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Hi there,
I was wondering if anyone here with a Himalaya had managed to get the My Location feature (beta) on Google Maps Mobile to work.
For those who haven't seen it, it is a poor man's GPS. It finds your location basically by calculating the distance to the nearest cell towers. It isn't greatly accurate (usually about a 10 block radius) but it would be yet another cool feature that would keep our Himalayas alive
So, anyone tested, had any luck?
I have had no luck with mine (Sydney, Australia).
When you go to the help/about page, it says "Myl: N/A". Apparently it means I am not receiving cell broadcasts, though I have Channel 050 switched on. Apparently it means we don't have the correct API or something?
Discuss!
I could not get "my location" to work over bluetooth (using bluetooth as a network connection, and having the phone on). It seems like it should work over GPRS, but as I don't have any data connection, I can't test it.
Are you using a AKU7 ROM? The older WM6 Hima ROMs had a GPRS issue
Hi again,
I don't think I am using AKU7. I am using the first WM6 Tofclock Rom that came out. GPRS seems to work ok on it (haven't done much testing due to data plan, but I know it works).
I'm still researching, and will get back with what I find.
Thanks for peoples help in trying to get this program "My Location in Google Maps Mobile" working for everyone. If anyone wants to offer knowledge or assistance (or trial possible solutions on their phone), feel free, it will be much appreicated.
It seems the problem has something to do with the RIL API (did Microsoft ever release it?)
To quote someone else:
Some windows mobile phones are working. Its likely that google is using the RIL api to get the cell tower info, as this is abstracted
from the phone hardware, and they don't need to make a device specific implementation.
A lot of WM smartphones don't work, this seems to be because the RIL API requires that the app be signed with a trusted cert, or the phone be adjusted to not require trusted certs to use the RIL API.
This appears to work for some Java based phones, and here google is probably using the requisite Java APIs, where implemented to obtain the cell ID.
Java phones where this is not working probably do not have the requisite APIs implemented.
SO here are a few questions:
1. Is the RIL on the Himalaya the HTC RIL or the MS RIL? If so, is it the full RIL? (I know HTC used a cut down version for a while and stopped using it after the HTC Universal)
2. Does it come with the trusted certificate (as it is a privileged API)?
3. Would it be possible to run the java version on our phones using the java midlet? Would this come with the proper java location api?
Thanks for any assistance anyone can provide, I'm going back to researching it now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=226505&highlight=radio+interface+layer
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=rilgsm.dll
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RIL
I am currently researching the above three pages trying to wrap my head around stuff.
The My Location feature of Google Maps Mobile has now been tested and works on a relatives Imate JasJam (with a WM6 ROM) in Sydney, Australia. It worked well in Central Sydney, though sporatically in the West Ryde area, and hardly at all on the Central Coast. More than likely due to it swapping between 3G and GSM.
Still trying to get it working on a Himalaya. Any clues?
Has anybody else tested this program? I am trying to see if maybe different radios/Roms will work.... If you have, please detail which WM and which radio you are using. Cheers.
nope not working here too. maps etc loading fine but it says the my location feature is temporarily not available.
hi guys,
have you any advice ... my radio 1.14 wm6.1 rel.19.199 and cannot use my location.gprs working fine.operaator O2 czech rep.
it seems be problem with radio..which version should befine?
thanks a lot!
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som.localhost said:
hi guys,
have you any advice ... my radio 1.14 wm6.1 rel.19.199 and cannot use my location.gprs working fine.operaator O2 czech rep.
it seems be problem with radio..which version should befine?
thanks a lot!
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guys please ...
I have had my AT&T Tilt for about a month now. I would like to use it as a GPS also, but i do not want to pay the monthly fee for a data package. What are my options? Can I buy some software? What all does it take to make it work?
There are a number of GPS software packages available: visit www.gpspassion.com for info, reviews, etc. & buy at www.semsons.com or www.buygpsnow.com.
I use Route 66 on my Tytn II, but TomTom version 6 is also very good, and is probably the most popular solution.
there are new ones coming out daily.
yeah TT6 is probably the most popular.
iguidance will text2speech and tell you the street name. Tomtom wont. they both do about the same functionality. iguidance uses more accurate streets. Tomtom has bigger buttons.
that's my $0.02
Am I looking at this right. The software packages are $100 plus?
yup. that's about right
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Am I looking at this right. The software packages are $100 plus?
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Right, and worth every penny. They work even when there is no phone service available, very usefull.
tomtom is nice but i like igo more even though it lags a lot more for some reason tomtom is flawless with no lagging.
These programs work with the factory tilt ROM from AT&T? I tried using Windows Live search GPS on the Tilt and it did not work. I tried it on a floor model.
I also tried WLS on a Moto Q Global that I had for 2 days and WLS did not find my GPS either.
I want to get a tilt but I want GPS with WLS and others as well. Would a ROM flash fix this? I was looking at the Sleuth ROM.
I want to know before I try to get one.
I've been running TT6 on my Tilt (stock AT&T rom) since the first week I had the device and it's been fine.
