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http://gizmodo.com/5536898/apple-hits-back-at-claims-of-androids-larger-sales
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Glad to know
They should be!
They are going down..................

They are starting to rott at this very moment!

Yeah the latest comments from Cupertino always hit the I'm With Adobe FB group and we laughed hysterically when this one came around.
Denial, much?

You guys crack me up, Are " you " in denial much ?
Apple makes ONE phone yes ONe, One, oNe, yes 1 phone. In the 1Q they cornered 7 percent of the market with a year old phone. With one phone. How many Android phones are there ?
Even though everyone knows the new 4G is coming out in June, they still sold 7% of the market, with ONE phone . How many Nexus One's did Google sell ? 7% of the market ? No !.....How many Eris' did HTC sell ? 7% of the market ? Hero's , MyTouches, Desires, Incredibles ? Not even with Verzion " giving " them away 2 for 1. ( The giveaway phones were added into the survey of course)
Seriously, Apple has sold 50 million iPhones, does anyone not in denial, really think that Motorola is going to sell 50 million Droids ?
Apple is really quaking. Wake me after the 4G comes out and Verizon stops having to giveaway phones to get people to buy them, and then see if the numbers change.
Or better yet wake me when Google sells 50 million Nexus Ones,

As much as we hate it, he's right. One phone on one carrier that's almost one year old makes 7% of the marketshare with a new one already known to come out. Their are soooo many Windows Mobile and Android phones on several different carriers, even if they did sell as much or come close to that ammount, Apple still has it beat with one phone, one carrier, one year old when everyone knew a new one was being released! I by no means even have one bit of likeness (is it even a word) for Apple but they are successful. It's just a fad like everything else. Eventually their will be something newer and better,

froggylover1345 said:
As much as we hate it, he's right. One phone on one carrier that's almost one year old makes 7% of the marketshare with a new one already known to come out. Their are soooo many Windows Mobile and Android phones on several different carriers, even if they did sell as much or come close to that ammount, Apple still has it beat with one phone, one carrier, one year old when everyone knew a new one was being released! I by no means even have one bit of likeness (is it even a word) for Apple but they are successful. It's just a fad like everything else. Eventually their will be something newer and better,
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If Google was arrogant and conceited enough to put all their eggs in one basket, I'm sure they'd be outselling the iPhone right about now. The novelty is over. As novelty fades, functionality takes over (see Nintendo's recent drop in sales for more information). But the reality is that Google isn't dumb enough to monopolize the hardware and instead spreads their OS across multiple hardware platforms. Even Microsoft knows this. That being said, expect a continued increase in Android dominance.
Apple's desire to control the public and the market in general has negative side effects. As much as I hate Apple, they could DOUBLE their profits if they released their OS to PCs. Instead, they'd rather control the market and eventually face tons of monopoly lawsuits in the future, eventually forcing them to comply with the public desire.
It's sad when Apple fanboys don't get it. Saying that they did that with one phone, one OS, on one carrier means absolutely nothing. The proof is in numbers. You can't say that if they released it on many different hardware units on many carriers then they would dominate. Why? Because they didn't do it. It's not their strategy. And thus, because they chose so, they have now been lapped. I still have yet to make sense of why Apple defends their exclusive contract with AT&T. They could easily triple their profits if they came out with a CDMA version (yet their exclusive contract goes to 2012).
And talk all you want about 4G but most people have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to the next generation. AT&T 4G is at least a year out. AT&T is next releasing a 3G+ expansion, but even that will be behind (and sometimes relying on) T-Mobile's 3G+ network. Sprint claims to have 4G ready (even though all 4G tests in the US show similar speeds to 3G+), but only in a few markets. CDMA carriers will be ready for 4G roll-out beyond the top 10 metros in 2012. But leave it to Apple fanboys to think 4G (maturing in 2012) is months away, especially since they also seem to think HTML5 is months away (2022 for maturity).
You're definitely right. Apple sold ONE phone. ONE PHONE. And took 7% of the market. That's definitely amazing. Think about what they could do if they sold 10 phones! You're absolutely right. Think about it. But not too much, because they were dumb enough not to. And now, they have been lapped. Oops. I guess we now know the part of the body responsible for long-term marketing and consumer satisfaction is actually located in the liver (a part Jobs recently traded out).
Hypotheticals can't be used as an argument. The iPhone could have very well sold 4 times as much as Android and Windows phones combined, if they marketed different phones and different carriers. But they didn't. And so they lose. Unfortunately, Apple and their fanboys won't learn the lesson that's pretty obvious to everyone else.

Sure, it's easy to sell 50 million toys compared to classy high tech devices!

