Fix for USB Mass Storage... - Touch CDMA Android Development

I've recently installed Android to NAND and was looking for a way to mount the sdcard as a usb mass storage device in windows from within Android. I came across an interesting widget on the Android market called "Dual Mount SD Widget":
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-protocol-usb-jBAw.aspx
So I downloaded and installed it to see if it really works... well, IT DOES!
I used voguimg-320x480-17-02-10.nbh and Plemens Android Feb 8th build.
Here's what I did.
1. Download widget. Install. Add to Android desktop.
2. Tap on it. It will say "SD Split"
3. Plug in USB cord to the phone.
4. Notification area says "USB Connected". Don't do anything (ie. Mount it).... Instead, wait about 30secs to a minute.
5. Vista pops up the default actions window for the sdcard. My Computer also lists the sdcard as a removable drive.
I've transferred files back and forth with no problem. Not only that, Astro can see the SD card contents as well at the same time.
Now, the interesting part is that the description for the widget says:
"This widget Modifies a setting that will allow you to mount your SD card to your phone and PC/Radio/ect at the same time."
I'm wondering what setting was modified and if it is possible to build this in so that we don't need to use the widget anymore.

ckl_88 said:
I've recently installed Android to NAND and was looking for a way to mount the sdcard as a usb mass storage device in windows from within Android. I came across an interesting widget on the Android market called "Dual Mount SD Widget":
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-protocol-usb-jBAw.aspx
So I downloaded and installed it to see if it really works... well, IT DOES!
I used voguimg-320x480-17-02-10.nbh and Plemens Android Feb 8th build.
Here's what I did.
1. Download widget. Install. Add to Android desktop.
2. Tap on it. It will say "SD Split"
3. Plug in USB cord to the phone.
4. Notification area says "USB Connected". Don't do anything (ie. Mount it).... Instead, wait about 30secs to a minute.
5. Vista pops up the default actions window for the sdcard. My Computer also lists the sdcard as a removable drive.
I've transferred files back and forth with no problem. Not only that, Astro can see the SD card contents as well at the same time.
Now, the interesting part is that the description for the widget says:
"This widget Modifies a setting that will allow you to mount your SD card to your phone and PC/Radio/ect at the same time."
I'm wondering what setting was modified and if it is possible to build this in so that we don't need to use the widget anymore.
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GREAT find! I am testing right now...
EDIT: Works excellent! It doesn't seem to be in the market for me...maybe because qvga, but I found it online.
I'm running:
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
ADB Drivers installed by PDANet (not that it affects the SD mount)
Sourceforge 2-14-10 NBH (240x320)
Myn's Warm Donut with Hero theme.
This is awesome!
EDIT2: I can also run ADB/tether with PDANet and use mass storage simultaneously.

This is Fantastic!! It works. Great find man. didnt find it on the market but i did find it on the net. im using version 1.6
EDIT: you should take off the "possible" from your title as it is a perfect fix

Working perfect with Myn's Warm Donut + Windows 7 64 bit. Thanks for the tip!

Definitely works! (Using Ubuntu Karmic)
I was only able to find version 1.0 on the net - couldn't find it on the market.

ckl_88 said:
I've recently installed Android to NAND and was looking for a way to mount the sdcard as a usb mass storage device in windows from within Android. I came across an interesting widget on the Android market called "Dual Mount SD Widget":
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-protocol-usb-jBAw.aspx
So I downloaded and installed it to see if it really works... well, IT DOES!
I used voguimg-320x480-17-02-10.nbh and Plemens Android Feb 8th build.
Here's what I did.
1. Download widget. Install. Add to Android desktop.
2. Tap on it. It will say "SD Split"
3. Plug in USB cord to the phone.
4. Notification area says "USB Connected". Don't do anything (ie. Mount it).... Instead, wait about 30secs to a minute.
5. Vista pops up the default actions window for the sdcard. My Computer also lists the sdcard as a removable drive.
I've transferred files back and forth with no problem. Not only that, Astro can see the SD card contents as well at the same time.
Now, the interesting part is that the description for the widget says:
"This widget Modifies a setting that will allow you to mount your SD card to your phone and PC/Radio/ect at the same time."
I'm wondering what setting was modified and if it is possible to build this in so that we don't need to use the widget anymore.
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How do you get it on the phone? Then how do you install it? All I have is a .apk file...what do I do with it? Vista does not recognize my phone, and I do not have a card reader. Thanks.

