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HTC TyTN II Product Sheet on HTCClub.net

On the website HTCClub.net they have the product sheet for the HTC TyTN II a.k.a. HTC Kaiser a.k.a. HTC P4550.
Source: HTCClub.net

So, something interesting that I am noticing here. Since I am in the US, I am concerned about whether or not this thing will work on 3G here.
I go to www.mobileplanet.com and look at the coming soon devices and find the TytnII listed:
http://www.mobileplanet.com/d.aspx?i=151727
Click on the description, then go to the bottom left column and you'll see:
"This phone has the 2100 UMTS UK version and not the 1900 UMTS US version network."
Now, I look at the spec sheet posted above and see that the HSDPA freq. that this phone will use are 850, 1900, and 2100. This is the same as the 7501 where the 2100 is for Europe and the 850/1900 is for the US.
Additionally, if you look on their product page details on mobileplanet, you see "UMTS (tri-band, 850/1900/2100 MHz)" listed under features. So, again looks like US compatibility.
Anyone who has been testing this unit in the US find that it has the selectable freq. and has it working on Cingular/ATT?
-Loc

Did you save the sheet onto your hard drive? They removed the sheets from the site.
*EDIT* I've been asked by HTC to remove the product sheet until the press launch of the HTC TyTN II, as soon as the device has been launched the sheet will be placed back online*
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Locarian said:
So, something interesting that I am noticing here. Since I am in the US, I am concerned about whether or not this thing will work on 3G here.
I go to www.mobileplanet.com and look at the coming soon devices and find the TytnII listed:
http://www.mobileplanet.com/d.aspx?i=151727
Click on the description, then go to the bottom left column and you'll see:
"This phone has the 2100 UMTS UK version and not the 1900 UMTS US version network."
Now, I look at the spec sheet posted above and see that the HSDPA freq. that this phone will use are 850, 1900, and 2100. This is the same as the 7501 where the 2100 is for Europe and the 850/1900 is for the US.
Additionally, if you look on their product page details on mobileplanet, you see "UMTS (tri-band, 850/1900/2100 MHz)" listed under features. So, again looks like US compatibility.
Anyone who has been testing this unit in the US find that it has the selectable freq. and has it working on Cingular/ATT?
-Loc
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This phone is being released by US AT&T.. so I would think it works with ATT's network.
Why would ATT release a phone that can only be used in the UK?
Yes, it does have 3g in the US. The phone will house the same hardware regardless of where it's released.

Locarian said:
So, something interesting that I am noticing here. Since I am in the US, I am concerned about whether or not this thing will work on 3G here.
I go to www.mobileplanet.com and look at the coming soon devices and find the TytnII listed:
http://www.mobileplanet.com/d.aspx?i=151727
Click on the description, then go to the bottom left column and you'll see:
"This phone has the 2100 UMTS UK version and not the 1900 UMTS US version network."
Now, I look at the spec sheet posted above and see that the HSDPA freq. that this phone will use are 850, 1900, and 2100. This is the same as the 7501 where the 2100 is for Europe and the 850/1900 is for the US.
Additionally, if you look on their product page details on mobileplanet, you see "UMTS (tri-band, 850/1900/2100 MHz)" listed under features. So, again looks like US compatibility.
Anyone who has been testing this unit in the US find that it has the selectable freq. and has it working on Cingular/ATT?
-Loc
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I personally emailed them before I ordered one ( YEEE HAWWW !! )
and they assured me that it will work in North America and that they were supposed to take that info down ... and they did ( 2 days ago )

UnicornKaz said:
I personally emailed them before I ordered one ( YEEE HAWWW !! )
and they assured me that it will work in North America and that they were supposed to take that info down ... and they did ( 2 days ago )
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The link to the sheet is there again as HTC already announced the device
http://www.htcclub.net/storage/downloads/HTC_TyTNII-productsheet_1MB.pdf

Any news on tri-band UMTS Diamond?

I am dreaming of getting the one which supports UMTS 850/1900/2100 bands.
Any news?

Nobody know it? So sad...

There is no such thing as a tri-band UMTS Diamond, all are just dual band. 850/1900 for the US Version, 850/2100 for the Australia version, and 900/2100 for the European version.

I thought I read somewhere that there is an Australian version of the Touch Diamond 120 (100 for Europe/Asia, 110 for NAM) that supports dual-band UMTS 850/2100, which should let 3G work on any continent. If someone actually has this model or can confirm, that would be great.
EDIT: Whoops, guess the guy above me posted a little faster Anyone know if an online retailer has the AUS model on sale?

