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Are you satisfied with your Xperia?

Hi,
Note: Anyone who votes and replies, can you please post the current result of the poll in your reply as well. (so that people who don't have the mobile in their hands yet - like me - and can't actually vote in the poll can see the results too...)
So... you've got an Xperia, eh? You lucky dog!
I bought mine the Friday before last - i.e. on the 25th, and am still waiting delivery. So while i wait, i thought i'd ask from you - the proud (or not) owners of Xperia... "In a nutshell - Are you Satisfied with your Xperia?"
If you are the owners of or have owned Touch Pro prior to Xperia, then cast your vote here as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441550
Leave comments if you want.
Best Regards,
Salman Khalid.

msalmank said:
Hi,
So... you've got an Xperia, eh? You lucky dog!
I bought mine the Friday before last - i.e. on the 25th, and am still waiting delivery. So while i wait, i thought i'd ask from you - the proud (or not) owners of Xperia... "In a nutshell - Are you Satisfied with your Xperia?"
If you are the owners of or have owned Touch Pro prior to Xperia, then cast your vote here as well:
Leave comments if you want.
Best Regards,
Salman Khalid.
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Yes I am satisfied.

the best smartphone on the planet right now

Hell yes, definately the best phone ive had! Looks good, well made, couple of minor issues but nothing major. Ask me again in 6 months

is Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and is too bad because now everyone will know that sonyericsson is really the best.

Despite the initial dissapointment with panels I am very happy. I use the SPB panel for everything and occassionally trot the others out for showing off (fish, music & movies) or a quick google search.
For me the keyboard is nice with easy to access shortcuts and everything works like it should. There are some incompatibilities with my favorite software (S2U2 barely works and is overridden by both panels and sliding out the keyboard) but other than that it runs as fast (touch pro) or faster than any other WM ppc I have ever used!
Phone Signal - Strong
Internet access - Very Quick
GPS - Fast (especially with Quick GPS)
Wifi - Strong
Keyboard - No Lag
Battery Life - 2 1/2 days of medium to heavy abuse on a full charge
4 1/2 Stars (Lose 1/2 for panels)

Took my touch pro back due to the GPS lag and changed for the x1 cause I was still within my 14-day period.
Must admit, it was a great decision. I agree with the statement made above, the panels are a little disappointing but im sure things will improve as more panels are developed.
Besides, we should be able to port TF3D and get the best of both worlds.
No GPS lag, Windows seems snappier navagating through the menu's and the phone feels a lot more solid than the pro.
Current voting is 19 - 1

silent_killa said:
Took my touch pro back due to the GPS lag and changed for the x1 cause I was still within my 14-day period.
Must admit, it was a great decision. I agree with the statement made above, the panels are a little disappointing but im sure things will improve as more panels are developed.
Besides, we should be able to port TF3D and get the best of both worlds.
No GPS lag, Windows seems snappier navagating through the menu's and the phone feels a lot more solid than the pro.
Current voting is 19 - 1
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TF3D is already ported
And ofc it's 19 - 1, it's in the Xperia forum after all, if you start it in the TP forum it'll be 19-1 for TP

Very Satisified. It's all I was hoping for. Keyboard is really good and had a fun day today showing my friend everything practically (GPS, Web, Email etc.) all very smoothly. Suffice it to say that she wanted it as well but ain't due for an upgarde until June next year

Still waiting to get mine, will be interested to see how it compares with my Touch Pro (which will probably get the heave-ho once the Xperia arrives I suspect).

Pure ****..
I really regret bying my X1,it is slow incredible buggy and even my Nokia E90 it was ment to replace has more to offer then this hyped "superphone".. Worst of all is the reception whish is far below average and driving me mad, X1 vs stonewall is the most likely ending to this,,,,,soon,,,next time it just lying there looking stupid searching for signal,,, whamm..
nice looking and probably a solid build other then that..

Micke401 said:
I really regret bying my X1,it is slow incredible buggy and even my Nokia E90 it was ment to replace has more to offer then this hyped "superphone".. Worst of all is the reception whish is far below average and driving me mad, X1 vs stonewall is the most likely ending to this,,,,,soon,,,next time it just lying there looking stupid searching for signal,,, whamm..
nice looking and probably a solid build other then that..
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Can you share some of the bugs?

its okay. but not e real milestone.
my x1 is very heavy!its weight is nearly 160 gramms. it feel like a brick.
but it looks impressive. and the display is bigger. but thats all.
the more of ram is okay, but not really feelable.
i miss stereo speakers
hardware video encoder for 640x480 @30 frames
(the videocapture suxx completely!!very blocky and a lot of loss frames!)
answering machine capabillitys. (it`s the same on all windows phones)
tv out????
menus not fast enough. (with tweaked caches too)
where is the g-sensor/motion sensor gone????? the raphael has got one.
its not really better than my htc diamond.
okay, the keyboard its the most important feature, but the phone
FEELS the double of size and weight. so i can wear a mini blutetooth
keyboard in addition to a diamond. thats cheaper.
(its not really the double weight/size, but it feels so!)
the most missing features are realised in the good old nokia n95, years ago.
why can`t htc implement this features? why sony ericsson will use
the f*cking htc cam. in view of the good name of cybershot products,
they lose a lot of reputation.
for 650 bucks, i hoped to become 'the top phone' on market.
but its just a htc rapahael (diamond with keyboard), in y new case
with 2 keyboard keys more, they named one of it X-panel-key. xpanel is just a software,
i can install to any windows phone, and use the button remap tool
and use x-panel by pressing long end of call key.

Don't miss my Kaiser at all...actually don't even know where I put it.
There are some little things with the X1 that could be better but overall this is the best phone I've ever used (and I've used a lot).

The most frustrating thing about owning this phone is how much sleep i'm missing because i'm playing with the damn thing so much
I love it.
Current Voting
Yes 47
No 7

i miss a "yes, but..."-button in the poll.
i am satisfied with my x1, but there are some problems with it.
1. bluetooth turns off randomly
2. optical joystic turns on ramdomly
3. when i install tf3d the x1 gets very unstable and crashes after 2-3 panel changes (even after multiple softresets)
you can share my problems? or you have already solutions to this probs?
thanks & greetz
zmaster
48 yes
8 no

Very happy with the phone haven't had any bugs yet.
However O2 have fiddled with the rom and this has left me with a couple of niggles i.e no google panels and no bluetooth FTP function.

zmaster81 said:
3. when i install tf3d the x1 gets very unstable and crashes after 2-3 panel changes (even after multiple softresets)
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Hardy fair too knock a product because your hacked software won't run nicely on it.