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You're definitely right. Apple sold ONE phone. ONE PHONE. And took 7% of the market. That's definitely amazing. Think about what they could do if they sold 10 phones! You're absolutely right. Think about it. But not too much, because they were dumb enough not to. And now, they have been lapped. Oops. I guess we now know the part of the body responsible for long-term marketing and consumer satisfaction is actually located in the liver (a part Jobs recently traded out).
Hypotheticals can't be used as an argument. The iPhone could have very well sold 4 times as much as Android and Windows phones combined, if they marketed different phones and different carriers. But they didn't. And so they lose. Unfortunately, Apple and their fanboys won't learn the lesson that's pretty obvious to everyone else.
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Apple has learned their lesson, a lesson Google is about to learn
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1594673/popularity-killing-android

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Apple has learned their lesson, a lesson Google is about to learn
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1594673/popularity-killing-android
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hahaha, a long article attempting to claim closed systems are better. Nice. Considering Google is the leading company when it comes to push updates (balanced nicely without saying "F U" to their customers). Software and OTA updates are still relatively new in the mobile field. Even Windows Mobile 6.5 has a Windows Update function that has never been used! Google pushed multitouch OTA. Who else has done that? Android will continue to gain steam as they cater to developers (Oops, Apple dropped the ball on that one). They will gain steam as Android becomes the popular technology device to purchase, that also includes the ability to do things for less money.
I'm pretty confident in Google. I have a Windows Mobile phone, so I'm not necessarily against seeing different versions of an OS floating around as a bad thing. If you're Android phone doesn't have the ability to update to the latest OS, then go out and buy another one that does. Apple fanboys purchase updated hardware for less of a difference.
It's a shame for all Apple fanboys. It's like Yankee fans dealing with a losing season by talking about pennants from 1923 (like anyone cares about 1923).
(at least we can agree that we hate the Yankees, denco7 )
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Trying to choose where to work: At&T or Verizon

what's up guys.
long time member, but i dont post much... i use the search button ALOT!
but i did have a question about an employment oppurtunity....
i have two sales rep positions i got offered and i dont know which one to go with, being with ATT and Verizon.
i try to do extensive research before i make a major decision b/c i'm just coming out of college and want to embed myself within a company and grow as high as possible...
my situation: just graduated college, and attending school in Dallas to work on my masters in Finance.
i've made a bit of a list, but still torn between the two.
ATT: part time (30 hours) at 12.75 plus commision... they said i get a phone, business cards, and tons of discounts. They offer tuition reimbursement, but i'm not sure how much... also, the company headquarters are located IN the city i'm going to school in. the store is full of OLDER people, so i know i could do well in sales being the new young guy...
plus, there's just a different vibe in that store when i go in... its in a VERY affluent part of town (frisco and plano)
i talked to a sales associate that was part time and he said he raked in $45K last year... so i think i would be able to live off that! i do not know the structure of the commision, though, so i dont know how possible that is.
Verizon: full time... havent discussed my hourly , perks, or extras (if yall have any info on that, please let me know). They offer tuition reimbursement as well, but its for MAX 8K...
looks like the store is full of younger guys, but still older than me. its in a nice part of town as well. (flowermound, lewisville area).
i'm very torn on which one to go with. can someone please provide some insight into being a retail associate for either or both of these companies. it would be greatly appreciated.

I don't know about retail associate but i work for att as an outside plant maintenance splicer here in California and its a very good job! One of the best paying jobs in my area. And att was the second most profitable company in the USA last year behind Exxon oil. Unfortunately right now we are working without a contract as we are CWA union but so is Verizon. But i think att mobility has a different contract. Anyways just thought id give you my experience!
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Based on money, I would probably choose ATT because you said the store is full of older people and you said you get commission. A lot of times older people are easier to convince then your younger crowd, and older people are more willing to listen to a representative.
Based on happiness, I would also choose ATT because it seems like ATT is more interested in offering you the job since they have already discussed money, perks, etc, and they will be more interested in you. (That's a good thing)
Also, the Frisco/Plano area is a better place to live as it has better malls, nicer houses, better restaurants, etc.

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@Ali: that's what I've been thinking... the area is pretty nice and I think the money would flow. Being full time at Verizon would be pretty sweet. I'm not sure if I would make paper like that though.
Have you ever visited the Dallas area? Plano/Frisco is that much nicer than flowermound?
@eroracing: that's great. The thing I'm looking for most is a place to grow... I think I'm talented enough, plus I'll have the educational aspect, to make moves up the ladder.