$1 in market. works great.

crobs808 said:
How do you get it on the phone? Then how do you install it? All I have is a .apk file...what do I do with it? Vista does not recognize my phone, and I do not have a card reader. Thanks.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5579322&postcount=14

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttt Luv it luv it and luv it some more...

Man do us a favor and pl take off "Possible" from the title. This is THE fix.

Could you remind me why it's not possible without this app? is it a kernel or user space issue?
A long time ago, dzo told us that this could be solved when nand boot would be ready. Now, that's ready, what avoid solving this problem?

How fast is USB Mass Storage with the Vogue? Does anyone remember the transfer speeds it's rated for?
I'm using a class 6 MicroSD so I guess the card reader method will still be faster for me?

osilvan said:
Could you remind me why it's not possible without this app? is it a kernel or user space issue?
A long time ago, dzo told us that this could be solved when nand boot would be ready. Now, that's ready, what avoid solving this problem?
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as I recall the notion was that running from nand would allow us the option of dismounting the sd card from the system so it could be used by USB mass storage. currently, nand still uses a cache on the sd card, so this is not yet possible.
this program allows both the system and the usb mass storage to access the sd card at the same time. I'm sure if someone cared enough to backwards engineer this we could incorporate something similar. however, why bother when there is a perfectly usable program already.

So this won't work using ext2 or fat for haret users I assume?

myn said:
So this won't work using ext2 or fat for haret users I assume?
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I'm running haret on a partitioned card (fat 32 and ext2) and it works great for me - just tested it.

berardi said:
How fast is USB Mass Storage with the Vogue? Does anyone remember the transfer speeds it's rated for?
I'm using a class 6 MicroSD so I guess the card reader method will still be faster for me?
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~500kb write and ~800kb read (with class 4) results may vary

slapadabass said:
I'm running haret on a partitioned card (fat 32 and ext2) and it works great for me - just tested it.
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I confirm this also, running fat32 and 2 512Mb ext2 partitions. this is very handy. I found the 1.65 version doing a Google search, and that is what I have tested.

I would love to find out what this widget is doing so we can add the functionality to the base roms. I haven't had a close look at this yet but does anybody know exactly what it's doing?

jamezelle said:
~500kb write and ~800kb read (with class 4) results may vary
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that if your SD card is class 4, this will still be grossly slower than simply taking the card out and using a card reader, no? 800 kb vs 4 mb / sec? or do I have the figures wrong... For small files this is convenient but for large amounts of music files etc it probably is less practical - granted not eveyone has a card reader

berardi said:
So correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that if your SD card is class 4, this will still be grossly slower than simply taking the card out and using a card reader, no? 800 kb vs 4 mb / sec? or do I have the figures wrong... For small files this is convenient but for large amounts of music files etc it probably is less practical - granted not eveyone has a card reader
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Right - unless you're running off SD card and can't take your SD card out . . .