Scott Whitmore said:
Hardy fair too knock a product because your hacked software won't run nicely on it.
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There's always some noob and dumb ass w/ no idea what they are doing.
My x1 is rock solid so far compare to all my previously owned phone so far.

only problems i have arent the X1 at fault.
1. poor reception. its O2 as its fine with my old tmobile sim,
2. opera has issues, but its known to be a beta i believe and a last minute additin to the X1.
technically theres a third, no multitasking the radio but im not too fussed.

I'm considering switching to HTC Touch Pro2...what is your input?

Guys, I need your input... please convince me whatever you want to convince me.

don't do it bro.

I think it's VERY VERY VERY STUPID! it's the same phone, and I don't see the TP2 have any advantage over the X1, besides bigger screen... better to wait for the X2 (pray to god the X2 have better CPU)
stay with the X1...

i heard the tp2 video framerate is much lower than the x1 as well, the best thing to do is ask members in the rhodium forum questions and compare them to your experiences with the x1

ait for the x2 man. It will have better cpu (i hope), Better battery life. X1 was just a test and now the test is complete they will give us X2 "god is shining his light upon the X2" hallaluja

Bangsat86 said:
ait for the x2 man. It will have better cpu (i hope), Better battery life. X1 was just a test and now the test is complete they will give us X2 "god is shining his light upon the X2" hallaluja
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I can't get the X2 because it will be very expensive for me. Touch Pro 2 is surprisingly cheap compared to the X1a [i don't use 3G anyway, i shud have paid for the x1i version]
I want the TP2 because the music and conversation speaker + mix is almost hi-fi.
The screen is big.
And the keyboard is delicious.
The main reasons I don't want to switch is because of the Sony Ericsson Media Panel and the 3.5 mm jack.
I am also planning on selling my X1 and saving it for a future phone.

Well, if there were ppl who called the X1 a brick, I really wonder what they'd say to your Touch Pro 2.

Keep your X1 man. Do you have an X1a? R4A firmware is coming out and I heard it's gonna be a kick ass ROM.

jhendra said:
Keep your X1 man. Do you have an X1a? R4A firmware is coming out and I heard it's gonna be a kick ass ROM.
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Where did you get that info?

i would get it, or at least im considering it. i would like a bigger screeen. i also read somewhere that they maybe making one for att but that wont be till the end of the year.

You might as well hold out for a snapdragon phone.

That would be a lateral move. There's really no point. And besides, who wants a bigger phone with the same functionality these days?
You would be much better off holding off until at least one of these options
a. Tegra/Snapdragon
b. phones released with winmo 6.5 stock
c. phones released with winmo 7

tp2 is not really an upgrade
get the omnia pro if you really must change your phone

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tp2 is not really an upgrade
get the omnia pro if you really must change your phone
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I totally agree with this you. Omnia Pro is better than X1 in many ways, and TP2 has bigger display, only that.

Go for it! And tell us your opinion after switching X1 to TP2.
(Guessing you'll be missing for X1!)

poetryrocksalot said:
Guys, I need your input... please convince me whatever you want to convince me.
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Hardware is almost the same
TP2 pros:
bigger screen.
Xperia pros:
3.5mm headphone jack.
More RAM available.
Has camera flash.
D-pad (almost all games require one, or are played better with one. It is useful and a necessity).
Xperia looks better, feels better in the hand and is more useful. Your choice....

I am amused. How HTC can not include flash in a 3mp phone like touch pro 2. The phone is a sure shot but how can they even think of missing on the flash.

dont do it..just use tf3d and some of my mods..

go for it...x1 is one very good smartphone, but misses badly on essentialz:
bigger touch screen and windows mobile (and panels) being adjusted for touch input.
got my x1 just a week ago...played around, got used to it, installed all the programs i wanted...and came to conclusion that the touch screen is just toooo small and on the brink to be anoying...still functional, but...very BIG but...
whatever you get must have solid big touch screen...important for web-browsing,gps-ing, everything...size of new iPhone is just right...
...maybe x2 or x3 will sort out this few (big) mistakes of this great phone.

votec said:
go for it...x1 is one very good smartphone, but misses badly on essentialz:
bigger touch screen and windows mobile (and panels) being adjusted for touch input.
got my x1 just a week ago...played around, got used to it, installed all the programs i wanted...and came to conclusion that the touch screen is just toooo small and on the brink to be anoying...still functional, but...very BIG but...
whatever you get must have solid big touch screen...important for web-browsing,gps-ing, everything...size of new iPhone is just right...
...maybe x2 or x3 will sort out this few (big) mistakes of this great phone.
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Apple whoring much?
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

Is the X1 worth a try?

I have noticed you can now pick up an X1 for as little as £330 on Amazon UK and I was looking for a cheapish secondary phone that would be could for web browsing & e mail. As well as using as a modem for a Mac laptop.
Is the X1 a good choice for something like this, how is the build quality & UI speed.
Being a noob to WM how is it to get along with on the X1 with the panels etc.
Is there any software that can be installed that helps usability?
It seems to be a good deal cheaper than the price of Touch HD is, even after all this time.

Wel not every phone is perfect.
if you get a x1 i suggest to flash a custom rom wm6.5 that will speed up the device. i think the x1 is a great phone its not to big and comes with a keyboard. the specs are almost the same as TP2. the Tp2 has a bigger screen and speaker.
but if you want a phone thats not to big and has a keyboard than the x1 would be a great choice. i don't know how it works with mac(i'm a linux user). you can find so many software here to make you x1 like you want to. there are so many different UI that you can use. like: TouchFlo3D, PointUI and SPB.
I'm using wm6.5 now for a long time and i must say its fast enough for me.
I hope this helped you.