You'll definitely get a better selection of phones from AT&T. As to work atmosphere, I feel like AT&T stores are a lot lower pressure when I go in than VZ, but VZ tends to have more customers the majority of the time. With all the switchups going on with service right now I have no idea what the future will look like, though.

to be honest, its not just about the phones...
however, the appeal of even a GSM phone would be very enticing...

Don't sell your soul to AT&T.

^^^
what makes you say that? i have to sell my soul to either att or verizon!

Verizon VS AT&T
It's been a while... Who did you actually choose? I have two opportunities for part-time with Verizon and full-time with AT&T. Just got done with my third interview for each one of them. I like AT&T better.. just the atmosphere of the stores for being a sales rep. I went to both during busy hrs and Verizon was kind of... idk careless with their customers. However, Verizon does have much better benefits but theyre not a union. I know AT&T is still amazing pay, but verizon is by far better. But i don't get the happy vibe from them as I do from AT&T... and I am looking for a long time position while I continue my education, At this point I think its either for the money/benefits or for the happy job. Also AT&T doesnt give you full benefits until after 6 months of employment, Verizon starts you from day 1. My boyfriend says I can always work my way up and if I don't like the customer service they provide at the store I can try and change that.
So i guess I answered my question. But also the co-manager that interviewed me for AT&T, he's been in the company for 2 months and just switched from Verizon after being manager for them for over 4 years. & so is their #1 Northern California sales rep. He said something within the lines of not getting enough recognition. If I get the offers I want to make sure I make the right choice. Can you please let me know which one you ended up picking, that'd be very very helpful ... thank you

Intentional hype?

Am I the only one here thinking that it was part of google's plan to make it look like they sold a bunch of N4s in order to get the media's attention by bragging about how many they sold? Just Google: "nexus 4 sold out". You will find many websites reporting that nexus 4 are selling like hot cakes/or are sold out. I'm going to have to look at the next news paper, I bet we will see it in the headlines. This is wonderful news for Google. Great advertisement.
More over I would like to know what you guys think of this. Don't you think that such a rich company like Google would have for seen this?
Also the fact that the number of sold devices are not being reported, wouldn't that indicate that the amount of devices are actually not that much after all? (mentioning the # of sold units would discredit their bragging right? - Of course, only if it is not high)
Chances are they have a lot on stock but want to sell only a certain amount for the time being.
Now what would concern me is, if it actually is the truth that they ran out of supply. I mean, LG? There are few people who have faith in LG, their android update policy is enough to associate that company with incompetence.
Even with the nexus phone being an LG, they already managed to leave a bad impression in countries with no play store by announcing a price which could be nearly up to double the price of the nexus 4 in the play store.
What if LG is not able to keep up with demand? What is your say? What do you think is going on?
I visited a site that mentioned that Google has done this before, in order to see how high the demand is and to fulfill the needs a few days/weeks/month later. Was not following the galaxy nexus sale , anyone that experienced this here?
Hope this thread doesn't get closed, I could imagine some interesting discussion going on

no, just scumbags trying to make a profit by hogging all the stock

AznDud333 said:
no, just scumbags trying to make a profit by hogging all the stock
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I think it its engineered, why not Apple do it all the time

Naw, I mean, there really weren't any commercials over it or anything. Google has the money to spend on advertising for it, but they honestly didn't. I feel they just weren't too sure on when to do it themselves and that we were probably making more out of it than needed to be.

dahmmy said:
I think it its engineered, why not Apple do it all the time
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google's site never lags
it lagged today.

It's a big global conspiracy to ruin your day. Mission accomplished.

If this was Apple then, yes, I would believe it was intentional but honestly the server was crashing. What I saw you can't fake. It was like a DDoS attack. That server was basically brought to its knees. SERIOUSLY.
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Ravynmagi said:
It's a big global conspiracy to ruin your day. Mission accomplished.
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The Illuminati. Yes! They are watching us!
@above: hmmm. I prefer Lg is incompetent

I think it may be a combination of Google's lack of concern about their customers combined with a poor working relationship with LG. I don't think Google wants publicity about this launch because they and LG won't come off looking too good. Google must have thought it was getting more units from LG because they had indicated they would sell the Nexus 4 via Playstore in the Netherlands and Belgium. Then at the last minute, they had to cancel those commitments because they didn't get enough units from LG. At the same time, non-US carriers selling the phone at a much higher price than Google got units ahead of launch time so their customers could physically have the phone today. Hence, you have a number of users posting threads here about problems with their brand new Nexus 4 phones, which they have in hand. So, LG shorted Google to send phones to vendors that sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price. I suspect the whole sales cycle of this phone may be marked by problems between Google and LG, resulting in supply shortages for the lower priced Google-sold phones. If consumers want the phone and don't want to wait for weeks at a time between LG's periodic shipment of a meager supply to Google, you may be forced to buy from other vendors at a higher price or, in the US, a contract commitment to T-Mobile. It looks like Google + LG= oil + water; they don't mix well.