Related

SD Card issues/questions

Is that the limitations of the hardware? or is that the largest stable SDHC Micro card out so far?
I've run a search for Micro SDHC and while I have come up with links to items as high as 16 (or 12) I get a lot more hits for 8...
I hope its not a hardware limitation.
Also...they should've given the phone 1GB at least of internal storage....oh well.
the g1 support microSD™ memory card (SD 2.0 compatible)
and that mean that it could support 32gb
but the 16gb card was just released and there hasn't been much testing on it
it is just safer to say "up to 8gb"
but the g1 comes with a 1gb microsd card
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/detail.aspx?tp=tb1&device=d2c92ac2-bccf-4343-9f9e-d008d0ec10b9
Yeah it'll be up to 32GB after they're released
good that's what I thought...up to 8GB made no sense as a pure limit.
At launch, the G1 will in fact work with 'up to' 8gb microSD cards. This will change with the 1st firmware update, at which point higher capacity cards will work.
FYI -- an excellent source of Android, and G1, info are the forums at http://www.androidcommunity.com
Is it possible to install programs straight to the card
cause if not whats the point of an sd card
71mb will be eaten up really quick
Dirtay said:
cause if not whats the point of an sd card
71mb will be eaten up really quick
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Nope, it's not possible
maybe?
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f41/running-apps-from-memory-card-dont-panic-2895/
read...
can't read, banned (long story) what's the gist?
Pasted from the link above:
rogers said:
Default Running apps from memory card - Dont Panic!
Alright, there have been plenty of panic threads about applications only downloading to the phone. Stop it! Applications WILL be able to be installed to the SDcard! There have been rumors cited that Google will add that option to the OS, and even if they don't we are running on a linux kernel, and apparently can use a terminal. The fix would be simple.
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The commands below are NOT TO BE RUN on your phone. I will not have my hands on the phone until Tuesday, if you feel like doing this before then you need to do some exploration first to figure out the proper directories to move over to the SDcard. This is just what you would do in any linux based system.
Say you find out the bulk of your apps are in:
/usr/local/apps/
So you have like
/usr/local/apps/breadcrumbz.apk
/usr/local/apps/opera.apk
/usr/local/apps/...
You would just open up the terminal (which I've heard alot about and am very excited about having linux shell access on my phone!) and enter...
~ $ mv /usr/local/apps /sdcard/
~ $ mount --bind /sdcard/apps /usr/local/apps
~ $ echo /sdcard/apps /usr/local/apps bind defaults 0 0 >> /etc/fstab
And BAM you just moved all your apps to the storage card and set it up so that whenever android accesses or writes to /usr/local/apps it's writing to the storage card. The power of linux haha.
This is NOTHING to be worried about.
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punkzanyj said:
can't read, banned (long story) what's the gist?
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How could you 'not read' posts there? You don't have to be registered to access the site, only to post.
Folder layout of the memory card
I fought this over and over until I formatted my storage card IN the phone, via the computer.
I wanted my music to show up in the music player but not my ringtones or alerts.
After doing some searching, this is what I found:
>Connect the usb cable to the phone, and switch the phone to usb storage
>The computer will find a removable storage device. Format it. (I did a quick format, fat32)
>when finished, make the following folders:
-music
-ringtones
-notifications
-alarms
From the tmobile online guide:
• ringtones - Music files copied to the “ringtones” folder will display in the phone (incoming call) ringtone menu.
• notifications - Music files copied to the “notifications” folder will display in the notifications ringtone menu.
• alarms - Music files copied to the “alarms” folder will display in the Alarm ringtone menu.
gospeed.racer said:
I fought this over and over until I formatted my storage card IN the phone, via the computer.
I wanted my music to show up in the music player but not my ringtones or alerts.
After doing some searching, this is what I found:
>Connect the usb cable to the phone, and switch the phone to usb storage
>The computer will find a removable storage device. Format it. (I did a quick format, fat32)
>when finished, make the following folders:
-music
-ringtones
-notifications
-alarms
From the tmobile online guide:
• ringtones - Music files copied to the “ringtones” folder will display in the phone (incoming call) ringtone menu.
• notifications - Music files copied to the “notifications” folder will display in the notifications ringtone menu.
• alarms - Music files copied to the “alarms” folder will display in the Alarm ringtone menu.
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I created the folders you suggested and I'm still struggling with this. My ringtones still do not show up in the ringtone list. I have to go find the song in music and long press and set as default ring.
I was having that same problem before formatting, about half of the ringtones would not show up correctly. After I formatted the card and set up the new layout they all are showing up now. If set up this way, you should not even see the music thats in the ringtone folder unless you are setting a ringtone.
Connect the usb cable to the phone, and switch the phone to usb storage
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How do you switch the phone to USB storage??
Mikey1022 said:
How do you switch the phone to USB storage??
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menu - settings - SD card & phone storage -
Use for USB storage (check that box)
also note when you are in the storage mode and connected to a computer you will not be able to see or use the documents on the card, the phone wont see them
punkzanyj said:
can't read, banned (long story) what's the gist?
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How do you get banned on that site?? lol *If you wanna explain do it in OM*
Maybe i should my eye on you then.
ok i am so confused right now the 1gb card that came with the phone was in my phone checked that usb stoarge thing formated my card and made those folders put ringtones in there noghting happend i puled my 2gb card from my wing and put it in my computer to remove things hat were on would not let me delete any thing had to put in my phone to delete dose that mean its formated to my phone
SD/USB/etc.
ok...
the folders work, use lowercase when making them.
for your computer to see the card you have to check the "USB storage button" do whatever you want to do (folders, copies, whatever)
UNCHECK the USB box for the phone to use the SD card...
it is a toggle we live with at the moment.
--M