I have been using it for around few months now and my opinion is I'd look at different phones.
Altho this is one of the most feature packed phone at the moment there are few downsides which are quite critical in terms of usability as a phone.
1. Windows OS not stable enough unless you are keen to soft reset every other day. I soft reset mine every couple of days.
2. Weak reception, compare to my Nokia E71.
3. Lose of reception when you held the phone for a while. Work around to this is getting a silicon case for the phone or apply screen protector at the back of the device, especially the battery cover. I wish there were aftermarket optiosn available such as carbon fiber casing/battery cover. It would cured the problem and make the device much lighter.
4. Battery drain problem once you start use shell/launcher such as SPB mobile shell and Winterface. Battery is fine till 30 percent or so then strangely empties quick overnight from there.
5. Scree lock software increases stability issues. I have used pocket shield and S2U2 ended up removing both due to stability problems.
6. Keyboard is not very well designed. Not the layout but the feedback from pressing buttons. It's kinda mush and not very tactile.
7. "Up" on Dpad is hard to press. and volume button is too small to operate especially when you have case on the phone.
8. Slow web browser. Both IE and Opera mobile is slow compare to Nokia's symbian web browser.
I'm using latest official firmware and tried many custom firmware/winmo 6.5 etc. I think touch flo 3d is the most stable custom launcher you can get for it, although I much prefer winterface launcher.
I have been trying to use this phone for work and I learned that you simply cannot rely on it as relibility suffers thanks to winmo OS. It's fine for personal phone but I wouldn't use it for a work phone.
In my opinion, it's perfect if you are looking for "mostly PDA but occasionally phone" device. If you are after phone first and PDA second, look into Noka N97 or E series. Nokia makes very reliable phones. Or look into HTC Dream/Hero/Android OS devices. I myself thinking of changing my phone to HTC Android OS phones atm. (if only N97 wasn't so expensive around here. darn it.)

Sure worth a 'TRY'. hehe

some8 said:
I have been using it for around few months now and my opinion is I'd look at different phones.
Altho this is one of the most feature packed phone at the moment there are few downsides which are quite critical in terms of usability as a phone.
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1. Windows OS not stable enough unless you are keen to soft reset every other day. I soft reset mine every couple of days.
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Wich Rom do you use? If you installed to many software that is filling up the phone than you have to SR.
2. Weak reception, compare to my Nokia E71.
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Where do you live? I have always full reception and never droped calls.
3. Lose of reception when you held the phone for a while. Work around to this is getting a silicon case for the phone or apply screen protector at the back of the device, especially the battery cover. I wish there were aftermarket optiosn available such as carbon fiber casing/battery cover. It would cured the problem and make the device much lighter.
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I read that so many people are getting scratches on there phone i'm using mine x1 for 9 months and never had a scratch on it. now i have a hard casing for it its better than the silicon one. http://cgi.ebay.nl/Hard-Case-for-So...ches?hash=item3355089a5e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 its very cheap.
4. Battery drain problem once you start use shell/launcher such as SPB mobile shell and Winterface. Battery is fine till 30 percent or so then strangely empties quick overnight from there.
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Wich WinMo phone has a good battery life? if you want a long battery life than don't buy WinMo phones. buy SE K series they have great battery life.
5. Scree lock software increases stability issues. I have used pocket shield and S2U2 ended up removing both due to stability problems.
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I didn't had any stability iseus with s2u2. but i'm not using any screen lock anymore.
6. Keyboard is not very well designed. Not the layout but the feedback from pressing buttons. It's kinda mush and not very tactile.
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At first it was hard for me to but you get use to it and i must say i'm very fast with it now
7. "Up" on Dpad is hard to press. and volume button is too small to operate especially when you have case on the phone.
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This is totally true
8. Slow web browser. Both IE and Opera mobile is slow compare to Nokia's symbian web browser.
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Try to use opera9.7 with turbo enabled its really fast even faster than iphone 3g. i know its still in beta phase.
I'm using latest official firmware and tried many custom firmware/winmo 6.5 etc. I think touch flo 3d is the most stable custom launcher you can get for it, although I much prefer winterface launcher.
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you tried to many beta build i gues. i have winmo 6.5 with R3 firmware and its really fast with no stuff from other winmo devices. TF3D is nice and respnds good but i prefer the standard wm6.5 home.
I have been trying to use this phone for work and I learned that you simply cannot rely on it as relibility suffers thanks to winmo OS. It's fine for personal phone but I wouldn't use it for a work phone.
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This is not the fault of the phone but winmo. wm is just crap almost everybody agrees.
In my opinion, it's perfect if you are looking for "mostly PDA but occasionally phone" device. If you are after phone first and PDA second, look into Noka N97 or E series. Nokia makes very reliable phones. Or look into HTC Dream/Hero/Android OS devices. I myself thinking of changing my phone to HTC Android OS phones atm. (if only N97 wasn't so expensive around here. darn it.)
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choose a OS so that can do all your jobs. i'm using wm because i use navigation on my phone(tomtom) and for me thats the best. read reviews of phones. there are always downsides with every phone i always say it there is no perfect phone or OS. every OS has its own problems. if you don't relay on software that run on OS i prefer you to buy a android phone htc hero. but if you wan't a phone with keyboard i suggest xperia because its not to big.

I'd suggest you go for the touch pro 2, since you are new to winmo. It has a larger screen, hardware keyboard is great to use and is a bit more recent than the xperia.
Switching to winmo gives a lot of benefits, especially when you have a HTC device. You can change roms and try out different flavours etcetera. Install applications without jailbraiking or whatsoever. Get use to the tf3d, wich is a pretty neat home screen. Ofcourse, nothing beats the gaming capabilities of an iphone right now, but i do think that there are advantages on windows mobile.