I'm really happy with TT6 as a purchase but I do wish I could plan a route on my PC and then upload it to my phone. I've found TomTom Home (the PC client) to be pretty much usless so far.
Did Windows Live Search work for you? Just curious if it was the floor model that was the issue. I still really want the device even though I have an 8525.
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Did Windows Live Search work for you? Just curious if it was the floor model that was the issue. I still really want the device even though I have an 8525.
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Did you consider the possibility that it didn't work because you were in the store and had no visibility of the sky?? Please tell me you weren't in a shopping mall somewhere trying to do this.
I've tried almost every GPS app out there and every one of them has worked except for Map4PDA. Avoid it like the plague. It will kill your GPS.
You really should try searching the forums. You will find a lot more info. There are TONS of GPS related threads.
I dont think (m)any Kaiser users use or would want to use live search. it's dependent on a signal. Tomtom can be used anywhere on the planet.
to answer your question, try searching http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346501&highlight=live
The store was a small single building. Google maps worked indoor. Anyways thanks for the info. When I get a Tilt I am going to try out TomTom.
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The store was a small single building. Google maps worked indoor. Anyways thanks for the info. When I get a Tilt I am going to try out TomTom.
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OK, now you're comparing WLS to GM. Bad choice because now GM can locate you based on cell towers as well as GPS. WLS can only use GPS.
Either way neither will work well indoors.
well wls can use cell towers with a registry setting.
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well wls can use cell towers with a registry setting.
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What reg setting? I would think it would take much more than a simple reg hack to enable something like that.
it's for our GPS, not wls in specific. Kaisertweak does it. "Assisted GPS"
At least that's my take on what it does.
"Assisted GPS helps the GPS to keep tracking your position when entering areas with bad reception, like tunnels and such. You must have a real GPS lock first for this to work though"
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I dont think (m)any Kaiser users use or would want to use live search. it's dependent on a signal. Tomtom can be used anywhere on the planet.
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I think a lot of us do. I don't spend much time outside of cell areas. If I ever plan a trip where I think I might, I'll consider the $150 then.
The latest WLS with speech recognition for directory searches is pretty slick considering it's free.
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OK, now you're comparing WLS to GM. Bad choice because now GM can locate you based on cell towers as well as GPS. WLS can only use GPS.
Either way neither will work well indoors.
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Actually GM has an option to center on GPS. The position with Cell Towers is about a mile off. Obviously I used the GPS.
And again I tried at the store and GM worked with GPS and found where I was at. Then I tried WLS and it found me. But I closed GM and WLS would not find me through GPS any more. So its WLS thats not so good.
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Actually GM has an option to center on GPS. The position with Cell Towers is about a mile off. Obviously I used the GPS.
And again I tried at the store and GM worked with GPS and found where I was at. Then I tried WLS and it found me. But I closed GM and WLS would not find me through GPS any more. So its WLS thats not so good.
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I know GM has center on GPS, but it also has Locate Me feature that is unique to GM (uses cell towers). I use both and both work perfectly for me.
GM being a mile off is pretty accurate. They say within 1700 meters, which is almost exactly a mile (1.05633103 miles to be exact).
This is probably a stupid question but I bought a kaiser last week but I dont know how to activate the gps, I found a program called quickgps to update it but thats about it.
Do I need 3g to use GPS? (I am on vacations here in the US, I would love to use the GPS, but I have no phone service)
Do I have to buy some type of software?
Thanks all!
No question is stupid. Misplaced in the forums maybe but not stupid. Be sure to search before posting.
You don't need to activate the GPS. You do need software. You failed to mention your provider so until you give us more info we can't help much.
QuickGPS is a seperate program that helps you get a lock quicker on your GPS. (Search for a more complete explaination.)
GPS is not part of your phone service so you don't need 3G. Unless, of course, you are using a provider service that also requires you to be connected.
So, yes you need to buy TomTom, iGo, Garmin, or some other software. There are a bunch. Again, search and see what you like.
Hope that helps.
thanks for the answer, helps plenty.
Well actually I have no provider. I bought this phone used so I can use it in my country that is Chile. I am going to unlock it.
Thanks
The bottom line is you need some kind of mapping program. For example an online version like Live Search or Google Maps, and you will need a internet connection to use them. Maps are downloaded as you need them with those two. The other option is to use mapping programs like Tom Tom or IGO. Their maps are loaded to your on board memory and an internet connection is not needed.
Thanks, I will get tomtom
I am clear now
Automapa
Here's one piece of GPS navigation software that worked great with my Kaiser (before it got stolen) it's called Automapa and you can get it here: http://www.automapa.pl/?PEI=220708&lng=EN
it's not free though!
Hey guys,
I've been trying to get Googlemaps GPS to work on my shiny new Diamond, but Telus seems to have locked GPS to only work through Telus Navigator.
Googlemaps just searches for satellites forever, even outside.
Anyone know if there's a way around this?
Thanks,
-Michael
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Telus seems to have locked GPS to only work through Telus Navigator.
