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Kaiser GPS Enhancement Guide...

I see a lot of people with GPS problems these days & most of them have to do with not getting a fast enough satelite fix. There are several things you can & should do to enhance you Kaiser & it's GPS capabilities.
Firstly, use HTC's QuickGPS. Your device has to locate, communicate with & track numerous navigation satelites to get a fix that can be used by your navigation software of choice. Typically your device will need this information from 3 - 5 satelites, however there can be as many as 14. Each Satelite has Almanac information, this information contains suck as the current location, speed & Orbitital Patterns. This is where QuickGPS comes in. QuickGPS downloads this almanc information from servers & helps to guide your device the most appropriate satelites in your area. downloading the QuickGPS data at least once a week is key to maintaining quick satelite locks with your device.
Second, I see a lot of people using the HCT GPS Tool from the Polaris. WHY? Sure it can help to jump start your GPS, but there are other more functional programs out there that accomplish the same thing & much more.
Enter GPSGate! GPSGate is a light weight GPS utility that can be installed on a storage card & I could not live without. It is easy to use, it configures itself, it WILL jumpstart your GPS & allows you to do some amazing things otherwise impossible. GPSGate is a semi-commercial software developed by Franson. A trial version is free to download & the only difference between the free & the pay version is that the pay version allows you to Connect to GpsGate Server or GpsGate.com for sharing or logging over the Internet. GPSGate will help speed things up for you & also do many other things. Whenever you launch GPSGate, you GPS chip is immediately initialized & goes to work. Starting GPSGate before your navigation software or selecting the auto-start function gets your device working on connecting to the satelites NOW!
Ever tried running TomTom & Live Search at the same time? Usually it won't work & sometimes will freeze your device. Not when you use GPSGate. GPSGate will not only start your GPS faster, but it will also let you share the Kaiser GPS among several applications all at once.
GPSGate will let you use external GPS devices with your Kaiser & it will also allow you to use your Kaiser as a GPS receiver for other devices such as laptops, over A/S or Bluetooth connections. In fact, you can share the Kaiser's GPS over a network, ActiveSync, Bluetooth or HTTP. It will also allow you to Multiplex and split NMEA streams. GPSGate will communicate fast & flawlessly with a simultaneous multitude of programs. It will also allow you to start & stop your GPS Session on the fly.
I use TomTom, but I frequently use Live Search at the same time because POI's are always changing & new ones are added. Live Search is much better @ finding New things like restraunts & allows me to add them into my contacts & then select them thru TomTom all without having to start & stop each program allowing me to keep my focus on the road where it belongs.
Just download & install the cab, launch the program, follow the 2-steps on the screen & you're done.
Most of the important functionality is intact without licensing, (I think everything except the server based tracking & logging)
Overview:
Share your position online using GpsGate.com
Track your friends on a map, see a remote person in Google Earth and more...
Connecting Google Earth to GpsGate!
Display your GPS position in Google Earth.
Connecting Google Maps to GpsGate!
Display your GPS position in Google Maps.
Sharing GPS data over a network and between computers
How to share GPS data using TCP/IP, UDP, Bluetooth or COM ports.
NMEA Multiplexer - combine multiple inputs
How to merge and split several NMEA channels.
Run GpsGate as a Service
How to set up GpsGate to run as a NT service.
How to run multiple instances of GpsGate, close input when no output is used, block writing and reading, and more...
NO, I do NOT work for or endorse Franson! I just really find this program helpful & very useful.
GPSGate: http://rapidshare.com/files/95732296/GPSGate.rar
QuickGPS: http://rapidshare.com/files/69959229/HTC_QuickGPS.CAB

spent this whole time talking about GPSGATE but dont even post a way to find more info or even get it......

