????????????????

sherpa said:
And this has got what to do with Kaiser upgrade?????????????????
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I guess he is wondering whether the iPhone might be an upgrade over the Kaiser?

I would suggesting waiting until around the middle of the year and get the 3G iphone, i had a iphone and i took it back just based on the fact the data was too slow but other than that it was perfect.

just my 5 cents...
I was seriously considering replacing my vario III with N95 8gigs ... but thank You Lord!! I found my common sense once more... symbian.. never more.
iphone?
as someone wise once said... are You watching movies all day? do You really need to put more than one of Yer greasy fingers on Yer screen at a time to feel better? ....... any other pros?
look pal... I don't want to convince You that tytn II is the best toy ever, but all I can say is, that You certainly won't find better swiss army knife of pocket computing. period.
I won't point out the features. we all know them... guess what? the list is getting bigger. each day.......
welcome to xda-developers forum
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oh yeah... btw. I'll stick with it till better winmo device will come out. hopefully they won't be holding back wm7 for too long..

unixdeveloper said:
Pros and cons over a Kaiser
Pros
1) Sleeeeeeeeeek
2) Really Nice browsing and multimedia experience(though it might not support some formats)
3) Like Borat says it has p.. magnet installed.
4) Works well with Mac and PC(iTunes)
5) 8GB Memory
6) Absolutely no worry about which radio or OS build to use.No sleepless nights burning new builds.Peach of mind.
Cons
1) Price (I got my tilt for 150$ in ATT premier)
2) No GPS hardware
3) If you have an unlock one, it will be a brick when you update a new firmware.
4) No outlook server sync
5) If your are with ATT then you have to have the Data Connection even if you don't need it(extra $)
6) Remember you will never see the beautiful tricolor screen ever.. ever in your life.
7) No 3G
For me the cost to feature and can't customize factors are deal breakers
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# 3 is wrong. If you unlock your phone all you need to do is virginize it BEFORE updating your firmware.
# 4 WRONG! You can sync with outlook and do so wirelessly!
# 5 is wrong. I have my plan based on my Tilt and switch SIMs regularly. You lose visual voicemail but gain the ability to use MMS with the Swirly MMS 3rd party app.
# 7 is why the iPhone has 3x's the battery life of my Tilt.
My pros and cons based on using both daily:
iPhone Pros:
1) Sleek design. Better for me during the summer to take than have a brick on my hip.
2) Safari is the best browser out. End of discussion on browsers.
3) Once jailbroken your phone can have MMS, VoIP, Video Record, and a TON of awesome apps you wont see on WM6.*
4) Graphically better looking and easy to mod
5) Faster UI. Apps run a lot faster starting. NO soft resets needed UNLESS a new app fresh out has some bugs..just like ANY beta.
iPhone Cons:
1) No ability to receive MMS yet, though the developer of Swirly MMS is working to fix this
2) No GPS, but someone has already made a GPS device that plugs into the iPhone and does work! Not ready to be released yet.
3) Video Record has no sound. Sh!tty app release IMO.
4) No QWERTY.
The iPhone is an awesome phone, just incomplete IMO. That's why I use both. Situation dictates device for me.

For me, the iPhone is missing too much - 3G, Bluetooth stereo, Exchange sync, video recording, voice dialing and (perhaps most importantly) the ability to tweak and customize to my heart's content.
However, I got one for my wife for Christmas, and for her it's the perfect device - something that "just works" and doesn't require daily maintenance, hacks and 3d-party replacement programs just to make it useable. I tried several times in the past to get her to use Palm/WM devices, and they always ended up in a drawer after a couple of weeks. The iPhone, on the other hand, is her constant companion.
If they eventually implement most or all of the missing features I listed above, I'll seriously consider getting one. It really is an amazing device with great hardware and a GUI that's leagues ahead of anything else on the market.

i just like my Universal and Blueangel. I have already burnt mah fingers twice by choosing imac.

Check out iphone and you will forget your WM bricks, i bet

Saaduk said:
Check out iphone and you will forget your WM bricks, i bet
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Oh, ok then. All the detailed arguments didn't sway me, but since you called my phone a brick I'm convinced.

After the launch of SDK, iPhone will be a totally different device.. Imagine a WM with no 3rd Party Software/mods installed.
All of my previous WM devies had new kind of problems. Some had touch screen alignment problem, random muting, even these 400mhz processors are hell slow.
Im not saying that iPhones are perfect devices but alteast are better than these PPCs.

I own a Kaiser and an iPhone.
I'm a cooker, and you will see in my signature my work. I like to tweak, mod etc... I also own an unlimited internet HSDPA connection.
Therefore I prefer the iPhone.
It don't own a GPS, but I don't use it eveyday! (for this, I use the Kaiser or my Asus 620BT)
-The display drivers are crap on the Kaiser (everybody knows), they are wonderfull on the iPhone, you seems to have 3x more power.
-The camera is a little better on the iPhone (I can send same photos at the same time I took with the devices to compare)
-The screen is better on the iPhone (16/9 half-vga) and the colors are better (every photos or videos are improved on this device), iphone can play H264. if I put the same video on the Kaiser with TCPMP or CORE PLayer, I only see a slideshow
-the Multitouch is really good to slide/resize your photos.
-The touch is better on the iPhone (no need to push on the screen) this is a technology patented by Apple.
-Safari (the web brower) is better than any other brower on WinMo (better than Opera Mini wich is for me the best). Even Maps wich display better than googleMaps ans all other app (dialer, sms, calendar with wheel etc).
-The antenna Wifi is better on the iPhone too.
Well (for me) everything is better on the iPhone, the only regret is the speed while I surf the internet (HSDPA is better than Edge) I can reach 1MB/S on the Kaiser.
For the Visio on the Kaiser: nobody can hear me clearly (when I am in a quiet environment), I need to shout on the mic, so the person can not see my face anymore. so it's unusable for me. I don't know if this issue is on all Kaiser (I own the french Vodafone SFR rom).
the MP3 player is better on the iPhone (I use Shure E2C (99$ headset) on both devices), the quality is far better. and I prefer to navigate using the iPhone.
I like to share the internet connexion on the Kaiser but I can do it on the iPhone too, but as I said it's faster on the Kaiser...
Someone put the price of the iPhone as "CON" but the Kaiser come with 128MB and the iPhone with 8GB...
In fact, I think it depend of what you need, you will prefer the kaiser or the iPhone. I read someone hates Apple,ok, but I hate HTC for not doing a better 3D display driver like the other 8000+ persons who have signed the petition.
At least Apple provided good drivers and a fast device