some8 said:
I have been using it for around few months now and my opinion is I'd look at different phones.
Altho this is one of the most feature packed phone at the moment there are few downsides which are quite critical in terms of usability as a phone.
1. Windows OS not stable enough unless you are keen to soft reset every other day. I soft reset mine every couple of days.
2. Weak reception, compare to my Nokia E71.
3. Lose of reception when you held the phone for a while. Work around to this is getting a silicon case for the phone or apply screen protector at the back of the device, especially the battery cover. I wish there were aftermarket optiosn available such as carbon fiber casing/battery cover. It would cured the problem and make the device much lighter.
4. Battery drain problem once you start use shell/launcher such as SPB mobile shell and Winterface. Battery is fine till 30 percent or so then strangely empties quick overnight from there.
5. Scree lock software increases stability issues. I have used pocket shield and S2U2 ended up removing both due to stability problems.
6. Keyboard is not very well designed. Not the layout but the feedback from pressing buttons. It's kinda mush and not very tactile.
7. "Up" on Dpad is hard to press. and volume button is too small to operate especially when you have case on the phone.
8. Slow web browser. Both IE and Opera mobile is slow compare to Nokia's symbian web browser.
I'm using latest official firmware and tried many custom firmware/winmo 6.5 etc. I think touch flo 3d is the most stable custom launcher you can get for it, although I much prefer winterface launcher.
I have been trying to use this phone for work and I learned that you simply cannot rely on it as relibility suffers thanks to winmo OS. It's fine for personal phone but I wouldn't use it for a work phone.
In my opinion, it's perfect if you are looking for "mostly PDA but occasionally phone" device. If you are after phone first and PDA second, look into Noka N97 or E series. Nokia makes very reliable phones. Or look into HTC Dream/Hero/Android OS devices. I myself thinking of changing my phone to HTC Android OS phones atm. (if only N97 wasn't so expensive around here. darn it.)
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1 - I soft reset EVERY phone at least once a day. Depends on usage not on stability.
2 - Not true.
3 - Not true.
4 - Don't use shells then lmao.
5 - That is those apps' fault, not a problem with the phone or WinMo. lol at this btw.
6 - That is totally your own opinion. Most of the users fund the keyboard amazing. There is only one keyboard that gives better experience than the X1's and that's TP2's keyboard.
7 - True about the "up" button, but the volume keys are fine. If they were bigger, you would have complained about how huge they are lol.
8 - Biggest lie ever. Maybe you failed to mention that the Symbian browser is crap? Try SkyFire or Opera (for real this time).
I don't like TF3D and I'm using the official R3A ROM. Everything is perfect.
The phone is good for work.
LOL @ the phones you mentioned and especially ROFL @ the N97, which is the biggest fail in the known universe.
hyellow said:
I'd suggest you go for the touch pro 2, since you are new to winmo. It has a larger screen, hardware keyboard is great to use and is a bit more recent than the xperia.
Switching to winmo gives a lot of benefits, especially when you have a HTC device. You can change roms and try out different flavours etcetera. Install applications without jailbraiking or whatsoever. Get use to the tf3d, wich is a pretty neat home screen. Ofcourse, nothing beats the gaming capabilities of an iphone right now, but i do think that there are advantages on windows mobile.
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I suggest you read this before going for the TP2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522073

/commodoor
yup I agree with you. there is no perfect OS. It's all comes down to personal preference. My statement was merely coming from my experience and how I felt about the product.
You don't have to criticise my comment. It's just how I felt from my own experience and those were issues when I used it.
Like I said before xperia is the most feature packed phone you can get. It has the screen resolution with physical qwerty keyboard, excellent built quality, GPS, camera with flash and all those other phones can't match. But at the end of the day, it comes down to the end user and usability.
My complain about battery life is not about actual overall battery life. If you read my comment again, it was fine till around 30% then quickly drains after that. Don't get all defensive and say "Don't buy winmo device if you expect battery life." You have completely missed my point. Everyone who have experience with winmo phones know what it can do and what it can't. I was simply pointing those out.
Yes I'm using winmo 6.5 custom rom and I found I actually gain reception quality and battery life with it over previous 6.1 rom I used, but it seems sacrificing stability. The point is, winmo needs a lot of tweak to get the basic phone part working reliably and lag free like other phones like Nokia symbian platform does out of box. But then winmo has a lot more room for customisation and that's where its strength came from. That's what I mean by "PDA first, phone second."
Reception quality is fine, but worse compare to my E71 and HTC Touch HD. I compared both at home and where E71 and HTC Touch HD picked up the signal, Xperia failed. I live around hills. Reception isn't very good around here.
Funny enough I don't use or install anything but bare minimum. I use builtin notepad, builtin calender and builtin contact. Probably only aftermarket software I use is Garmin/Tomtom Nav software and Winterface. Nothing else.
I still find the Nokia web broswer faster than any version of Opera(except mini but that's different story) for winmo phones, especially over GSM network.(HSDPA) But then Nokia web browser struggle to view heavy loaded websites where winmo devices can. So all about up and downside. For general website I usually visit, I found Nokia web browser gets the job done faster and easier. Also when I installed Opera mini on my E71, I could view websites with flash manu, somewhat limited, but made it possible. I couldn't do this on any winmo devices.
I have exact same case you have linked and suprised you have found happy with it. It's pure junk in my opinion and its getting dust in my drawer. I just found such case doesn't do its beautiful device a justice. Adds too much bulk and doesn't really protect the phone as it's way to easy to take them off. Also finish wasn't great out of box. I had to file few spots to smooth moulding lines. Xperia is not a slim device and having cases just adds too much bulk on it. Exceeding to my preference.
At end of the day, it's all about your priority. If you like customising phones then xperia is definitely a nice choice. I prefer it over HTC touch HD anyday. But if you want the pda phone you can rely on and works everytime without fail and but with limited customisation, then defnitely consider Nokia symbian phones. I'm quite tempted for Android OS phones at the moment. I just wish M$ did their work and improve windows mobile OS rather than making it heavier with eye candy crap.