ChInEsE ChIcKeN said:
spent this whole time talking about GPSGATE but dont even post a way to find more info or even get it......
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LOL are you serious....thanks I needed this
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=GPSgate&btnG=Google+Search
Not that hard to find.
Google is your friend

I don't understand why this is useful. The GPS is already sharable in the Kaiser. I've run multiple GPS apps at the same time with no problems. The only use for GPS gate that I can see is uploading your position to their server.

tdusen said:
I don't understand why this is useful. The GPS is already sharable in the Kaiser. I've run multiple GPS apps at the same time with no problems. The only use for GPS gate that I can see is uploading your position to their server.
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If you use iGuidance 4 and are using a 6.1 rom, GPSGate is not only useful, it is required in order for your map to update. Others have reported that GPSPROXY will also work, and it is free.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I have been playing with 6.1 ROMS for two weeks and was about to give up because I could not get GPS to work properly (yes I tried everything that was recommended!) I was about to give up and revert back to a 6 ROM... and like a pheonix from the ashes I saw your post. Franson GpsGate did the trick. My GPS is working better than ever, heck my phone is working better than ever, many thanks to Sleuth and to you for fixing that last very frustrating and important glitch.

crispyj said:
If you use iGuidance 4 and are using a 6.1 rom, GPSGate is not only useful, it is required in order for your map to update. Others have reported that GPSPROXY will also work, and it is free.
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Then I'm just lucky I guess. I'm running 6.1 and I have Beeline GPS, TomTom and Live Search all running just fine. No GPS Gate or GPSProxy loaded.

tdusen said:
Then I'm just lucky I guess. I'm running 6.1 and I have Beeline GPS, TomTom and Live Search all running just fine. No GPS Gate or GPSProxy loaded.
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Yes you are lucky. Many Tilt users are, but for the unfortunate, for what ever reason, we have GPS issues and this solved it at least for me. But I am curious... if you GPS is operating so wonderfully... why are you in this thread?

the same reason I am in here probably, to see what everyone is talking about and to see what kinds of GPS issues are out there that people are having. I know mine is working just fine but still checking out what is going on in case I run in to issues or see someone with issues that I might be able to help out or point them to this thread.

I read every GPS thread. I'm always on the look out for some way to disable Static Navigation. So far, no luck.
My original post in this thread was to ask what does this software give me that I don't already have. The stock GPS is intended to be sharable. If it does work like it's supposed then no proxy software should be necessary.

GPS quality varies widely from one Tilt to the next...
I have 2 Tilts and I can tell you one of them gets almost instant GPS lock while the other one struggles to ever get a lock.
I'm awaiting a second warranty replacement from at&t as the first one they sent has crappy GPS also. I've already warned them that they will continue shipping me Tilts under warranty until I get a replacement that works as well as my 2nd Tilt does.
One thing I like about GPS Gate is the Tray Icon. It would be better if the tap & hold menu had an option to toggle the GPS on/off.
It is nice that you can also use it to provide GPS feed to your laptop if you have such a need.

tdusen said:
I read every GPS thread. I'm always on the look out for some way to disable Static Navigation. So far, no luck.
My original post in this thread was to ask what does this software give me that I don't already have. The stock GPS is intended to be sharable. If it does work like it's supposed then no proxy software should be necessary.
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More than anything I was bored & wanted to write (Got my replacement & had time to kill while Sec. Unlocking, Flashing, etc.), lol.
Really I'd see a lot of Noobies complaining about not being able to use multiple proggies & having issues giving gps a quick jump. This post was really just kinda intended for the noobie that doesn't have the skill or patience to set up multiple port connections for the GPS. With GPSGate they don't have to. It all wil run thru the same V-port without them having to do any changes manually. I find that using GPSGate there is NO DELAY in the new application receiving the GPS data. Before GPSGate, every time I switched programs my device would hang for a bit. I also noticed a lot of people using or including HTC GPS Tools in roms for a jump start of the GPS device, & I figured why not something more useful.
+ I know that while a lot of us know about these programs, not many new guys do & when I'm out & about, occasionally I like to use my laptop W/ Streets & trips because all my customer routes are in there. This way I can use it for navigation & construction updates on long drive days. Of course I know not everyone has a nerd mobile like my truck with a PPC & Laptop Mount cradle, lol...but you never know.

Do these proxies keep the GPS receiver running all the time? what does that do to battery life?

It does what you TELL IT to do. You can start or stop the GPS on the fly. OF COURSE if you leave the GPS running it will drain the battery faster. But it only keeps it on for as long as you keep it active. Using the proxy itself will not change the discharge rate of your battery to any noticable degree.
Search for Franson GPSGate. You can read your heart out about it.