agreed with gibs.. U just explained it better

I'd get a fake iphone from china, apparently some have "windows mobile" on them

and then u will have a fake device with a buggy OS.. 2 in 1

Moving On, but Wanted to Say Thanks

Well guys... the time has come for me to move on. I recently got a 32gb Iphone 3GS last week and love it! The main reason I moved to it was for its speed and incredible improvements in features over the 3G, as well as the amazing touchscreen keyboard. I really had wanted to go with the Touch Pro 2 for AT&T, but could not wait till October for the release. Also, I had a chance to try out the TMobile version of the Touch Pro 2, but was a little let down by it. I expected it to be much better from all the rumors surrounding it on the web, but it wasn't. I was hoping the VGA resolution and wider screen would make the all new touchdscreen keyboard on the TP2 as good as the Iphone, but it wasn't very accurate. I loved the hardware keypad buttons my Kaiser, but since the TP2 doesn't have those and is full touchscreen unless the keyboard is slid out, I figured I might as well get the Iphone since it's a touchscreen as well. The TP2 seemed a little slow compared to what I thought it would be from the online reviews. The slide out keypad was very nice, and much better than our Kaiser's. Another thing that WM doesn't have which is why I switched to the Iphone, is its Facebook app with chat. I use Facebook at work daily, and love the ability to be able to see who's online on my phone. I had been under the belief that I would always stick with Windows Mobile since it is so customizable. I loved my HTC Kaiser, which I successfully converted from a Tilt to a TyTN II by changing the housing and adding the front camera. I am truly amazed at how much I learned about this device since I joined this forum, from flashing custom roms, to changing registry settings, and configuration settings to make the device work even better. Before this forum, my Tilt was a joke since it was so slow. Now, it's amazingly fast, and very functional.
Basically, I just wanted to thank all the members on this forum who helped me whenever I had any problems. All of you were so helpful and were quick to respond. I also wanted to thank all the chefs and developers who put all their hard work in to making those custom roms for free, and updating them frequently. I really enjoyed the WM 6.5 releases you guys created, even though it isn't officially out . Lol.
My Tilt has been the first phone that I have owned that I still truly love, even after getting a new Iphone. I will be attending Cal Poly University in a few weeks, majoring in Electrical Engineering, and plan to bring my Tilt with me. I still browse this forum almost daily, since the developments, along with the members, are just great. I plan to still update my Tilt with new roms that come along, since it just seems wrong not to, and is something I have been doing forever. I am not truly leaving this forum, just won't be here as often since I have a new daily device. I will still be around here though to offer help to people who have problems or need advice.
Anyways, sorry for the long post, but just wanted to thank everyone, instead of just basically leaving on a bad note saying WM sucks. I believe it can only improve, and can't wait to see what lies ahead for it. Thanks again.

Tilt Fanatic said:
Well guys... the time has come for me to move on. I recently got a 32gb Iphone 3GS last week and love it!
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Take a peek at my avatar on your way out.

WillardZ said:
Take a peek at my avatar on your way out.
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And good luck "you'll need it" JK

I'm so on the edge as well....have the Tilt all modded out, and want the Touch Pro 2, but I keep seeing my brother doing all this stuff on his iphone and so I've been looking for an unlocked used one to try out on T-mobile. If the TP2 wasn't $350 bucks!!! I'd already have it....
Tilt Fanatic said:
Well guys... the time has come for me to move on. I recently got a 32gb Iphone 3GS last week and love it! The main reason I moved to it was for its speed and incredible improvements in features over the 3G, as well as the amazing touchscreen keyboard. I really had wanted to go with the Touch Pro 2 for AT&T, but could not wait till October for the release. Also, I had a chance to try out the TMobile version of the Touch Pro 2, but was a little let down by it. I expected it to be much better from all the rumors surrounding it on the web, but it wasn't. I was hoping the VGA resolution and wider screen would make the all new touchdscreen keyboard on the TP2 as good as the Iphone, but it wasn't very accurate. I loved the hardware keypad buttons my Kaiser, but since the TP2 doesn't have those and is full touchscreen unless the keyboard is slid out, I figured I might as well get the Iphone since it's a touchscreen as well. The TP2 seemed a little slow compared to what I thought it would be from the online reviews. The slide out keypad was very nice, and much better than our Kaiser's. Another thing that WM doesn't have which is why I switched to the Iphone, is its Facebook app with chat. I use Facebook at work daily, and love the ability to be able to see who's online on my phone. I had been under the belief that I would always stick with Windows Mobile since it is so customizable. I loved my HTC Kaiser, which I successfully converted from a Tilt to a TyTN II by changing the housing and adding the front camera. I am truly amazed at how much I learned about this device since I joined this forum, from flashing custom roms, to changing registry settings, and configuration settings to make the device work even better. Before this forum, my Tilt was a joke since it was so slow. Now, it's amazingly fast, and very functional.
Basically, I just wanted to thank all the members on this forum who helped me whenever I had any problems. All of you were so helpful and were quick to respond. I also wanted to thank all the chefs and developers who put all their hard work in to making those custom roms for free, and updating them frequently. I really enjoyed the WM 6.5 releases you guys created, even though it isn't officially out . Lol.
My Tilt has been the first phone that I have owned that I still truly love, even after getting a new Iphone. I will be attending Cal Poly University in a few weeks, majoring in Electrical Engineering, and plan to bring my Tilt with me. I still browse this forum almost daily, since the developments, along with the members, are just great. I plan to still update my Tilt with new roms that come along, since it just seems wrong not to, and is something I have been doing forever. I am not truly leaving this forum, just won't be here as often since I have a new daily device. I will still be around here though to offer help to people who have problems or need advice.
Anyways, sorry for the long post, but just wanted to thank everyone, instead of just basically leaving on a bad note saying WM sucks. I believe it can only improve, and can't wait to see what lies ahead for it. Thanks again.
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I too went to the Iphone. Sigh