mke1973 said:
I think it may be a combination of Google's lack of concern about their customers combined with a poor working relationship with LG. I don't think Google wants publicity about this launch because they and LG won't come off looking too good. Google must have thought it was getting more units from LG because they had indicated they would sell the Nexus 4 via Playstore in the Netherlands and Belgium. Then at the last minute, they had to cancel those commitments because they didn't get enough units from LG. At the same time, non-US carriers selling the phone at a much higher price than Google got units ahead of launch time so their customers could physically have the phone today. Hence, you have a number of users posting threads here about problems with their brand new Nexus 4 phones, which they have in hand. So, LG shorted Google to send phones to vendors that sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price. I suspect the whole sales cycle of this phone may be marked by problems between Google and LG, resulting in supply shortages for the lower priced Google-sold phones. If consumers want the phone and don't want to wait for weeks at a time between LG's periodic shipment of a meager supply to Google, you may be forced to buy from other vendors at a higher price or, in the US, a contract commitment to T-Mobile. It looks like Google + LG= oil + water; they don't mix well.
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.... Or maybe not. That's quite the stretch.

shadehh said:
Also the fact that the number of sold devices are not being reported, wouldn't that indicate that the amount of devices are actually not that much after all? (mentioning the # of sold units would discredit their bragging right? - Of course, only if it is not high)
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It is Google's policy not to release sales figures. So it indicates absolutely nothing. Asus released some Nexus 7 sales figures last month and apparently Google was not too happy.

This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.

FallN said:
If this was Apple then, yes, I would believe it was intentional but honestly the server was crashing. What I saw you can't fake. It was like a DDoS attack. That server was basically brought to its knees. SERIOUSLY.
Sent from my Nexus 7
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very true... i had an N4 in my cart 8 times today (EIGHT freakin times) and each and every time i tried to proceed, i got that craptastic yellow banner telling me that something happened on the back end. their servers were absolutely hammered.

PincheKeith said:
This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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I'm happy with the low price and even if I have to wait a year to get a nexus 4 I'm so happy Google set new standards. I don't find the price too cheap, they could have easily added 50 bucks more for all I care. But I'm glad they set new standards for great hardware all others phone manufacturers must now adjust

I waited all day, from 3:00 AM EST when it was SUPPOSED to launch, to 12:00 PM EST when the "second" launch time was "announced", resulting in two times in which the "Add to Cart" button popped up but didn't work after clicking through. The minute I step inside my house, I rush to my computer, and see a nice, red SOLD OUT sign.
It had to be either a) testing the waters in terms of demand for the device (highly unlikely), b) a publicity stunt in order to garner more (free) attention for the Nexus4 (as we say it, any publicity is good publicity), or c) as stated a shortage of devices as a result between miscommunication/communication breakdowns between LG and Google.
Thoroughly disappointed. I sold my phone (GNexus) in the hopes of upgrading for very little $, and now I'm stuck with no phone at all.

oceansaber said:
I waited all day, from 3:00 AM EST when it was SUPPOSED to launch, to 12:00 PM EST when the "second" launch time was "announced", resulting in two times in which the "Add to Cart" button popped up but didn't work after clicking through. The minute I step inside my house, I rush to my computer, and see a nice, red SOLD OUT sign.
It had to be either a) testing the waters in terms of demand for the device (highly unlikely), b) a publicity stunt in order to garner more (free) attention for the Nexus4 (as we say it, any publicity is good publicity), or c) as stated a shortage of devices as a result between miscommunication/communication breakdowns between LG and Google.
Thoroughly disappointed. I sold my phone (GNexus) in the hopes of upgrading for very little $, and now I'm stuck with no phone at all.
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man, i feel you. i sold my gnex and my backup (g2x) device in anticipation of the nexus 4. I'm old and tired. So, i'm just going to go to my tmobile store and pick up a note 2. I got one for my wife last week and she has been completely satisfied with it. I'll re-evaluate the state of android in a couple months, whereby I might sell the note 2 to finally get the nexus 4. we'll see.

If you believe that its all a conspiracy, put your aluminum foil hat back on and go sit in the corner.

PincheKeith said:
This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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Finally someone who understand economics.
Put gas half price today. Guess what will happen. Even if gas stations prepared. EVERYONE will gas and you can't prepare for that. Supply is driven by how valuable it is to sell. Demand is determined by how much value you get. They released a 600$ phone at 300$. Take off your tinfoil hats and go to school.