What should you put the baud rate to?
I mean I would assume higher means better but since my kaiser takes 10 minutes to get a lock I haven't really bothered doing any proper comparisons.
In any case all I get for the ten-fifteen minutes I've had this running is "GPS data but no position, running ok"
(Pretty much like GPS Tool, it runs and shows a lot of sattelites but never gets a lock. It does once in a while but it seldom and it'll always take ~10 minutes)
I have run quick gps.
This is with a cooked rom and a new radio though.
With my stock rom/radio I got a lock within 2-3 minutes after starting tomtom.

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Really I'd see a lot of Noobies complaining about not being able to use multiple proggies & having issues giving gps a quick jump. This post was really just kinda intended for the noobie that doesn't have the skill or patience to set up multiple port connections for the GPS. With GPSGate they don't have to. It all wil run thru the same V-port without them having to do any changes manually. I find that using GPSGate there is NO DELAY in the new application receiving the GPS data. Before GPSGate, every time I switched programs my device would hang for a bit. I also noticed a lot of people using or including HTC GPS Tools in roms for a jump start of the GPS device, & I figured why not something more useful.
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GSLEON3,
Although my GPS works within much problems or 3rd party software so far, I do appreciate your post on this as it clearly is helpful at his point of the ROM development.

I too am having troubles with my GPS. I have only had my tilt for a week or so but I can't seem to get the GPS to work well enough to be truly useful.
I have GPS Gate installed and it sometimes gets a lock and sometimes it doesn't. I have tried both TomTom 6 and iNav v3 and v4 with and without GPS Gate. I can generally get a lock sitting still and sometimes I can get a lock moving but anytime I try to use the navigation to go anywhere it either looses its lock within 10 minutes OR it only is able to track 1-3 satellites and thus HORRIBLY inaccurate showing me tracking between 50 and 500 yards from my actual location (if there are side roads or streets it almost never has me on the correct road). I have tried changing the position of the device to get better reception with no change.
I have also tried several different ROMS with different radios with no change. Are there some settings in GPS gate that I need to change to get better performance or do I have a defective unit? Any help would be appreciated.

GSLEON3 said:
More than anything I was bored & wanted to write (Got my replacement & had time to kill while Sec. Unlocking, Flashing, etc.), lol.
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I'm glad you were bored to write this. I, for one, thinks its a good source of info and a possible set of solutions for GPS issues. I dont think you can have too much possible solutions, so thanks for posting this up!

thanks much for taking time to post valuable information. i for one am no noob to windows mobile, but am too GPS. so, i definitely am willing to check into anything that could possibly boost performance of any component. thanks again and it does help alot with the new tool. one question i have is about the virtual port driver. the message comes up and ask me to soft reset for the virtual port driver to be installed, so i do. when i run the tool again it does the same thing, to me, indicating the driver didnt install. i go into advanced options and check the status and it says my driver memory is low, please soft reset. any ideas and thanks again.

GPS working Better at higher baud
I have been experimenting with changing the settings for my GPS in GPSGate. I posted earlier that I was having trouble getting it to work reliably and that I would frequently loose lock and not be able to get it back.
Here is what I have found works best so far:
Radio: 1.64.08.21
COM: 4
BAUD: 57600
Emulating: COM 1
TomTom: COM 1 at 57600
I really don't know why this works better but I have been able to consistently HOLD a lock once I get one. I still have trouble with it sometimes taking a VERY long time acquire a lock but once I have one it is working well. I will post if I find anything that works better.
If anyone has insight on this or finds any better settings please post.

Looking for GPS program recommendations

I'm considering a GPS for the Tilt and am looking for some recommendations on what programs work well for some of you. However, I do not want one that uses ATT data since I'm wifi only have no use for the ATT data plan. On a side note I keep getting a message saying the current GPS software on the phone is out of date. This is the GPS software that came with the phone. How do I disable this and or remove the program to stop this annoying message. I unchecked tell me when software is out of date but I still get those damn messages.