Thanks for the positive comments left by the few of you that did. I am in no way biased toward the Iphone, nor WM, I just appreciate a fine device, regardless of its make. For those of you that have criticized the Iphone, I ask you this, "Have you even tried the new 3GS out yourself, or are you just basing your opinion on responses from other people?" Before the 3GS, I never would have considered the Iphone, since it's features really weren't that great. The 3GS has some amazing features, that truly swayed me. There are just some things that truly make the Iphone better. I was sick of not being able to do what friends of mine were able to do with there older Iphones, like Facebook chat, as well as get some of the amazing apps available from the app store. The 3MP camera with autofocus is truly amazing! Also the amount of storage space on the phone is truly great. For me, I own a MacBook Pro, so switching to the Iphone made compatibility between the two much easier. Not here to criticize devices, just here to clear up some misconceptions about them.

booshwa said:
I'm so on the edge as well....have the Tilt all modded out, and want the Touch Pro 2, but I keep seeing my brother doing all this stuff on his iphone and so I've been looking for an unlocked used one to try out on T-mobile. If the TP2 wasn't $350 bucks!!! I'd already have it....
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Good luck. The 3G is pretty good, but for me, the 3GS was the only model that was actually an upgrade for me from the Tilt. I love taking pictures and videos, so getting a basic 3G would have been a downgrade due to a lower MP camera, and no video recording. Not to mention that the 3G can't do tethering, unless it is jail broken I believe. Plus the 3GS is twice as fast!

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Good luck. The 3G is pretty good, but for me, the 3GS was the only model that was actually an upgrade for me from the Tilt. I love taking pictures and videos, so getting a basic 3G would have been a downgrade due to a lower MP camera, and no video recording. Not to mention that the 3G can't do tethering, unless it is jail broken I believe. Plus the 3GS is twice as fast!
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If you really think that this thing is going to take decent pictures and video for you, you are going to be sadly disappointed. I went to a wedding yesterday with my 3Gs 16GB Black, the camera is great outdoors with natural light in ideal settings, but so is my " dollar store " keychain digital camera. Inside in appropriate wedding lighting, it was useless.
Aside from that , what do you have A.D.D. ? Chumley Ex and I both have Tilts and 3Gs' , we haven't said goodbye. It's like being married and having a girlfriend on the side , can't you do both ?

I am a loyal Tilt-er (for the past two years), and I just tried out a 3GS this weekend to see what all the fuss was about.
It is a beautiful machine, but there are several things that I still find inferior to the Tilt:
1. Soft keyboard makes typing long messages difficult.
2. Can't sync POP properly. I can delete messages off the server from my phone, but when I delete messages off the server and I've already downloaded them to my phone, they stay on my phone. Tilt handles that and keeps all POP inboxes synced to the server.
3. Switching between email accounts is incredibly tedious and time-consuming, having to back out of one and then go into another, especially if you have many folders.
4. Still no GPS app with text-to-speech for street names.
5. Horrendous battery life.
Did I miss anything? Am I wrong about any of these? I do like the iPhone, but it doesn't feel like I'll be productive enough. Thoughts? Thanks.

booshwa said:
I'm so on the edge as well....have the Tilt all modded out, and want the Touch Pro 2, but I keep seeing my brother doing all this stuff on his iphone and so I've been looking for an unlocked used one to try out on T-mobile. If the TP2 wasn't $350 bucks!!! I'd already have it....
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Easyy, TP2 (would be) around $1200 in here.. =)))
Wish you a happy life with your iPhone.
hey.. Where can I find "all" those tricks to get my Kaiser faster btw? There's not a general topic saying "get it fast" and and I can't make a accurate search since I don't know what makes it faster?
quite off topic.. hope someone can tolerate and help =)
bye mate =)

greenbep said:
I am a loyal Tilt-er (for the past two years), and I just tried out a 3GS this weekend to see what all the fuss was about.
It is a beautiful machine, but there are several things that I still find inferior to the Tilt:
1. Soft keyboard makes typing long messages difficult.
2. Can't sync POP properly. I can delete messages off the server from my phone, but when I delete messages off the server and I've already downloaded them to my phone, they stay on my phone. Tilt handles that and keeps all POP inboxes synced to the server.
3. Switching between email accounts is incredibly tedious and time-consuming, having to back out of one and then go into another, especially if you have many folders.
4. Still no GPS app with text-to-speech for street names.
5. Horrendous battery life.
Did I miss anything? Am I wrong about any of these? I do like the iPhone, but it doesn't feel like I'll be productive enough. Thoughts? Thanks.
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Tilt is bulky and slow compared.
Tilt music and video play back suck, if you can get video working at all
Internet access and browsing is slow and clunky compared.
Can't play my DRM itunes library on Tilt.
Tilt can be "fixed" for all of this , but 3Gs out of the box does it all,
Both your list and mine go on and on, which is why I have both.

The cool thing about the tilt was that 2 years ago it did pretty much everything the newer iphone do now. When the tilt hit the stands the iphone was only edge, it had no gps etc.
The tilt can go to all the nice flash pr0n site, the iphone only gets one.
the iphone is smooth and it just feels like something from the future.

Consensus on Froyo?

For those who have upgraded to 2.2, how do you feel about it? Has the speed noticeably improved? More stability? More better?!
Just curious as to what those of us with non-N1 phones have to look forward to as this version gets released for other handsets.
I am also wondering if this: "Apps can now send information to the Google server and have it send the info to the phone, wake it up and even load up whatever info they want" means that there will FINALLY be some decent mail clients with PUSH. That's the one thing which keeps me thinking about my old BB is the instant e-mail...
Thanks!