There is no conspiracy. We are talking about about a relatively small cell phone player in LG and a device with a small profit margin. Considering that both these companies are banking on the same profit model, ie, google wants large volume sales for ads and LG wants large volume to compensate for smaller net profits per phone. With the next big phone literally always around the corner, to delay sales in any way is very bad for both companies.

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I don't find the price too cheap, they could have easily added 50 bucks more for all I care.
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Then it is too cheap If people are willing to pay $400 or $450, and they sell it for $350, that's too cheap. That's why demand is (and should be!) so high.
I don't think they did this intentionally, they have a great device at a great price and it sold out.

The Peterson Group Fraud Company Failed Promises

I have a retailer business here in Singapore. We sell mobile phone accessories along with our retails of the latest mobile phones. The Peterson Group was introduced to me by a friend of mine when my distributor failed to meet my needs. At first, it was a good deal. They have the latest model of almost all accessories in the market. They showed us samples and made great deals for us. Since we are new partners, they even threw some free accessories in the package as well.
They have nice staff, very accommodating. My business clicked and many people came to us since the products that we have are fresh from the market and we are on the lead compared to our competitors. While their product is still being shipped, ours are already nearly out of stock. I was even dreaming of expanding our business, renting stalls in big malls or even bring my business to Jakarta, Indonesia where my wife’s family resides. However though, the reality became a nightmare when about 3 months after I signed contract with The Peterson Group, the complaints on our products’ defect came frequently. We dealt with angry and frustrated customers. We know this is normal in this kind of business and we dealt each complaint with patience.
There were times that I was even the one who defended TPG and thought that maybe some of the customers break their chargers in purpose to get a refund. When one customer threatened to sue of having fraud products, it is when I became alarmed. The test and sample products seemed to be working but why is it that the deliveries are not working when they should be? I tried contacting TPG about this. After hundreds of connecting calls to so many people and telling my story a few thousand more, I was finally promised that they would conduct an investigation on this. I decided to give them a chance to redeem themselves. After two weeks, no one came and when I called, I get connected to voicemail and no one called me back. I now know that I have been deceived. I don’t want others to lose thousands of dollars like me. I am now working with my attorney on legal actions that I can take against them.

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You have to sue them, dude. It is against the law to sell defected products.

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Heard of this issue a year ago but wasn’t sure the details behind it.

Every business has its own flaws. It may be that they just made a huge miscalculation at that time.

How do these scammers even get away from bad things they do? As I know it, The Peterson Group is one of the leading wholesalers of mobile accessories in Asia. Is this account true?

Is The Peterson Group still operating until now? How far will they be able to fool everyone?

There are a lot of fraud people especially in these kinds of business. With a lot of available products around offering the same brand, you would not know which one is legit.

I don’t think The Peterson Group can do this kind of thing. I have been with them for a few years now and nothing like this happened.

Same issue for me.
Same issue for me. But I wasn’t able to realize it before hand since the communication was constant. First, they were not able to deliver my products on time which caused me precious business time and kept me from reaching my monthly goal quota. The representative I talked to said that they were having big update on their shipping lines which halted some of their operations but I was promised that they are to deliver in one week’s time. I relented. They delivered after a week and a day. I let it pass. One time, when my staff was showing the functionality of one of the accessories to a potential customer, it suddenly burst into flames. The shame that I have felt in front of that shocked customer was really to the core. It also caused us a lot of money and I even suspended my staff, thinking that he has demonstrated wrong while we do the investigations. Our electrics engineer checked and it showed that there are defects on the product itself. We also checked the other deliveries and it confirmed that the products have been created from different parts of dismantled brands. I immediately contacted The Peterson Group regarding this. To make the matters worse, complaints started pouring out as well from emails, calls and personal means. I decided to end it when they weren’t able to give me anymore excuses. I am now with a different distributor.

I am actually wondering how they get away with it? They even hire people around to get involved. I hear they are a big company. How do they manage to fool even the government?

