I have available a Samsung Behold 2 that has the new "TouchWiz" Android software on it, I understand that it is very graphically oriented and most likely will not run on a G1/MT3G but that has never stopped anyone, especially not here. So if someone can point me to the information or assist me in learning so that I can dump/upload for the developers here, I'm sure at some point we would all appreciate it.
-Taiyosan
touchwiz is not android its Samsung propitiatory os now.
tsukisan said:
I have available a Samsung Behold 2 that has the new "TouchWiz" Android software on it, I understand that it is very graphically oriented and most likely will not run on a G1/MT3G but that has never stopped anyone, especially not here. So if someone can point me to the information or assist me in learning so that I can dump/upload for the developers here, I'm sure at some point we would all appreciate it.
-Taiyosan
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Just get adb running then it's just:
adb pull /system <place on hard drive you want it>
Then just turn that into a zip file and upload it onto a website
The phone is not personally mine I just have limited access so the ability to dump it to a microSD card would be preferable but I'm assuming that is not possible without SU. In regards to the comment about TouchWiz not being android, this OS is android based but very modified to appear as TouchWiz, the one thing I really like about it is the fact that your icons/widgets are not restricted to a grid as stock android is, you can place the icons wherever you like not just within the 4x4 square we all know. Also the 3 home pages can have different backgrounds and moving from page to page appears to be a 3d cube from the inside. Thanks for the help so far.
-Taiyosan
Was thinking, given that Microsoft Window's 8 is based partly on Window's phone 7/7.5 etc, and Mac OS is also based on the ios software, when Android releases Ice cream sandwich, would it be possible to produce a PC version? Kind of like a linux version, open source etc seeing as it contains a linux kernel.
Given that it would only run on ARM to start would mean limitations, but surely there would be a way to build a new boot system or kernel to work on non-ARM devices? Sure, it would be a lot of work etc but it could be tied in to the android market, and offer lots more flexibility to the system.
Seeing as Google released the chromeOS, why couldn't the android devs have a crack, I don't know, just rambling on. Let me know what you think below and get a few ideas rolling
Sure.
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Was thinking, given that Microsoft Window's 8 is based partly on Window's phone 7/7.5 etc, and Mac OS is also based on the ios software, when Android releases Ice cream sandwich, would it be possible to produce a PC version? Kind of like a linux version, open source etc seeing as it contains a linux kernel.
Given that it would only run on ARM to start would mean limitations, but surely there would be a way to build a new boot system or kernel to work on non-ARM devices? Sure, it would be a lot of work etc but it could be tied in to the android market, and offer lots more flexibility to the system.
Seeing as Google released the chromeOS, why couldn't the android devs have a crack, I don't know, just rambling on. Let me know what you think below and get a few ideas rolling
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There is android x86 already. it works well. if I'm right is android having a cursor and everything. its just hidden.
Windows 8 contains Windows Phone like Elements Yes.
and iOS on iDevices is like a ripped version of MAC OSX.
As you might have seen. Intel and Google are making phones together now.
With an x86 Intel Atom CPU If I'm right. also will ICS Have 32Bit Support.
Haha about 10 minutes after posting this just found the x86 version, will have a look at it, see what can be done with it and just play
Follow this guide=> http://www.androidsim.net/2011/08/how-to-37-install-android-on-virtual.html
WiFi works also if you know how to set it up
the x86 version of Android is still fall off to be use-able
it is fund, but most of the apps in Market are not compatible
so you have to basically port all the apps that you want to use to run on a x86 architecture instead of ARM architecture
First let me say "Hello", I have been using another Android 2.0 tablet/e-reader device for 18months but kept having WiFi issues so when Dell offered the Streak-7 w/Android 3.0.X installed at close out {and rumors of a user created 4.X being tested} I purchased one and have been learning about its quarks...
The main question I have right now is.. can I add launching windows from the current stock number (5?) to something else (7) with out having to load a different "Home" launcher? (Had been using ''LauncherPro'' on my other device.) or can I add "Folders" which would open up as a launching window?
I have not rooted or other wise changed the basic factory shipped version other than getting most of my apps moved over.
The stock android launchers are very inflexable, pretty much the only thing that's adjustable at all are the size of widgets in 3.2+. Anything else is pretty much what it looks like and not changable.
If it's important enough you're gonna need to use a different launcher like launcherpro previously mentioned.
Thanks
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The stock android launchers are very inflexable, pretty much the only thing that's adjustable at all are the size of widgets in 3.2+. Anything else is pretty much what it looks like and not changable.
If it's important enough you're gonna need to use a different launcher like launcherpro previously mentioned.
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Thanks for the fast reply! I really like the blue glow of the current launcher, and have always disliked the idea of paying of skins, but may just have to go that route.
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DVD2955 said:
First let me say "Hello", I have been using another Android 2.0 tablet/e-reader device for 18months but kept having WiFi issues so when Dell offered the Streak-7 w/Android 3.0.X installed at close out {and rumors of a user created 4.X being tested} I purchased one and have been learning about its quarks...