Honestly, the new stuff that they added in make 2.2 a great step up... enabling JIT is HUGE and I dont think people realize how big this is...
The whole foundation and innards of the Android OS have been upgraded and become more efficient which is great for all phones but there is a ton of lacking to the nexus one rom itself which is why many people are going back to their custom 2.1 roms...
personally, something as simple as having black text overlay a white background in the messaging app is EXTREMELY annoying let alone showing the persons picture next to each message is an incredible waste of space... same gripes go for trackball colors, trackball wake, number overlay on the battery icon (right now im using the battery indicator app but its pretty janky if you ask me), launchers not working right, themes not working yet, native 360 home screen rotation (which they REALLY should have put in)... the list goes on really...
however, i am sticking it out on froyo to get a feel for the new radio, battery life changes (if any, mine seems to have tanked), use more flash, ect... i wanna get used to the new features because when CM6 drops its going to be peace and harmony again
on a side note, my Bloo 1.5 beta app wigs out on me ALOT more than it did in 2.1 which is annoying as well since i love the app!

ronnienyc said:
For those who have upgraded to 2.2, how do you feel about it? Has the speed noticeably improved? More stability? More better?!
Just curious as to what those of us with non-N1 phones have to look forward to as this version gets released for other handsets.
I am also wondering if this: "Apps can now send information to the Google server and have it send the info to the phone, wake it up and even load up whatever info they want" means that there will FINALLY be some decent mail clients with PUSH. That's the one thing which keeps me thinking about my old BB is the instant e-mail...
Thanks!
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Push email is up to the email provider. If MS or Yahoo wanted to they would have done an email app with push already.

JCopernicus, when I had a Palm Pre, any POP mail account I set up on that thing got "pushed" instantly, just like a Blackberry. Only it was actually faster than a Blackberrry - all emails showed up in about 1 second after being sent!
I don't know if it was technically "push" or what, but instant e-mail without polling a server is what I am talking about.
That was build into the Pre's WebOS...(there was no need to add clients or such.) With the Pre: Just use the mail app, input your email and password, and it's all set up. Worked very well. I am hoping for this on Android ASAP!
thanks.

JHaste, I know there is the new JIT in there - but does it actually FEEL much faster in normal use ;-)

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JCopernicus, when I had a Palm Pre, any POP mail account I set up on that thing got "pushed" instantly, just like a Blackberry. Only it was actually faster than a Blackberrry - all emails showed up in about 1 second after being sent!
I don't know if it was technically "push" or what, but instant e-mail without polling a server is what I am talking about.
That was build into the Pre's WebOS...(there was no need to add clients or such.) With the Pre: Just use the mail app, input your email and password, and it's all set up. Worked very well. I am hoping for this on Android ASAP!
thanks.
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That's because palm worked with all those email providers to include push on palm devices.

I had no "provider", I have my own web site and POP off of that (server run by Bluehost), and it was instant email...
Do you mean they worked with every web site server company to implement push (there are thousands)? And Blackberry works with all of these companies individually too? (Anyway, if little ond Palm can do it, then Google should be able to figure it out ;-))
What ever they are doing I hope Google does the same. Getting email only every 15 or 30 minutes is a P.I.T.A., and the polling servers kills the battery on Android devices. Try setting it to every 5 minutes and your phone will not last half a day in my experience. Especially if you have several email accounts set up.

the browser is much much faster compared to before. i spend a lot of time browsing on my phone and every single site renders about twice as fast compared to before. other than the browser though, i have not used a single intensive application :/

For me froyo is fast in every way. I have problems with some 3rd party apps that need to be updated for froyo, but besides that, everything is great. I already updated 3 apps and waiting the update for 2 more. In the coming weeks we will see the apps being updated and the market access to paid apps will be there.

Can't imagine there will be consensus on Froyo, until sometime after it is officially released to the general population by Google. Sometime after OTA updates are widely occurring, when the broader community will have access to a genuinely official FROYO intended for and pushed to them by Google.
To expect consensus when we do not even know if it is THE official release to market, is jumping the gun. Judging by all the comments and issues around this forum....I am dearly hoping what the early adopters have, is NOT the official release.
In the mean time you will get plenty of Froyo Opinions, but little consensus I'd reckon.

I think once Cyanyogenmod comes out, we will have the best of both worlds, and my gripes will be eased.

logger said:
Can't imagine there will be consensus on Froyo, until sometime after it is officially released to the general population by Google. Sometime after OTA updates are widely occurring, when the broader community will have access to a genuinely official FROYO intended for and pushed to them by Google.
To expect consensus when we do not even know if it is THE official release to market, is jumping the gun. Judging by all the comments and issues around this forum....I am dearly hoping what the early adopters have, is NOT the official release.
In the mean time you will get plenty of Froyo Opinions, but little consensus I'd reckon.
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hate to burst your bubble of hope but this is the release that we were waiting for... it has the framework for flash to run, JIT is enabled, ect, ect... and it obviously has all of the drivers meant for the N1 since our phones are running it fine...
I dont know why everyone was expecting a 1.6 to 2.0 leap... this is an incremental leap just like 2.0 to 2.1, it has some nice new features and cleaned up a few things but it is not ground breaking... like i said before it really just made the whole android os more efficient and snappier with JIT enabled and yes I can tell a difference on just about any app
this has everything google said it was going to have... not its up to our lovely devs to make it shine! and there might be other little goodies that the devs can now do that they couldnt on 2.1...

after all the hype surrounding this new release, it's not all that great. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the added features but there are people talking about how much faster it is ... thinking those people were coming from a junked up flash anyways. Anytime you wipe and reinstall everything always seems a little nicer.
Overall, I think it's nice but definitely not worth all the hype. Still on the fence about doing cyan or another rom ... they seem to have their share of issues as well and at present I am just fine with a rooted stock ROM. Shame no one has taken the time to come up with MetaMorphs for the stock ROMs.