Note 8 is my last Samsung product

I have used Samsung for a long time (including the Note 7 fiasco) and have many of their products in my house. I like using Samsung Pay, except it doesn't work on Apple Pay capable terminals in my area, but they have now gone too far. I'm done.
My rewards points were substantial. I was not aware they expired so I was just letting them roll. I tonight find out that they do expire and they have all been devalued at some time in February of this year I think. This devaluation has cost me $120+! There was no grandfathering or adjusting existing points with this unannounced and uninformed change. Further accumulating points has also been cut in half, basically.
If you take the time to dig you can find out about the expiring points on the Samsung Site, but you MUST dig. I was told by more than one Samsung Rep that they did NOT expire. If Samsung were a decent company it would appear in the FAQs. There is nothing anywhere about the devaluation of existing points, a $100 card went from 40,000 to 50,000 points or 20%!
They could have emailed notice of the redemption change, or prorated the old points, or grandfathered the redemption rate on old points, but nope. Nothing. Nada. Basically, we are taking back some of that money we promised you when you bought our product, too bad. I'm done with their big company bullying.
Does this break the bank? Of course not. It is the principle. There is too much decent competition out there and I'll live without Samsung Pay. By the time I buy another phone the world around here may have caught up and it will not be "special" anyway.
So if you have Samsung Rewards points, sorry about your luck.

Well, I can see your point, very valid as you expected some benefits when you made your purchase, but for many people, like me, the only reason to buy a note 8 was the device itself, I really did not care about points, bonuses, gifts, bundled goodies, etc, I just wanted the supberb device the note 8 is, but that is my opinion

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Well, I can see your point, very valid as you expected some benefits when you made your purchase, but for many people, like me, the only reason to buy a note 8 was the device itself, I really did not care about points, bonuses, gifts, bundled goodies, etc, I just wanted the supberb device the note 8 is, but that is my opinion
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Same all that extra ish....I never cared for.....am i even a loyal Samsung guy....no....even tho i favored Samsung phones over others from note 3 to 8....from Samsung epic 4g(s2) to s8+...
The only thing that would make me leave Samsung phones are the locked bootloader...but guess what it's still locked and I'm still here because the phones are just to good to pass on.....points? Meh.....but I do get it....its the principal of just letting us know....

I too normally feel that way about points programs. But this was a $200 rebate that is now $100 and other rebates from item purchases. I may have bought the products without the rebates IDK.
Samsung said at the ti. e of the purchase "here's the deal", paid me off in points, then reduced the value of the points WITHOUT notice. They retroactively changed the terms of the sale.
I dont buy Apple products because of company practices, so now Samsung has grown too big and developed that same "Do as we want to the customer" practice. Tired of their lies. What is the next lie to me?

Phredeee said:
I tonight find out that they do expire and they have all been devalued at some time in February of this year I think.
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Yes the points you earn were cut in half, yet the cost of items have remained the same which will take you twice as long to get something. I have been occasionally using Samsung Pay to get the $20 gift-card at 6000 points since they cut the points in half then I am probably dropping it. It was a great incentive to use Samsung pay but now it will take forever to get anything which makes the point system dang near useless. The only reason I may still use Samsung Pay is the security regarding those "skimmers" people are using at gas pumps/etc to help cut back on someone stealing my credit card number, even though it still happens every couple years or so...

Samsung Rewards rip-off
xbmoyx said:
..., yet the cost of items have remained the same .....
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Not true. The cost of items increased by 20%. See my example of a $100 rewards card increase from 40,000 points to 50,000 points. This happened across the board on the Rewards Cards. I've heard that gift cards and Samsung product redemptions also increased but can't confirm.
So it is a double whammy for their customers. You earn less AND it takes more at redemption. Done without notice or concern for their existing customers.
Sure, companies revamp their rewards programs. But they either pro rate existing points or notify the customer of upcoming changes or both. Samsung did neither.

Phredeee said:
Not true. The cost of items increased by 20%. See my example of a $100 rewards card increase from 40,000 points to 50,000 points. This happened across the board on the Rewards Cards. I've heard that gift cards and Samsung product redemptions also increased but can't confirm.
So it is a double whammy for their customers. You earn less AND it takes more at redemption. Done without notice or concern for their existing customers.
Sure, companies revamp their rewards programs. But they either pro rate existing points or notify the customer of upcoming changes or both. Samsung did neither.
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I believe there was a notification on the SamsungPay app/ email (I do not remember which or both). So, they are not deceptive. Maybe you missed it/ blatantly choose to ignore it?
Also, when you signup for Samsung Pay, it clearly says points expire after 1 year, so....
Sure, they did not grandfather the point values, but, those are points and if you really wanted to get something, you should have redeemed it. There is no reason to flak a company if you did not take pains to understand how and when the points expire. If its hurting your bottom line so much, did you try calling SamsungPay support and talk to them and inform about your concern? I have done that multiple times and they have been reasonable.
Reward programs and all will always change at the will of the company, thats what they mention in the fine print. So, if you "agreed" to the terms, you have little to no choice. As an individual, if you want to stop buying Samsung products, sure, its your choice. Will it change Samsung or anyone else? Not really. C'est la vie!