/orelsi.
I don't know what to say. Stop accusing me I'm lieing. And are you retard? Because I was saying those are my experience. I didn't say that applies to everyone.
What's up with this rudeness. Does this represent Winmo community? Such short sighted and arrogant comment.

sorry for the off top, but don't worry too much bout orelsi. he's always like that...
imho x1 is the best winmo device at the moment. maybe tp2 is more feature packed, but xperia looks better, size-wise it's amazing, it is fast and stable on r3a stock rom, pictures captured with it can be compared to normal digital cameras and the keyboard layout is made for fast texting/emailing. for me it is just perfect.

orelsi said:
I suggest you read this before going for the TP2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522073
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I think when speaking of user friendlynes, the touch pro 2 can be that. I mean, you are talking about advantages of the d-pad, sure, there are some, though i don't have chubby fingers, d-pad on xperia is sometimes a horrible design mistake. left and right d-pad is ok, but up and down, you can't hardly press it without pressing on the optical pad. what's the use of an optical pad anyway, i hardly use it, only for up and down for the forementioned problems with keypad. i don't use it for scolling webpages since opera, and in fact, the whole OS, is already using kinnetic scrolling.
no flash on tp2. Yeah, like having a led flashlight really makes a difference, but the vga recording @ 30fps is a nice addition to xperia though, if only it would not capture to 3gp format, cmon, 3gp in twothousand and f*cking nine?
Every phone has it flaws orelsi. Xperia is also not perfect, especially not if you were buying it for the hardware qwerty and the so called arctic slide, nothing special about that either.
But I agree, sometimes your posts can be rude, as i have notice myself before.
As i know the thread starter from mobile-review and he happens to have an iphone, i suggested him a device equally matches the screen size at least. Because the 16:9 aspect ratio of the xperia doesn't make it per se a better user experience.
Anyway, i hope we can help the topic starter for his quest for a good winmo phone.
ohh, and possibly most anoying is the recessed screen, where the tp2 is flushed.

trust me. having a flash is making a difference. the one in xperia is strong enough and even low light pictures are quite nice quality. it is true about not so great quality of videos though.
arc (not arctic ) slider is a very nice feature. previously I had tytn 2 and tilted screen was less neat. on the other hand, flush screen on tp2 is better.
d-pad is not the bestest one, but tbh one can get used to it and it's better to have one rather than have none. optical joystick is also great for precise operation.
so.... x1 have it's flaws, but for many of us it's a weapon of choice. no other device have those looks with all this greatness inside with it's compact form factor.

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/orelsi.
I don't know what to say. Stop accusing me I'm lieing. And are you retard? Because I was saying those are my experience. I didn't say that applies to everyone.
What's up with this rudeness. Does this represent Winmo community? Such short sighted and arrogant comment.
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I think when speaking of user friendlynes, the touch pro 2 can be that. I mean, you are talking about advantages of the d-pad, sure, there are some, though i don't have chubby fingers, d-pad on xperia is sometimes a horrible design mistake. left and right d-pad is ok, but up and down, you can't hardly press it without pressing on the optical pad. what's the use of an optical pad anyway, i hardly use it, only for up and down for the forementioned problems with keypad. i don't use it for scolling webpages since opera, and in fact, the whole OS, is already using kinnetic scrolling.
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If you aren't satisfied with the 'up" and "down" keys and aren't using the optical pad, then turn of the optical one and be happy with the hardware d-pad.
I use the optical scrolling all the time for browsing, scrolling through menus and most importantly through e-books.
Also, there are many games and some apps that require a D-Pad. Better to have one is what I say.
no flash on tp2. Yeah, like having a led flashlight really makes a difference, but the vga recording @ 30fps is a nice addition to xperia though, if only it would not capture to 3gp format, cmon, 3gp in twothousand and f*cking nine?
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It is not a small difference. It is especially noticeable in dark places. The TP2 won't be able to make a pic, while the X1 will take one. Now, you tell me what's better - to have a certain (arguably not perfect) ability or to have no ability at all?
Every phone has it flaws orelsi. Xperia is also not perfect, especially not if you were buying it for the hardware qwerty and the so called arctic slide, nothing special about that either.
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Have I ever said that the X1 is without flaws? I have pointed its flaws repeatedly.
Do you mean the "arc" slider? That is just a form factor, although the curve helps a little bit when typing.
But I agree, sometimes your posts can be rude, as i have notice myself before.
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Everything is in the eye of the beholder.... get it?
As i know the thread starter from mobile-review and he happens to have an iphone, i suggested him a device equally matches the screen size at least. Because the 16:9 aspect ratio of the xperia doesn't make it per se a better user experience.
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The bigger screen and better speakers are the only two things the TP2 has going for it. I can't honestly call that an upgrade (unless we are talking apple lmao). The 16:9 ratio is pretty good for movies though .
Anyway, i hope we can help the topic starter for his quest for a good winmo phone.
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Indeed.
OP my advice is to get the X1 or wait for some other phone later in the year.
ohh, and possibly most anoying is the recessed screen, where the tp2 is flushed.
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Agreed 100%.

i think, not any manufacturer wil make the perfect device for us. just near close to keep us hungry for more and more...

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i think, not any manufacturer wil make the perfect device for us. just near close to keep us hungry for more and more...
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Yeah, if they make the perfect one, who would bother buying their next device haha. That's why the X1 lacks an accelerometer.

Thanks all for the feedback it was very helpful.
In it's bare-bones state, in other-words without altering the ROM or putting other UI's on it how do the panels perform, are they more of a gimmick than an actual useful addition.
I have heard that the X1 UI is less customised than something like the TP2 & you encounter raw WM6.1 more often & with the screen/font size that it can be tricky to use without applying the stylus?

there is mobile shell from spb, i don't use it though, but it also can keep you away from the inner wm6.1 ui, for a while though. check spb's website about it, it's free for xperia, as a panel, so decide wich panel suits your time of the day

The X1 rocks! I got mine a few days ago and simply love it!
The stock software isn't too awesome, though, and the up button of the D-Pad is hard to press (but I don't use it anyway since the optical joystick works beautifully). Personally I like the keyboard feel, not too mushy for my taste. No G-sensor, but I find them irritating anyway (again, just a personal preference). In all other regards the hardware is fantastic. Fast and small, great display, full qwerty, optical d-pad, Wi-Fi, gps with a-gps support, etc..
I have flashed a few ROMs (6.5 and 6.1) and am very happy with Smaberg's Touch X 10.1 EXTREME final ROM (WinMo 6.1, Touch Flo 3d - not sure which version, but it is smooth and touch-friendly). Stable and very fast. Makes for a much better experience than stock and smoother than all the 6.5 ROMs I have tried. It's been around a while and there is good support in the ROM thread. Don't have to delve too deep into 6.1 guts, interface is great.
My advice? Definitely buy one and flash it with the Touch X ROM.