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the browser is much much faster compared to before. :/
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With Adobe Flash installed browsing the web isn't fun anymore. It's painfully slow..also when using some multitouch gestures. In daily use (calendar, mail, todo's and web) I seriously can't tell which one is faster....2.2 or the latest CM. For me Froyo is a bit of a disappointment. After setting it up with all the programs I use on a daily basis there is very little difference (looks and speed) with prior versions. Adobe Flash was the first program I installed after flashing Froyo..and it was the first program I uninstalled after 15 minutes of use. Finally, I almost can't imagine this is a final release...too many little bugs.

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after all the hype surrounding this new release, it's not all that great. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the added features but there are people talking about how much faster it is ... thinking those people were coming from a junked up flash anyways. Anytime you wipe and reinstall everything always seems a little nicer.
Overall, I think it's nice but definitely not worth all the hype. Still on the fence about doing cyan or another rom ... they seem to have their share of issues as well and at present I am just fine with a rooted stock ROM. Shame no one has taken the time to come up with MetaMorphs for the stock ROMs.
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the 2.2 code hasnt been released yet so its hard to make a rom or de-ox when the devs dont have the ability to do so

pIxiLatEd said:
after all the hype surrounding this new release, it's not all that great. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the added features but there are people talking about how much faster it is ... thinking those people were coming from a junked up flash anyways. Anytime you wipe and reinstall everything always seems a little nicer.
Overall, I think it's nice but definitely not worth all the hype. Still on the fence about doing cyan or another rom ... they seem to have their share of issues as well and at present I am just fine with a rooted stock ROM. Shame no one has taken the time to come up with MetaMorphs for the stock ROMs.
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Your a little off on this. I did not whipe when I flashed 2.2. I used motoco rom and there is a significant speed increase. Not just opening apps, but boot up time as well. I am missing a few fetures from CM6.0.7-T2 but I am happy to wait for them. While I wait for trackball wake and Notification, Ill entertain my time with some hulu lol.

Flash does slow down browsing, but it's better to have the option than...nothing, so for now, I set it as "On Demand" and it's more that I can ask for.
Nobody is mentioning:
- Active/Sync support with, finally exchange push without compromises, PIN/Remote wipe, GAL, Calendar.. no need for third party mail apps
- Office 2007 files now open with quickoffice
- Bluetooth Dial from headset
When the subtle MODS (full screen browser, music widget/controls, trackball..) make it into CMXX it will be great, but for now, I will stick with 2.2

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I had no "provider", I have my own web site and POP off of that (server run by Bluehost), and it was instant email...
Do you mean they worked with every web site server company to implement push (there are thousands)? And Blackberry works with all of these companies individually too? (Anyway, if little ond Palm can do it, then Google should be able to figure it out ;-))
What ever they are doing I hope Google does the same. Getting email only every 15 or 30 minutes is a P.I.T.A., and the polling servers kills the battery on Android devices. Try setting it to every 5 minutes and your phone will not last half a day in my experience. Especially if you have several email accounts set up.
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My mistake, I just looked around some more. Palm os uses imap idle to push email. If your server supports it it works good.
On the android side you can use K-9 mail for the same function. Default email client doesn't (other than gmail).

Froyo is fine for me in the state it is. I still think it's just a pre-release just like a teaser or something. Either way we all know that once the source code it released and the devs get cracking on some roms then this will be forgotten.
Everyone has an opinion and it seems nobody will ever be happy with anything that is put out for our device. Honestly I dont think alot of us were supposed to have froyo yet, but paul and cy hooked us up and there is still complaints. Then when everyone officially gets froyo there will be complaints about that etc.
I'm not trying to turn this into an arguement or anything but I say the consensus should be Froyo is a nice little upgrade from 2.1. Heck i sold my x10 for the nexus one and they're still trying to root 1.6 on their devices. Other devices are still waiting for an upgrade to 2.1 and we got 2.2 even before the all so called powerful EVO? damn i'm more than happy about that!
People get exited and inquisitive when they see my Nexus One, and those that know about android go bananas when they see 2.2 on it! I love it ...ok bye now have a nice day lol

JHaste said:
hate to burst your bubble of hope but this is the release that we were waiting for... it has the framework for flash to run, JIT is enabled, ect, ect... and it obviously has all of the drivers meant for the N1 since our phones are running it fine...
I dont know why everyone was expecting a 1.6 to 2.0 leap... this is an incremental leap just like 2.0 to 2.1, it has some nice new features and cleaned up a few things but it is not ground breaking... like i said before it really just made the whole android os more efficient and snappier with JIT enabled and yes I can tell a difference on just about any app
this has everything google said it was going to have... not its up to our lovely devs to make it shine! and there might be other little goodies that the devs can now do that they couldnt on 2.1...
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Exactly...the upgrade we REALLLLY are looking forward to is Gingerbread...
one thing I'm def looking forward to is the alleged UI refresh...bring it on.

[Q] Who came from Android and why?

Ive been seriously looking at the WP7 series and I'm curious to hear from real-world users who have been in the same boat as me. I've been an Android person for the past year now and as much as I like Android, I like to keep my options open too!
So tell me - why did YOU switch from Android to WP7 and would you do it again if you had the chance ?

I've been playing with WP7, mostly to see what "the other side" has been up to. I've had WinCE devices going back to the 1.x days, and always loved it, but trying to cram a desktop OS into a hand-held device always seemed awkward.
I got an iPhone and loved it for a couple of years, but got handed a G1 and fell in love with the potential that Android represented. It wasn't quite "there" yet, so I switched back and forth from Android to iOS and back for a good year before settling full-time with Android on my Nexus One.
Now I've got a Nexus-S and I love it, but I was able to play with a WP7 device in the form of the HD7, and I really like it, however...
Coming from Android, Google's services, search, GMail, and Maps, are so much better in ability than Bing, Hotmail, and Bing Maps that I missed my Nexus S. I love the user-interface of WP7, and hope that it evolves a bit more.
WP7's approach to real-time usability is great. Apps are smooth and clean, and much less jerky than Android apps seem to be at times. The OS seems well suited to doing one thing at a time, really well. I wish Android was better at maintaining higher priority for foreground apps, instead of making things choppy with garbage-collection.
If you have a chance to wait until the January (now February) update happens, I would. Things could get much better for WP7 very soon, but who knows? I'm keeping my options open.

the biggest disappointment is in Bing and Zune services. Since their not available in Ireland. The prolonged wait for update kinda adds up too
Though otherwise than that its all ok
I had a HD2 with Android and reason why i sold it because once i played with WP7 i felt that Androids UI was so boring.
Games on WP7 are much better too than Android. Alot of devs from iPhone have hopped aboard.