[Q] Questions about Honeycomb on a 16GB SD

I was just trying out Honeycomb and found some weird issues.
First and most disturbing question is, Why is my 16GB SD card now recognized as 128 MB SD card in everything I put it in? Is there a fix for this? I would love to have the full 16 GB accessible since being able to dual boot would be the best of both worlds.
I can now do ADB which I could not do before but now I cannot access the Nook through USB. With a Autonootered 1.1 it was the opposite. <--not really a question.
Also, when if every will there be a full Android Market? With Autonootered 1.1 it was extreamly limited and would only show the top 10 results even when it said there were about 150 or so results. With Honeycomb it shows all of the results the Market says it found. There are still a lot of apps missing from the market. I only see free ones. Some of my other research found that the full market is only available to phones with 3g or only certain phones.
Thanks in advance.
You need to reformat your sd. Do it using another android phone or do it in a pc. Reformat to the full size. There are two cwr flashes, a big one and a small one. It sounds like you used the smaller one
Sent from one of those missing Droids
Found the question on about page 95 (posted by Breakthecycle2) and found a cryptic answer on page 99 (by donhu) of the Honeycomb preview image thread.
Here is a boiled down guide
Download EASEUS Partion Manager
Install it and open it
With the SD card in your computer it should show up along with your computer's HD.
Select the SD card. You will see all of the partitions of the SD card.
What you want to do is to select the SD Card partition
Right click and select resize/move then drag the right hand side to make it as big as you want.
This shows up as SD card on the File manager and you can now use it to store what you want.
Hope this helped

Why android dont have drive install choise?

Well I mean... even symbian have an option if you want to install on C or D if you know what I mean. why Android dont have this option when installing new app? why is this so complicated? is there a reason?
The idea is that these are "post-PC" devices. Choosing which drive to put it on is an implementation decision. Post-PC devices try not to have the user worry about implementation and just take care of it. Notice the complete lack of a file explorer in the OS.
In practice this is still a little shaky. Android has allowed you to install apps to an external drive since 2.2, but at the time manufacturers weren't including mass storage chips on the phone, and relied exclusively on SD cards for media storage. The Galaxy S line changed that, and the Optimus 2X takes some cues from that by having a large amount of storage built into the device (the Nexus S doesn't even have external storage). The only place to mount that and have it show up properly when you connect to a PC is /mnt/sdcard/ (/sdcard/ is just a symlink). Some apps are able to recognize when there are multiple mass storage cards available, but most still assume just the SD card.
thanks for answer, its like linux the mnt folder. I hope it gets better
What do you mean hope it gets better?
i guess he means this ^^
keyboardr said:
Some apps are able to recognize when there are multiple mass storage cards available, but most still assume just the SD card.
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SD card... NO Option to use it as INTERNAL storage