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Nokia makes very reliable phones.
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I had to reboot my Nokia E90 every few days, it also took about 10% of battery to get the thing to a usable state after reboot too, hence why i had a second battery for it.
They also broke the BT functionality with their official flashed OS. It made it unreliable to boot.
This is why I'm here and have an X1 in my hand. If its going to be unreliable, I'd rather have a smaller, lighter, more configurable device.
i won't go on to say it is perfect, as it isn't. The E90 was built like a tank, went swimming several times and was dropped on an almost weekly basis, but still worked.
The X1 I have has been dropped and has been swimming, and it still works, but the case has cracked

First of all The perfect allInOne phone does not exist (even the iphone doesn't hehe) ...
i had nokia n95-8gb, samsung i550, samsung f480 and a lot more... now I'm with my xperia...
If you are an multimedia fan use a sony ericson w series phone ... if u like to have great amount of software u can use the xperia or any other winmobile phone BUT the xperia has a nice design and a good quality case... The camera is enough for snapshots and the gps is great - no compare with n95 this one has a crapy gps... so there's a lot of + and - it depents on what you personally need. if i could find "my rom" so it is the perfect phone for me because i don't listen too much to music but i want an rds radio a tmc and a good gps device so the nokia couldn't give me that ... Maybe the samsung omnia hd is an alternative one but rember it very depending on which rom u are using - hop it helped...

all You UK disappointed X1 users... an alternative - N900. maemo phone.

http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/n443/p26078.aspx
well... mr Gates. Gentlemen from SE. time to leave. bye bye..
oh... btw, if You don't know this device yet:
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

according to the engadget show, its a poor device and there is a problem when the touchscreen does not work half the time with the gestures.

well... what do You understand under "poor device"? have You checked the specs for it? have You seen latest videos? (not early prototype) well... iphone 3gs cpu/gpu (600mhz a8 cortex), sliding qwerty, wvga, resistive touch screen, 1gb ram (256+768 virtual), 32gb storage+micro sdhc slot, 5mp camera recording 800x480 videos (25 fps), agps, digital compass, accelerometer, maemo linux system, tv out, irda, bt, wifi, 3g...
well...?
[edit] silly me... I forgot to add- 3.5 audio jack, fm TRANSMITTER, stereo loud speakers, and maybe some more that I don't remember... how cool is that??
[edit2] http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/01/video-nokia-n900-put-through-its-paces-in-italian/ if that's not responsive/fast then I don't know what is...

Nokia are good phones but only on the paper. "It doesnt do what it says on the tin". It never does (remember my 9210i communicator, my last Nokia device)
If you want a phone to be ready out from the box (which, in my opinion, is boring), this kind of stuff is for you. Recently had my friends 5800XM for couple of days..Nightmare!! (try to use calculator in landscape mode ) I have no idea why people love this phone. Good music player??? Maybe..
Nokia dont do "tailored to requirements" phones, they put all things into one device and wait for the customers that dont know how to use it...

i think wm 6.5 will change the way people see wm, i mean the 6.1 and older gui is a real turn off and now the new gui in wm 6.5 is nice, the only one thing 6.5 is missing is a transitional animated interface...the default animation slows the device when activated and its not even pleasant to see
depends on if wm brings more eye candy then i will stay, well thats if apple doesn't release an iphone with a higher resolution and a qwerty keyboard
there is no doubt about it, wm is the most powerful os, its just the current gui makes you feel as tho you are using a pc with windows 98...ironic to see that wm 6.1 still wears the windows 98 look and soo many OS were born that looks great, especially their icons...speaking of icons, i dont get it as to why most of wm icons have that rugged edge look and not smooth edges, M$ really needs to get their act together...i hate to see some of the icons in wm bcos of their ugly look, most look like 8 bit icons

hm... well it's a good point, but I think I've seen enough. I'll leave x1 in the drawer, just in case, and I'll try this whole maemo with widgets. on one hand it is a good thing that You can modify winmo so much, but on the other most of the time spent with the device is wasted with efforts to change the way it looks and works, because it sucks out of the box. saying that, guess what...? I've tried many roms with all funky interfaces just to realise stock rom is most stable and fast (tweaked ofcourse) and the only thing for me was to install spb ms3 to make it look better. I really hate new wm 6.5 looks and titanium is just terrible imho.
what I like in n900 is that interface looks great ootb, strong cpu and gpu gives it a good kick and this damn thing just works. x2 is a major fail comparing to this sweet device. just wait few months... You'll see how is it going to conquer the market.

the specs are good but if u watch the engadget show that they put up a few days ago u will see that they did not like it and that he was doing gestures in front on a live show and it was not working. in the end they have used the device, we have not so i suggest u take there advice. nokia as a company is crumbling and they very rarely make a good phone, even though there is always lots of hype around them. think the n97, there flagship device.

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well... what do You understand under "poor device"? have You checked the specs for it? have You seen latest videos? (not early prototype) well... iphone 3gs cpu/gpu (600mhz a8 cortex), sliding qwerty, wvga, resistive touch screen, 1gb ram (256+768 virtual), 32gb storage+micro sdhc slot, 5mp camera recording 800x480 videos (25 fps), agps, digital compass, accelerometer, maemo linux system, tv out, irda, bt, wifi, 3g...
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The new HTC Leo does this and the cpu is 1GHz. the RAM of the nokia is 768mb virtual RAM? 5MP cam?? thats so 2009! FM transmitter is the only new 'gadget' on that. Oh 32GB sdhc cards will be out soon so that wouldnt be a seling point for me.
Didnt you know you cant big up Nokias on a HTC fanboy forum!

lol... ok guys. I'll better stfu now I guess I am the only one sooo in to something new.
leo? well... snapdragon doesn't convince me a lot. less than a8 cortex with powervr combo. the other thing is that leo doesn't have qwerty keys, so a deal breaker for me... I am trying to find a good alternative for winmo as well.
oh well... let's wait for official reviews, then I shall decide finally.