Anyone else? This is good stuff! Keep it coming!

I still use my android from day to day. They se the best overall in terms of a combination of things such as features and useability. Tho WP7 has a slick UI its missing things like the gmail intergration and Google maps, but it has a music client that's not as good as iTunes. Then there is iOS, its great, easy to use, simple, and reliable, at the end of the day that's what makes IOS sell, just like variety is what makes android sell. For WP7 to catch up they need to release a groundbreaker, something that blows the competition away spec wise. I played with a Samsung WP7 At att the other day while stopping in to see an old friend, windows on a phone has came a long way since WinMo6.5. I will say that. It just depends on what u want at the end of the day
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I think you should check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900747
i move to wp7, because i simple hates its lag and UI..

I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day. I never really had a feeling of satisfaction with Android. Thats the first thing. The second thing is the force closures and the occasional lag (I came from a G2 so it definitely wasn't my device) Android is an awesome platform, however, I still feel like its something Google just slapped together, even if thats not the case. the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one. Im not saying WP7 is perfect because its far from that. BUT i love the consistency throughout the platform, even when you download apps from the market, most of them seem to follow that metro UI interface. the fact that its customization is limited to tile placement and color gives me a sense of satisfaction knowing that there is no other way you could have it, which means less time trying to get it the way you want it. I also love the smoothness as well. the fact that it does not support multi tasking has yet to bother me as I never really do more than one thing on my phone anyway. I am, however, frustrated with the lack of copy/paste (which will be fixed soon) and lets not forget the dreadful marketplace which locks up randomly causing users to reboot. I also am disappointed in Bing maps. i would much rather prefer to use Google maps. its just easier. The only thing i can truly say i miss from Android is the WIFI calling. I spend most of my time in my basement. I hardly get signal except for one corner. at the end of the day, i am happier with WP7 because of its simplicity, performance, and ease of use as well as its "polished" feel.

Nissan350 said:
I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day.
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I'm glad I am not the only one who actually finds that Android is TOO customizable. I find myself spending hours each day fiddling with it!

JWhipple said:
I'm glad I am not the only one who actually finds that Android is TOO customizable. I find myself spending hours each day fiddling with it!
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Lol, I'm glad you can see where I'm coming from

irispen said:
I think you should check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900747
i move to wp7, because i simple hates its lag and UI..
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me same like u.been use nexus one for a year.tired about android.but maybe will switch back to android again who know..

Nissan350 said:
...the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one...
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Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.
Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.
I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.
While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.
Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about.

Truer Words.

Sean D. said:
Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.
Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.
I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.
While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.
Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about.
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Good points. I'm very happy with WP7 and it feels great to be off Android. The platform is still in its infancy and there is not a doubt in my mind that it will evolve and become even better than it already is. Of course, the evolution would just be added pluses.

Nissan350 said:
I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day. I never really had a feeling of satisfaction with Android. Thats the first thing. The second thing is the force closures and the occasional lag (I came from a G2 so it definitely wasn't my device) Android is an awesome platform, however, I still feel like its something Google just slapped together, even if thats not the case. the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one. Im not saying WP7 is perfect because its far from that. BUT i love the consistency throughout the platform, even when you download apps from the market, most of them seem to follow that metro UI interface. the fact that its customization is limited to tile placement and color gives me a sense of satisfaction knowing that there is no other way you could have it, which means less time trying to get it the way you want it. I also love the smoothness as well. the fact that it does not support multi tasking has yet to bother me as I never really do more than one thing on my phone anyway. I am, however, frustrated with the lack of copy/paste (which will be fixed soon) and lets not forget the dreadful marketplace which locks up randomly causing users to reboot. I also am disappointed in Bing maps. i would much rather prefer to use Google maps. its just easier. The only thing i can truly say i miss from Android is the WIFI calling. I spend most of my time in my basement. I hardly get signal except for one corner. at the end of the day, i am happier with WP7 because of its simplicity, performance, and ease of use as well as its "polished" feel.
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couldnt have said it better myself
what ticked me off about android was the overall inconsistancy in both looks and performance, and until now that i own a wp7 device, i never understood by what ios and webos users said when they called it "clunky". now if i see what i saw in the honeycomb demo come in some way or form to smartphones (awesome graphical interface, ease of multitasking, and overall polish and consistantcy) i will come back in no time. but untill then, thanks to the mess that is software updates for android. the only one i would consider is a nexus device, and i dont plan on jumping through hoops to get one till i see the update and basic overhaul it needs. im perfectly happy with my hd7