The main question I have right now is.. can I add launching windows from the current stock number (5?) to something else (7) with out having to load a different "Home" launcher? (Had been using ''LauncherPro'' on my other device.) or can I add "Folders" which would open up as a launching window?
I have not rooted or other wise changed the basic factory shipped version other than getting most of my apps moved over.
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In the beginning there weren't any launchers compatible with tablets, but now I think all the best ones are... My personal favorites are ADW EX and GO Launcher, so if you hate to pay, then I would go the Go Launcher route, it's what I run on my Streak 5 since I got it and they are constantly making it better
Hi, this is probably in the wrong section.
Does anyone manufacture a head unit running Linux, something for which I can just download a debian ARM iso and install from a usb stick/sd card? From what I can find it seems not to be the case. Why not? Why is android so prevalent?
I also have a question. I just bought an E46 with an eonon GA5150 which is MTCB-KLD-v2.30. I updated from 4.2.2 to 4.4.4 with Malaysk's ROM, but not the MCU, and now audio doesn't work at all. How should I begin to troubleshoot this issue?
Thanks, to a community I should have joined many years ago.
Answer to the first question is...um...well Android is running a Linux kernal...so...you can make the case it's running Linux (or a forky version at least).
As far as running Debian ARM on the typical SoC in these head units, I think it's very likely possible...if you are willing to write the drivers or chase them down (if they exist). And configure the system...it's not a super mountain to climb, but I doubt it's something that already exist. At least in binary format that you could put on an a USB key and install.
In fact, you would have to create a custom Debian build, most likely, and use a bootloader that is normally setup for Android (guessing on that one) to install it. There is no technical reason it should not work, just no one has bothered to do it. We already have Android, what does Debian Linux buy us?
Why run Android? Well, it's because that's where the focus of the development effort is for the kinds of apps you would most likely want to use in a car. My opinion is that's why these head units exist in the first place. The vast number of really good (and admittedly incredible number of poor) apps already exist...let's tap into them!
If you really want to run Linux in the car for some reason or another, there are other options out there...might look for "carputers" or "car PCs". I think a lot of folks who are determined to run Open Source car computers are now running Raspberry Pi (or similar) SBCs..seems to be a lot of that type of projects on Google, when you do a search.
On the second question...about your head unit's ROM issues, I defer to the experts on here.
fortune80211 said:
Hi, this is probably in the wrong section.
Does anyone manufacture a head unit running Linux, something for which I can just download a debian ARM iso and install from a usb stick/sd card? From what I can find it seems not to be the case. Why not? Why is android so prevalent?
I also have a question. I just bought an E46 with an eonon GA5150 which is MTCB-KLD-v2.30. I updated from 4.2.2 to 4.4.4 with Malaysk's ROM, but not the MCU, and now audio doesn't work at all. How should I begin to troubleshoot this issue?
Thanks, to a community I should have joined many years ago.
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Yeah, @tbd2k2 is right - Android IS Linux, albeit one that uses a very old Linux kernel (google is trying to rectify this but its gonna take years).
There are versions of Ubuntu (Debian based) that run on RK3188 devices, so I m sure someone who is experienced enough could make an Ubuntu ROM for MTCB/C units, but it would involve making all the MTC apps work with it too.
Thank you
What exactly are the mtc apps? What are they needed for? (Do you have a link I can read?) What kind of drivers would I need to write and how would I find what they are if I were to attempt something like this myself?
The reason I ask is that it seems to me that it's very difficult to update software on these head units. It takes a very specialised piece of software and it's impossible to keep up to date.
If these head units were just generic arm PCs then people could install whatever they wanted. I agree that most people would want to install android, but even then the situation would be simpler. Aren't these head units just 12V DC in, audio and video out with additional drivers for GPS, WiFi etc?.
fortune80211 said:
Thank you
What exactly are the mtc apps? What are they needed for? (Do you have a link I can read?) What kind of drivers would I need to write and how would I find what they are if I were to attempt something like this myself?
The reason I ask is that it seems to me that it's very difficult to update software on these head units. It takes a very specialised piece of software and it's impossible to keep up to date.
If these head units were just generic arm PCs then people could install whatever they wanted. I agree that most people would want to install android, but even then the situation would be simpler. Aren't these head units just 12V DC in, audio and video out with additional drivers for GPS, WiFi etc?.
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Read the wiki in my signature, it will answer all your questions.
"Very difficult to update" ? - what makes you think that ? - its as easy as you like - put update on sd card go to settings/updates hit "update", or hold down power and reset, release reset, release power to get into recovery and install update by clicking on it, very easy.
Sorry, I didn't mean in that sense.
I mean that if you want to run something obscure, it's not possible. If you want to run an app that only runs on later versions of android, it's not possible. The actual installation is as easy as can be, but you are limited to a small selection of android ROMs.
I realise that it's the way it is for a reason and I'm very grateful to the community of developers here who have contributed so much. I'm just looking for something different and wouldn't mind a project for myself.