Well it wouldn't work in any place that requires 900, it also wouldn't work on AT&T in certain 1900-only 3G zones. I don't know what market uses what frequency for AT&T, so I really couldn't tell you if your area will work with the 850/2100 Diamond or not.
Edit: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HTC-Touch-Di...yZ161651QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Go to ebay.com.au and search... 650 AUD = 544 USD, for perspective
I'm assuming that's the Australian version... But PM every seller before buying to confirm

in my diam100 with italian official rom I have this:
is it normal?

Yessuh, all Diamonds have it, but it doesn't work. It doesn't reflect the hardware in the device at all, standard to all devices.

T-Mobile 3G Los Angeles Oct. 23rd launch

So good news for all Diamond euro owners in LA (and other places of course)...the tmobile network supports the 2100mhz band for 3G so no need for a US version!!
http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm23715.htm#7
Sorry if this is old news, but i just realized it =)

this is great if true?
T-Mobile devices use the 1700Mhz/2100Mhz frequency band (for 3G) and I thought Europe 3G devices use 900Mhz/2100Mhz. Could U clarify further...

you said it correct...tmobile does use 1700mhz/2100mhz, and the euro diamond supports 2100mhz which should work since tmobile will be using it...i spoke to a tmobile tier 2 rep, he confirmed it as well...

That can't be right. T-Mobile AWS 3G uses the 1700 MHz band for uplink and 2100 MHz for downlink. I doubt T-Mobile US set up aside any channels in the 2100 MHz band as uplink channels.
It's kind of academic, as I can't get 3G on T-Mobile USA using a Euro Diamond in NYC, where we've had 3G deployed for a few months now. I've never heard of anyone else doing it either. Oddly, there's a "UMTS(1700)" selection in the band settings in the phone control panel, but if I try selecting that, it just jumps back to using T-Mobile's normal PCS band with EDGE for data.
If that tier 2 tech can get you onto AWS 3G with your Diamond, definitely let us all know about it, but don't get your hopes up too high.

Drachen said:
That can't be right. T-Mobile AWS 3G uses the 1700 MHz band for uplink and 2100 MHz for downlink. I doubt T-Mobile US set up aside any channels in the 2100 MHz band as uplink channels.
It's kind of academic, as I can't get 3G on T-Mobile USA using a Euro Diamond in NYC, where we've had 3G deployed for a few months now. I've never heard of anyone else doing it either. Oddly, there's a "UMTS(1700)" selection in the band settings in the phone control panel, but if I try selecting that, it just jumps back to using T-Mobile's normal PCS band with EDGE for data.
If that tier 2 tech can get you onto AWS 3G with your Diamond, definitely let us all know about it, but don't get your hopes up too high.
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AWS?? well the tier 2 tech did say it...i dont know if he was just talking out of his ass or not...but we'll see in the coming weeks...ill try to get tmobile rep on the phone again to ask them how i can get it...or if i can, even though its supported..

Malik05 said:
AWS?? well the tier 2 tech did say it...i dont know if he was just talking out of his ass or not...but we'll see in the coming weeks...ill try to get tmobile rep on the phone again to ask them how i can get it...or if i can, even though its supported..
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As I understand it, if a phone says it supports 2100 it is referring to the UMTS Band 1 used in Europe which is 1920-1980MHz Uplink & 2110-2170Mhz Downlink (see UMTS Frequency Bands - Wikipedia). The 1700AWS Band (UMTS Band 4) uses 1710-1755MHz Uplink and 2110-2155MHz Downlink. So, while they do overlap some they are not identical (A Visual Guide to AWS - PhoneScoop)
So, I don't believe that a phone with 2100 EU support will work with T-Mobile 3G because it doesn't support the 'right' 2100 nor the 1700. Likewise, I don't believe that a phone with 1700 support will work for 2100 EU.

If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.

RavenGirl said:
If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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Do you know who this user is? maybe i can PM him and get some details...i knew i wasn't going to get 3G with the diamond, but after talking to the rep. i kind of want to look into it more since there may be a possibility.