Sounds nice, but then again the X1 sounded nice and look where that go us. Also its Nokia, and Nokia dont do nice interface, Nokia interface is always ugly and not very appealing. This would have been amazing if it were samsung or LG or SE

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the other thing is that leo doesn't have qwerty keys, so a deal breaker for me
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If you had asked me 12 months ago I would also have said the qwerty keyboard was a deal breaker. And a qwerty keyboard is the tits, but for me, id rather have the big screen as im watchin a lot of tv at the mo

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most of the time spent with the device is wasted with efforts to change the way it looks and works, because it sucks out of the box. saying that, guess what...? I've tried many roms with all funky interfaces just to realise stock rom is most stable and fast (tweaked ofcourse) and the only thing for me was to install spb ms3 to make it look better.
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Yes, sad but very true.
Just wait for the Touch Pro3 and SPB MS4. How's that sound?

well ... you forgot to mention smth when you listed the cool features
weight 181 g
hmm and it doesnt seem to have any physical control key ...
design: like a brick ... my opinion ...
and i dont have experiences with this OS
in my opinion omnia pro and x2 are the best at the mom.... for the business and also multimedia guy.

well... You have arrow keys on hard keys, also the way it looks is more... hm... cool? at least less gay than tp2 imho. I am fed up with all those round shapes and chrome finishes.
anyway... I'll get it and if it's gonna suck, I'll give it back or it will land on ebay. ... but something tells me, that it is going to be a first wide popular maemo device. it's like icrap 3gs with **** loads of hardware added and complex, linux based system on board. I am almost convinced.... 97%

Too brickish, I'll stick to my X1 for now. An upgrade for me would be with same form factor, bigger screen, lighter, thinner and faster.

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well... You have arrow keys on hard keys, also the way it looks is more... hm... cool? at least less gay than tp2 imho. I am fed up with all those round shapes and chrome finishes.
anyway... I'll get it and if it's gonna suck, I'll give it back or it will land on ebay. ... but something tells me, that it is going to be a first wide popular maemo device. it's like icrap 3gs with **** loads of hardware added and complex, linux based system on board. I am almost convinced.... 97%
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Totally agreed,,, the design of this phone looks as crap as all nokia phone are & I bet the UI will be as UGLY, as annoying & as un-friendly as nokia have always been making... With good specs a phone should look fantastic as well like X1, TD2, TPro etc (not like this thick-brick)... No offence to Bronx or any one...
Edit: I should mention an edge that it has over X1 & TD2 etc... if you have a problem or fight occassionally THIS CAN BE USED AS A heavy WEAPON...

you know what they say: a pint and a fight - perfect British night. ok, maybe it looks more plastic than x1, but more likely it's gonna be build bit better than ever cracking xperia.
look people - I am not trying to convince anyone. I just want to point out another alternative to SE, HTC, WM, iPhone... all those companies have failed to provide solid product, so it is time for me to try something else. I loved my n70, I loved my n95 8gb. now I dare to say f... WM. I'll roam in here from time to time, as x1 stays with me, but in october I am trying something new, because of SE assholes. come on... after all this crap with x1 they should give us more support to wash that bad taste they left.
x1 is quite good device, but I won't forgive them cracks, ****ty video playback and lack of further software support.
[EDIT] btw - n900 110.9 × 59.8 × 18 (19.55 at thickest part) mm, xperia x1 110.5 x 52.6 x 17 mm - well? just a bit wider and a tad thicker. looks neat and tidy no matter what You guys say

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Sounds nice, but then again the X1 sounded nice and look where that go us. Also its Nokia, and Nokia dont do nice interface, Nokia interface is always ugly and not very appealing. This would have been amazing if it were samsung or LG or SE
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samsung or LG or SE ??????????
Dude samsung has only crappy phones ( yes good fast hardware but they miss buttons.. ok omnia qerty might be interesting .. )
LG is worst.. ( after i saw lg arena.. lol )
Perhaps n900 will get uber perhaps nokia ****s up

yeah... we shall see.

i would have bought this about a year ago to replace my n770.
i was interested in it till i saw the specs..... but the biggest turn off for me is the cpu, ram and no portrait mode.
maybe i could live with the cpu if the ram was much larger, i could care less about the virtual ram but it would have been a nice supplement to a larger ram anyways.
i could also live with the no portrait mode because i know the maemo group has some pretty good developers but why wait when it should have came out that way from the factory.
for me, phone is a year too late and ill stick to the x1 for now because no other phone is worth the upgrade right now

X2 Com Manager??

Has anyone found that CAB/package anywhere???

The device haven't been released yet wait untill it releases there wil probably be a x2 rom dumped remade so the x1 will run smooth

Man, I can't wait for some X2 based ROMS, these Leo based Roms are way to buggy and slow.. not to mention my aversion to TF3D (sorry guys).

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Man, I can't wait for some X2 based ROMS, these Leo based Roms are way to buggy and slow.. not to mention my aversion to TF3D (sorry guys).
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you dhould try toich it v2 pretty nice tf3d rom

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The device haven't been released yet wait untill it releases there wil probably be a x2 rom dumped remade so the x1 will run smooth
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in fact it is allready out...

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in fact it is allready out...
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U mean al those 6.5 roms out there?, think like this, x1 and x2 have the exact same hardware except x2 go accelerometer and some other minor uppgrades, and as far as i know the 6.5 runs so smooth it can possibly go on x2, so if someone dumps the rom from it al the devs will wont have to make those thousands registry tweaks cuz sony ericsson already made em thats why peeps wait on the x2 rom cuz it will be insanly smooth( i hope )

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U mean al those 6.5 roms out there?, think like this, x1 and x2 have the exact same hardware except x2 go accelerometer and some other minor uppgrades, and as far as i know the 6.5 runs so smooth it can possibly go on x2, so if someone dumps the rom from it al the devs will wont have to make those thousands registry tweaks cuz sony ericsson already made em thats why peeps wait on the x2 rom cuz it will be insanly smooth( i hope )
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Remember how smooth R1A was? I'm guessing we need a few more months at least for a good X2 dump.

Anyone got a screenshot of the X2 commanager?
Whats different from the X1 one?

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Remember how smooth R1A was? I'm guessing we need a few more months at least for a good X2 dump.
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You are right , but with a little bit modification the first x2 rom releases will prob do the thing, i dont want to buy the x2 cuz its basicly x1 but a new shell, new os lol, shell on x1 is a beuty compared to x2 lol! and the os(rom) will be working on our x1 so why spend 700 bucks on a new "x1" !!?