The notification is from QuickGPS, which caches a small database of satellite position/orbit info to facilitate faster GPS fixes. Just run it and let it download the updated data.
Since you don't want a data plan, your only option is to pony up the money and buy something like TomTom or Garmin or another commercial, standalone navigation map.
Anything free like Google Maps or Live Search needs a data connection to push the map data, so unless you have your own mobile satellite wifi hotspot with you, you need one of the standalone commercial apps.

gwnorth said:
The notification is from QuickGPS, which caches a small database of satellite position/orbit info to facilitate faster GPS fixes. Just run it and let it download the updated data.
Since you don't want a data plan, your only option is to pony up the money and buy something like TomTom or Garmin or another commercial, standalone navigation map.
Anything free like Google Maps or Live Search needs a data connection to push the map data, so unless you have your own mobile satellite wifi hotspot with you, you need one of the standalone commercial apps.
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I think that you are advising him to:
1. connect to the internet and
2. download data
He has specifically said that he does not have a data plan - this means that every week (when the data goes out of date) he will pay a siginificant sum to get this data.
I agree that he will need to get TomTom (my recommendation) or some other simlar program. But without a data plan he should not download the Quick GPS data in my opinion.
Bill

Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.

FuSchnickens said:
Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.
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Tomtom (and the purchased NAV programs that do not use internet data) have no monthly fee (you will however have to pay to update your maps - probably yearly)
I do not know how to turn off that notification - possibly look at add/remove programs and remove quickGPS?
Bill

whk said:
I think that you are advising him to:
1. connect to the internet and
2. download data
He has specifically said that he does not have a data plan - this means that every week (when the data goes out of date) he will pay a siginificant sum to get this data.
I agree that he will need to get TomTom (my recommendation) or some other simlar program. But without a data plan he should not download the Quick GPS data in my opinion.
Bill
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So, your saying he cannot connect to the internet with wifi and downlad a simple little file?? Turn off auto updates in QuickGPS and just update it manually once a week when on wifi - what's so hard about that?

FuSchnickens said:
Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.
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Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.

TomTom can be installed just like any other application, with a cab file. But the Maps are usually huge which can be loaded onto a Storage card. There is no monthly fee or data requirements but the initial price maybe expensive. (Not quite sure on the last line )
Regards,
Carty..

even still he is going to need a data plan or it is going to take him dumb long to get a fix with out quick gps. Unless he uses his wifi every 6 days.

Don't know about anyone else but im in the habit of leaving my Kaiser connected to my main PC when im not using it so it's always synced and quickgps just downloads the data then.
On a note about which GPS software to recommend, i'd go for IGO8 over TomTom.
To me it just seems a lot slicker even over TomTom 7.
Of course it doesn't come with things like Mapshare (which I can't get working yet for TomTom 7 even after reading the threads) and i've yet to work out how to download TomTom POI's from pocketgpsworld and convert them for IGO8 but I love tinkering with it and finding out how to do things.

Igo is just for the UK right?

gwnorth said:
So, your saying he cannot connect to the internet with wifi and downlad a simple little file?? Turn off auto updates in QuickGPS and just update it manually once a week when on wifi - what's so hard about that?
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AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill

ChumleyEX said:
Igo is just for the UK right?
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nope, i have used it with US maps before. went back to TomTom.

whk said:
AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill
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In options, if you turn off auto-update and the reminder the data has expired, that should do it.
If he does like cotc2001 does and has it hooked up to a PC regularly, then leave the auto-download via Actice Sync checked to get regular updates when connected.

Tom Tom 6 and Google Maps Combination
If you're a newcomer or person who gravitate towards stability or functionality like me, you're better off with Tom Tom V6. It's extremely user friendly and very stable in most, if not all, cooked roms. Most other GPS softwares are not as functional, require tweaks and tricks to make it work, clash with other installed apps (ie HTC Home, etc). IGO 8, to me, is eye candy (similar to the eye-phone, lol), and a severe memory hog to the point it'll make your device reboot. The time it takes most people to get most GPS apps working correctly on their device might as well cook up several Diamond or Kaiser roms, lol, for that matter. Tom Tom V7 (I read) is good, but it's still relatively new and require tweaks as well. When it comes to GPS, it is, in my humble opinion, that a GPS app/software (PDA/PNA) should be stable, functional, user friendly, and more importantly it's RELIABLE. Believe that!!!.
If you want simple, clear cut, easy to read directions with/without voice, and stability ... Tom Tom 6 is the way to go and require no tweaking or editing of any kind like the others. I would also recommend the latest version Google Maps (require data plan) as well. It's a good combo and they compliment each other nicely.

gwnorth said:
Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.
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All the items in this path are unchecked. I'm still getting those stupid messages when I've told it not to notify me when updates are required.

whk said:
AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill
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I have NODATA installed and running on the phone so I've disabled all connections to ATT Data. This does prevent me from accidently getting data correct?

gwnorth said:
Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.
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That dams message popped up again. The following choices are under the above path and all 3 are unchecked.
1)Remind me when data expires
2)Auto download when data expires
3)Auto download when connected to PC via activesync
I repeat all 3 are unchecked. Why is this update message still terrorizing me?