RavenGirl said:
If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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Honestly I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on him for that, I've never heard of anyone getting T-Mobile 3G and I know quite a few people with the Diamond/Raphael on T-Mobile in 3G areas.

wpsantennas said:
As I understand it, if a phone says it supports 2100 it is referring to the UMTS Band 1 used in Europe which is 1920-1980MHz Uplink & 2110-2170Mhz Downlink (see UMTS Frequency Bands - Wikipedia). The 1700AWS Band (UMTS Band 4) uses 1710-1755MHz Uplink and 2110-2155MHz Downlink. So, while they do overlap some they are not identical (A Visual Guide to AWS - PhoneScoop)
So, I don't believe that a phone with 2100 EU support will work with T-Mobile 3G because it doesn't support the 'right' 2100 nor the 1700. Likewise, I don't believe that a phone with 1700 support will work for 2100 EU.
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I have the USA sold "quad band" euro diamond distributed by htc USA. This is essentially re-flashed euro diamond hardware sold to support american networks, not the 850/1900 newest USA 3G diamond compatable with AT&T. I have looked into this issue and also talked to T-mobile and there seems to be alot of confusion regarding T-mobile's AWS USA 3G network (or maybe they have simply confused me). Here is what I have found out: Assuming they are correct, they are telling me 3G voice for T-mobile usa runs in both the 1700 AND 1900 mhz band, and therefore my euro diamond shoud be supported at 1900mhz for voice 3g support. This 1900mhz is part of the "quad band" voice radio hardware on the euro diamond. Data (AWS 3G for USA) "HSDPA" , which T-mobile has not yet released, runs in the 2100mhz bandwidth, and Data AWS "HSUPA 3g" runs in the 1700mhz bandwidth. Therefore my hardware would not support HSUPA @ 1700mhz, but would support the HSDPA @ 2100mhz. As to the idea that euro bandwidths are different than USA bandwidths, well apparently they are. For example "2100mhz" networks in europe might be actually using 2110mhz-2170mhz, whereas in the USA T-mobile's network may use 2100-2140mhz actual bands. However because these are close and still in the 2100mhz band, there should still be compatability with 2100mhz hardware radios regardless of networks varying the bandwidth slightly.
Of course this may be too optimistic, but it would be very cool if true and I am hoping for the best .

sureloch said:
I have the USA sold "quad band" euro diamond distributed by htc USA. This is essentially re-flashed euro diamond hardware sold to support american networks, not the 850/1900 newest USA 3G diamond compatable with AT&T. I have looked into this issue and also talked to T-mobile and there seems to be alot of confusion regarding T-mobile's AWS USA 3G network (or maybe they have simply confused me). Here is what I have found out: Assuming they are correct, they are telling me 3G voice for T-mobile usa runs in both the 1700 AND 1900 mhz band, and therefore my euro diamond shoud be supported at 1900mhz for voice 3g support. This 1900mhz is part of the "quad band" voice radio hardware on the euro diamond. Data (AWS 3G for USA) "HSDPA" , which T-mobile has not yet released, runs in the 2100mhz bandwidth, and Data AWS "HSUPA 3g" runs in the 1700mhz bandwidth. Therefore my hardware would not support HSUPA @ 1700mhz, but would support the HSDPA @ 2100mhz. As to the idea that euro bandwidths are different than USA bandwidths, well apparently they are. For example "2100mhz" networks in europe might be actually using 2110mhz-2170mhz, whereas in the USA T-mobile's network may use 2100-2140mhz actual bands. However because these are close and still in the 2100mhz band, there should still be compatability with 2100mhz hardware radios regardless of networks varying the bandwidth slightly.
Of course this may be too optimistic, but it would be very cool if true and I am hoping for the best .
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Unfortunately, they've provided you some bad information. Each frequency band/range has a pair of uplink and downlink frequencies - you can't use one without the other - you have to use both. Generally, the uplink and downlink frequencies are relatively close to each other however, the 1700 AWS band has uplink and downlink spread quite a distance apart. Uplink is in the 1700MHz range, downlink is in the 2100MHz range and both have to be used. In the US, 1700 & 2100 is essentially one band.
1900MHz (the PCS band) isn't 3G for T-Mobile (although they technically could put it there at some point.) Right now, 1900MHz for T-Mobile is EDGE voice and data. Most other carriers do have 3G on the 1900MHz band, T-Mobile just doesn't have enough spectrum available in that band.
In short: A phone that supports UMTS 2100 will not work for T-Mobile US 3G. A phone that supports AWS/UMTS 1700 will work for T-Mobile US 3G but not for European 2100 3G. (And 1900MHz PCS will give you traditional EDGE on T-Mobile US.)