JWhipple said:
Ive been seriously looking at the WP7 series and I'm curious to hear from real-world users who have been in the same boat as me. I've been an Android person for the past year now and as much as I like Android, I like to keep my options open too!
So tell me - why did YOU switch from Android to WP7 and would you do it again if you had the chance ?
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Been using Android for almost a year now..through work I'm getting newer Android and newer WP7 devices. It started with the Desire Z (G2) and the LG Optimus Quantum.
I don't care how pretty your OS is, there's no love for that phone. It's a piece of crap regular phone loaded with a smartphone OS. Absolute trash, my SIM sat in it for a day, and sadly because of the lack of usability on the device (size, build, LG..) I couldn't give WP7 a fair chance.
However, recently got the HD7 and a certain dual core device, and I can't make a decision. I personally love customization, so Android is literally endless and fresh to me. However, I'm a huge Hotmail supporter (GMail isn't that great, there's a reason Hotmail is still number 1 webmail worldwide..) and firmly believe the Email application built into WP7 (the Hotmail one) looks better, works better, and - for me - is better than the GMail app ever will be. It looks slick, it works well, it's pretty, etc.
With the HD7, it's actually a device that can showboat the features of the OS - however, there's only like..two. Office, and these boring tiles. Yes, it's simple, yes, it's easy, if I wanted that, I'd use a laptop and a normal phone. I want complicated, I want to be able to do everything, which is why I still use Android. At the same time, there's something refreshing about WP7 and the simplicity, but I find entirely too often I go to do something, grab the HD7, find it's not available or built in, sigh, and pull out my Android device.
Another huge slam on WP7 is this micro SD bull****. I can drag and drop anything on any Android device, you're telling me it's that hard to let people use external storage?
No, because I use a Macbook (primary booting OS X) with W7, I'm forced to use W7 because there's one incredibly ****ty option for Mac syncing. I'd rather have a cluttered ass SD card with dragged files than EVER use WMP as my "media hub" or whatever. I don't use iPhoto. I use iTunes for organization, but that's it. However, if I want ANYTHING on my WP7 device, I'm forced to use these stupid Apple applications (and a beta app from Microsoft) I deleted because of massive bloat just to transfer stuff? Ridiculous. Build a frigging mount into it or let us use SD cards.
Sorry. That's a massive, massive frustration for me.
Anyways, that's my take. Android and WP7 are not on the same level. I see WP7 as a high end regular phone, and Android as an actual smartphone. I'm sure this opinion could change depending on the expansion of the OS and the Marketplace, but right now, the OS is way too young and has a serious "polished, but unfinished" feel to it. WP7 could be good and I could use it regularly..in a few years. Not now. I'm going to continue giving WP7 a try, as there are things that are impressing me.
For example, Bing Maps is definitely not as feature rich as Google Maps, but holy hell does it lock well. GMaps is only good if you can get a damn GPS lock, and people can say "oh, it's usually fine" but after a year I have to yet to see the GPS work nearly as well in any ROM or OS on Android compared to WP7, so props to them for getting that right. The Email is really nice (as a consistent Hotmail user) texting is pretty bland, the Contacts or People or whatever is totally convoluted and unnecessary, I don't know how they managed to complicate something so simple. If I wanted to see facebook, I'd open it. I just want my damn contact list. Android has perfected this as far as I'm concerned, as it's "Person --- Phone button to call" and that's all there needs to be. You can click their contact card to get more information if need be.
The marketplace needs some work, definitely needs more sections like the Android Market (Communications - Free / Paid, Whatever - Free / Paid) as opposed to just Free EVERYTHING, or mixed paid / free in sections. I definitely don't think the Android Market is perfect, but it's definitely more usable than the Windows Marketplace.
Hmm.. Internet Explorer is really nice, it works surprisingly well for a browser I haven't even looked at in almost 10 years. I was pleasantly surprised, I was dreading that I couldn't use anything else, but Microsoft did a great job. It looks nice, it's not exactly feature rich, but it's snappy, clean, and responsive.
The music / videos app is alright, nothing special but not definitely usable and looks good.
The fact that MSN Messenger was NOT included in the OS completely deadpanned me, how the hell do you forget what was at one point your bread and butter? It would literally be like Google forgetting GTalk, it wouldn't happen. I don't like the MSN application that is available has to resume every time the phone sleeps, waste of a good 10 seconds. Facebook works fine.. Phone is fine, the simplicity gets in the way of speakerphone and stuff if you forget what little tab they're under, but whatever, it works.
Calendar is GREAT, I love the way it's set up, it looks really good.
Microsoft Office is amazing...works really well.
I think I covered everything? I know I kind of went off in some areas, but just my opinions..
Oh, I miss having an actual wallpaper. I don't care if I couldn't see 90% of it, better than just black. Maybe I have a special someone I'd like to see as my wallpaper for more than the half a second it takes me to unlock my phone. Oh well.

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No, because I use a Macbook (primary booting OS X) with W7, I'm forced to use W7 because there's one incredibly ****ty option for Mac syncing. I'd rather have a cluttered ass SD card with dragged files than EVER use WMP as my "media hub" or whatever. I don't use iPhoto. I use iTunes for organization, but that's it. However, if I want ANYTHING on my WP7 device, I'm forced to use these stupid Apple applications (and a beta app from Microsoft) I deleted because of massive bloat just to transfer stuff? Ridiculous. Build a frigging mount into it or let us use SD cards.
Sorry. That's a massive, massive frustration for me.
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Zune works well for media once you get the hang of it, and since you like your Live account so much, utilize the SkyDrive feature for cloud storage of documents. This second comment on this thread is a great idea for how to quickly access it...
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/56adcec6-08ce-4d86-aa67-27dda1433fa0
Yes, access to the SD card would be nice. I suppose they're looking to cut down on support calls?

Android is not a phone; its a geeky toy
I bought an HTC Desire in August 2009. My HTC TyTN had just died and I couldn't wait for the late release of WP7. Android was such a disappointment. Market was unavailable in Sweden (it is open now), the UI looked disgustingly ugly and the whole experience was so much lower than descent. The only thing I really loved about Android was the notification system. I also have an iPhone so Android's notification system seemed totally like a blessing. Nevertheless Android just felt like another Google experiment. A geeky toy for Google lovers. I'm not a Google lover. Not because their products are so bad; They are bad, but I could forgive that. What I can't stand in Google is their daily bragging about their coolness all over the web while their products are actually years behind what they could really be had they cared about anything else than selling ads and hooking people onto their so called platform(s). So if I am to make a compromise on a product I am really more willing to compromise for Microsoft. Unlike newcomers like Google, Microsoft has proven over the years that they do have a vision about software and they do work on it. Google has no vision about the web other than dominance. They have a vision about advertising. My "vision" about advertising is that it is an old solution to an old problem which I'm not so sure will even exist for long in the so called "new economy". So I just sold my HTC Desire and bought an HTC HD7. I know that I will miss the WiFi tethering of my HTC Desire. Hopefully not for long. Like I said I can make a compromise for Microsoft but find it pointless to make a compromise for Google.