FuSchnickens said:
That dams message popped up again. The following choices are under the above path and all 3 are unchecked.
1)Remind me when data expires
2)Auto download when data expires
3)Auto download when connected to PC via activesync
I repeat all 3 are unchecked. Why is this update message still terrorizing me?
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Not sure, my Tilt doesn't behave that way. Did you soft reset after unchecking them? The notifications is set by a registry key, so maybe it's not getting reset correctly?

After doing it I did turn it on & off ( soft reset). Can't I just uninstall this piece of &%$# quick gps? There's nothing listed for it under remove programs.

How Can I get GPS to work on my Tilt???

Ever since I flashed Dutty's diamond v9 GPS has been useless.
I've tried HTC GPS Tool and GPS test.....but they're not helping me.
GPS won't work in either google maps or Live Search.

klrob33 said:
Ever since I flashed Dutty's diamond v9 GPS has been useless.
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I don't believe Dutty Made it past v1 on the Diamond, LEO made a V9
klrob33 said:
I've tried HTC GPS Tool and GPS test.....but they're not helping me.
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How long are you waiting? Sometimes it takes 30 minutes for me to get a fix. But if I start one of those programs then drive home, I get a fix faster.
klrob33 said:
GPS won't work in either google maps or Live Search.
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Yeah, wait for it to get a lock in the other test programs, before trying to use the full blown Nav softwares.

Yeah. My mistake it's V1.
The most I've waited is 10/15 minutes. But It's really not even worth it for me to do that since that nullifies the convenience of having a phone with GPS.
Plus, how can I be sure that my phone has a GPS lock?

satellites will turn green if you are using htc_gps_tool
In addition, you should download the latest updates with quickgps as well before running those tools. I usually have to download quickgps, open gps tool with the appropriate settings, open tomtom then close tomtom, download quickgps again, open gps tool with appropriate settings again, then open tomtom to get a fix less than 5 seconds on a cold start. I got it down to a T.

redbandana said:
satellites will turn green if you are using htc_gps_tool
In addition, you should download the latest updates with quickgps as well before running those tools. I usually have to download quickgps, open gps tool with the appropriate settings, open tomtom then close tomtom, download quickgps again, open gps tool with appropriate settings again, then open tomtom to get a fix less than 5 seconds on a cold start. I got it down to a T.
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What's the difference between cold, warm, and hot start in GPS Tool?

klrob33 said:
What's the difference between cold, warm, and hot start in GPS Tool?
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no idea but I always start mine with com4 baud 4800 hot start

oh yeah forgot to tell you. If you are using gps tool do not hit the x button before you open your gps software because the program closes rather than minimizes, which defeats the purpose of using it to begin with.

I tried all those things.
I let GPS Tool run for about an hour and still never got a fix. Thanks for your help though.
If I go back to 6.0 would it work again?

let it run for a few minutes then open your gps software without closing gps tool. I don't think I can get a fix either without gps software being open.

klrob33 said:
I tried all those things.
I let GPS Tool run for about an hour and still never got a fix. Thanks for your help though.
If I go back to 6.0 would it work again?
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Bear in mind, GPS is an acronym for "Global positioning satellite" Key word there being SATELLITE, are you even going out side to try to get a signal? See, if you're in a big building, full of lead paint, there's no way to get a signal through that, try doing it again outside, in an open field, on a sunny day, and see if you have a different result.

Kaze0110 said:
Bear in mind, GPS is an acronym for "Global positioning satellite" Key word there being SATELLITE, are you even going out side to try to get a signal? See, if you're in a big building, full of lead paint, there's no way to get a signal through that, try doing it again outside, in an open field, on a sunny day, and see if you have a different result.
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Yeah. I'm not stupid. I know how it works.
If I can't get a fix sitting in my car then there's really no point. I only use it for driving directions.
This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.

klrob33 said:
Yeah. I'm not stupid. I know how it works.
If I can't get a fix sitting in my car then there's really no point. I only use it for driving directions.
This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.
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I really don't understand why you cannot get a fix using 6.1 roms. I offered all the advice I could give you. You said you use google maps, correct? If I open google maps on my device without gps being on It can still read my current position. This is just extremely odd...