Malik05 said:
Do you know who this user is? maybe i can PM him and get some details...i knew i wasn't going to get 3G with the diamond, but after talking to the rep. i kind of want to look into it more since there may be a possibility.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427755
post 3, ll
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2610960#post2610960

[Q] Bad ESN's and frequencies in Australia

Hi guys,
I've had a look around and can't really find much info on bad ESN's. Most of the questions are resolved with a -"find a carrier who will reflash your phone". The phone I'm looking at is from someone who didn't pay their phone bill. If I import this phone over to Australia - what will a bad ESN do? I'm planning to buy a pre paid SIM card over here, and I'd like to put a basic Gingerbread rom on it.
I can see that a bad ESN means you wouldn't be able to use the phone on the network it was sold on, but if you unlock the phone doesn't that mean you can put on whatever carrier you'd like?
Are there any issues with doing this?
The next part of my question is about the Vibrant. From the info I've found this...
Will My SGH-t959 (Vibrant) Phone Work In Other Countries And How Do I Unlock It?
The SGH-t959 is a quad band dual mode handset. It supports GSM frequencies of 850, 900, 1800, & 1900. It supports UMTS 1700, 1900, and 2100 frequencies. There is a possibility the phone may be used with a wireless operator outside the United States however this is not guranteed. The phone has been optimized to work on the intended carrier it was designed for.
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From what wikipedia says on Vodafone (in Oz,)
The GSM mobile service on 900 MHz and 1800 MHz covers 94.52% of the country. The 3G 2100 MHz UMTS network is available in metro areas of major cities and some larger regional centres covering 80% of the population. Expansion of the 3G UMTS network using 900 MHz to equal or surpass the GSM coverage is due to be completed by 31 August 2009 [1] [2].
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Will this work here? It's seems like it should? (I'm in Melbourne) I'd like the 3g to work for the internet etc.
Thanks guys.

Beumpp....

I can't guarantee it but technically according to the site below, it should work:
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Vibrant_id4747
UMTS[3G] frequencies: 1700/2100, 2100
Optus, vodafone and three use 2100 and 900

[Q] What LTE frequency bands does Softbank support?

Softbank does not say on their website. I know they support 2100mhz but the HTC One does not. I have seen many rumours but nothing concrete. Planning to buy from Expansys who have the fun clause of not taking a device back if it does not work due to incompatible LTE band.

puckman said:
Softbank does not say on their website. I know they support 2100mhz but the HTC One does not. I have seen many rumours but nothing concrete. Planning to buy from Expansys who have the fun clause of not taking a device back if it does not work due to incompatible LTE band.
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Wireless Technology - M7_UL
4G-LTE
Bands 2, 4, 5 and 17
4G
HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
UMTS/HSPA+
850/1900/2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900MHz

Checking Wikipedia here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
Tells me that would be 1900, 1700, 850 and 700? That means I can't buy the HTC One Asia edition as it only supports 4G/LTE: 1800/2600 MHz
Darn, that sucks as the HTC One from Hong Kong and Japan is MUCH cheaper than the UK version. Do you have a source for that info?
Also thanks, you saved me wasting close to 400 quid. Guess I am stuck with my second choice, the Nexus 5 which supports LTE: Bands: 1/3/5/7/8/20
One thing that does confuse me. The link above also has a region part where it has a big fat yes for 2600 but does not go into detail which parts of Asia. Have to say that the whole LTE thing is complicated.
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Wireless Technology - M7_UL
4G-LTE
Bands 2, 4, 5 and 17
4G
HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
UMTS/HSPA+
850/1900/2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900MHz
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puckman said:
Checking Wikipedia here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
Tells me that would be 1900, 1700, 850 and 700? That means I can't buy the HTC One Asia edition as it only supports 4G/LTE: 1800/2600 MHz
Darn, that sucks as the HTC One from Hong Kong and Japan is MUCH cheaper than the UK version. Do you have a source for that info?
Also thanks, you saved me wasting close to 400 quid. Guess I am stuck with my second choice, the Nexus 5 which supports LTE: Bands: 1/3/5/7/8/20
One thing that does confuse me. The link above also has a region part where it has a big fat yes for 2600 but does not go into detail which parts of Asia. Have to say that the whole LTE thing is complicated.
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The info come from the AT&T page
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/htc/one-32gb-glacial-silver.html#fbid=Owyl9EzE03C

clsA said:
The info come from the AT&T page
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/htc/one-32gb-glacial-silver.html#fbid=Owyl9EzE03C
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Ah, thats the LTE bands for the American HTC One. The info I am after is what LTE bands does the Japanese Softbank carrier support.