Like mention on the title..
bought a Sandisc 128 GB Micro Sd card and there is NO other option other than just " format" ...
i am pretty sure that Android DOES support that feature since MM .....
so does this have to do with Nokia/HMD or am i missing something?
Thorgoth said:
Like mention on the title..
bought a Sandisc 128 GB Micro Sd card and there is NO other option other than just " format" ...
i am pretty sure that Android DOES support that feature since MM .....
so does this have to do with Nokia/HMD or am i missing something?
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This is most likely due to Google as they instruct manufacturers not to include it (in the ui) in a higher capacity devices (32gb or more).
At least that is what I gathered when I was looking for a way to get nokia 8 to format ext-sd card with a file system that supports over 4gb files.
Most likely you can enable it similarly like they managed to do so with the Samsung galaxy s7, and it didn't even require root access.
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hinuk said:
This is most likely due to Google as they instruct manufacturers not to include it (in the ui) in a higher capacity devices (32gb or more).
At least that is what I gathered when I was looking for a way to get nokia 8 to format ext-sd card with a file system that supports over 4gb files.
Most likely you can enable it similarly like they managed to do so with the Samsung galaxy s7, and it didn't even require root access.
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Mind sharing the way the did it???
Thorgoth said:
Mind sharing the way the did it???
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https://www.google.fi/amp/s/www.xda...ptable-storage-for-galaxy-s7-and-s7-edge/amp/
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i thing there is an option when using a file manager, just like it shows from here
https://fossbytes.com/android-sd-card-internal-storage-adoptable-storage/
Here are the steps to adopt your SD card:
Put the SD card inside your Android phone and wait for it to get detected.
Now, open Settings.
Scroll down and go to the Storage section.
Tap the name of your SD card.
Tap the three vertical dots on the top right corner of the screen.
Tap Storage Settings.
Choose format as internal option.
On next screen, you have the final chance to decide whether you want to change your mind. Tap Erase & Format if you want to format your SD card as internal storage.
Paladin987 said:
i thing there is an option when using a file manager, just like it shows from here
https://fossbytes.com/android-sd-card-internal-storage-adoptable-storage/
Here are the steps to adopt your SD card:
Put the SD card inside your Android phone and wait for it to get detected.
Now, open Settings.
Scroll down and go to the Storage section.
Tap the name of your SD card.
Tap the three vertical dots on the top right corner of the screen.
Tap Storage Settings.
Choose format as internal option.
On next screen, you have the final chance to decide whether you want to change your mind. Tap Erase & Format if you want to format your SD card as internal storage.
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This is disabled on the Nokia 8. It defaults to portable and there are no other options.
sheik124 said:
This is disabled on the Nokia 8. It defaults to portable and there are no other options.
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Oh, didn't know that... Still i dont have the phone to try it because i'm still waiting for the phone to arrive in Cyprus !
I have added a 32GB SD card into my Nokia 8, and now whenever I restart it, I get the SD card icon in the notification area. It's a small niggle, but anyone know how to stop this happening?
"The message is: Samsung SD card
For transferring photos and media"
I know this though, and I don't need to be told every time I start the phone...
The reason I feel SD card can't be used as internal memo is due to the fact that it cannot be formatted as exfat or NTFS. There's a separate thread on that.
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something new?
hello can you help me please someone knows if the method indicated by hinuk works because as far as I require root because the memory encrypts it in EXT4 format
link for galaxy 7
https://www.xda-developers.com/enable-adoptable-storage-for-galaxy-s7-and-s7-edge/
Wish I'd read your post before I wasted £30 on an ad card that will only format as portable. The phone user guide certainly promotes and says it can be formatted as either. What's the point of portable storage I wonder?
Oh, don't you hate it!!
Just bought Nokia 8, only to find I cannot move all my apps to the SD card to free up the internal memory. What a total waste of money, even at 64gb it is still an option I require. Also I was stunned to find that contrary to all the specifications I had read from various sources, I ended up with a single sim version when I wanted a dual sim version. Darn, I think I'll get rid of it and get a phone that does everything I want it to do.... a pox on you Nokia and Google too!!!
Using ADB to get adoptable storage?
I tried using the method shown for getting adoptable storage on the Galaxy s7. I connected to my Nokia 8 using ADB, I found the name of the SD card I'd inserted into my phone, and then I ran "sm partition disk:179,0 private" and received the following error message: "java.lang.IllegalStateException: command '16 volume partition disk:179,0 private' failed with '400 16 Command failed'" I found another post which said that in order to run this command on Android Oreo, I first had to run "sm set-force-adoptable-storage true", however when I tried this, I received the error message: "java.lang.IllegalStateException: Adoptable storage not available on device with native FBE".
Does anyone know if there is a way around this? I haven't been able to find anything else which might allow me to use my Nokia 8 with adoptable storage.
Smudger40 said:
I have added a 32GB SD card into my Nokia 8, and now whenever I restart it, I get the SD card icon in the notification area. It's a small niggle, but anyone know how to stop this happening?
"The message is: Samsung SD card
For transferring photos and media"
I know this though, and I don't need to be told every time I start the phone...
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mine just stopped doing it of its own accord for some reason.