klrob33 said:
Yeah. I'm not stupid. I know how it works.
If I can't get a fix sitting in my car then there's really no point. I only use it for driving directions.
This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.
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Why are you blaming HTC for this? You're not running an HTC ROM or even an AT&T ROM, you're running a ROM cooked up by somebody else and then blaming the manufacturer of the hardware for it. There are lot's of people with fully functional GPS on the Tilt.
You can go to the iPhone if you want, but keep in mind that there aren't any programs yet for the iPhone that give you turn by turn directions. You might have to wait a while for that brand spankin new iPhone to be able to use its GPS.

klrob33 said:
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This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.
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I have a TILT - You can see the ROM I am running in my signature line. I get a fix in less than a minute and use the TOMTOM ALL the time.
The ONLY problem I have on this ROM is that I have to push the power button twice to get the screen to come on. Other than that - EVERYTHING else works a treat.
Get the iphone if you want - but there are MANY things that it cannot do that you may miss.
Bill

klrob33 said:
Ever since I flashed Dutty's diamond v9 GPS has been useless.
I've tried HTC GPS Tool and GPS test.....but they're not helping me.
GPS won't work in either google maps or Live Search.
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What redio version are you using?
I've been running Dutty's Diamond V1 for about a week now and the GPS works for me. Depending on the radio your using it may take several minutes to get a GPS fix, but it does work for me and others.
I just flashed Radio 1.65.24.36 ( found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398177 ) and it takes several minutes to get a fix the first time after a soft reset, but after that it get a fix very fast.
Good luck... Let us know how it works our for you.

GPS in ATT Tilt

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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???
Did HTC or XDA devs publish a spec sheet? Did anyone ask this question before? Did Google develop the art of searching?

There's a LOT on this and if you only look at the specs, you'll know. In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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seriously...I means SERIOUSLY???? Have you ever looked at the back of your Tilt where it says GPS?? or did you never read specs on the tilt or are you unable to understand english??
LEARN TO SEARCH!!!

Durrr.....why am I hungry? It doesnt say anywhere on my body that its hungry.

Yes, the ATT Tilt has GPS
It does have a built-in GPS. This same issue threw me off at first too, until I figured it out..
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP. Actual Kaiser and TyTnII owners may already know about the GPS, but the ONLY part of the "AT&T Tilt" documentation referring to GPS is the brief mention of being able to get TeleNav. I know this because I have one. The specs/box mention that it has GPS, but that's all.
Now if I remember correctly, the GPS is COM3 or COM4 by default (unless you changed it in Start->Settings->System->External GPS). I changed mine to COM0 just for the hell of it, and it functions normally.
TomTom should work just fine, set it to 4800 baud, and try it with each COM port available in the options. It sometimes takes a few minutes for TomTom to display that the GPS is in "connected, but no valid signal yet" mode.
If you want to be able to use your Tilt's GPS as an external for some other device, the best thing I've found is GPSGate, but any COM-port splitter should work (as long as it presents a new Bluetooth and/or Serial service)
GPSGate is also useful since you can tell it to log your GPS data to any URL, à la those logging/who-stole-my-phone programs. It can also multiplex the GPS port for use by multiple programs (but I think that functionality is also built into WM and is called the "GPS Intermediate Driver", but I may be mistaken)
Hope this helps!
--Weasel

It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??

Well I didnt' come to this forum to get this kind of response...and no I have never looked at the back of my phone...I let others do my dirty work
Administrators ... delete my account ... please...

bartimeus said:
It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??
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Oh I only researched it for 2 months and played with a friend's phone for another month before buying...

weasel5i2 said:
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP.
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Thank you.......

kareem9nba said:
In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.
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...and this is all I wanted to know...

bigone5500, just keep a list of those who flame others and those who are helpful, then when and "IF" you decide to donate, check your list.....
this site is a very good place for great info, do not let those who's only purpose here is to belittle others run you off.....

GPS stopped working for my ATT TILT
my GPS was working fine. my tomtom was working fine, googlemaps was working fine. then all of a sudden a few weeks ago it just stopped working! usually i would use GPS test to get a working signal and then I would run tomtom and it would work. a few months ago it started to take a much longer time to acquire a valid gps signal (it would take a few to 5 minutes). but now it just doesnt find one at all! is there anything i could do to try to fix this? what com port should it be on? im thinking i mightve changed one of the settings unknowingly. please help!