xbmoyx said:
Yes the points you earn were cut in half, yet the cost of items have remained the same which will take you twice as long to get something. I have been occasionally using Samsung Pay to get the $20 gift-card at 6000 points since they cut the points in half then I am probably dropping it. It was a great incentive to use Samsung pay but now it will take forever to get anything which makes the point system dang near useless. The only reason I may still use Samsung Pay is the security regarding those "skimmers" people are using at gas pumps/etc to help cut back on someone stealing my credit card number, even though it still happens every couple years or so...
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myechophone said:
I believe there was a notification on the SamsungPay app/ email (I do not remember which or both). So, they are not deceptive. Maybe you missed it/ blatantly choose to ignore it?
Also, when you signup for Samsung Pay, it clearly says points expire after 1 year, so....
Sure, they did not grandfather the point values, but, those are points and if you really wanted to get something, you should have redeemed it. There is no reason to flak a company if you did not take pains to understand how and when the points expire. If its hurting your bottom line so much, did you try calling SamsungPay support and talk to them and inform about your concern? I have done that multiple times and they have been reasonable.
Reward programs and all will always change at the will of the company, thats what they mention in the fine print. So, if you "agreed" to the terms, you have little to no choice. As an individual, if you want to stop buying Samsung products, sure, its your choice. Will it change Samsung or anyone else? Not really. C'est la vie!
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I received no notice. or I surely would not have chosen to lose over $100 by choice. Certainly not blatantly.
"...if you really wanted to get something, you should have redeemed it..." Really!? Is it not reasonable to let points accumulate in order to reach a desired goal?
If you read my post you will see where I mention it is not about my bottom line. Yes, I have spoken to SamsungPay support 4 times in the last day. Explaining each time, each time there is nothing offered, NOTHING. Realizing the first tier of support is limited to their authorization I request to speak to a supervisor. Each time I'm promised a call back. None of those 4 call backs have happened. The last was 4 hours ago. That's some customer respect, eh? " Just lie to them, they will go away." Going away is exactly what I'm doing. This is just one forum where I express my feeling on the issue. Perhaps someone else notices that is shopping. IDK, maybe.
There may have been some notice of point expiration and/or change in the rules in the boilerplate fine print in the beginning. Hardly clearly by any measure. No one that I know reads the entire EULAs/terms in detail. If Samsung cared about making these details clear they would be in the FAQs. I searched for an explanation and found nothing on their web site about the redemption value change. What's clear is that they don't want it clear. They didn't want a run on the points and if they can save $100 per customer it sure does help their bottom line. Most companies phase these changes in.
No, I don't think that my rant will directly affect Samsung at all. But remember, class actions all start with a single person.

Phredeee said:
I have used Samsung for a long time (including the Note 7 fiasco) and have many of their products in my house. I like using Samsung Pay, except it doesn't work on Apple Pay capable terminals in my area, but they have now gone too far. I'm done.
My rewards points were substantial. I was not aware they expired so I was just letting them roll. I tonight find out that they do expire and they have all been devalued at some time in February of this year I think. This devaluation has cost me $120+! There was no grandfathering or adjusting existing points with this unannounced and uninformed change. Further accumulating points has also been cut in half, basically.
If you take the time to dig you can find out about the expiring points on the Samsung Site, but you MUST dig. I was told by more than one Samsung Rep that they did NOT expire. If Samsung were a decent company it would appear in the FAQs. There is nothing anywhere about the devaluation of existing points, a $100 card went from 40,000 to 50,000 points or 20%!
They could have emailed notice of the redemption change, or prorated the old points, or grandfathered the redemption rate on old points, but nope. Nothing. Nada. Basically, we are taking back some of that money we promised you when you bought our product, too bad. I'm done with their big company bullying.
Does this break the bank? Of course not. It is the principle. There is too much decent competition out there and I'll live without Samsung Pay. By the time I buy another phone the world around here may have caught up and it will not be "special" anyway.
So if you have Samsung Rewards points, sorry about your luck.
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I mean it is kind of caveat emptor. I, it seems, wisely cashed in my points every 10K for my $50 gift cards. My wife just missed out on having enough this go around. Now she has close to the 12,500 that she needs, but it will take even longer. It is a free points system though, they don't even have to offer you anything. Plus you are getting any interest you may accrue by leaving the money in your bank account and paying your credit card once a month. You also get any rewards points that card may offer. It really is double or triple dipping.
I imagine people like my wife and I are the reason they halved it and increased it. We have extra phones and maxed them out every month under normal operation. To the tune of about $40 a month when you work the math out. I can't think of any reason Samsung will lose sleep over not retaining your business. This is truly a trivial reason to boycott them. What were you saving up for anyway? A Ferrari?
Hell I can think of a few reasons that personally effect me in a much larger financial scale right off the top of my head.
Note 7. $500+
Dropped support for my Note 12.2 Pro. $500+
ARC HDMI port stopped working on my 75" TV $2000+
Don't forget Samsung is the ONLY device with MST payments. I don't even carry a wallet anymore...and I've never had a terminal that would accept ApplePay and my phone/watch not work.