Auto install app from SD card

Hello,
I would like to know how I can make an app on my sd card...for example...es file manager...to automatically install itself onto a android tablet once inserted into the tablets sd card slot. I think scripting may be involved but I'm not sure. I have done nothing.
Thanks
Titanium backup should be able to run a Tasker app command..
haven't tried it though
Tasker
Thanks for your reply.
I'm wondering if is possible for an app to auto install without piggy backing on another app.
Riley32334 said:
Thanks for your reply.
I'm wondering if is possible for an app to auto install without piggy backing on another app.
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i believe you mean this?
but i can't remember exactly how i enabled that if what you're asking..
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Not quite. The Titanium backup will be necessary on the other device as well in order for an application to auto-run itself.
I am more interested in learning how to make apps I download to a chip auto install itself once I insert that chip into another device. Something like what a CD does when you put it into a computer.
Is this even possible?
Riley32334 said:
Hello,
I would like to know how I can make an app on my sd card...for example...es file manager...to automatically install itself onto a android tablet once inserted into the tablets sd card slot. I think scripting may be involved but I'm not sure. I have done nothing.
Thanks
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Please explain why you want to do this. Some context will help us give you a suitable answer.
Context
I bought this very cheap off-brand Android OS tablet off FB sales and it is limited to its pre-installed games. I can't do anything in the settings menu except view/uninstall the pre-installed apps and set the clock. This tablet doesn't have any USB ports, but it does have a micro SD card reader, headphone jack, and DC charging port. The card reader reads and plays (through the factory installed media player app) mp3 files and mp4 files on any micro SD card I place in it. I tried placing a micro SD card with other file formats (apk/pdf/epub) on it but nothing happens besides a notification saying, "SD card mounted." I am looking for a method that will have any APK ( specifically a file explorer app) on a micro SD card I insert auto-install or at least have the "install" dialog box pop up in order to expand the capabilities of this crappy tablet. Thank you for any and all assistance.
Riley32334 said:
I bought this very cheap off-brand Android OS tablet off FB sales and it is limited to its pre-installed games. I can't do anything in the settings menu except view/uninstall the pre-installed apps and set the clock. This tablet doesn't have any USB ports, but it does have a micro SD card reader, headphone jack, and DC charging port. The card reader reads and plays (through the factory installed media player app) mp3 files and mp4 files on any micro SD card I place in it. I tried placing a micro SD card with other file formats (apk/pdf/epub) on it but nothing happens besides a notification saying, "SD card mounted." I am looking for a method that will have any APK ( specifically a file explorer app) on a micro SD card I insert auto-install or at least have the "install" dialog box pop up in order to expand the capabilities of this crappy tablet. Thank you for any and all assistance.
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Okay, thanks for the explanation. I can tell you now, without any doubt whatsoever, that you cannot do what you're asking. You hit the nail on the head when you called it a "crappy tablet".
Without USB you're left with no options other than to install what it already allows you to install. Honestly, I'd say ditch it and get another cheap tablet, but make sure it just has regular Android on it and is not locked down.
Crap
Thanks for the information. I love saving a buck or two. I was really hoping to put movies, music, and apps on there for my daughter. I thought for sure I could get file manager on there some way.
Thanks again

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