Copilot

Just an FYI, but I've just driven down to the Costa Blanca in Spain from the UK, using Copilot as my navigation tool. It worked absolutely brilliantly - routing was flawless and accurate and because the Hero can multitask I was able to listen to audiobooks and make/receive phone calls, without any hiccups from Copilot.
The original plan was to use a Navman unit as the primary, with Copilot acting as backup, but the routing from Copilot gave me a route that was 3 hours shorter than Navman, and it proved to be eerily accurate on its estimate too!
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Just an FYI, but I've just driven down to the Costa Blanca in Spain from the UK, using Copilot as my navigation tool. It worked absolutely brilliantly - routing was flawless and accurate and because the Hero can multitask I was able to listen to audiobooks and make/receive phone calls, without any hiccups from Copilot.
The original plan was to use a Navman unit as the primary, with Copilot acting as backup, but the routing from Copilot gave me a route that was 3 hours shorter than Navman, and it proved to be eerily accurate on its estimate too!
Regards,
Dave
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Awesome, sounds like CoPilot worked like a charm for you

I have to say, I have been disappointed by co-pilot on android. It drops GPS fix all the time, taking ages to get it back unless you restart the app, usually at a crucial moment! It also freezes quite a lot. The general interface is awkward, just nowhere near as good as navigon and tomtom where on WM, since both are supposed to be releasing android versions I am holding out for them!

Ahhhhhh, but have you upgraded your ROM? This alone fixed the GPS dropping issues. to be honest I find it better than my TomTom due to the fact that it tracks speed cameras now as well.

tomfreay said:
I have to say, I have been disappointed by co-pilot on android. It drops GPS fix all the time, taking ages to get it back unless you restart the app, usually at a crucial moment! It also freezes quite a lot. The general interface is awkward, just nowhere near as good as navigon and tomtom where on WM, since both are supposed to be releasing android versions I am holding out for them!
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All I can say is that I didn't experience a single issue in 1100miles/20 hours of driving. I only have complaint about Copilot and that is that I wish it used the "standard" Android on-screen keyboard rather than its own, as their own isn't very good.
Regards,
Dave

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All I can say is that I didn't experience a single issue in 1100miles/20 hours of driving. I only have complaint about Copilot and that is that I wish it used the "standard" Android on-screen keyboard rather than its own, as their own isn't very good.
Regards,
Dave
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Yeah, it's not QWERT. Very irritating.

tomfreay said:
I have to say, I have been disappointed by co-pilot on android. It drops GPS fix all the time, taking ages to get it back unless you restart the app, usually at a crucial moment! It also freezes quite a lot. The general interface is awkward, just nowhere near as good as navigon and tomtom where on WM, since both are supposed to be releasing android versions I am holding out for them!
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CoPilot gets its GPS information from the android framework. If you're losing GPS location, your device is at fault, not copilot! copilot is just quick to accept from the framework that the location is not longer acceptable.

Anyone know what the update released today was for?

Hmm sounds like I need to see what's wrong with my gps then give copilot another go. I am on the new Rom.
The idea of tom tom iq routes does still excite me though

roakes said:
Anyone know what the update released today was for?
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Qwerty keyboard! Not sure what else.

I am a total convert from tomtom .. I really like CoPilot.. (except for the keyboard)..
I am not 100% happy with the routes it chooses by default but I do know that if I bother I can modify its route planning preferences.. so yeah .. great program and roll on a decent live trafiic addon..