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Surely not, I can't believe an operator would do something so crass (even if they could do it at all).
Try getting a fix in your Navigator program, and when it has done so, and while it's still running, hit the home key (as in hard home key) and run up google maps. You will still have your navigator app running in the background, still holding its fix, so hit Use GPS in google maps and you should get a fix instantly. If you still don't, get back to us, as a setting or two will have gone awry.
Yeah, but then I have to pay for Navigator, which kinda defeats the purpose =)
Sorry, the way I understood your first post, I thought you had Navigator, and so far you could only get your GPS to worked with it.
You need to make sure your GPS settings are in order... there are loads of tips around this forum on how to best set it up for a number of different scenarios, and I'm not going to add to them again, but if you search around, you will find the settings you need and I'm sure you'll be up and running in no time.
Hello and welcome to the world of telus diamond.
I have a Diamond from Telus, and I've gotten the GPS to work without even considering thinking about paying for Navigator. I use a little application called Efficasoft GPS utilities, and it can usually get me a fix in under 2 minutes. Then if i need to use google maps, I just open it up, and WHAM-O - instant location.
for the record - GPS is NOT DISABLED by default in Telus Diamonds. It just doesn't work very well.
That sucks a lot.
Stupid Telus.
Well hopefully we'll get some great chefs working on the radio, ROM etc, and the GPS won't be so bad in the future. But as of yet, the Multitudes of ROMs out there aren't for our CDMA Diamonds. As far as I know, we're all stuck with the default ROM for now.
I have a Telus Diamond working just fine with Google Maps & Google Navigator!
Didn't even have to change any settings...
Leave the GPS set to "Using system GPS setting".
Go outside and give it a minute to locate.
It doesn't work too well indoors
That's really strange.
I've decided that Telus is retarded. I can't even download Navigator to my phone ("navigator coming soon...") leading me to believe that maybe Telus just doesn't want to supply Ottawa with GPS at all. Even running the HTC GPS Tool I can't detect any satellites.
Lame.
try GPStest. its floating around here somewhere.
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I've decided that Telus is retarded. I can't even download Navigator to my phone ("navigator coming soon...") leading me to believe that maybe Telus just doesn't want to supply Ottawa with GPS at all.
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Don't use Telus Navigator. It sux huge and you can get better software for free.
Well, it seems to be working now.
On a whim, I tried running the HTC GPS Tool again and it found a bunch of satellites, and now Googlemaps GPS works beautifully.
No idea what happened.
my google maps works great now too!
woot!
Im sure this will be easy for you guys. I have a 8125 now with live search on it. My question is if I upgrade to the tilt, is there a way I can use the gps without being charged? I would really appreciate the help. Thanks in advance
a gps don't use the phone it get signals from satellites
so it don't cost anything
but of cause if you use gmaps for navigation it will cost
but if you use tomtom or garmin program and maps you
don't even need a sim card in the phone
The Wizard is cool, but the Tilt...
Hi there,
I use Google Maps...if you pay your provider for internet access (like PDA Connect or MediaNet Unlimited...search on those if you don't know the truth!) then it won't cost you anything more.
There is a clause in the Google Maps program that says not to use it while moving, and I'm still unclear myself as to the exact reasons why, so at least be aware when you are doing something you're 'not supposed to' do...but it works just fine, is EASY to use, has broad general search capabilities, incorporates their Satellite View and practically real-time Traffic info.
If you do NOT pay for internet access (although I strongly suggest taking advantage of the 3G on the Tilt) you can use a 3rd party app like TomTom, Garmin and many others.
I also have DeLorme's Street Atlas 2007, but it does not support the GPS built into the Tilt, I have an external BT GPS for that.
The latest version of Street Atlas has...I believe...addressed that issue and should work fine.
And there are a TON of other GPS programs out there that have many subtle differences to suit whatever your needs are...search the Kaiser > Software Forum and you'll find people who love and hate almost every one of them available. Installing most of them on the SD is more efficient, but some are small enough to put in without one.
The Tilt also has Quick GPS that, when updated regularly, speeds up the satellite acquisition time for the GPS effectively...I usually get a lock within 10-15 seconds, but it does take longer on occasion. Quick GPS downloads info from the Net, so you would need access to utilize that function.
I too had a Wizard before the Tilt...and I liked it alot...but the 3G, the GPS, the 3MP Camera...and THIS FORUM!...have taken me to a point where I LOVE my Tilt, and...although I can 'upgrade' now to a Fuze...I don't think I can get a better phone without going outside my Provider Dealer (AT&T thru Hawk Electronics).
Search the Kaiser Forum for GPS, look specifically in the Software section and I think you'll find more than enough info to help you make your decision.
If you do make the switch, I'd keep the Wizard and start playing with Cooked ROMs and Software so you can get acquainted with the process. What you can do with the Tilt on this Forum is only limited by the time these guys have to tweak.
For what it may or may not be worth, my opinion is...get the Tilt!
Thanks guys, I plan on getting it and I have spb 3 so ill throw it on there right away