Thanks
EDIT: Also, recently Linux operating systems (Ubuntu), and even windows are moving toward touchscreens. There's a huge amount of present and future development effort we could tap into if our hardware was compatible.
I have been a Unix/Linux IT professional for more than 25 years, and it also happens that electronics is my hobby, and I have build many things in recent years powered by Linux using the great new small boards such as Rasbperry Pi's, Beaglebone, Orange, etc.. including weather stations, wall clocks/electronic displays, radio receivers, etc.
BUT, Even I would not use a generic Linux system in place of these purpose built android devices. Using android which has a wealth of high quality apps dedicated to mobile device use for GPS, Maps, media, etc is infinitely more practical.
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Sorry, I didn't mean in that sense.
I mean that if you want to run something obscure, it's not possible. If you want to run an app that only runs on later versions of android, it's not possible.
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Are you talking about apps not showing up in the Playstore or not installing when sideloaded ?
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The actual installation is as easy as can be, but you are limited to a small selection of android ROMs.
I realise that it's the way it is for a reason and I'm very grateful to the community of developers here who have contributed so much. I'm just looking for something different and wouldn't mind a project for myself.
EDIT: Also, recently Linux operating systems (Ubuntu), and even windows are moving toward touchscreens. There's a huge amount of present and future development effort we could tap into if our hardware was compatible.
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nixfu said:
I have been a Unix/Linux IT professional for more than 25 years, and it also happens that electronics is my hobby, and I have build many things in recent years powered by Linux using the great new small boards such as Rasbperry Pi's, Beaglebone, Orange, etc.. including weather stations, wall clocks/electronic displays, radio receivers, etc.
BUT, Even I would not use a generic Linux system in place of these purpose built android devices. Using android which has a wealth of high quality apps dedicated to mobile device use for GPS, Maps, media, etc is infinitely more practical.
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I ve been using Ubuntu since 2009 and I ve been following the development of Ubuntu Touch for phones/tablets for a while as well - I d love it but until someone gets ART running on Ubuntu Touch so you can use Touch apps (which can also run on Ubuntu desktops) AND Android apps, I wont be using it (and I dont think many others will either) for precisely the reason that @nixfu says - I dont wanna loose access to all the apps available for android.
nixfu said:
I have been a Unix/Linux IT professional for more than 25 years, and it also happens that electronics is my hobby, and I have build many things in recent years powered by Linux using the great new small boards such as Rasbperry Pi's, Beaglebone, Orange, etc.. including weather stations, wall clocks/electronic displays, radio receivers, etc.
BUT, Even I would not use a generic Linux system in place of these purpose built android devices. Using android which has a wealth of high quality apps dedicated to mobile device use for GPS, Maps, media, etc is infinitely more practical.
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Look at this one: https://www.stepstone.de/stellenang...d-Unit-f-m-Ulm-BMW-Group--4333376-inline.html
BMW is obviously trying to work on exactly that; trying to professionally use Linux for Car Entertainment
I've pulled apart the system image for the 2016 and 2017 Kenwood units and it's just a QT app on top of the Linux kernel.
Sony's XAV-AX100 is the same and i'm pretty sure the new Pioneers are the same now they've dumped Android.
Once you stop them booting into the GUI app and get a console, you've got a Linux system with good enough hardware to play with.
All three also have sites where you can get the code for things like the kernel that they have to make available.
leonkernan said:
I've pulled apart the system image for the 2016 and 2017 Kenwood units and it's just a QT app on top of the Linux kernel.
Sony's XAV-AX100 is the same and i'm pretty sure the new Pioneers are the same now they've dumped Android.
Once you stop them booting into the GUI app and get a console, you've got a Linux system with good enough hardware to play with.
All three also have sites where you can get the code for things like the kernel that they have to make available.
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Sounds great, I guess you could even run Android apps on them as you can do that on a Linux desktop.
Google search i-carus (raspberry pi based)
Give that a go
So Google's Android OS replacement has been blowing up all over the place, and I know it is early days, but what are the chances that we'd be able to see this on our Exynos devices?
(info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fuchsia)
After looking at the early UI pics, I'm not to impressed. Multiple windows onscreen would work well on a tablet but not on a smartphone. But given time and tweaks it may turn out to be something new and refreshing. Many OS's have come and gone.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/googles-fuchsia-smartphone-os-dumps-linux-has-a-wild-new-ui/
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After looking at the early UI pics, I'm not to impressed. Multiple windows onscreen would work well on a tablet but not on a smartphone. But given time and tweaks it may turn out to be something new and refreshing. Many OS's have come and gone.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/googles-fuchsia-smartphone-os-dumps-linux-has-a-wild-new-ui/
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It's still a project, projects usually generate parts to be used in other stuff (like the google wave, remember? There's a lot of parts from google wave used in other applications, inbox is one example).
Even if this project doesn't walk as a new solution (in my opinion, it will be better as is if will not be a better solution than android, and personally I find this UI showed pretty annoying, but yeah its just an early preview), at least they'll use what they discovered for other solutions, maybe an optional launcher for android, who knows.