after an irritating start with copilot8, i can now report that (for me) the nav program works pretty damn good. i agree that the keyboard blows compared to what it can be. otherwise, i have solid gps connectivity that has locked into decent accuracy and updates speedily. also, the nav map screen as well as option screens do the trick. tomtom on winmo was more streamlined but i have come to appreciate the depth of features available though settings. the recent email from user support is encouraging too. it reads...
"Dear CoPilot Live Customer,
We hope that you are enjoying finding your way with CoPilot Live v8 navigation on your smartphone.
Now we are pleased to announce a free new service to help you keep your CoPilot Live maps up-to-date:
ALK MapSure™ map updates.
CoPilot Live's digital street maps are continuously maintained and updated to include changes in the North American road network. With MapSure™ updates, we will provide these updates to you free of charge throughout the life of your product version.
Coming soon to your CoPilot Live
Free monthly map maintenance updates downloaded straight to CoPilot Live on your phone. These include emergency road closures, updates reported by users and other improvements.
Free quarterly full map updates. The very latest maps of North America will be available as a free download every quarter through CoPilot Central 2.0 desktop software, iTunes or Android Market.
45 day map update commitment. If you notice a road or an address that you believe needs updating, you can report it directly to us. We will verify the information, add it to our maps and distribute it to everyone through an update within 45 days.
Click here to report an update
We will also be issuing regular software improvements throughout the life of your software version in response to customer feedback. Depending on your phone, you'll be able to download these updates via CoPilot Central, The iPhone AppStore or Android Market."

Have to agree with the positive points above.
I was an old time Tomtom user (having used v3, v5 and v7 over the years) I reluctantly switched to Copilot through lack of other options on Android.
A few weeks of use (with several thousand miles travelled) and I have to say I am very impressed. I have to admit that I have had a few lockups, but no more than I used to get with TT7 on my Omnia. The 2 lockups I have experienced have happened after 2-3 hours of running, so could be caused by the phone overheating (or too many additional apps alonside) rather than Copilot freezing.
I ocassionally lose GPS, but this is VERY rare, and it quickly picks me up again and reroutes accordingly - again this used to happen with TT7 so its not fair to fault Copilot for this.
For the price (I paid around £50 for the whole of Europe!!!) I would happily say that Copilot is my favourite sat nav program to date.
Cheers
Zippyioa

Just a headsup for those who tried CoPilot Early and didn't like certain things, the latest update (398) has introduced a QWERTY keyboard similar to the HTC one but skinned for CoPilot. MUCH better and easier to use. and also the maps update tracking as posted above. Brilliant GPS solution...
Dayzee

Anyone tried Sygic Drive for Android yet?
I used it on my old Nokia a while ago and the iPhone App Video looks just awesome!

Hi!
Just a question regarding the maps for CoPilot. When you download them to your memory-card, are they locked somehow? Can I backup the maps to a different location, so that I can save them in case of format of memory card etc?
I read that you have a one-time-only download of the maps...so it's kinda nice to know that I'm not stuck if I loose them
And how about updates for map? With all the roadwork going on, it might already be outdated by now?
And if anyone have experience with CoPilot in Norway, it would be nice to know
/Thx

stuck on authorizing credit card
hi,
given all positive feedback, I decided to buy copilot. I am in belgium, so no paid apps in the market here. So I used market enabler... However, I am now stuck. The app is listed as purchased, but I fail to download it. It gets stuck saying "authorizing credit card". I am sure there is nothing wrong with my credit card tho. Any ideas?

dudeldei said:
Hi!
Just a question regarding the maps for CoPilot. When you download them to your memory-card, are they locked somehow? Can I backup the maps to a different location, so that I can save them in case of format of memory card etc?
I read that you have a one-time-only download of the maps...so it's kinda nice to know that I'm not stuck if I loose them
And how about updates for map? With all the roadwork going on, it might already be outdated by now?
And if anyone have experience with CoPilot in Norway, it would be nice to know
/Thx
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Why note e-mail the company that produces CoPilot, I'm sure they will answer a possible customer.

dudeldei said:
Hi!
Just a question regarding the maps for CoPilot. When you download them to your memory-card, are they locked somehow? Can I backup the maps to a different location, so that I can save them in case of format of memory card etc?
I read that you have a one-time-only download of the maps...so it's kinda nice to know that I'm not stuck if I loose them
And how about updates for map? With all the roadwork going on, it might already be outdated by now?
And if anyone have experience with CoPilot in Norway, it would be nice to know
/Thx
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Hadn't heard that one. But I do have a link for map downloads so I'm not worried about it.

dragonflyFZX said:
hi,
given all positive feedback, I decided to buy copilot. I am in belgium, so no paid apps in the market here. So I used market enabler... However, I am now stuck. The app is listed as purchased, but I fail to download it. It gets stuck saying "authorizing credit card". I am sure there is nothing wrong with my credit card tho. Any ideas?
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I had this problem as well, It's a Google Market problem.
It sorted itself in a few days, Which was not very good.