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U mean al those 6.5 roms out there?, think like this, x1 and x2 have the exact same hardware except x2 go accelerometer and some other minor uppgrades, and as far as i know the 6.5 runs so smooth it can possibly go on x2, so if someone dumps the rom from it al the devs will wont have to make those thousands registry tweaks cuz sony ericsson already made em thats why peeps wait on the x2 rom cuz it will be insanly smooth( i hope )
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Not forgetting that the X2 has more keys on the hardware keyboard than the X1, but yet less buttons (no more d-pad).

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Not forgetting that the X2 has more keys on the hardware keyboard than the X1, but yet less buttons (no more d-pad).
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Still the design is plastic and more fragile than a steady metall case the phone is bigger more clumsy and if u have x1 why buy x2 if u can get the same goodies on ur current phone? (finger keyboard v2 is the soloution)

I agree, whats the point in buying a new x1 with a 8mp camera..I don't even use the camera that often and when I do 3mp is sufficient. But thats alot of people's opinions, a friend of mine upgraded a week ago to another X1 and now he's just patiently waiting for the X2 rom to be dumped and to be quite honest I think I will do the same end November since it will save me a huge pay in plus the X1's design is perfect if compared with the X2's cheap plastice look. Gotta love the shiny metal cover. SE should have stuck with HTC, the X1 is my first SE phone that has never broken in it's full 2 years of use. Since HTC is out of the picture I think the cycle will probably start repeating itself again. Not that I'm complaining since the X2 screw up will add another year's life to the X1. SE should have switched to the snapdragon 1ghz cpu and stayed with HTC to create another monster what the X2 could've been. Even the Nokia N900 is copying the Xperia panel interface and just goes to show how much the X1 achieved. And yes after reading this post I written I see what a X1 fanboy I really am..but then again..after using the X1 how can anyone feel differently. I really did expect a bit more from the X2 though. Luckily the X2 rom will probably work out of the box on the X1 so looking forward to that.

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I agree, whats the point in buying a new x1 with a 8mp camera..I don't even use the camera that often and when I do 3mp is sufficient. But thats alot of people's opinions, a friend of mine upgraded a week ago to another X1 and now he's just patiently waiting for the X2 rom to be dumped and to be quite honest I think I will do the same end November since it will save me a huge pay in plus the X1's design is perfect if compared with the X2's cheap plastice look. Gotta love the shiny metal cover. SE should have stuck with HTC, the X1 is my first SE phone that has never broken in it's full 2 years of use. Since HTC is out of the picture I think the cycle will probably start repeating itself again. Not that I'm complaining since the X2 screw up will add another year's life to the X1. SE should have switched to the snapdragon 1ghz cpu and stayed with HTC to create another monster what the X2 could've been. Even the Nokia N900 is copying the Xperia panel interface and just goes to show how much the X1 achieved. And yes after reading this post I written I see what a X1 fanboy I really am..but then again..after using the X1 how can anyone feel differently. I really did expect a bit more from the X2 though. Luckily the X2 rom will probably work out of the box on the X1 so looking forward to that.
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I agree, I expected more from the X2, and I really fail to see how SE plans on attracting X1 buyers.
However, I really don't think HTC is the answer to SEs poblems. Honestly, it seems kind of counter intuitive to me when companies use HTC as their OEM, especially these days when it is trying to brand itself. The X1s biggest competitor when it came out was the Touch Pro. I'm sure HTC knew the X1 was a better phone, so what incentive did they have to really allow it to compete with their own devices. That's probably the reason we are missing things like an accelerometer, a 3.2 inch screen, massive launch delays, and probably the reason cheap plastics that crack were used. Its also probably one of the reasons Palm chose not to use HTC for the hardware of the Pre, as it had done in the past with the Treo Pro and others. Foxconn on the other hand doesn't make their own competitor to the X1 that they stand to lose money on. They do however make the iPhone, which is a stunning peice of hardware, so I'm hoping for good things further on down the line a la X3/X10

Hmm, im glad we have x1 lol, and soon we will have x2 in a better case (rom in our x1 for peeps that dont understand)

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I agree, I expected more from the X2, and I really fail to see how SE plans on attracting X1 buyers.
However, I really don't think HTC is the answer to SEs poblems. Honestly, it seems kind of counter intuitive to me when companies use HTC as their OEM, especially these days when it is trying to brand itself. The X1s biggest competitor when it came out was the Touch Pro. I'm sure HTC knew the X1 was a better phone, so what incentive did they have to really allow it to compete with their own devices. That's probably the reason we are missing things like an accelerometer, a 3.2 inch screen, massive launch delays, and probably the reason cheap plastics that crack were used. Its also probably one of the reasons Palm chose not to use HTC for the hardware of the Pre, as it had done in the past with the Treo Pro and others. Foxconn on the other hand doesn't make their own competitor to the X1 that they stand to lose money on. They do however make the iPhone, which is a stunning peice of hardware, so I'm hoping for good things further on down the line a la X3/X10
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Hmm now that you mention it, it makes sense that the X1 cracked for no reason at all looking at it in that light. Atleast the hardware remained sturdy. I also looked at the X10 but somehow can't get past the absence of a hardware keyboard and android OS. I love winmo as a OS although a lot of people complain about it. And the best thing about it is that you can keep upgrading it. SE stated that X2 would be able to upgrade to WM7 once it's released which means next year this time my X1 will also be running it. Then there is the HTC interface porting, Starcraft porting ect. Maybe they will bring out a real upgrade for the X1 when WM7 releases. Android is way too limited in my opinion and if you have 1.6 there's no way to flash to 2.0 not to mention no pc porting

iPhone is rather high quality I must admit. We will have to wait and see. I'm actually quite angry at HTC now, since thats probably also the friggen reason my spacebar key cracked in it's first week of use. I have a Foxconn motherboard in my pc and must also admit it's never given me any kind of problem

Personally I am going to buy a HTC HD2 then they start to sell it here in Denmark! Cause I feel that the Xperia X1 lost its charm quickly for me!