Android just felt cluttered to me. Yes, you can customize it as much as you want but personally I dislike the mess of widgets and icons. I was never happy with my home pages.
My phone doubles as my MP3 player and the WP7 audio playback is much better because of the HD7's sound enhancer. The sound equalizer I had on Android would only work on MP3s, not on other file types.
Pinch to zoom to WP7 is really really really good. Also the GPS on my HD7 finds my position significantly faster than my Android phone (would take several minutes to lock on). Bing maps really isn't bad so I don't know what the fuss is about. Sure there's no voice navigation, but I never used it when I had Android anyway.
Anyway my main reason for switching was that I hated being left behind while new phones are released with updates. Literally the way to upgrade with Android is to buy a new phone or root the phone. Problem with rooting is that each ROM has it's own little quirks and I didn't want to sacrifice functionality just to see a higher build number. IMO if you have to root in order to have the phone "work" then you're doing it wrong.
I do miss some things like the control panel and swype, but that's about it. So far so good.

I think from most of the posts above we can agree that WP7 is a clean functional minimal UI. And once the update comes in it will be one to brag about

ex-android user
I love android, and I still own several Android Devices, and I've been using android since the G1. Android (like many have said before me) reminds me a lot of Windows Mobile (and I loved windows mobile).
Why I made the switch:
Well, not to offend anyone, but WP7 seems to be a more mature OS, not in terms of functionality, but in terms of it's minimalist approach.
It's like comparing:
A tricked out Honda: http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/honda/tricked-out-honda.jpg
and a Cadillac CTS-V Coupe: http://photos.leftlanenews.com/phot...mbnailsnew/me-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-09_620.jpg
It's probably faster, and more elegant, but less flashy, and less customizable.
Ultimately it's a matter of preference, personally I'd chose the Caddy

Rooted palm pre vs Rooted Hero

Had a question for those who used to own Palm pres and rooted them.
As of now how would you compare the Palm Pre (rooted of course) to that of a rooted Hero (say mine, AOSP 2.3.3)
Does the palm offer anything better than the hero does. Just wondering because a guy on C-list is selling his palm for cheap and was wondering if it would be worth the time to maybe switch up phones.
If i'm in the wrong thread sorry, if this offends people because its not directly a Android HeroC question, sorry again. Just wanted to ask

i have no first hand knowledge..but better? perhaps the cpu and the ability to use a touchstone..and a slide out portrait keyboard, which i do know a lot of people that liked that design.
what's not better? probably development for webOS as compared to Android...i'd imagine you can still find more WinMo 6.5 apps than you can webOS, as I never see anyone with Pres or Pixis. Everyone owns Android phones and iphones.
just my $.02

The palm is way smoother and faster, once you overclock it. I'm running screenstate 500/800 and its great. Battery life is pretty good too. Beyond that, I prefer android. There are way more and better apps. Also, tethering on the pre is harder to achieve and is a much slower connection, fwiw. Could be because I haven't figured out how to update radio/profile/prl on the pre.
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Good to know
Thanks for the response. Reason i'm asking is i'd just like a change of phone for now and i'd rather not do a true upgrade, but instead maybe move to a phone that was what i was trying to decide on when i first got my upgrade last year.
Again thanks for the responses.

kevphan08 said:
Thanks for the response. Reason i'm asking is i'd just like a change of phone for now and i'd rather not do a true upgrade, but instead maybe move to a phone that was what i was trying to decide on when i first got my upgrade last year.
Again thanks for the responses.
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Be careful though, activating an "old" phone is considered an "upgrade" to Sprint, so they will charge you the new $10 premium data charge that comes with activating a smartphone.
From my Gingerbread Hero.

Nsandhu23 said:
Be careful though, activating an "old" phone is considered an "upgrade" to Sprint, so they will charge you the new $10 premium data charge that comes with activating a smartphone.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
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don't that just suck! did it to me when switching to a used hero from a hero!

man i wish we wouldve got that webos port to work awhile back until sandix or whatever that douchebags name was ruined it for everybody, that wouldve have been the coolest thing ever.

The Hero is a great phone ONCE it is rooted. If you don't have the Hero rooted it's basically a pile of crap. I'd pick the Hero(rooted) over a palm pre(rooted) any day.
And with AOSP developing an incredible rom for the Hero, it's a nobrainer.

Nice input guys
Yeah for clarification I do have a rooted hero (aosp 2.3.3) its just i'd like something thats more integrated. I liked, when looking at the pre before, how it integrated all my contacts honestly a lot better. I like having my google account synced to everything, but I've had times where switching roms and stuff i lose important contacts and it sucks.
Just trying to find a different scenery i guess since sprints pretty much put hero's in the dump.
Also as a little note i hate how we're so limited with our phones. Can't play really any games, barely any ROMs that I'd like to try but cant because of our hardware, etc...
Anyways i'm rambling... Take it easy guys

kevphan08 said:
Yeah for clarification I do have a rooted hero (aosp 2.3.3) its just i'd like something thats more integrated. I liked, when looking at the pre before, how it integrated all my contacts honestly a lot better. I like having my google account synced to everything, but I've had times where switching roms and stuff i lose important contacts and it sucks.
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You're not going to get this answer from many people, but the best, most stable firmware in terms of integration is the stock, up-to-date firmware (all OTA updates installed). There were issues when the Hero first received 2.1, but that was almost a year ago. They have released several OTA updates since then, and as far as I know they ironed out any major outstanding issues.
Sure, it's not the latest and greatest, but it's stable. And HTC Sense does have good integration features. I switch back to it from time to time, and the only thing that really disappoints me about it is not being able to download the latest versions of every app due to API differences. But all intended features work as designed, including making phone calls. And there are Sense features that still haven't made their way into other ROM images or apps.