please note that in the retail business, expiring points is common practice. it is also stated somehwere in the 'fine print' that was never read and tossed away.
thinking otherwise is a grave misunderstanding on your part.
Anyways, the device it self and any marketing schemes are 2 things and are 2 very different departments. Hell, samsung usa samsung canada and samsung xyz all have their own terms and conditions.
its like buying mc donalds coffee and collecting the tags to evenrually get a free coffee. well they probably expire. and if they dont that means they reserve the right to pull the promo at anytime.
the question you need to ask yourself is:
are you buying the cofee because its good or because you want a free one eventually?
i work support in the retail business and loyalty accounts, points etc is just a scheme to make you buy more. Isint this common knowledge?
At this rate, you should boycott everything if you are unhappy with the terms because samsung is just the point of the iceberg.
in the long run, the only meaningful thing that you can do is stop spending money period. they are all out there to get you.
now with all these pay pass technologies you can spend even faster to accumulate more points to then spend them again etc...it never ends till you put a stop to it.

Ok. So the def. common practice caused you to boycott samsung products...
I see.
To he honest, I never paid attention to the rewards points. For me, the most important thing is the device itself, the design, the features, how advanced it is. I guess like Apple who never gave you any reward points will never piss you off

Me too for many reasons... Reason 1 is the delayed updates... RiP Samsung

DemGer said:
Me too for many reasons... Reason 1 is the delayed updates... RiP Samsung
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Wow. I guess Samsung will change their strategy. Too many people leaving.

DemGer said:
Me too for many reasons... Reason 1 is the delayed updates... RiP Samsung
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I got Oreo a week after the S8. Which came out like 6 months before. Of course they wouldn't release Oreo before the S9 came out. What delay?

A few points:
The interest earned current in bank accounts is miniscule. Credit card interest in my case is moot since I pay none.
It is not common practice to be so evasive informing customers that there are changes happening to loyalty programs. I've had loyalty points prorated when points were devalued. How far do you have to drill down at Samsungs Rewards website to find any mention of points expiring?
Samsung Customer Service promised many calls and emails that simply did not happen.
I have Samsung TVs, Washer, Dryer, Microwave, Refrigerator, Phones, and more. All purchased within the last 2 years with well over $15k spent.
It is not really about the money or the product, it is about how I'm being treated. I wasn't happy about how I was treated with the Note 7 either.
Samsung Pay capability and the $200 price reduction were by far the driving force behind my purchase of the Note 8. Samsung Pay is becoming less desirable since it works at fewer and fewer places as Apple Pay becomes more popular. My phone does not work wherever Apple Pay does (newer POS machines). I have talked to Samsung many times about this with zero results. The $200 rebate has changed now also. I am paying more for less.
Samsung expects me to return, and do without a phone for weeks, if I have a warranty issue. Even if the phone is only days old. This is just another detail that is not well communicated by Samsung.
I could go on and on about features promised but not available. So, my decision is about the cumulative disrespect shown by the "grown too large" Samsung.
Sure, it's a nice phone. But is it that much nicer than the competition if it doesn't have Samsung Pay and cost $100+ more? Why should I buy Samsung? Not price, not service, and the competition is close with other Android phones and I expect to be even closer as time goes on.

Well, clearly you made a big mistake when you bought a note series phone, this device is meant for those who find the s pen and all its functions the number 1 reason to buy it, if this unique characteristic was not the compelling reason to buy a note series device, then an iphone would have been a more useful option for you, as you said that you find more and more apple pay sites and less and less samsung pay sites, at least where you live or work or travel

I'm sorry but I am sure the rewards points expiring ins in the ToS agreement. You know that lil fine print everyone just checks I agree without reading. So it's on you and not them.
As far as updates it seems all phone makers and carriers drags their feet on updates. As they all love to put their little stuff in there over base android. If you want timely updates with android. You need to use a Google phone. I like samsung phones even with the note 7 fiasco. I started with moto original droid phone and moved to HTC but the phones went downhill over time.
I have used apple devices but found them lackluster at best. Not saying it's a bad phone as I suggest them to people that wants a phone that's simple to operate. All phones has their drawbacks
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